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SeaFireLIV
06-15-2005, 04:28 AM
I just took the new P38 for a test fly. I was expecting less torque, but I was amazed at what I found.

I set engine one going, then two... Ah, those engines make me feel safe.

It seemed to me there was no torque at all. I flew around carefully at first, then as my confidence grew I started chucking her about the sky, several times I felt the warning stall buffet, but never stalled.

I practised shooting the drums on the ground. The accuracy is incredible, the cockpit shook a little bit, but it never threw off my aim at all.

Finally, I came in for a landing and I felt so confident that I dropped her pretty hard - no problem. She hit the road and her turned her off to a stop.

This is the easiest plane to fly so far in 4.00. I have flown the Spit, I16, LA5, P40 fied mod, P40 and they don`t come close.

I thought the Spit was easy, but I stalled her a few times. This new P38 is like flying on rails. Maybe it`s cos I`m used to recognising and avoiding the stall signals.

The only slight trouble I had was on takeoff, basically she wouldn`t! I had too much trim up and she was literally dragging her tail. I also didn`t do any extreme dives with her.

I`ve heard people say that this is nearly all people fly on the servers and I`m not surprised because this has to be the new new guy`s plane. Surely.

I dunno whether this is realistic or not, but boy, she`s a dream to fly now that`s for sure.

And no, I`m not going to say that word. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Badsight.
06-15-2005, 04:45 AM
its a Hot Rod

& with a Wingman , as deadly as any other fighter now

the Late is like what you read about , & that is Awesome

SeaFireLIV , try this :

from a reasonable speed go totally verticle (keep it stright & true) on full power untill you slow to 100 Kmh , then with the plane & nose pointed stright up pull perfectly back on the stick & watch

its insane

JG54_Arnie
06-15-2005, 04:52 AM
And a sweet big target for the new 151/20 http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif yummy http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Yes, fly it more, fly it all the time!!!! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

SeaFireLIV
06-15-2005, 04:57 AM
Originally posted by JG54_Arnie:
And a sweet big target for the new 151/20 http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif yummy http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Yes, fly it more, fly it all the time!!!! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

No. I won`t be flying it more. I`m one of those guys who`s very particular to the type of aircraft I fly. It`s usually one of these I16, Hurri, Spit, LA5, P40, P39 and possibly the Brewster in the Pacific. Out of these the Spit and I16 are most flown.

I NEVER take a plane just cos it`s the easiest or `best`, I`m just not that mercenary. I take the plane that looks and feels right to me, even if it is inferior.

@Badsight.
I`ll try this.

JG54_Arnie
06-15-2005, 05:06 AM
http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif Aye, well it wasnt mainly pointed at you. More at the many guys that fly whats easiest. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Nice choice of planes I must say. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

jessi1
06-15-2005, 05:38 AM
2 second burst from my 151s and shes loosing parts all over the sky.

HoldSteady641
06-15-2005, 05:49 AM
Haven't got the 4.0 patch yet and I fly PF standalone, but I must say, the p38 disappointed a little in the handling, turning, e.g. maneuvrability. Off course, it's to be expected, it's not a single engine bird, but once you get caught in a low dogfight with an enemy you can't outrun, you're toast.
Then again, that's just part of the game, the aim of winning with a plane like the p38 is all about avoiding a turning match I guess, but when I wanted to leave the fight and get some air, it was rather slow to get out, bit shaky in the turning, like a bit unstable at speeds under 300 mph.
But when you are at a pretty altitude, under ful speed, it's a roaring monster, I agree!

TgD Thunderbolt56
06-15-2005, 05:53 AM
Well, the P-38 was, relatively speaking, somewhat easier to fly than many (or most) of the other high-performance birds at the time. Spacious cockpit, yoke/stick, counter-rotating props for reduced torque, high wing area, central pilot nacelle, nose mounted guns, redundancy (improved survivability) of 2 engines.

