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XyZspineZyX
07-03-2003, 07:01 PM
I have been flying the butcher bird a lot online lately and I have been really liking it. It started when I found out the F8 is a great jabo machine. My favorite tactic with the F8 is to wait untill the yak runs out of ammo then pounce on him when he tries to flee the scene /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif Then a '42 map came on the scene and I started flying the A4 to great success. Pouncing on enemy aircraft when they are leaving their airbase and heading to the furball, keeping my speed high and doing nice long coordinated luftwaff style turns. I may not exactly rack up the kills but more often then not I am putting down at home to get more fuel or ammo. When your team works as a team you can drag the maneuverable aircraft around to get them squirlly buggers to hold still /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif Well a map came up in the rotation with the A9 and I have to say I love this aircraft. Usually I fly with the dual in-wing mk108's for greater punch. In the 4 times this map has come up I have yet to be shot down in it. I did crash a few times and arrive home smoking but I still think if this were RL then I would want to be sitting in a 190. I definately like the A9 much more than the Dora. Well my question is could someone jot down in point form the differences between the A4, A5, A8 and A9. I would appreciate it greatly.

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XyZspineZyX
07-03-2003, 07:01 PM
I have been flying the butcher bird a lot online lately and I have been really liking it. It started when I found out the F8 is a great jabo machine. My favorite tactic with the F8 is to wait untill the yak runs out of ammo then pounce on him when he tries to flee the scene /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif Then a '42 map came on the scene and I started flying the A4 to great success. Pouncing on enemy aircraft when they are leaving their airbase and heading to the furball, keeping my speed high and doing nice long coordinated luftwaff style turns. I may not exactly rack up the kills but more often then not I am putting down at home to get more fuel or ammo. When your team works as a team you can drag the maneuverable aircraft around to get them squirlly buggers to hold still /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif Well a map came up in the rotation with the A9 and I have to say I love this aircraft. Usually I fly with the dual in-wing mk108's for greater punch. In the 4 times this map has come up I have yet to be shot down in it. I did crash a few times and arrive home smoking but I still think if this were RL then I would want to be sitting in a 190. I definately like the A9 much more than the Dora. Well my question is could someone jot down in point form the differences between the A4, A5, A8 and A9. I would appreciate it greatly.

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XyZspineZyX
07-03-2003, 07:25 PM
check the object viewer, a lot of info

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XyZspineZyX
07-03-2003, 07:32 PM
Well i guess differences are as following:

A4: Fighter with fighter-bomber capabilities
A5: Improved A4, but i think it's less maneuverable due to its increased length. Better use it as a jabo
A8: Modifyed wing - should give it a better speed and maneuverability at high altitude. But its engine is inadequate so you lose speed quickly and stall easily. Don't like this version.
A9: 8 with more powerful engine. It's faster and with 110% and MW50 boost it goes pretty fast. This version is also able of high altitude combat.
D9: Jumo 213 engine. Should provide more power on an A8 frame. Think it accelerates faster than other fw190 but quicky loses speed in turn due to its increased length. (The mw50 on the 1945 version doesn't help too much)
F8: jabo on the base of the A8 frame. Quite maneuverable and fast at low altitude. Its strong armement also allows its use as a fighter. But avoid high altitude

Hope this helped you

XyZspineZyX
07-03-2003, 07:33 PM
.....and until the patch comes out, stick with the A-9(R2), she is a beauty! After the patch, more testing will be required. What I am interested to know is how much the wide propeller of the 190A-9 was supposed to improve climb performance?

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Message Edited on 07/03/0306:34PM by kyrule2

XyZspineZyX
07-03-2003, 08:54 PM
Thanks svkp that helps! The F8 is maneuverable? Certainly not for me, it has to be by far the least maneuverable of them all. I had atrributed this to what I think is alot of extra weight from what seems like extra armour. Next time I am on the '42 map I will try out the A4 over the A5. Since I dont maneuver much anyway I would rather have the fastest one with the best climb, armour and guns. A9 uses erhote norsteilung not MW50. I do not like the Dora. The A9 accelerates well. I took off under vultcher fire once and had a P39 on my tail. Well that little puppy just got up and left that poor P39 in the dust screaming "coward" /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif The Fw190 does not turn and fight but it shure does fight.

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XyZspineZyX
07-03-2003, 09:43 PM
A4- high speed heavy fighter and fighter bomber for 1942 and early 1943. It is superior in speed at low altitude to all except La-5 in 1942. Above 3400m it is superior to all.

A5- high speed heavy fighter, superior to all in terms of speed, especially above 3000m. Excellent jabo capabilities as well.

A8- improved A5 with better armement and slight speed increase at low altitude and significant speed increase at higher altitudes. Decreased agility but the Fw 190A's aren't going to out turn anything anyways, so that has no real effect. This plane is superior to all other early 1944 fighters.

A9- A8 on steriods. This plane is the master of all allied piston engined aircraft at all altitudes up to 7000m. This plane is the king of interceptors.

D9 Early- Extra agile Fw 190, but at the expense of 2x20mm's. Speed is similer to Fw 190A8.

D9 Late- Same as early model but with speed superior to A9. This is the ultimate dogfighter. It can turn with any russian fighter at 400km/h and out run all. But does not have the punch of the Fw 190A's.

F8- A8 with special low altitude engine. This is a dedicated bomber. Engine gets sluggish above 1500m, below 1500m the F8 performance is mediocre for a fighter, but it can hold its own once its ordanance is gone. This is one of the best fighter-bombers, but it isn't a very good air superiority fighter.

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XyZspineZyX
07-04-2003, 06:55 PM
The reason many state that the F-8 is more agile is because it is the only FW190 that has reasonable elevator authority.

Just to add a few more points....
The A-5 has boost the A-4 doesn't.

Armaments wise the A-4 & A-5 both have MGFF 20mm Cannon in the wings (Outer) which, while being destructive, are lower velocity weapons compared to the MG151/20. Only use it up close /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

The Fw190 F-8 Carries MG151/20 in the inner stations and no outer wing cannons just like the Dora. The F-8 boost system is limited to 1000M or so where it is pretty sweet.

The A-8 & A-9 have the 4xMG151/20 setup (plus the 13mm cowl MG's) which is a real punch /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

Bear in mind though that the FW190-A9 is way too fast at the moment in FB and will more than likely get a performance drop after the patch. At 6000M the A-9 can push 750Kph+ in level flight which is too fast.

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XyZspineZyX
07-04-2003, 07:47 PM
Yes, the Fw 190A9 is about 25km/h too fast, but the Yak 3 is about 40km/h too fast so the relitive performance will remain about the same.

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XyZspineZyX
07-04-2003, 07:54 PM
I have to attest to Lunix's abilty in these FW's.I fly his wing regularly (109 G-10 for me) and, together, we usually wreak havoc and terror in the hearts of the opposing forces.

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