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Pigeon_
11-13-2008, 03:37 PM
I've been wondering about this for a while now and I can't seem to find the answer.

How on earth did they manage to have dozens of aircraft on the deck and enable them to take off/land??

See pictures:

http://www.chinfo.navy.mil/navpalib/ships/carriers/cv20benn.jpg

http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q181/tamiriscalpha/WW%202%20Aircraft%20US%20NAVY%20and%20Marines/Vb-3DauntlessofUSSYorktown.jpg

squareusr
11-13-2008, 03:57 PM
A ship has a big belly!

There would never be dozens of aircraft on the deck at the same time in regular operation, but it's nice that you can park them all out in the sun for a photo session - or if you intend to make some crash-landings in China with aircraft that don't fit in the lift...

Divine-Wind
11-13-2008, 03:59 PM
Catapult systems. And what he said.

Also, in the top picture, it doesn't really look like their conducting flight operations.

WTE_Galway
11-13-2008, 04:13 PM
The cleaning lady through a big tantrum and said get all of those planes out of here so I can sweep out this hangar.

Pigeon_
11-13-2008, 05:06 PM
LOL

I wasn't aware of catapult use on large carriers in WW2. Any links to more info on this?

Divine-Wind
11-13-2008, 07:18 PM
Didn't the Essex class have a catapult system? I'll have to look around, though. In the meantime someone correct me if I'm wrong. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif

Talamir
11-13-2008, 08:13 PM
Almost all of the carriers built have had catapults, they were not a new thing coming into WW2. Some even had athwartship catapults on the hangar deck.

Zeus-cat
11-13-2008, 08:31 PM
Almost all of the carriers built have had catapults, they were not a new thing coming into WW2. Some even had athwartship catapults on the hangar deck.

He said "athwartship" heh heh heh.

R_Target
11-13-2008, 09:36 PM
Originally posted by Divine-Wind:
Didn't the Essex class have a catapult system? I'll have to look around, though. In the meantime someone correct me if I'm wrong. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif

They did. Some also had hangar-deck catapults, though they were rarely used. Smaller carriers had them too, which is how USS Manila Bay was able to launch P-47s off of Saipan so they could fly to their land bases.

http://i37.tinypic.com/5mhj86.jpg

Pigeon_
11-14-2008, 04:56 AM
Thanks gents!

Any links to more info about this? I'm very interested in reading more about this!

Skarphol
11-14-2008, 05:15 AM
I'm pretty sure that the first picture shows a carrier wich is just transporting planes, and that the planes will be deleiverd by a crane when they arrive at a port.

I remember I read somwhere that an english carrier was en route to deleiver a deck full of planes to the far east when the war ended. The carrier turned back, and since there was no use for the planes back in britain they where just tipped over the deck and into the sea.

Skarphol

squareusr
11-14-2008, 09:32 AM
Originally posted by Skarphol:
I'm pretty sure that the first picture shows a carrier wich is just transporting planes, and that the planes will be deleiverd by a crane when they arrive at a port.

The fact that they are all pointing forward does indeed hint at a longer transport "parking formation" instead of a simple demonstration of power. In strong winds you'd steer the bow into the wind anyway and then you'd certainly want the planes lashed down pointing their noses into the same direction.

R_Target
11-14-2008, 06:07 PM
VF-29 F6F ready for catapult take-off on USS Cabot. Pretty short run.

http://i36.tinypic.com/2vnfe50.jpg

Side view of USS Bunker Hill. I believe the Corsair at far left is in the catapult.

http://i38.tinypic.com/95x4zt.jpg

Hangar deck catapult in action.

http://i35.tinypic.com/2nqgwzp.jpg

Pigeon_
11-14-2008, 06:13 PM
Sweet stuff! Still, my question remains... any links? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif
To what speeds were the planes catapulted? Viewing the last picture... that's gotta hurt!! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif

Now... I'm also wondering of there's some thing remotely catapult-like in the game...?

Stingray333
11-14-2008, 07:14 PM
Wow! That is such a short take off, I wouldn't believe a prop plane like that could take off at such a short distance, how fast does the catapult accelerate the planes??

Stingray

Divine-Wind
11-14-2008, 08:03 PM
Originally posted by Pigeon_:
Now... I'm also wondering of there's some thing remotely catapult-like in the game...?
Not that I know of.

Swivet
11-14-2008, 08:11 PM
Hmm.....looks like 4 planes wide in some of those shots..That's def not modelled in this sim. You can barely get 2 wide now.

gdfo
11-15-2008, 05:07 AM
Remember the Wright Bros demonstration to the US Army used a catapult.

Catapults were used to launch the planes of the ends of battleships and cruisers.

grifter2u
11-15-2008, 06:44 AM
on the OP picture the aircraft carrier has a barrier up at the end of the deck, confirming it is not preparing a launch of any type.

the aircraft are parked in dense formation on the deck for other reasons

Jex_TE
11-15-2008, 07:24 AM
Originally posted by Swivet:
Hmm.....looks like 4 planes wide in some of those shots..That's def not modelled in this sim. You can barely get 2 wide now.

Their wings are folded. If you extended the wings and put them side by side it looks as though they'd fit with only a little room to spare?

Swivet
11-15-2008, 09:44 AM
Hmmm....even with wings folded i cant get 4 planes wide, or never seen it...Gonna have to do a test with my squadmates now http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Aaron_GT
11-15-2008, 10:13 AM
Slightly OT but the specification which eventually resulted in the Lancaster and Halifax originally called for land based catapult capability to allow for overload takeoffs.

RPMcMurphy
11-15-2008, 02:53 PM
Sightly OT also.
Modern day carrier stuff here:
I found that 3 Tomcats could launch at the same time. I did'nt know that.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BQIYAJvzNxY

WTE_Galway
11-15-2008, 07:25 PM
Originally posted by Skarphol:


I remember I read somwhere that an english carrier was en route to deleiver a deck full of planes to the far east when the war ended. The carrier turned back, and since there was no use for the planes back in britain they where just tipped over the deck and into the sea.

Skarphol

That would almost certainly have been lend lease US planes.

The condition of lend lease was that at the end of the war you the US did not want the stuff back you either destroyed the "loaned" equipment or payed for it. Britain was bankrupt from the war so any British planes would have been kept to sell off, even for scrap - however lend lease aircraft .....