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x__CRASH__x
04-06-2005, 06:29 PM
Really no need for a PF forum on it's own. I would say a majority of our community flies the merge, and I would say that a majority of our community cares about every theater as a whole, rather than one specifc one. So it would make sense to me to just merge them and keep all the topics together, rather than having to bounce around so much.

jensenpark
04-06-2005, 06:33 PM
You are dead on...

It is a pain to flip back and forth between the two...

Von_Zero
04-06-2005, 06:34 PM
We have two separate forums so our PF-puritan friends can whine and moan every time a new dev. update that contains non-pto adition is posted.
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/784.gif

JG53Frankyboy
04-06-2005, 06:34 PM
the german ones merged , dont do it on the english one http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif
the forum went down in quality of topics, well, but actually, have we any quality http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

LStarosta
04-06-2005, 06:39 PM
I personally dislike the PF scene. The PF puritans are a bunch of imbeciles and freaks. Crying about Japanese Battleship this and Carrier Based Torpedo Bomber that.

WHO CARES?

x__CRASH__x
04-06-2005, 06:45 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by LStarosta:
I personally dislike the PF scene. The PF puritans are a bunch of imbeciles and freaks. Crying about Japanese Battleship this and Carrier Based Torpedo Bomber that.

WHO CARES? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
I actually care. I personally believe PF is a substandard productas a stand-alone without the additional torbedo bombers and ships as described. Plus it needs additional maps. But I think it's a good addition to the family of fronts offered in the merge. I'm disappointed that we won't be seeing any additional U.S. aircraft, so I try to focus my attentions on the Western Front.

x__CRASH__x
04-07-2005, 07:32 AM
bump for an Admin reply.

AWL_Spinner
04-07-2005, 08:38 AM
Been asking for this for months, it's long overdue.

WOLFMondo
04-07-2005, 08:43 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by x__CRASH__x:
Really no need for a PF forum on it's own. I would say a majority of our community flies the merge, and I would say that a majority of our community cares about every theater as a whole, rather than one specifc one. So it would make sense to me to just merge them and keep all the topics together, rather than having to bounce around so much. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I 100% agree but judging by some of the posts in the PF forum theres a fair few who do not.

Henkie_
04-07-2005, 08:53 AM
PF? What is that? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif

No thanks, not interested in PF http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

BBB_Hyperion
04-07-2005, 08:56 AM
The reason is simple. Special Users maybe able to post in both forums and can get almost double the feedback compared to 1 forum alone .)

crazyivan1970
04-07-2005, 10:09 AM
Working on it CRASH.

Chuck_Older
04-07-2005, 10:12 AM
...this is interesting to me still

The reason there are two forums is that they are two stand-alone sims

PF isn't an add on. So the folks that have just PF have their forum, relating to PF only issues

The folks that have PF merged, or who don't have PF at all, have their own forum

It's blindingly simple to me.

pettera
04-07-2005, 10:26 AM
Please merge the two forums.

An alternative is to make an IL2 forum, IL2FB forum, AEP forum, PF forum, an IL2FB+AEP+PF 3.04m forum, and an IL2FB+AEP+PF 4.0m forum for the bold ones that dear to use the new flight models whwn they arrive. Wouldn't that be great!

Petter

HelSqnProtos
04-07-2005, 10:36 AM
S~!

For all intents and purposes everyone plays merged. One community. One forum. All the rest is gheyness.

goshikisen
04-07-2005, 10:40 AM
If you look at the postings in the PF forum the vast majority have to do with PF. PF is the latest, standalone, offering from Maddox Games. It wouldn't make sense to take the spotlight away from your latest product... that is unless you'd rather just sweep it under the carpet and have people forget it.

It would be a rather odd move to remove the PF forum...

Crash, is this more leg pulling or are you serious?

LStarosta
04-07-2005, 11:07 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by pettera:
Please merge the two forums.

