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Whirlin_merlin
06-19-2007, 04:13 AM
OK folks we need a nice fluffy, pass the time, no shouty badness kinda thread.

So what pilots account from WW2 do you think would make a superduper filum. Who would you want to direct, star etc.

Any 'you know what' will result in you being declared a sponge finger, you have been warned.

Im thinking 'First Light' be G Wellum.
Thoughts on actors etc to follow (just no midget scientologists please.)

Longpo
06-19-2007, 04:40 AM
A film based on the last parts of Pierre Clostermann's "The Big Show" would be interesting in my opinion.

Featuring a part of the air war never really seen in films and the same story with the aircraft. Tempests, late mark Spits and long nose 190s.

Would show quite a gritty side to a fighter pilots existence what with the air war at that stage focussing on ground support and strafing. Then there's the atrocious flak the pilots had to contend with.

As for directors and actors I don't have a clue,
"just no midget scientologists please" I would agree apon though.

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif

mynameisroland
06-19-2007, 05:20 AM
I can just picture Ben "Pierre" Afflek as the Free French/American Tempest Ace as he takes over a squadron of green RAF pilots and welds them in to a War winning force:

"Now those Nazi Fw 190s are faster than us but you gotta remember the Tempest can out turn them...

I got one in my sights! ( cue the montage of him and his SweetHeart somehere over in Louisiana, rolling about in a field lit in a golden hew ) Im going in ! Hammer Down! (as a Bf 109 Buchon with a Red Baron paint scheme blows up like 100 tons of TNT)"

British commanding officer looking wistfully at Ben in admiration/homoerotic wonderance: "What a pilot, thank god he's on our side, god help those Jerries if the rest of the Free French/Americans are anything like him ..."

Tom Cruise would be too small to climb in to a Tempest it would look ridiculous http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif Afflek could use his chin as a form of grappling device to haul his bulky frame in to the cockpit.

HotelBushranger
06-19-2007, 05:36 AM
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Worf101
06-19-2007, 05:36 AM
Originally posted by mynameisroland:
I can just picture Ben "Pierre" Afflek as the Free French/American Tempest Ace as he takes over a squadron of green RAF pilots and welds them in to a War winning force:

"Now those Nazi Fw 190s are faster than us but you gotta remember the Tempest can out turn them...

I got one in my sights! ( cue the montage of him and his SweetHeart somehere over in Louisiana, rolling about in a field lit in a golden hew ) Im going in ! Hammer Down! (as a Bf 109 Buchon with a Red Baron paint scheme blows up like 100 tons of TNT)"

British commanding officer looking wistfully at Ben in admiration/homoerotic wonderance: "What a pilot, thank god he's on our side, god help those Jerries if the rest of the Free French/Americans are anything like him ..."

Tom Cruise would be too small to climb in to a Tempest it would look ridiculous http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif Afflek could use his chin as a form of grappling device to haul his bulky frame in to the cockpit.

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/touche.gif

Stop it man, you're killing me!!! I can't take it. As for war movies that should be made (but damn sure won't)

1. "Battle of Kursk" - What a massive tank battle with waves of IL-2's swarming over head. Yak's and Migs and Stuka's OH MY.

2. "Sink the Bismark" - With new updated graphics and in glorious color. God I'm getting moist just thinkin' about it.

4. "Eagle Squadron" - Show Gabreski and others in a realistic light.

IBTL

Da Worfster

FPSOLKOR
06-19-2007, 05:40 AM
WTF MiGs would be doing at battle of Kursk? What I would like to see is "Battle of Sevastopol" and some Japs pilots life from PH till A-bomb. Dunno how to call this film

mynameisroland
06-19-2007, 05:53 AM
Id love to see a film about Kursk with Arnold Schwarzeneger commanding a Tiger Tank troup against the Russian hordes - seriously! IL2s and Rudel in his Ju87 roaming overhead.

It would be ace.

Id also like to see a Sink the Bismarck film with battle scenes done as they were historically - no need for dramatisation because the actual events were plenty dramatic already.

Deadmeat313
06-19-2007, 06:06 AM
Operation Pedestal (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Pedestal)

Not a story told from a pilot's POV, but an engaging and desperate battle involving repeated air attacks. Plenty of Luftwaffe action.

Mostly British vs German/Italian, but with some notable US heroes - notably the crew of the SS Ohio.


http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif


T.

Feathered_IV
06-19-2007, 06:15 AM
A Lilya Litvak story would be nice. Let the ladies lay the smackdown on the Jerries for a change.

http://www.elknet.pl/acestory/foto1/litvak2.jpg
http://www.cbrnp.com/profiles/quarter2/yak-1/yak-1_yellow-44.jpg

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/1a/Lydia_Litvyak.JPG/450px-Lydia_Litvyak.JPG

ploughman
06-19-2007, 06:20 AM
Originally posted by Deadmeat313:
Operation Pedestal (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Pedestal)

Not a story told from a pilot's POV, but an engaging and desperate battle involving repeated air attacks. Plenty of Luftwaffe action.

Mostly British vs German/Italian, but with some notable US heroes - notably the crew of the SS Ohio.


http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif


T.

That one.

Low_Flyer_MkVb
06-19-2007, 06:31 AM
*Ahem!*

You're overlooking my projected masterpiece - 'Babes Over Belarus' - or BoB for short. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/winky.gif

http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/23110283/m/588...881060683#5881060683 (http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/23110283/m/5881060683?r=5881060683#5881060683)

I won an award for that one, you know. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Whirlin_merlin
06-19-2007, 07:03 AM
I wanna see Chuck Norris dropped from a low flying stringbag to take out the Bismarck with a round-house kick.

ploughman
06-19-2007, 07:20 AM
Originally posted by Low_Flyer_MkVb:
*Ahem!*

You're overlooking my projected masterpiece - 'Babes Over Belarus' - or BoB for short. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/winky.gif

http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/23110283/m/588...881060683#5881060683 (http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/23110283/m/5881060683?r=5881060683#5881060683)

I won an award for that one, you know. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Crikey, that was 2 (two) years ago!?http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif?!

Is time speeding up or something?

Bearcat99
06-19-2007, 07:48 AM
I think a film about http://www.airpower.maxwell.af.mil/apjinternational/apj-s/2005/3tri05/3tri05_images/chivaletteart.jpg Eugene Bullard (http://www.airpower.maxwell.af.mil/apjinternational/apj-s/2005/3tri05/chivaletteeng.html).. The Black Swallow of Death would be an awesome project...

Also a film about http://www.homeofheroes.com/moh/nisei/2_masaoka_brothers.gif these men the 442nd (http://www.homeofheroes.com/moh/nisei/index3_442nd.html)...

and also http://utopia.utexas.edu/explore/latino/narratives/foto2.jpg these men... The Aztec Eagles (http://utopia.utexas.edu/explore/latino/narratives/02ESCUADRON_201.HTML).

IMO all of these stories would make excellent films full of all the action, romance and adventure that is the stuff of great film. That.. and the telling of these stories is long overdue.

Udidtoo
06-19-2007, 07:56 AM
Originally posted by Feathered_IV:
A Lilya Litvak story would be nice. Let the ladies lay the smackdown on the Jerries for a change.

http://www.elknet.pl/acestory/foto1/litvak2.jpg
http://www.cbrnp.com/profiles/quarter2/yak-1/yak-1_yellow-44.jpg

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/1a/Lydia_Litvyak.JPG/450px-Lydia_Litvyak.JPG

I'd pay 8 clams to see that one.

A series made like Band of Brothers showing some stand out unit from all major combatant countries would be groovy.

Metatron_123
06-19-2007, 08:02 AM
A film portraying 'the other side' similar to 'Der untergang' (which I thought was amazing) but covering the history of the luftwaffe. For example the life story of Erich Hartman or Adolf Galland, or even a film about the operational use of the world's first jet fighter, the Me-262! There are many replicas coming out of Flugwerk and they should be put to good use!

Bearcat99
06-19-2007, 08:10 AM
It never ceases to amaze me how no matter what the topic... some people continue to take the opportunity to take stabs at the U.S. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif

and I am not talking about you Meta.. I think your idea would be great.. Id love to see a movie of Heinz Knocke's book... or Saburo Sakai's bio too.

BOA_Allmenroder
06-19-2007, 08:18 AM
A series a la Band of Brothers about an 8th AF group like the 'Bloody 100th'; I'd also like a film about the debacle that was the first Ploesti raid.

BOA_Allmenroder
06-19-2007, 08:19 AM
Originally posted by Bearcat99:


Also a film about http://www.homeofheroes.com/moh/nisei/2_masaoka_brothers.gif these men the 442nd (http://www.homeofheroes.com/moh/nisei/index3_442nd.html)...



You do realize the above film, entitiled "Go For Broke" was already made, don't you?

Udidtoo
06-19-2007, 08:44 AM
If this fantasy movie we're all wishing for has to have the requisite Hollywood romance then I'd like it set in the Med. theater for a change. Italian women are smoking hot.

Then there would be a good excuse to throw in some shots of P-38's & 202's/205's going after each other.

Low_Flyer_MkVb
06-19-2007, 08:46 AM
Ulric Cross

As a 24-year-old in 1941, Ulric Cross sailed from Trinidad to join the RAF to fight Nazi Germany. He trained as a navigator and excelled to the extent that he joined the elite Pathfinder squadron of Mosquito bombers. By the end of the war, he had flown more than 80 bombing missions, including 21 over Berlin. He later told how his plane once limped back to Britain after losing an engine. He was awarded the Distinguished Flying Cross and the Distinguished Service Order before becoming a lawyer and eminent judge.



http://www.wewerethere.mod.uk/wewerethere_old/images/hrphot_06-10.jpg

Squadron Leader Philip Louis Ulric Cross, DFC, DSO
139 (Jamaica) Squadron RAF Bomber Command.

Squadron Leader Ulric Cross was awarded the Distinguished Flying Cross (DFC) in 1944 for his gallantry during the Second World War. While serving as a Pilot Officer with 139 (Jamaica) Squadron, he participated in bombing attacks across occupied Europe. In 1945 he was also awarded the Distinguished Service Order (DSO) in recognition of his ˜fine example of keenness and devotion to duty' and 'exceptional navigational ability'.



"There were one or two shocks. I remember we came over by boat and we landed at Greenock, and we were met by an RAF transport which took us into Glasgow and then we came down by train to London... and my first shock, being I suppose what you would call a gently nurtured middle-class Trinidadian, was the language. I mean I'd never heard it, normally, that sort of language being used, and that was the first shock, which shocked all of us, you know. Of course you got used to this. Four letter words were the normal currency. There appeared to be only one adjective known to these people. Now of course it's widespread. Even children, even in Trinidad, speak that way now...

I never felt I'm going to aid the mother country. Some people did but I would say the majority of us didn't. Reasons differ, but certainly for myself, you know, you're young, this was a tremendous adventure and you were doing it for the right reasons. Maybe that, I suppose we'll always be romantics at heart, I think I probably still am, but no question about it, I think it was worthwhile."
http://www.smallislandread.com/read_more/the_war_years.htm



http://www.nalis.gov.tt/Biography%5Cbio_UlricCross(2)_formerJustice.htm


Or how about the AVG 'Flying Tigers?'

