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Nostra135
01-15-2005, 02:42 AM
sorry but im a newbie,and i dont understand,why when i go in to PF and start a mission,i need to fly so much before i see the enemy?
for a newbie like me who need to train on shooting enemys planes,i cant 'cuz i have to fly so long[and die right after i see the enemy planes cuz im not good]
u got any idea how to solve this?

FoolTrottel
01-15-2005, 03:20 AM
The pacific ocean is a large one!

You can use the Quick Mission Builder to practice.
Choose your own aircraft, choose friendlies, choose enemy aircraft, set their skills!
You can save a particular setup ....
For gunnery skill training, choose only friendly bombers, use them as targets, they won't shoot at you.

Or start a campaign, I've found the RN Iwo Jima campaign has a short flighttime to the action, though you'll have to take off from a carrier, and land on it!

Good luck!

Nostra135
01-15-2005, 03:31 AM
hey man thx 4 the fast reply.
i just did a mission now and i finally understood how to bombhttp://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.giflol
ALT+SPACE
hehehttp://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif
any way,there's a way to see when i need to drop the bombs?or just by looking at the target?i mean,there isnt a key u can press and it will give u like..something that will tell\show u when to drop the bombs and be accourate?
and i'll try that campiagn u gave me,this game is the best im telling yahttp://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gifworth every cent.
thx again.

Von_Zero
01-15-2005, 03:51 AM
Read the documentation, there you can findthe answers for most of your problems. If you ask here about something that is wrtten in the manual or the readme, don't be surprised if someone will answer something like "red the manual n00b" (no offence intednded, btw). We've seen lots of ppl around whining that they have to fly for 20 min before "gettting to the action", while they forget that in RL, pliots would often fly for several hours. While your case is justified by the fact you are a beginner, i think you can understand our frustation http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif
About the bombing:
if you are flying a dive-bomber, dust dive vertically and use the gunsightto aim, then drop the bombs when you think you have the target in the center of the ginsight.
if you are using a fighter-bomber, you can either use the same tactics as a dive bomber (be carefull not to get too much speed and lose parts of the plane), either dive at a 45 degree angle and drop the bomb when you think you are in the best position.
for level bombers you can use the bombsight, but it has to be adjusted according to the speed and altitude you have.
Just remember, most of the things in the game take a lot of practice in order to master them.

Nostra135
01-15-2005, 04:25 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Von_Zero:
Read the documentation, there you can findthe answers for most of your problems. If you ask here about something that is wrtten in the manual or the readme, don't be surprised if someone will answer something like "red the manual n00b" (no offence intednded, btw). We've seen lots of ppl around whining that they have to fly for 20 min before "gettting to the action", while they forget that in RL, pliots would often fly for several hours. While your case is justified by the fact you are a beginner, i think you can understand our frustation http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif
About the bombing:
if you are flying a dive-bomber, dust dive vertically and use the gunsightto aim, then drop the bombs when you think you have the target in the center of the ginsight.
if you are using a fighter-bomber, you can either use the same tactics as a dive bomber (be carefull not to get too much speed and lose parts of the plane), either dive at a 45 degree angle and drop the bomb when you think you are in the best position.
for level bombers you can use the bombsight, but it has to be adjusted according to the speed and altitude you have.
Just remember, most of the things in the game take a lot of practice in order to master them. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

hey man thx allot 4 ur reply.
i understand that those pilots had to fly in RL allot oh hours,but hey,i bought that game 4 my own fun,and without disrespect,i dont have much time to wait,and its nice flying around but i cant fly 30 minutes for a fight that will result in me geting killed[after i will fight allot of battels i will be better i presume].
so i hope u "understand my frustration" http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif
thx allot 4 the tips about bombing,i will try to master them,and another thing,its no shame to be a noobhttp://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif,every body were noobs
thx allot 4 ur time guys and u have a nice day.