While not necessarily designed as a low altitude turn-fighter, the P-38 was a decent performer even in the hands of relative n00bs...and was fast. It's not surprising given the vast potential loadouts available, and raw speed that it will become a favorite of many.

I desperately WANT to like it, but the job it's best suited for in FB is concentrated, high-speed jabo and I just don't do enough of that outside coops.

TB

JG54_Arnie
06-15-2005, 05:56 AM
Its cool to fly as a fighter though? You dont have to go jabo with it? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif


Ofcourse, no torque finally helps tremendously in flying this baby. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

Flakenstien
06-15-2005, 05:57 AM
The 38 is what I fly 95% of the time and always will, the new 4.0 FM is awesome! The 38 always flew like a dream and now it flies even more like I would expect it to form my readings and seeing them perform in real life!
Yes the nose up trim when you start is extreme but as soon as you spawn a quick setting and your ready for take off.
As for the easiest plane to fly I dont agree, she is if you know how to use her to her ability but still far from uber.
Great work in my opinion!

HauptmannCrunch
06-15-2005, 05:59 AM
Don't forget nothing official has been released yet. I wouldn't get to comfortable with it.

Badsight.
06-15-2005, 06:00 AM
Don't forget nothing official has been released yet. I wouldn't get to comfortable with it. it would be a pity if they reduced its awesomness that it has in v400m

its good

SeaFireLIV
06-15-2005, 06:06 AM
Well, I`m finding it harder and harder NOT to like it! She`s insane.

I took her up for another flight, this time remembering not to drag the tail. I decided to fly hard turns as if she`s chasing a better turning aircraft. I did stall her, but she`s VERY easy to recover. In the worst stall I managed I simply powere down the engine and added opposite(you don`t even need to bother with this most times) and she pulls out easily even from under 2000ft. She`s very forgiving when stalling.

I tried Badsight`s fly high vertically to 100kmh then pull back. What the heck? She goes into some kind of weird flip over several times. Is this realistic? Again, after that fit she recovered easily enough. Something I really noticed with 4.00 was the way you could almost feel the aircraft recovering the air to stable out after a stall - I`ve never flown an aircraft, but it really felt like this plane was recovering back its air over the wings. Very pronounced feeling. Quite wonderful.

I am not going say anything stupid like `this can`t be real` because I don`t know, but I`m going to seriously start reading intenseively on the P39L. She`s an insane aircraft. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Recon_609IAP
06-15-2005, 06:10 AM
I'd actually say the zero is by far the easiest to fly in this game.

TgD Thunderbolt56
06-15-2005, 06:18 AM
Originally posted by Recon_609IAP:
I'd actually say the zero is by far the easiest to fly in this game.


Agreed. Tail up @ 80 Kph, liftoff @ 120 Kph, but that's always been the case. The Zero hasn't seen the changes in this version that the P-38 has though.


TB

BSS_CUDA
06-15-2005, 06:18 AM
Originally posted by jessi1:
2 second burst from my 151s and shes loosing parts all over the sky.

stupid statement of the day. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif everything comes in half with the 151's and 108's. I've been jumping headlong into furballs just trying to get a feel for how she compares, I've found she will turn with almost anything, I've also found that the G-6AS is every bit as fast as she is and turns ever bit as well, where the 190's have not gotten a speed increase with the new patch it seems that the 109's have. havent had the chance to fly much this week. but its looking like Mcquires rules for fighting with the 38 apply.

TgD Thunderbolt56
06-15-2005, 06:36 AM
Originally posted by BSS_CUDA:
... but its looking like Mcquires rules for fighting with the 38 apply.


What are they m8?

JG53Frankyboy
06-15-2005, 06:39 AM
Originally posted by TgD Thunderbolt56:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Recon_609IAP:
I'd actually say the zero is by far the easiest to fly in this game.


Agreed. Tail up @ 80 Kph, liftoff @ 120 Kph, but that's always been the case. The Zero hasn't seen the changes in this version that the P-38 has though.