Whirlin_merlin
06-19-2007, 08:55 AM
Originally posted by Bearcat99:
It never ceases to amaze me how no matter what the topic... some people continue to take the opportunity to take stabs at the U.S. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif



Are you wishing to declare 'Sponge finger' sir.

Seriously having a pop at the affront to history that is Hollywood isn't really a stab at the whole U.S.

Agree 100% about Eugene Ballard, who would do a good job in the role?

Whirlin_merlin
06-19-2007, 08:57 AM
Re: Ulric Cross.

Could be a 'we won teh war because of the extra jaunty angle of our hats thread' there.

I had heard of this gent before thanks for extra info.

Udidtoo
06-19-2007, 08:57 AM
Originally posted by Low_Flyer_MkVb:
Ulric Cross

As a 24-year-old in 1941, Ulric Cross sailed from Trinidad to join the RAF to fight Nazi Germany. He trained as a navigator and excelled to the extent that he joined the elite Pathfinder squadron of Mosquito bombers. By the end of the war, he had flown more than 80 bombing missions, including 21 over Berlin. He later told how his plane once limped back to Britain after losing an engine. He was awarded the Distinguished Flying Cross and the Distinguished Service Order before becoming a lawyer and eminent judge.






Thanks for the info on this guy. Always great to learn about something/someone new.

mynameisroland
06-19-2007, 09:00 AM
Originally posted by Bearcat99:
It never ceases to amaze me how no matter what the topic... some people continue to take the opportunity to take stabs at the U.S. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif

and I am not talking about you Meta.. I think your idea would be great.. Id love to see a movie of Heinz Knocke's book... or Saburo Sakai's bio too.

Can you be specific Bearcat as to whose posts have offended the US ?

Bearcat99
06-19-2007, 09:01 AM
Originally posted by BOA_Allmenroder:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Bearcat99:


Also a film about http://www.homeofheroes.com/moh/nisei/2_masaoka_brothers.gif these men the 442nd (http://www.homeofheroes.com/moh/nisei/index3_442nd.html)...



You do realize the above film, entitiled "Go For Broke" was already made, don't you? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Nope I didnt know that..

triad773
06-19-2007, 09:01 AM
The idea I had was not so much about subject, as content. It has always irked me that despite how great the graphics can be in IL-2 movies, there has always been some lacking bridge between the action and the people. FH&C is great as a IL-2 film, I love it and feel that it does a wonderful job of capturing the viewer's attention enough to make one not even notice that there are no shots of people there.

Well, I had sought to bridge that gap in some fashion. I currently have a project in the works that uses green screen, IL-2, a cheap digital video camera.

I don't expect the project to be any more than a technical excercise- one which will add to my skillset in graphics, enabling me to to more for the people I work for.

Here is a sample of what I am talking about
http://triad773.com/augustshots/tsoj/MechPilotActionShotMultipl3.jpg

If you are interested in some of what else the project involves, see http://triad773.com/forum/index.php?topic=2.0

All that is really needed for a scene setup is basically a static or non-moving scene, a couple of Photoshop layers (to give the illusion of depth, and stuff behind or in front of stuff,) Adobe After Effects, some kind of digital video capture for the actors, some cheap green fabric from the local crafts store, and you can be "acting" for real in an IL-2 movie.

Would like to see others try this out too.

Cheers

Triad

PBNA-Boosher
06-19-2007, 09:09 AM
Originally posted by Feathered_IV:
A Lilya Litvak story would be nice. Let the ladies lay the smackdown on the Jerries for a change.

http://www.elknet.pl/acestory/foto1/litvak2.jpg
http://www.cbrnp.com/profiles/quarter2/yak-1/yak-1_yellow-44.jpg

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/1a/Lydia_Litvyak.JPG/450px-Lydia_Litvyak.JPG

Now that I agree with!

Bearcat99
06-19-2007, 09:11 AM
Originally posted by mynameisroland:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Bearcat99:
It never ceases to amaze me how no matter what the topic... some people continue to take the opportunity to take stabs at the U.S. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif

and I am not talking about you Meta.. I think your idea would be great.. Id love to see a movie of Heinz Knocke's book... or Saburo Sakai's bio too.

Can you be specific Bearcat as to whose posts have offended the US ?

and Whirlin I was thinking of maybe ICE CUBE for some of these suggested films. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I cant speak for the entire US... and I wouldnt say I was offended.. it just kills me how many of the Brits around here in particular take every opportunity to poke fun at the US... Like you did with the Ben Affleck bit... we all know how...... questionable PH was.. and at times down right corny... that horse has been flayed... Dont get me wrong I am not loosing sleep over it by any stretch.. but like I said.. it still kills me... I cant wait till The Few comes out in 2008... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif Some of you guys might loose your minds in here... especially if your favorite action hero Tommy boy is still doing the lead... as far as Ice Cube for the lead in some of the above mentioned films... see that's the same kind of tounge in side of neck stuff I'm talking about... but hey.. maybe it's a British thing I don't know...

LStarosta
06-19-2007, 09:13 AM
Originally posted by Worf101:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by mynameisroland:
I can just picture Ben "Pierre" Afflek as the Free French/American Tempest Ace as he takes over a squadron of green RAF pilots and welds them in to a War winning force:

"Now those Nazi Fw 190s are faster than us but you gotta remember the Tempest can out turn them...

