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Deedsundone
03-31-2007, 08:03 AM
I have recently bought a pair of rudder pedals (saitek one)A bit larger than I though they where so I had to rebuild my lower compartment of my computer desk a little http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif.I was a twist stick user before but I see why people says rudder pedal is better.I think my aim got a lot better.Now,some questions.

1-Before I only use rudder for taxing and shooting but,is the anything else to consider?

2-Do you trim you rudder or do you just add a little with you pedal?

3-Can you add brakes to the other toe brake on you pedal cause now it´s the only left one that´s working.

Thanks

Deedsundone
03-31-2007, 08:03 AM
I have recently bought a pair of rudder pedals (saitek one)A bit larger than I though they where so I had to rebuild my lower compartment of my computer desk a little http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif.I was a twist stick user before but I see why people says rudder pedal is better.I think my aim got a lot better.Now,some questions.

1-Before I only use rudder for taxing and shooting but,is the anything else to consider?

2-Do you trim you rudder or do you just add a little with you pedal?

3-Can you add brakes to the other toe brake on you pedal cause now it´s the only left one that´s working.

Thanks

Yellow_Sub
03-31-2007, 09:01 AM
1.The rudder is also used in various flight manoeuvres. I am not an expert on this but you use it for performing the hammerhead (180? turn over the wing), the slip manoeuvre (example if you use right rudder while holding the stick to the left, your plane should move the the left and stay completely horizontal while doing it, if rudder and ailerons are in a balance). If you do a looping you should apply a bit of rudder to counter the torque* and switch the rudder to the other side when you come down, otherwise you won't come down where you started. While flying curves you can keep the nose of the plane on the horizon. Instead of loosing or gaining height.
A similar thread was made a few days ago:
http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/26310365/m/3341089045

2. Haven't bound rudder trim to my X-52 yet so I don't use it. But maybe that is just me. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif I guess it's handy when your plane is damaged and you need constant rudder.

3. Don't use the Saitek software to assign the brakes in IL-2, there's a better way. IL-2 doesn't support separated braking for the left and right wheels. It will simply brake all wheels.
http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/49310655/m/7501041245

* I am not sure if that is the right force to counter

p-11.cAce
03-31-2007, 09:08 AM
1. The rudder is used constantly to maintain coordinated flight - indicated by the ball in the inclinometer remaining centered. The ball should ALWAYS be centered - the only exceptions being a slip to bleed off excess altitude when landing or intentional off axis flight to align the nose with an enemy or to evade fire. Flying uncoordinated is not only a sloppy bad habit, it prevents you from flying any aircraft to its full potential and opens the door for easier loss of control during combat manuvering.
2. I always trim with a seperate input (except for the aircraft with no rudder trim) - but this is more a matter of personal preference than anything else.
3. I've got custom pedals without toe brakes http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

RS.Wedge
04-01-2007, 04:59 PM
Hello Deedsundone,

I use CH Pro Rudder Pedals. I use them to line up on targets and also perform manuevers such as sliding left or right. I also use them to create drag to lose speed. I actually trim my rudder with a setting on my Fighterstick.

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VMF-214_HaVoK
04-01-2007, 05:08 PM
I been using CH pedals along with my X-52 for over a year now. At first after using twist sticks for so long it was tuff getting use too. But now I could not imagine flying without them. I rarely use rudder trim now with the pedals. Its much easier just to compensate with your feet then a twist stick. I pretty much only use rudder trim when flying a bomber using the bomb sight.

horseback
04-01-2007, 06:02 PM
Been using CH Pro Pedals for almost 4 years now, and could not function without them.

I trim my rudder for straight and level flight, and generally use the rudder pedals to center the 'ball' in turns, dives and climbs. However, in some aircraft, even with rudder input, adding and subtracting trim is a big help during combat or aerobatics (which is why I have my rudder and elevator trim mapped onto my joystick's hatswitch).

Given the varying degrees of 'honesty' you get from the turn & bank indicators of aircraft in the game, it just takes a while to develop a 'feel' for each aircraft and its trim system.

It's like the answer to the question "How do you get to Carnegie Hall?"

Practice!!!

cheers

horseback

rnzoli
04-02-2007, 03:02 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">1-Before I only use rudder for taxing and shooting but,is the anything else to consider? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Sure, lots of use http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif Bleeding speed on a final (to slow down), hammerhead (on the top), directional control near stall speeds (to avoid stalling out with ailerons)

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">2-Do you trim you rudder or do you just add a little with you pedal? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>Always trim, it's more accurate than offsetting your pedal by your legs. [/quote]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">3-Can you add brakes to the other toe brake on you pedal cause now it´s the only left one that´s working. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>This depends on the pedal type. As said before, the breaking force is determined by 1 input only, the differential braking is achieved by deflecting the rudder into one direction (that side will brake harder, the other side will brake less). I have a custom setup, where I need to press both pedals to get the maximum braking effect, pressing only one pedal will give me only half of the braking force. Maybe your Saitek can be programmed that way, too.

Lehnert
04-02-2007, 02:49 PM
Hello,
for your Saitek pedals
use this at the settings.ini at each pilot-directory you use at the users directory (and for future creating new pilots at the default.ini at the Users directory) for your pedals like the follwoung example ; while the JoystickDeviceNumber refers to the order of your Joysticks. Use the JoystickDeviceNumber you recognize for your pedals for the brakes too

Example:

AXE_RZ JoystickDevice2=rudder

AXE_X JoystickDevice2=brakes
AXE_Y JoystickDevice2=brakes

AXE_X JoystickDevice0=aileron
AXE_Y JoystickDevice0=elevator
AXE_Z JoystickDevice0=-power



Cheers
Gerhard
from Munic / Bavarian / Germany / Europe


quote:
Originally posted by Dash_C.:
How can I assign both toe brake axes to the wheelbrakes in IL2? Right now I can only assign left OR right toe brakes to this action.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Deedsundone:
I have recently bought a pair of rudder pedals (saitek one)A bit larger than I though they where so I had to rebuild my lower compartment of my computer desk a little http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif.I was a twist stick user before but I see why people says rudder pedal is better.I think my aim got a lot better.Now,some questions.

1-Before I only use rudder for taxing and shooting but,is the anything else to consider?

2-Do you trim you rudder or do you just add a little with you pedal?

3-Can you add brakes to the other toe brake on you pedal cause now it´s the only left one that´s working.

Thanks </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

K_Freddie
04-02-2007, 03:05 PM
Generally rudders are used for co-ordinated flight... when you're bored. You know moving aerolon and rudder in the same direction to maintain non-slip due to secondary aerodynamic forces.. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/sleepzzz.gif

BUT

You can use then for un-coordinated flight when you're excited http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/winky.gif This'll make is very interesting for those on your 6
http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif