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XyZspineZyX
07-26-2003, 06:08 AM
Watching this show on the History channel about the P-51 Mustang they make it sound as though the Mustang saw action even before the U.S. entered the war. So my question is when did the very first Mustang see action? When did the Mustang we will see in FB first see action?

XyZspineZyX
07-26-2003, 06:08 AM
Watching this show on the History channel about the P-51 Mustang they make it sound as though the Mustang saw action even before the U.S. entered the war. So my question is when did the very first Mustang see action? When did the Mustang we will see in FB first see action?

XyZspineZyX
07-26-2003, 06:13 AM
US mustangs started escoring the bombers begining Januray 1944.
RAF used it earlier though, not sure which date.

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XyZspineZyX
07-26-2003, 06:43 AM
the RAF got the first mustangs in early 1942.(mustang MK I )
it was the first RAF fighter over germany in october 1942 ( Dortmund -Ems Kanal attack )

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Bavaria is one of the oldest European states.
It dates back to about 500 A.D., when the Roman Empire was overcome by the onslaught of Germanic tribes. According to a widespread theory, the Bavarian tribe had descended from the Romans who remained in the country, the original Celtic population and the Germanic invaders.

Bavarian History : http://www.bayern.de/Bayern/Information/geschichteE.html#kap0

XyZspineZyX
07-26-2003, 06:48 AM
The Mustang was designed for a British requested aircraft before Americas WW2 entry

"In April 1940 the British Air Purchasing Commission concluded with "Dutch" Kindelberger, Chairman of North American Aviation, an agreement for the design and development of a completely new fighter for the RAF.

Completed in 117 days (and then held up for six weeks by failure of Allison to deliver the engine) this silver prototype was the start of the most successful fighter programme in history.
The RAF received 620 Mustang I, 150 IA and 50 II, while the US Army adopted the type with 500 A-36A and 310 P-51A. In 1942 the brilliant airframe was matched with the Merlin engine, yielding the superb P-51B, bulged-hood C (Mustang III) and tear-drop canopied D (Mustang IV), later C and all D models having six 0.5 inch guns and a dorsal fin. The final models were the K (different propellor) and better-shaped, lighter H, the fastest of all at 487 mph. Total production was 15,586. Mustang and P51 variants variants served mainly in Europe, their prime mission being the almost incredible one of flying all the way from British bases to targets of the 8th AF deep in Germany - to Berlin or beyon - escorting heavy bombers and gradually establishing Allied air superiority over the heart of Germany.


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Message Edited on 07/26/0305:54AM by Heuristic_ALgor

XyZspineZyX
07-26-2003, 06:58 AM
The Mustang Mk I entered RAF squadron service in early 1942, and saw action that summer, the first kill (an FW-190A) scored during the Dieppe operation in August '42, by Hollis Hills of Burbank CA, while flying with the RCAF. Hills later transferred to the US Navy and became one of the first Hellcat aces. The Mustang I was powered by the Allison engine that also powered the P-39 and P-40, although even then, it was much faster and went a lot farther on a tank of gas. The visible difference was the carburator intake over the nose, with two .50 cal MGs mounted under the nose, and a .50 bracketed by two .303s on each wing. It's great speed and range made it a natural for low level reconnaisance, which is what the RAF primarily used it for, since performance dropped off considerably over 12-15,000 ft., like all unsupercharged Allison engined craft did.

The Merlin engined B and C models were developed shortly after the MK I became fully operational, the idea apparently occuring to people at Rolls Royce and North American at the same time.

Pictures of the British versions looked a lot like the P-40, and apparently the British instllation did not have the expected performance; North American, however, kept the belly intake scoop where it was, deepened it and put the the Merlin's updraft carburator intake just under the spinner, giving us the (trumpet fanfare) PLANE THAT WON THE WAR!!!

The first combat missions for the Merlin Mustang P-51B/C were flown in November of 1943, by the 356th Fighter Group, and the next group to get it was the 4th FG, in early March of '44.

"Here's your new Mustangs, boys. You can learn to fly'em on the way to the target. Cheers!" - LCOL Don Blakeslee, CO, 4th FG, March, 1944

XyZspineZyX
07-26-2003, 07:52 AM
The A-36 is another member of the Mustang's family history. Usually named Invader, it was also called Apache and Mustang. Like the early British Mustangs, it had an Allison engine, and was also equipped with dive brakes for bombing. Invaders were first used in combat on June 6, 1943 and were primarily used in Italy and Sicily. It was optimized for low alt. ground attack work, and was a poor high alt. fighter. There was at least one Invader ace, however.



Message Edited on 07/26/0302:50AM by xenios

XyZspineZyX
07-26-2003, 09:42 AM
One of the more famous early uses of the Mustang
(Mustang I, in RAF service) was as ground attack
during the Dieppe raid.

In theory the Mustang I had 2 .50s in the nose,
and 2 .50s and 4 .303s in the wings, but the nose
guns were often removed.