TB </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
in 4.00BETAv6 the Zeros were nice http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif
they could turn above 300km/h IAS in that version http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

arcadeace
06-15-2005, 06:39 AM
Originally posted by TgD Thunderbolt56:
I desperately WANT to like it, but the job it's best suited for in FB is concentrated, high-speed jabo and I just don't do enough of that outside coops.

TB
I want to like it too, but I'm unable for serious dogfighting. She is one of my faves for attacking bomber formations and ground pounding, especially with V.4. The plane is a joy to fly.

BSS_CUDA
06-15-2005, 06:44 AM
Originally posted by TgD Thunderbolt56:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by BSS_CUDA:
... but its looking like Mcquires rules for fighting with the 38 apply.


What are they m8? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

- Never attempt combat at low altitude.
- Never let your airspeed fall below 300 mph.
- Never keep your wing tanks on in a fight.

he broke all 3 rules on his final mission, which cost him his life

BSS_CUDA
06-15-2005, 06:52 AM
it does seem tho that with the new patch the firepower in the 38 is MUCH more effective. with 3.04 I rarely took off wings, but with the new 4.0 I'm cutting planes in half regularly. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif its much nicer not having to pitch a tent behind a 109 or a 190 to get a kill, now I know how the lufty's feel with the 108's + 151's, you spend less time behind a contact so there is less chance of getting shot down

OldMan____
06-15-2005, 07:30 AM
Think you are wrong in one thing CUDA. FW has been benefited form this pacth much more than the bf109. The not always spin stall are quite iprovment for a plane like 190. It handles MUCh MUCH better now. It holds E much better.

FW lost quite lot of roll (now cliped spit rolls better.. lol) but the E retention got so much better than from all fights I had with spits.. only once I was nto able to turn the table upon him. Fw wont simply spin when on top of a loop when speed goes under 290 kph.

BTW. If G6/As is as fast as P38L late... well FW190 A9 is 13km/h faster than this bf109 :P

No plane, with exceptionof P38 got more bennefits from this patch than the FW190. Well maybe the P51 gets close.

Until now I was not outmaneuvered by any plane (easily). I got shot by one P38 (you CUDA) and shot 12 of them... I feel the FW now was to fly somehow different, but is very capable agiant P38 L late and stuff. The p38 is now for me the seconds enemy I fear most, (Mustang III too dangerous since it can decide when to fight too easily).

In non icons server the P38 has its advantage diminiehs since its big size becomes detection disadvantage.

Philipscdrw
06-15-2005, 07:46 AM
I used to love flying the P-38L in 3.04m. Because everyone else was in Spitfires. But now I'll have to find a new obscure aircraft to buzz around in.

Wait, no I won't. I only have internet for a couple of weeks, then it's back to the dark ages when I go home for summer.

F19_Ob
06-15-2005, 08:00 AM
Originally posted by SeaFireLIV:

This is the easiest plane to fly so far in 4.00. I have flown the Spit, I16, LA5, P40 fied mod, P40 and they don`t come close.



I also very much like the p38.
It doesn't feel that easy to me though.
The boosted ailerons just makes it ok at high speeds. and it doesn't stall and spin like before, but that has been toned down on all planes I tested so far , not just the p38.
So now it feels like an average fighter, compared to inferior in the earlier patch. (my opinion)(I mean inferior against german not japanese)

For me Spits and p40 and 109 handles better generally.
The gunnery however is a tiny bit harder in some single engined because of the torque but it wont affect my gunnery to any extent.
While p38 doesn't pull to the side like singleengined planes the nose sinks fast when declerating and lifts when throttling up unlike other planes, wich makes it hard to hit if u end up in a chase situation where u have to add or cut throttle often.
If I leave the throttle alone when pursuing and aiming-situations it handles ok though and the slight increase in horsepower enables the later variant to keep the turn going for a while longer.
The accurasy of the guns feels the same to me but the shuddering is gone and since one can pull a bit more it increased my airshooting opportunities a bit.
All planes now seem to recover faster from stalls and spins so there is no need to be so careful when pulling elevator in the p38 like before.