An alternative is to make an IL2 forum, IL2FB forum, AEP forum, PF forum, an IL2FB+AEP+PF 3.04m forum, and an IL2FB+AEP+PF 4.0m forum for the bold ones that dear to use the new flight models whwn they arrive. Wouldn't that be great!

Petter <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Wrong.

Chuck puts it in terms that everyone can understand. PF by itself is a standalone sim, not an add-on like AEP. It's not that hard to understand why it would require its own forum.

AEP and PF(m) are all continuations of Forgotten Battles. I hope you understand the difference with PF being a standalone sim, and AEP and PF(m) being add ons. Note the version numbers 1.0 = FB, 2.0 = FB+AEP, 3.0 = FB+AEP+PF. That's why your argument holds no water...

TheGozr
04-07-2005, 11:54 AM
I agree, merge it. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

goshikisen
04-07-2005, 12:49 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by LStarosta:
Wrong.

Chuck puts it in terms that everyone can understand. PF by itself is a standalone sim, not an add-on like AEP. It's not that hard to understand why it would require its own forum.

That's why your argument holds no water... <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

So your previous implied "argument" that the PF forum should be closed down because you don't like the so-called "PF scene" does hold water? Were you putting forth a valid argument to support crash's idea or just dumping gasoline on the fire he had started?

Again... practically every single posting that is in favour of this "close the PF forum" idea has some sort of Western front sig image, quote, or squadron reference. Gozr may have a Hellcat in his sig but he seems to be a rather large proponent of the Yak 9 so those 2 cancel out. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

CAPT_COTTON
04-07-2005, 12:55 PM
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Funny i looked and PF is merged with FB and AEP and the standalone was removed?????then put back and now HL has standalone on it http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/354.gif .Now i go buy pacific fighters for 40 dollars and cant fly it till i have bought the other three disks and merged it just so i will be as good as these people before me in these posts and they are the ones trying to land a mig on carrier and fight hellcats with me109s and etc. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif I bought MY first IL2FB disk in aug of 2003 and i have added on and patched with the best of them tooo and i want to fly the standalone and why do you ,who dont want to ?think that you should have it taken away just cause you dont like it why dont you just turn off your TV and not let your kids watch that junk? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif Good God if you dont like something go play revan shield or whatch tv and dont worry about us stupid flyers over there in a place you would not be caught dead in http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/351.gif

I will aways think it should have worked http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/10.gif

LeadSpitter_
04-07-2005, 04:53 PM
here here! Merge them no need to have the same exact posts here there and orr.

I just go to the PF forums to look at the screenshots section since most stopped posting them in FB GD

BaldieJr
04-07-2005, 04:59 PM
No merger!

I kinda like the bit of freedom we're afforded here.

HelSqnProtos
04-07-2005, 05:16 PM
PF= Addon for merged install. Delete the forum.

heywooood
04-07-2005, 06:09 PM
Seperate forums is a hangover from PF's glory days when Ilya sold a complete Pac.Theatre Sim. to us and Oleg...then somethings happened and some people bailed and then some other things occured etc....Now PF as a standalone product is only remotely true..and only thanks to Oleg picking up the slack and continueing to work on it long after he wanted to WRT BoB and deadlines for that.

Might as well merge the forums just as players might as well merge the FB/PF...its a no brainer.

You have PF? - GET FB GOLD...period.

goshikisen
04-07-2005, 07:09 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by HelSqnProtos:
PF= Addon for merged install. Delete the forum. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

A merged install = PF + FB/AEP. How can PF be an addon for itself?

Dolemite-
04-07-2005, 07:23 PM
Anyone who <span class="ev_code_YELLOW">only</span> owns PF and wont buy FB/AEP is nucking futs.

HelSqnProtos
04-07-2005, 08:07 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by goshikisen:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by HelSqnProtos:
PF= Addon for merged install. Delete the forum. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

A merged install = PF + FB/AEP. How can PF be an addon for itself? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


Give it up PF can never be considered a stand alone product. Join the 99.9% who fly merged and get over it.

goshikisen
04-07-2005, 08:56 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by HelSqnProtos:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by goshikisen:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by HelSqnProtos:
PF= Addon for merged install. Delete the forum. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

A merged install = PF + FB/AEP. How can PF be an addon for itself? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


Give it up PF can never be considered a stand alone product. Join the 99.9% who fly merged and get over it. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Give what up? I have the merged installation and have been flying the IL2 series since the first version hit the shops. I have no problem with a merged game but I sympathise with the people who do.

You're denying a certain reality here... PF was sold as standalone as an option. If I were a person who bought the game as standalone and then had a whole forum of people telling me that, in order to get the full experience, I'd have to go out and buy more product... I'd feel bamboozled. Pretty convenient for the developer if their clientele has to dish out more cash on top of their initial purchase to get something resembling a full product.

People can curse, moan, and merge forums all they want but it doesn't deny the fundamental reality of PF's origins. Oleg didn't have to release PF as standalone... as a matter of fact a great deal of the criticism would have been avoided if PF was released as the Add-on it is. The ironic thing is that a "merged" installation wasn't part of the original plan for PF (long time members of this community will remember the debate of "merge or not merge"). What would the game have been like if it was purely standalone and there was no fallback like "merge the game and it gets better"?

Telling people to stop whining and buy more product... that's not practical for everybody. It's exclusionary... kinda like the patch that's coming out that will predominantly benefit the merged players.

x__CRASH__x
04-07-2005, 09:13 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by goshikisen:
Crash, is this more leg pulling or are you serious? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
I am capable of making relevant threads, you know.

Merge em. Lets be one community who enjoy the many theaters. No need to segregate us.

heywooood
04-07-2005, 11:14 PM
bottom line - crash might just be capable of making relevant threads.....the horror.

lowfighter
04-08-2005, 03:19 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by x__CRASH__x:

Merge em. Lets be one community who enjoy the many theaters. No need to segregate us. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Judging from the replies to your post it looks like we DO segregate. Further, what puzzles me a bit is that the overall attitude of the pro-merge posters is rather unpolite to say the least. Not all of them though http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif
Anyway I would rather let PF forum as it is, it has a distinct personality and it does focus on rather PF-related topics.
And still hope that somehow PF stand-alone product will mature to what it should be (not so much for that, just a few more ships and maps)

commie1
04-08-2005, 07:58 AM
Purge the forums! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif

Er, I mean merge them, of course.

Silly me.

TgD Thunderbolt56
04-08-2005, 08:02 AM
merged = teh good

LStarosta
04-08-2005, 08:34 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by goshikisen:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by LStarosta:
Wrong.

Chuck puts it in terms that everyone can understand. PF by itself is a standalone sim, not an add-on like AEP. It's not that hard to understand why it would require its own forum.

That's why your argument holds no water... <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

So your previous implied "argument" that the PF forum should be closed down because you don't like the so-called "PF scene" does hold water? Were you putting forth a valid argument to support crash's idea or just dumping gasoline on the fire he had started?

Again... practically every single posting that is in favour of this "close the PF forum" idea has some sort of Western front sig image, quote, or squadron reference. Gozr may have a Hellcat in his sig but he seems to be a rather large proponent of the Yak 9 so those 2 cancel out. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Perhaps you should lay off your conspiracy theories and brush up on your critical reading skills. First of all, I don't understand your logic in alluding to my alleged anti-other-front bias due to my forum signature... Second, nowhere in this thread did I say I wanted the PF forum shut down. Shutting down the PF forum in essence merges the PF and FB+AEP+PF forums, because all the PF-whining has to end up somewhere. God knows I, and everyone else who shares my position, wouldn't want that.

blairgowrie
04-08-2005, 08:47 AM
I am for a merge.

Sharkey888
04-08-2005, 09:45 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by LStarosta:
First of all, I don't understand your logic in alluding to my alleged anti-other-front bias due to my forum signature... Second, nowhere in this thread did I say I wanted the PF forum shut down. Shutting down the PF forum in essence merges the PF and FB+AEP+PF forums, because all the PF-whining has to end up somewhere. God knows I, and everyone else who shares my position, wouldn't want that. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

You mean your NON-BIAS from the post below?!