Patch_whiner
01-15-2005, 04:54 AM
Nostra135,

you could accelerate time using the (default) [] keys to speed up and slow down time. The max is 8x accelerated which should make things less tedious. A good idea is to switch on autopilot (A) before you do this. If the autopilot does silly things just wait for a straight run , trim your aircraft for a slight climb and watch the minutes dissapear.

PW

Gawwad
01-15-2005, 06:30 AM
U can also use the time skip feature...

Yellonet
01-15-2005, 07:04 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Gawwad:
U can also use the time skip feature... <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
...which needs to be binded to a key first...

Chuck_Older
01-15-2005, 07:05 AM
http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif A lot of people seem to get a rude shock when they discover that simulations simulate the boring and tedious as well as the fact and furious. Some of us here will fly civil flight simulators that have zero combat because we find flight simulators fun even without the excitement of a dogfight

You may wish to see about some single missions as well, Nostra. the tweaks that have been mentioned in this thread are good ones, and to me, the main part of a sim like this is the campaigns, but also the single missions tend to be fairly action-oriented

Reading the manual is a must for a sim. Without doing that, you will be bewildered as to why things happen.

For instance, have you tried to raise the landing gear on an F4F yet? That one alone stumps a lot of folks because they aren't familiar with the system in the real plane (which basically uses a bicycle chain and a crank), and they are used to games that aren't sims, in which you can jump right in and figure thigns out because most of the time, everything is uniform and follows a formula of sorts

Good luck and enjoy the sim http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

Nostra135
01-15-2005, 07:17 AM
yea i tried that X8 thingy
but the resoultion of the game is so high that when i do the X4-X8 time,its geting realy slow
so i will try geting the res down in order to get it ok and i will turn on the autopilot
and how can i skip time?
there's a button for it?
i will give it a shot
thx allot.

Nostra135
01-15-2005, 07:21 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Chuck_Older:
http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif A lot of people seem to get a rude shock when they discover that simulations simulate the boring and tedious as well as the fact and furious. Some of us here will fly civil flight simulators that have zero combat because we find flight simulators fun even without the excitement of a dogfight

You may wish to see about some single missions as well, Nostra. the tweaks that have been mentioned in this thread are good ones, and to me, the main part of a sim like this is the campaigns, but also the single missions tend to be fairly action-oriented

Reading the manual is a must for a sim. Without doing that, you will be bewildered as to why things happen.

For instance, have you tried to raise the landing gear on an F4F yet? That one alone stumps a lot of folks because they aren't familiar with the system in the real plane (which basically uses a bicycle chain and a crank), and they are used to games that aren't sims, in which you can jump right in and figure thigns out because most of the time, everything is uniform and follows a formula of sorts

Good luck and enjoy the sim http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

hey man,first reply btw didnt see it until i did F5 after my last msg.
any way,i like flying around its fun,but there's a limit of time that i can enjoy of flying without a purpose,maybe other people just like flying around[that's fun,but like i said,for a limited timehttp://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif,not 30 minutes,at least 4 me]
and i will start a campigan too.
thx allot.

Chuck_Older
01-15-2005, 08:02 AM
...Just trying to help

Nostra135
01-15-2005, 08:20 AM
yea man u helpd me allot thx again.
this game is soo goodhttp://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

SeminoleX
01-15-2005, 08:22 AM
Imagine that.. having to fly in a flight sim...wierd http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

Seriously...if you want lots of fast action try the New Guinea Campaigns either as IJA(Oscar) or USAAF(P-40).
They have some long distance escort missions but chiefly you will be flying SCRAMBLE base defense missions....probably with more action than you wished for.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> from movie Battle Of Britian <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Enough action even for you eh...Bruno?

Nostra135
01-15-2005, 11:11 AM
ohh,good idea but i dont understand something
i need to download it from this website or i got those campigan's u guys r telling me about in the game?
cuz i saw some mission's i can download from this website
so,are those campigan in the game or i need to download them from here?thx again 4 your time

FoolTrottel
01-15-2005, 02:10 PM
Both will do.
Some of the missions/campaigns are already in the game, others you can add via download.