For me it seems that the small improvements made on the p38 made it precicely go over the threshold to be an ok (average) fighter and the one with bosted ailerons may now roll in situations where they earlier only could do one move and that was to pull elevator. That increases it chanses very much in both evasion and attack and should give it a better chance against german fighters although a 109 still will own it in many situations.

The spits to me felt easier than before (I just switched patches to compare) and I flipped easier in the earler patch. Same feeling with the 109 (tested G2-g6 mostly)
Perhaps people flip easier in the spit and other planes because they compensate the torque with opposit rudder while pulling elevator?? (in slow speeds that's particulary bad)
Dont know if thats the case here but I just tried that and it was much harder if one aimed to center the ball while pulling elevator.
I use the elevator only without rudder and that feels better than before.


I had expected the torque to have bigger impact
But it wont change my flying much. My twist rudder jolts the plane a bit more than before and takeoffs are marginally harder.

Well just some feelings so far. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

F19_Ob
06-15-2005, 08:11 AM
Originally posted by BSS_CUDA:
it does seem tho that with the new patch the firepower in the 38 is MUCH more effective. with 3.04 I rarely took off wings, but with the new 4.0 I'm cutting planes in half regularly.

Another thought.


The guns doesn't seem better than before. I just tested the cannons on both patches.
The handling on the plane is slightly improved and the stall is gentler, and the jolting is gone too.
I think that accounted for many misses before.
The p38 hispano also has more solid AP rounds than a german cannon and if one just hit with the solid and miss the exploding rounds very little damage may be done.
(can be seen in arcademode)
I my test the planes that needed around 10 cannonhits to go down was because I missed with the exploding rounds and mostly hit with AP rounds.
That type of thing likely was common when the plane jolted in earlier patch and the tiny bit worser handling caused a few more misses.

My feeling anyway.

BSS_CUDA
06-15-2005, 08:18 AM
I think that right now you have a sort of newness to the 38 so alot of ppl are flying it, but that will wear off, they will realise that it is still a difficult plane to master and will go back to the Spits or the MK III Mustangs, I've been getting shot down a little more than normal with it, but as I said I'm trying to learn its limits again and doing things I normally wouldnt do. I see TONS of ppl low and slow with it, thats just asking for trouble in a furball, in an isololation I wouldn't fear LnS against most A/C but not in a furball, the guns are soooo much better than they were in 3.04, I cut 6 plane in half last sunday 2 were FW's from almost a dead 6 http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif I hadn't cut a plane in half in months and I hit at an 8% clip so its wasn't my aim. I must say running down FW's is a new experience in a 38, couldnt do it before, and the D-9 is a handfull, without a doubt the most capable FW, even better than the TA from what I've seen. FW's still dont turn worth a darn tho http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

BSS_CUDA
06-15-2005, 08:22 AM
Originally posted by F19_Ob:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by BSS_CUDA:
it does seem tho that with the new patch the firepower in the 38 is MUCH more effective. with 3.04 I rarely took off wings, but with the new 4.0 I'm cutting planes in half regularly.

Another thought.


The guns doesn't seem better than before. I just tested the cannons on both patches.
The handling on the plane is slightly improved and the stall is gentler, and the jolting is gone too.
I think that accounted for many misses before.
The p38 hispano also has more solid AP rounds than a german cannon and if one just hit with the solid and miss the exploding rounds very little damage may be done.
(can be seen in arcademode)
I my test the planes that needed around 10 cannonhits to go down was because I missed with the exploding rounds and mostly hit with AP rounds.
That type of thing likely was common when the plane jolted in earlier patch and the tiny bit worser handling caused a few more misses.

My feeling anyway. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

well that might be it, but I'm cutting more planes in half then before http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/784.gif

F19_Ob
06-15-2005, 08:54 AM
Originally posted by BSS_CUDA:

well that might be it, but I'm cutting more planes in half then before http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/784.gif

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif Thats good.
I've heard that U are very good in the p38 and we just cant get enough of good p38 pilots who can show that it may count in a fight if flown well.
Would be great to see some of your online tracks with the p38 sometimes in the future.