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by LStarosta:
I personally dislike the PF scene. The PF puritans are a bunch of imbeciles and freaks. Crying about Japanese Battleship this and Carrier Based Torpedo Bomber that.

WHO CARES? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Not anything like the puritan freaks/imbeciles talking about ammo loads on a MG151/20or the cockpit view of the FW190??!! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

HelSqnProtos
04-08-2005, 10:00 AM
S~!

The merge should have happened long ago. It was because of the obstinance and turf protection of a particular moderator that it is still open. There is no logical reason to have two forums. We all play the same game. Merge them and get it over with.

goshikisen
04-08-2005, 11:08 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by LStarosta:
Second, nowhere in this thread did I say I wanted the PF forum shut down. Shutting down the PF forum in essence merges the PF and FB+AEP+PF forums, because all the PF-whining has to end up somewhere. God knows I, and everyone else who shares my position, wouldn't want that. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

What is your position? You're not in favour of Crash's idea of merging the forums but that didn't come across in your eloquently worded opening statement in this thread. You are obviously a person interested in Polish Air Force units of World War 2. I'm not even remotely interested in that subject but I'm certainly not going to slam you because of it or deny you the ability to ask the developers for additional related content.

You must be perfectly happy with the sim and have never ever been critical of anything about it... because only "imbeciles" and "freaks" would whine about perceived deficiencies in the product.

Name calling is just base and useless...

crazyivan1970
04-08-2005, 11:26 AM
Ok folks, look at the reality...
I understand that they are KIND OF two separate sims... but don`t foget the fact that absolute MAJORITY of the community has merged install. And regardless of what versions you have... it`s the same simulation with difference of planes. Look at the forums now... PF stays somewhat related to this sim while GD turned into OT forum.

I am in contact with Razz about this, we are still negotiation what will be the best for community. I say one happy General discussion for both, PF and FB. Everyone will benefit from it IMO.

Cheers!

TacticalYak3
04-08-2005, 11:39 AM
Many moons ago, even before PF was released, I raised the question about merging PF and FB+AEP into one forum. You know, kinda like the decision to have the ability to merge the game.

Anyway, it was stated that UBI wanted to provide its customers with a PF forum. OK, fair enough. So whether "we" migrate over to PF or "they" come over here I see no difference or harm, especially since "we"="they" for the most part anyway, right? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

True the forums are not our property but a courtesy to their customers, but I see no reason why such a merge could do anything but provide for better customer service.

TactS!

Capt_Haddock
04-08-2005, 12:00 PM
I'm up for a merge.

My guess is that only casual players (nothing wrong with that) would still play the standalone version of PF.

Anybody who is still visiting these forums must have already fallen to the temptation of flying all the other planes in the series, in the same way that I bough PF despite being a big fan of The Eastern Front http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

http://www.haddock.f2s.com/sig/F19bannerh2.jpg

Monty_Thrud
04-08-2005, 12:22 PM
No Ta!

Spitf_ACE
04-08-2005, 01:06 PM
No tea! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif

My heart goes out to you. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/heart.gif

LStarosta
04-08-2005, 02:46 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by goshikisen:

You must be perfectly happy with the sim and have never ever been critical of anything about it... because only "imbeciles" and "freaks" would whine about perceived deficiencies in the product.

<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I'm happy that you finally see things my way!

heywooood
04-08-2005, 06:28 PM
hehehe...

goshikisen
04-08-2005, 09:35 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by LStarosta:
I'm happy that you finally see things my way! <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Not quite. It's called sarcasm... critical reading skills might have assisted you with some simple deduction

You have never wished for some change or improvement in this series? I find that hard to believe. If I'm wrong then you're one happy guy but if I'm right you've got yourself a fine set of double standards.

