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XyZspineZyX
08-16-2003, 10:55 PM
Maybe this was alredy noticed, since dates from the 1.0(don't know for sure if it was in IL2), But:
I was attacking 4 Pe8 in QMB, and when I was shooting in #4, he suddenly nose-up, and climbed at almost 90 degrees.
Sure he quicly camed back to level flight, but I was wondering.. it's a 4 engined bomber, and seems a bit strange to me to do that...
Is that any kind of "tipical" bomber maneuver? They seem to that alot. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif
Any ideas?

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XyZspineZyX
08-16-2003, 10:55 PM
Maybe this was alredy noticed, since dates from the 1.0(don't know for sure if it was in IL2), But:
I was attacking 4 Pe8 in QMB, and when I was shooting in #4, he suddenly nose-up, and climbed at almost 90 degrees.
Sure he quicly camed back to level flight, but I was wondering.. it's a 4 engined bomber, and seems a bit strange to me to do that...
Is that any kind of "tipical" bomber maneuver? They seem to that alot. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif
Any ideas?

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XyZspineZyX
08-17-2003, 12:30 AM
Ok, so nobody spotted this one?

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XyZspineZyX
08-17-2003, 12:32 AM
I see that quite often on-line .. but usually attribute that to lag. QMB off-line? Cant say I have ..

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XyZspineZyX
08-17-2003, 12:41 AM
Yes, I see it with many different bombers in QMBs. It's usually the last plane in the formation I think (i.e. number 4 in a 4-plane formation, number three in a 3 plane formation). I call it the "sacrificial offering syndrome." Pulls up hard, hangs there, stalls and repeats.

XyZspineZyX
08-17-2003, 02:33 AM
Seem like nuts to me. They give you a perfect, wide target to shoot at. they should rather dive.. this way the underwing gunners, could take some shots at you./i/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif

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XyZspineZyX
08-17-2003, 03:47 AM
I've noticed several of the bombers throwing themselves around quite a bit to avoid getting shot. I don't know how possible it was in those particular aircraft, but Lancaster pilots would often throw their aircraft into violent corkscrews to evade enemy aircraft (although the Lancaster was a superbly manouverable aircraft for its size), so it's not beyond the realms of possibility.

XyZspineZyX
08-17-2003, 04:00 AM
if it worked then why shouldn't they have done it?

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XyZspineZyX
08-17-2003, 04:56 AM
A Lancaster wouldn't be flying in a tight formation. Imagine what would happen if B-17s in a tight box formation all started performing violent evasive maneuvers at the same time.

That's not to say it didn't happen with daylight bombers, but it was probably a mark of inexperience to do so, since such a premium was placed on maintaining close, defensive formations.


(Wow, sorry to anyone who read that post before I edited it!)


Message Edited on 08/17/0305:56AM by A.K.Davis

adlabs6
08-17-2003, 05:58 AM
I was testing the FW190's guns against a flight of Pe8's the other day. During one pass, I managed to shoot off the rudder of one of the bombers. Not the entire rudder mind you, just the movable panel. When I check the external view to view the damage I did, I noticed the Pe8 was rolling rapidly left and right, about 40? in each direction (using ailerons) while trying to return to formation. The odd bit was that the rate of roll and quickness from full left to full right roll was as if the plane had no inertia at all, taking only seconds per cycle.

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XyZspineZyX
08-17-2003, 08:25 AM
Yeah, I noticed AI bombers like to perform all kinds of evasive maneuvers that just make it easier for you to shoot them, as well as break away from formation the second they get a few rounds in their plane.
This is of course very convenient for me, since I don't have to take defensive fire from a whole bomber formation when attacking them. I do however doubt the historical realism of this /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

XyZspineZyX
08-17-2003, 09:59 AM
"if it worked then why shouldn't they have done it? "

Because in real life the bomber might not have been capible of such a manuvre, either due to airframe stress or simply stalling out. On the other hand, maybe they could and did.

It's an interisitng question. Personally I doubt the ability of a russian four engine bomber to perform a full verticle, but it's possible. I have heard impressive stories of the first 707 four engine jet liner and it's ability to do a barrel roll... Though not as a standerd manuever.