'The New Guinea' campaign is in the game.
'Iwo Jima' as well.
The number of available downloads depends on if you have only PF, or the merged FB-AEP-PF. (For the latter there's more available)
When you download, make sure files get into the correct folders! (Usually there's a readme included)

You can start a campaign via 'Pilot Career'
For instance choose RN and you'll get the option to start at Iwo Jima, choose RAAF (Australian) will get you to New Guinea area.

Have fun!

hotspace
01-15-2005, 08:48 PM
Also if you want some quick action, go to these sites and download some of the Campaigns/Missions, m8:

http://www.airwarfare.com/index.htm

http://www.il2missions.com/

http://www.netwings.org/library/

Hot Space

Smidlee
01-15-2005, 09:16 PM
for practice use the quick mission builder with vulnerability and limited ammo turn off. Then I set it 1 vs 4 groups of 1-2 bombers in each group. I practice shooting and maneuering without worrying about being shoot down or running out of ammo (as well as targets).

Nostra135
01-16-2005, 02:01 PM
wow guys
u helpd me so muchhttp://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif
i'll be sure to check the sites u gave me and the tips[about quick mission builder and all that]
thx allot
sounds great!

DarkCanuck420
01-16-2005, 05:50 PM
You know flying an airplane, in the pacific, looking for action is a lot like women...



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VW-IceFire
01-16-2005, 10:37 PM
Not sure if it was suggested...but start with the Quick Mission Builder. Its easy (in seconds) to setup a mission to test some flying skills or gunnery or a quick attack on targets.

I spent and continue to spend much time here. Best main feature of the game aside from multiplayer and the full mission builder.

Nostra135
01-18-2005, 05:22 AM
lol man nice one...
btw guys
how the shooting thing working?
what's the distance that the gun can affectivly shot down enemys?
thx

Nostra135
01-18-2005, 05:23 AM
oh VW-IceFire man,didnt see ur post
thx allot 4 the tips.that mission builder is good

MGBurrows
01-20-2005, 10:49 AM
Nostra:
The closer the better, longer range sniping is commonly a waste of precious ammo. Of course, this matters a little on the weaponry your aircraft carries. A P-39 with its 37mm cannon can turn a target into confetti with one short burst at respectable ranges (I once blew a Stuka to kingdom come with one quick burst at nearly 500m from an Aircobra). Similarly, a Yak-9T with its 45mm cannon can accomplish similar things.
However, don't bet on it. Most actual fighter pilots will tell you to get as close as you can before firing. Erich Hartmann - the world's highest scoring fighter ace with 352 victories - always advised that. In fact, he got so close that on more than one occasion his 109 was crippled or downed when debris from his victim struck his 109.
I generally won't fire at something more than 300m off (Save for in cases where my aircraft is too slow to catch up and that 450m shot is all I'm gonna get...). That is where I have my weapon convergences set at. I prefer to get closer if I can.
Practice deflection shooting - shooting ahead of a turning target's flight path - as much as you can to learn where to lay your sights when leading your target as he turns. Avoid deflection shots if you can. However, in this game the odds of actually sneaking up on an AI pilot are negligible considering that they can see you through both clouds and terrain and - consequently - your odds of getting a straight shot at someone are small. You will need to learn how to shoot at defection angles. Be patient - at least as patient as you can be in a furball - and wait until you have at least a chance of getting lead on-target. You'll know your gunnery is coming along when you go from using-up every last round you have to gain one victory on the mission to destroying four enemy fighters with one load of ammunition.
I consider optimal firing range to be 100m or less.

e5kimo
01-20-2005, 01:16 PM
if you have FB+AEP+PF you could always start out with a campaign in europe.
thats what the game is best at imho.
always plenty of action ...