I got one in my sights! ( cue the montage of him and his SweetHeart somehere over in Louisiana, rolling about in a field lit in a golden hew ) Im going in ! Hammer Down! (as a Bf 109 Buchon with a Red Baron paint scheme blows up like 100 tons of TNT)"

British commanding officer looking wistfully at Ben in admiration/homoerotic wonderance: "What a pilot, thank god he's on our side, god help those Jerries if the rest of the Free French/Americans are anything like him ..."

Tom Cruise would be too small to climb in to a Tempest it would look ridiculous http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif Afflek could use his chin as a form of grappling device to haul his bulky frame in to the cockpit.

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/touche.gif

Stop it man, you're killing me!!! I can't take it. As for war movies that should be made (but damn sure won't)

1. "Battle of Kursk" - What a massive tank battle with waves of IL-2's swarming over head. Yak's and Migs and Stuka's OH MY.

2. "Sink the Bismark" - With new updated graphics and in glorious color. God I'm getting moist just thinkin' about it.

4. "Eagle Squadron" - Show Gabreski and others in a realistic light.

IBTL

Da Worfster </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Gabreski was never part of no "Eagle Squadron". LoL


Anyway, Jan Zumbach was an interesting character. His book was published in French and Polish, and it was a pretty damn good read. He was a pilot in 303 Sq. RAF Polish, the most winningest squadron of the Battle of Britain and he fought through the rest of the war only to be captured and held prisoner in Holland after most of the hostilities had already ceased. At that point, the prisoners were better off than their captors and they had their fair share of fun; they would enter and exit through the same doorway to their hotel in quick succession and disciplining the enlisted Wehrmacht guards for not saluting an officer when they missed a beat.

What happened later on in his life, however, was even more amazing. He became a mercenary after the war, founded an African country's air force, lead an amazingly breakneck life smuggling diamonds and Swiss watches, and becoming a "creative entrepreneur" of sorts. The book was amazing and thinking about it now makes it all seem so surreal.

http://www.strijdbewijs.nl/birds/spitfire/NO8.jpg
Jan Zumbach (in the Mae West) standing in front of his Spitfire Mk.Vb.

Whirlin_merlin
06-19-2007, 09:20 AM
Bearcat, at risk of making a Sponge finger of myself can I make the following point.

Imagine a film was made were the Redtails were portrayed is incompetent cowards who only succeded due to superior white officers in the background, worse still with 'blacked up' white guys playing them. Now I imagine we would stand shoulder to shoulder as we raised the studio to the ground.

Of course I'm not saying Hollywood goes this far which is why all we Brits do is a bit of 'mickey taking' in response.

ploughman
06-19-2007, 09:32 AM
Bear's hypersensitive to this issue Whirly. I'm affraid there's very little that can be done, it's a red mist Copperhead moment whenever THATfilm get's mentioned. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/shady.gif

Bearcat99
06-19-2007, 09:38 AM
LMAO... Well... I hear Lucas is making one... but I will reserve all opinons on it until after I see it.. or it is at least finished... uhh.. what film are you talking about PM? Not The Few... it is still in production....

mynameisroland
06-19-2007, 09:46 AM
Originally posted by Bearcat99:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by mynameisroland:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Bearcat99:
It never ceases to amaze me how no matter what the topic... some people continue to take the opportunity to take stabs at the U.S. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif

and I am not talking about you Meta.. I think your idea would be great.. Id love to see a movie of Heinz Knocke's book... or Saburo Sakai's bio too.

Can you be specific Bearcat as to whose posts have offended the US ?

and Whirlin I was thinking of maybe ICE CUBE for some of these suggested films. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I cant speak for the entire US... and I wouldnt say I was offended.. it just kills me how many of the Brits around here in particular take every opportunity to poke fun at the US... Like you did with the Ben Affleck bit... we all know how...... questionable PH was.. and at times down right corny... that horse has been flayed... Dont get me wrong I am not loosing sleep over it by any stretch.. but like I said.. it still kills me... I cant wait till The Few comes out in 2008... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif Some of you guys might loose your minds in here... especially if your favorite action hero Tommy boy is still doing the lead... as far as Ice Cube for the lead in some of the above mentioned films... see that's the same kind of tounge in side of neck stuff I'm talking about... but hey.. maybe it's a British thing I don't know... </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

The fact that Worf thought what I posted was funny suggests that I filled my post with enough general humour so that it ws an inclusive joke at Holywood that invited everyone to have a laugh at the way it makes films not one isolating Americans. Maybe its just a cultural difference that you dont like self depreciating humour but over here we poke fun out of ourselves contiously. Ever wondered why Whirlin goes on about the Vastly Superior Hawker Hurricane ?

Maybe you didnt see the bit where I parodied the homosexual British officer ? Another stereo type that gets revisitied time and time again on BOTH sides of the Atlantic.

Anyway no need to take offense or get edgy every time Ben Afflek gets poked fun at - otherwise you'd be a very busy man.

What you dont think HollyWood would cast ICE CUBE for any of the roles you mentioned? Sadly I think he would be a leading actor alongside Snoop Dawg and Jay Z if these films ever were produced and if you cant see the funny/sad side of that then there is no hope for you! lol

Blutarski2004
06-19-2007, 09:51 AM
Originally posted by Bearcat99:
I think a film about http://www.airpower.maxwell.af.mil/apjinternational/apj-s/2005/3tri05/3tri05_images/chivaletteart.jpg Eugene Bullard (http://www.airpower.maxwell.af.mil/apjinternational/apj-s/2005/3tri05/chivaletteeng.html).. The Black Swallow of Death would be an awesome project...


..... Absolutely right on. Hollywood screen writers would be embarrassed to write a script resembling what he led in real life.

Who would be cast in the lead?

BSS_AIJO
06-19-2007, 09:55 AM
hey,

wow triad, nice shot there...

I think the story of Hans Marseille is pre-loaded with hollywood moments. So, right there we have the makings of a pretty good movie. Thing is it would not be easy to sell to the US market, unless they changed him from a german to an american, and then switched out his 109 of something more culturally relevant like a boeing 707, and the whole Nazi thing is getting pretty tired and doesnt grab the audince so, how about snakes instead? Then there is still the problem with Marseille, he wouldnt be edgy enough, but perhapse we could get Sam Jackson to play the part? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif

But seriously, Marseille would be an awsome subject for a movie..


BSS_AIJO

Daiichidoku
06-19-2007, 09:55 AM
bio on Stienhoff, BoB to 262s to burned, scarred and no eyelids for years, then a new LW career postwar


or a Sakai bio


or maybe as someone else mentioned, any vehicle that invoves lotsa macchis and 38s http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif



oh, or something...anything, based in super-neglected CBI...hell, id love a film on the birtish retaking of madagascar! lol


id jsut PUKE to see yet anotehr mustang, spit, or b 17 on film

Whirlin_merlin
06-19-2007, 10:05 AM
Originally posted by mynameisroland:


"

British commanding officer looking wistfully at Ben in admiration/homoerotic wonderance:

Actually you can be sure that despite the Kings regs on the subject a fair few of the few would have been chaps of the chap loving variety. Has any one ever told their story?

I'm being serious here so the first one to refer to bandits at six o'clock gets a vurtual slap.

Low_Flyer_MkVb
06-19-2007, 10:08 AM
Hit me baby! Hit me hard! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/metal.gif

http://i109.photobucket.com/albums/n47/LFMkVb/Spitfire9a.jpg

ploughman
06-19-2007, 10:24 AM
Mon dieu!

mynameisroland
06-19-2007, 10:24 AM
ROLF !

Hey lay off the self depreciating humour British guys!

boxmike
06-19-2007, 12:09 PM
Whoa!
Everyone wants a single hero! And hallelujah, so wants holyWood! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif
Even Memphis Belle the cursed 2nd succeeded in holding back that sole single heroic character, instead whole crew had their part. And there even was a woman in the plane http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Back to business, not apart from above, I'm still waiting for movie about Mighty Eight's 'Black Thursday'. No Runstangs, no BAffleck or TCruise; But few people, couple of crews could depict 'hero' part. It's 64 years now, they could show the faces behind MGs as well. But, what a show that would be, gets into my mind every time someone mentions CGI.

Not apart from above part II: Last Days of Luftwaffe done like 'Untergang' is not a bad idea, who wrote that history of JG26? Cannot find more bitter end in fiction or fantasy.

Also 'Pedestal' convoy idea gets my vote. Hell in Mediterranean, in the end a (american? holyWood wake up!) half sunk tanker is towed into harbor, wrecked and carrying also a wreck of Stuka in it's twisted metal deck, saving the day. I do not resist making a movie of Eagle and Wasp but I think 'Ohio'-like savior at the door in the end gets audience's votes.

I bet majority of movie-going people lives with the 'facts' movies offer them. It is just pure entertainment and if there is no other interest in wars, the truth is there. No matter how simmers and historians bite their teeth http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_mad.gif

Rgds,
- box

Korolov1986
06-19-2007, 01:35 PM
A movie based on Daniel T. Roberts. Doesn't have to be exact - but close enough with a few fictional elements.

Also, a movie about Oscar F. Perdomo would rock, too.

If you haven't guessed, I'm tired of Europe.

jarink
06-19-2007, 02:09 PM
Ideas:

VMF-211 on Wake Island at the start of the (Pacific) war. No need for a lead 'star'; a small ensemble cast would be fine. (It worked for Band of Brothers)

"Baa Baa Black Sheep - the Movie" The TV series was better than nothing, but Pappy Boyington's wartime experiences (Flying Tigers, VMF-214, POW) are nothing short of amazing.

"Tidal Wave" The August, 1943 raid on Ploesti by 178 B-24s. Good opportunity for some neat CGI.

How about a story depicting the Japanese "Special Attack Units" (Kamikaze)from the pilots' perspectives? (in the same vein as "Letters from Iwo Jima")

triad773
06-19-2007, 02:17 PM
My Da was a merchant marine in WWII... told stories of having to sleep with your clothes and shoes on- just incase your ship was attacked and you had just enough time to make it up topside and jump over the railing before your ship went down (if you were lucky). The Vladavostok Run was pretty hairy affair for the guys on the freighters, oil tankers- but that'd be one more for Silent Hunter forum I imagine.

zugfuhrer
06-19-2007, 02:37 PM
A movie about Heinz Knokes life or another one
based on Jonnie Jonsons life. None should be made by Hollywood.

There are fewer than ten war-movies made by Hollywood that is worth watching.

http://www.heinzknokewebsite.com/
Knokes book is very historical correct, which Clostermans book isnt.

faustnik
06-19-2007, 03:16 PM
Originally posted by Feathered_IV:
A Lilya Litvak story would be nice.

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/agreepost.gif Best idea yet.

badatflyski
06-19-2007, 03:30 PM
Meeting of aces...or the story of the 145sqn PolishFightingTeam in africa aka Skalski's Circus.