Can you tell me what the purpose of your initial post was? You don't agree with Crash's idea of merging the forums so instead of voicing your opinion you take a couple cheap shots. Why? If you don't agree with someone's opinion why can't you afford them the same respect that you'd expect from them. There are too many people on this forum who resort to insults and name calling when someone thinks or does something that they don't agree with.

Let's just agree to disagree... I shouldn't have fallen for such an obvious troll.

Regards, Goshikisen.

HelSqnProtos
04-09-2005, 12:24 AM
The fanboys are everywhere.

Viking-S
04-09-2005, 01:00 AM
Absolutely NOT!

And make an English spoken European site, at least for BoB.

x__CRASH__x
04-09-2005, 01:30 AM
We also need a European spoken English site, for all the Peruvians!

MOH_MADMAN
04-09-2005, 02:35 AM
merge and the PF folks taste the whole deal and, more sales.!! and maybe better topics, lol...cold day in the dirt.
merge and form a complaints dept forum, hmm something like the pilots lougne, nicely disguised, its like setting out a stip of flypaper in the middle of a feed lot (painfull keeping it clean)
maybe itll work!

oh da mn that was done before....

LMAO at, hit it at the wingroot.
BBB Hyperonion
"The reason is simple. Special Users maybe able to post in both forums and can get almost double the feedback compared to 1 forum alone . "

LStarosta
04-09-2005, 05:47 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by goshikisen:
I shouldn't have fallen for such an obvious troll.

Regards, Goshikisen. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Indeed.

LeadSpitter_
04-09-2005, 07:36 PM
merge them.

x__CRASH__x
04-09-2005, 09:23 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by goshikisen:
...You don't agree with Crash's idea of merging the forums so instead of voicing your opinion you take a couple cheap shots... <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Did he take a cheap shot at me? I missed it. I read his posts, but any cheap shot was obviously too weak and lame to have registered on my meter. Usually I reserve it for people with an affinity for wit.

I'll have to go back and re-read them to try to detect any flame.

HotelBushranger
04-09-2005, 09:46 PM
The PF forum shouldn't be merged. I firstly started off with PF Standalone, and I thoroughly enjoyed the PF forum. It's very different from the GD Forum, it's not as serious, its more laidback. It has its own personality if you will.

I now have the Merged install, so I know what its like from both sides of the field. And for all those people who just say get merged, have you bothered to think it isn't that f***in easy?! The people who bought PF are relatively new to this series, and haven't had the years and years you have to get alll the games in the series. LAY OFF for christ sake! You guys act just a bunch of vultures, constantly harassing them. I really don't think they'll warm up to the idea of a merge with people like you here.

Even with the merge, my loyalty is with PF. It's a lot different (thankfully) and a lot more welcoming.

HelSqnProtos
04-09-2005, 10:05 PM
you talk as if someone gives a cr@p noob. What are u all of 14 ?

Henkie_
04-10-2005, 01:00 AM
Why not merge GD, ORR PF etc. all the forums together?

Then we get more replies to the posts, many more posters. Then we don't have to change from one forum to the other etc. Much quicker. Let's do it http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/59.gif

Also, I have Silent Hunter 3 on the same harddrive as FB and Pacific Fighters. Ok, so let's merge Silent Hunter 3 forums with the forums of FB and Pac. Fighters http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/53.gif

And don't forget the forum of Lockon also. Many who play FB have that one so merge that forums also with this one. It is ok, it is all Ubisoft.

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif

x__CRASH__x
04-10-2005, 01:23 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by HelSqnProtos:
you talk as if someone gives a cr@p noob. What are u all of 14 ? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
LMFAO! Who says this place isn't welcoming??

x__CRASH__x
04-10-2005, 01:26 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by HotelBushranger:
...I thoroughly enjoyed the PF forum...its more laidback. It has its own personality if you will. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
If you want laid back, try CWoS's IL-2/PF forum. Serious, yet fun! I'm not saying you have to give up this place. I haven't. But you may want to check it out.

http://www.acompletewasteofspace.com/forum