Feathered_IV
06-19-2007, 06:52 PM
Lietmotiv and I are currently putting the finishing touches on the screenplay for the life story of Oleg Maddox. It's got everything. Cold War espionage, loads of aircraft, a bit of romance with Mrs. M. Not to mention a multi-million dollar car smash and a dream sequence kung-fu scene where Oleg beats the bejayus out of the lawyers from Northrop/Grumman. Expect a bit of wire work there.
We're also collaborating with famous director John Woo. The working title for this blockbuster is Crouching Whiner, Hidden Addon.

Korolov1986
06-19-2007, 06:59 PM
Originally posted by Feathered_IV:
Lietmotiv and I are currently putting the finishing touches on the screenplay for the life story of Oleg Maddox. It's got everything. Cold War espionage, loads of aircraft, a bit of romance with Mrs. M. Not to mention a multi-million dollar car smash and a dream sequence kung-fu scene where Oleg beats the bejayus out of the lawyers from Northrop/Grumman. Expect a bit of wire work there.
We're also collaborating with famous director John Woo. The working title for this blockbuster is Crouching Whiner, Hidden Addon.

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif

Copperhead310th
06-19-2007, 07:16 PM
Originally posted by Feathered_IV:
A Lilya Litvak story would be nice. Let the ladies lay the smackdown on the Jerries for a change.

http://www.elknet.pl/acestory/foto1/litvak2.jpg
http://www.cbrnp.com/profiles/quarter2/yak-1/yak-1_yellow-44.jpg

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/1a/Lydia_Litvyak.JPG/450px-Lydia_Litvyak.JPG

I agree 100%! this is the one i want to see made the most. & i know Boosher will back me on this one.

other than that....i'll add Worfs list to mine.
and also add.....

The battle of The Aleutians.

Copperhead310th
06-19-2007, 08:05 PM
for the lilya movie...

i'd have to cast
http://images.askmen.com/galleries/actress/geena-davis/pictures/geena-davis-picture-1.jpg
Geena Davis as Maj. Marina Raskova.


not sure who to cast as Lilya.....
maybe
http://www.reneezellwegerfan.info/images/05.jpg
RENEE ZELLWEGER

OR

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/42/Drew_Barrymore_headshot_by_David_Shankbone.jpg/421px-Drew_Barrymore_headshot_by_David_Shankbone.jpg
Drew Barrymore

Both of these gals could pass for Lilya IMO.

blakduk
06-19-2007, 08:23 PM
The film that HAS to be made is a screen adaptation of Len Deighton's 'Bomber'.
The book was brilliant and i understand the guys who made 'Memphis Belle' initially wanted to do it but costs got in the way- a major problem also was not enough access to an airworthy Lancaster.
The tone of that book has a lot in common with the film 'Das Boot', especially the ending.
Casting of these films is always difficult. People often dont realise that the guys who flew those planes were VERY young- someone in their late 20's was considered old.

R_Target
06-19-2007, 08:35 PM
I'd like to see a Cactus Air Force flick. Jolly Rogers would be good too. Or Saburo Sakai's story based on his life instead of Caiden's book.

waffen-79
06-20-2007, 02:18 AM
Originally posted by Copperhead310th:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Feathered_IV:
A Lilya Litvak story would be nice. Let the ladies lay the smackdown on the Jerries for a change.

http://www.elknet.pl/acestory/foto1/litvak2.jpg
http://www.cbrnp.com/profiles/quarter2/yak-1/yak-1_yellow-44.jpg

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/1a/Lydia_Litvyak.JPG/450px-Lydia_Litvyak.JPG

I agree 100%! this is the one i want to see made the most. & i know Boosher will back me on this one.

other than that....i'll add Worfs list to mine.
and also add.....

The battle of The Aleutians. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/agreepost.gif

Heck I would even like to see it like a minor hallmark or hbo movie

mattinen
06-20-2007, 04:25 AM
Originally posted by Ploughman:
Bear's hypersensitive to this issue Whirly.

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/agreepost.gif

Bearcat sees US bashing everywhere. I wonder why.

Feathered_IV
06-20-2007, 04:57 AM
Originally posted by Whirlin_merlin:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by mynameisroland:


"

British commanding officer looking wistfully at Ben in admiration/homoerotic wonderance:

Actually you can be sure that despite the Kings regs on the subject a fair few of the few would have been chaps of the chap loving variety. Has any one ever told their story?

I'm being serious here so the first one to refer to bandits at six o'clock gets a vurtual slap. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

There was a documentatry on the ABC over here (Oz) some years ago about gay chaps duing WW2. One part I remembered was of a rather languid BoB veteran who said, "I wasn't just up during the day. Darling, I was up every night too!" http://media.ubi.com/us/forum_images/gf-glomp.gif

Such stamina! Makes one proud to be a member of the Commonwealth http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/clap.gif

Worf101
06-21-2007, 12:18 PM
Originally posted by Blutarski2004:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Bearcat99:
I think a film about http://www.airpower.maxwell.af.mil/apjinternational/apj-s/2005/3tri05/3tri05_images/chivaletteart.jpg Eugene Bullard (http://www.airpower.maxwell.af.mil/apjinternational/apj-s/2005/3tri05/chivaletteeng.html).. The Black Swallow of Death would be an awesome project...


..... Absolutely right on. Hollywood screen writers would be embarrassed to write a script resembling what he led in real life.

Who would be cast in the lead? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Only one person to play him....

Don Cheadle!!!

Da Worfster

ploughman
06-21-2007, 12:25 PM
I just read the bio on Eugene Bollard, more people should know about him. That's an amazing story. You can't write stuff like that.

I found this bit terribly sad though; "Then, in 1939, war once again threatened the nation Eugene once more answered the call to duty. In July 1939, he joined the French underground and resistance movement. He spoke three languages including German, and readily agreed to honor a request to spy for France. The Germans arrogantly felt that no black man could properly understand their language, so Bullard was quite successful in this endeavor. Eugene worked occasionally with the famous French spy Cleopatra Terrier.

But as Paris was being overrun by the German army, Gene fled the city with his daughters. Upon arriving in Orleans he joined some uniformed troops who were defending the city. When the group Bullard was with came under heavy attack, his dozen or so compatriots were killed and he was badly wounded.

Rather than allow him to be captured and interrogated by the Gestapo, his espionage partner, Kitty, was able to successfully doctor his wounds and smuggled him to Spain with his daughters. Later he was medically evacuated to the United States.

Fully recovered in New York City and joined by his daughters Eugene settled down to rebuild his life. He was thrilled to again see America, and he soon found work as an elevator operator in Rockefeller Center. It was the job he would hold until he retired."

DxyFlyr
06-21-2007, 01:39 PM
I've always wanted to read Mike Boleslaw Gladych's story, but a movie would do just fine.

Killer Mike Boleslaw (http://members.chello.be/kurt.weygantt/worldwariiaces.index.html_boleslaw_mike_gladych.ht m)

This guy did everything... Prison escapes, flew with the Poles, the French, the English (until an unfortunate run-in with Churchill's plane) and the Americans. He flew P-11's, Spits, Thunderbolts. And then there is the whole deal with Black 13.

I think it was Robert Johnson's book that recounts Mike chasing down a 190 all over the countryside even after he ran out of ammo. That's where he got the nickname "Killer Mike".

As far as I know there is no biography or autobiography about Gladych. There should be.

DuxCorvan
06-21-2007, 03:23 PM
"Mo' Werra": An accurate depiction of the fight in the skies during the last stages of Spanish Civil War. As there has to be Americans so the film can be made with proper resources, it would include the deeds of the foreign volunteers, like Frank Tinker and others, in the Chato squadrons. The title refers to a funny anecdote about Tinker.

"Qadesh": A well researched film about the first well-known battle in history, which led to the first well-known peace treaty in history, with a young Ramesses II in full glory, and the magnificent rulers of the Hittite Empire Muwatalli II and Hattusili III making the blockbuster public know that the Hittites existed and what they were.

ploughman
06-21-2007, 03:42 PM
I saw that film "Pan's Labyrinth" t'other week, Dux. Seems to me Spanish film doens't need anyone elses resources.

Blutarski2004
06-21-2007, 03:52 PM
Originally posted by Worf101:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Blutarski2004:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Bearcat99:
I think a film about http://www.airpower.maxwell.af.mil/apjinternational/apj-s/2005/3tri05/3tri05_images/chivaletteart.jpg Eugene Bullard (http://www.airpower.maxwell.af.mil/apjinternational/apj-s/2005/3tri05/chivaletteeng.html).. The Black Swallow of Death would be an awesome project...


..... Absolutely right on. Hollywood screen writers would be embarrassed to write a script resembling what he led in real life.

Who would be cast in the lead? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Only one person to play him....

Don Cheadle!!!

Da Worfster </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


..... Perfect! Now, who do we pitch this concept to?

ploughman
06-21-2007, 03:53 PM
Don Cheadle?

berg417448
06-21-2007, 04:00 PM
Originally posted by Ploughman:
Don Cheadle?

This will explain it...from Wiki:


"...he has also appeared in NFL commercials promoting the Super Bowl from 2002 to 2005. He so regularly appeared for the NFL in its Super Bowl advertising that in 2006, in a drive to have fans submit their own advertising ideas, the NFL sought his permission to reference his previous commercials to portray themselves as having no new ideas -- "he quickly signed off on the idea and found it funny." Abe Sutton (along with Etan Bednarsh), one of the finalists in this NFL contest, played on this commercial by proposing an ad where an entire team of football players are comprised of Don Cheadle."

Bearcat99
06-22-2007, 12:49 AM
Originally posted by Blutarski2004:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Worf101:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Blutarski2004:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Bearcat99:
I think a film about http://www.airpower.maxwell.af.mil/apjinternational/apj-s/2005/3tri05/3tri05_images/chivaletteart.jpg Eugene Bullard (http://www.airpower.maxwell.af.mil/apjinternational/apj-s/2005/3tri05/chivaletteeng.html).. The Black Swallow of Death would be an awesome project...


..... Absolutely right on. Hollywood screen writers would be embarrassed to write a script resembling what he led in real life.

Who would be cast in the lead? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Only one person to play him....

Don Cheadle!!!

Da Worfster </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


..... Perfect! Now, who do we pitch this concept to? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I was thinking of him too.... He made an excellent Mouse.... "Well if you didn't want him dead Easy why you leave him with me?"

WTE_Moleboy
06-22-2007, 02:19 AM
A film about the life of Keith "Bluey" Truscott could be an interesting film. Truscott was successful Australian Rules Footballer who joined the RAAF in 1941. Despite struggling to complete pilot training he managed to shoot down 14 aircraft, playing an important role in the defense of Port Morseby. He was killed in a training accident in 1941.

ViktorViktor
06-22-2007, 04:05 AM
How about a film based upon the Finnish air war, seen thru the eyes of a leading ace ? (I am inspired by my fond memories of flying the offline IL2 Finnish campaigns years ago - the maps were beauties!)

It would be interesting seeing Buffalos and Hurricanes and P40s and Bf-109s together w/ Yaks and Laggs. And the view of Finnland from the sky !

Blutarski2004
06-22-2007, 05:43 AM
Originally posted by Bearcat99:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Blutarski2004:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Worf101:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Blutarski2004:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Bearcat99:
I think a film about http://www.airpower.maxwell.af.mil/apjinternational/apj-s/2005/3tri05/3tri05_images/chivaletteart.jpg Eugene Bullard (http://www.airpower.maxwell.af.mil/apjinternational/apj-s/2005/3tri05/chivaletteeng.html).. The Black Swallow of Death would be an awesome project...


..... Absolutely right on. Hollywood screen writers would be embarrassed to write a script resembling what he led in real life.

Who would be cast in the lead? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Only one person to play him....

Don Cheadle!!!

Da Worfster </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


..... Perfect! Now, who do we pitch this concept to? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I was thinking of him too.... He made an excellent Mouse.... "Well if you didn't want him dead Easy why you leave him with me?" </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


..... I knew I had more info on Eugene Bullard. Just found it. The book "High Flew the Falcons", H M Mason Jr devotes a chapter to him. Bullard's career [at least according to Mason, who writes with a certain flair for dramatic embroidery] is synopsized as follows -

> Born in 1894 into the family of an illiterate Georgia laborer.

> Left home before age of ten.

> Rode as a racing jockey at one point in his youth.

> Followed his father's advice to go to France, where he could escape segregation; crossed the Atlantic as a stowaway [and galley-hand when discovered] aboard a freighter.

> Landed in Aberdeen, Scotland, where he managed to scrape by for a while at odd jobs.

> Moved to Liverpool, where he met another black American ex-patriate, Aaron Lester Brown - otherwise known as "The Dixie Kid" and world boxing welterweright title holder in 1904.

> Of a powerful physique, he took up professional boxing, which ultimately got him to Paris.

> Joined the French Foreign Legion on the outbreak of WW1, serving continuously as an infantryman machine gunner on the Western Front from 1914 through 1916. Wounded three times.

> Earned Croix-de-Guerre for heroism at Verdun, where he suffered a severe fourth wound which disqualified him from further service in the infantry.

> Sought and was accepted for flight training in the French Air Force.

> Reported to Squadron S.93 (SPADs) in August 1917 and participated in at least one engagement by beginning of November 1917.

> Struck a French lieutenant in a Paris fistfight and was consequently dismissed from the air force; transferred to a service battalion of the 170th Infantry Regt where he served out the rest of the war.

> After a short post-war stint of prize-fighting, became a drummer with the jazz band of the then-famous Zig-Zag Club in Paris. Later opened his own prosperous Paris night-club, "Le Grand Duc". Became acquainted with many of the famous personalities of the "Roaring 20's" - Hemingway, Legs Diamond, Charlie Chaplin, Rudolf Valentino, Prince of Wales, etc. Later opened a gym as well.

> Married and fathered two daughters during the inter-war years.

> Tried to re-join the army when Germany invaded France in 1940, but was frustrated by the rapid collapse of resistance.

> Overcame chaotic difficulties to finally make his way to the US by way of Spain; arrived back in the US penniless, having left everything behind in France.

> Worked as a stevedore and raised further money from friends to extricate his two daughters from Vichy France and bring them to the US.

> Lived out his later years in Harlem.

> Passed away in 1961.


..... What an amazing life.

Feathered_IV
06-22-2007, 06:47 AM
The Adrian Warburton story would be a good one too if you were into some Malta action and a bit of a love story.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adrian_Warburton

mrsiCkstar
06-22-2007, 07:03 AM
Originally posted by Copperhead310th:
for the lilya movie...

i'd have to cast
http://images.askmen.com/galleries/actress/geena-davis/pictures/geena-davis-picture-1.jpg
Geena Davis as Maj. Marina Raskova.


not sure who to cast as Lilya.....
maybe
http://www.reneezellwegerfan.info/images/05.jpg
RENEE ZELLWEGER

OR

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/42/Drew_Barrymore_headshot_by_David_Shankbone.jpg/421px-Drew_Barrymore_headshot_by_David_Shankbone.jpg
Drew Barrymore

Both of these gals could pass for Lilya IMO.

Jennifer Saunders... she looks exactly like Lilya. Forget about those others lmao. I know Jennifer's mainly done comedy stuff but I think she could pull it off.

mrsiCkstar
06-22-2007, 07:13 AM
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/1a/Lydia_Litvyak.JPG/450px-Lydia_Litvyak.JPG

http://www.museum.tv/archives/etv/S/htmlS/saundersjen/saundersjenIMAGE/saundersjen.jpg

HotelBushranger
06-22-2007, 08:58 AM
A movie on Robert Miller, MM. (I think thats his name). Started off flying Hudsons, crash landed in France in 1940 and became a key figure in the French Underground before returning to England in 44 when he flew Mustangs. Got shot down, escaped from a POW train a day before it was completely destroyed crossing a bridge. Spent the rest of the war with 3 other blokes in a forest waiting for the Allies to catch up. His biography is a bloody good read.

DuxCorvan
06-22-2007, 09:18 AM
Originally posted by mrsiCkstar:
Jennifer Saunders... she looks exactly like Lilya. Forget about those others lmao. I know Jennifer's mainly done comedy stuff but I think she could pull it off.

http://www.museum.tv/archives/etv/S/htmlS/saundersjen/saundersjenIMAGE/saundersjen.jpg




Waaay too old. Lydia Litvyak was just 22 when she died. Jennifer Saunders may have looked a lot after Lydia when she was younger, but now she is 49, and it is obvious. So unless you have a time machine...

The other actresses are also older, but Saunders just looks like Lydia's granny right now.