Until this patch I've personally had only moderate success with the p38J against 109's (against japanese slower fighters its good)
I mainly flew on F16 (server when it was up) and GG ,but often I was alone flying it and outnumbered by a bit too many 109's on most sessions, wich isn't the best of conditions.
So good pilots who score with it are needed there to boost up the image of this interesting fighter.


regards http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

jessi1
06-15-2005, 08:56 AM
but with the new 4.0 I'm cutting planes in half regularly
2nd stupidest thing said today

BSS_CUDA
06-15-2005, 08:57 AM
Originally posted by jessi1:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">but with the new 4.0 I'm cutting planes in half regularly
2nd stupidest thing said today </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

jessi1
06-15-2005, 09:12 AM
All in good fun bss cuda, you got my respect cause i fly against you every night on warclouds and you are a good p-38 pilot. We have takin each other out on several occasions and will continue to do so. I love the p-38 also she is a great plane and one now to be respected even more. I love my g6as and my dora and must say i have to keep my eyes peeled for you and your fellow mates. salut to you. DEY_BLACK_RCT is my online name

OldMan____
06-15-2005, 10:11 AM
Originally posted by BSS_CUDA:
I think that right now you have a sort of newness to the 38 so alot of ppl are flying it, but that will wear off, they will realise that it is still a difficult plane to master and will go back to the Spits or the MK III Mustangs, I've been getting shot down a little more than normal with it, but as I said I'm trying to learn its limits again and doing things I normally wouldnt do. I see TONS of ppl low and slow with it, thats just asking for trouble in a furball, in an isololation I wouldn't fear LnS against most A/C but not in a furball, the guns are soooo much better than they were in 3.04, I cut 6 plane in half last sunday 2 were FW's from almost a dead 6 http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif I hadn't cut a plane in half in months and I hit at an 8% clip so its wasn't my aim. I must say running down FW's is a new experience in a 38, couldnt do it before, and the D-9 is a handfull, without a doubt the most capable FW, even better than the TA from what I've seen. FW's still dont turn worth a darn tho http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

I can reach black out instantly at any speed above 350 kph. And can keep blacking out it for full 360 turn. Any turning above that is complete loss of time for E fighting. Not a singe Spit was able to outturn me in first querter of turn since 4.0 And a quarter of turnwith new 151/20 is enough http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

FW is still inferior on defensive... but is very capable of shoting anything down on offensive since it can outturn anything on first instant at high speeds. And if you are not going to catch him you will notice it soon, and will be able to bug out.

Anyway. P38 L does not outrun FW. Test it side by side. FW190A9 reaches 600 kph on crimeia at SL while P38L gets to 590. They are same class speed.

faustnik
06-15-2005, 10:19 AM
FW's still dont turn worth a darn tho

And the day they do in PF is the day I stop flying them. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

If the roll rate of the Fw190 gets looked into, it will help a lot.

********************

Cuda,

You said you are playing games in some furballs, have you also tried the pure B&Z approach with the P-38 late? With all that power the zoom climb should be great! If the compression effects are better, the P-38 late should be the perfect B&Z weapon. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

BSS_CUDA
06-15-2005, 10:31 AM
Thats next http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif Like I said I'm trying to learn her all over again

BSS_CUDA
06-15-2005, 10:33 AM
Originally posted by jessi1:
All in good fun bss cuda, you got my respect cause i fly against you every night on warclouds and you are a good p-38 pilot. We have takin each other out on several occasions and will continue to do so. I love the p-38 also she is a great plane and one now to be respected even more. I love my g6as and my dora and must say i have to keep my eyes peeled for you and your fellow mates. salut to you. DEY_BLACK_RCT is my online name

you Dey guys are always a challenge, http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif even Fin who doesnt turn at all when he's defensive even when your blasting the **** out of him http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif

jessi1
06-15-2005, 11:03 AM
Salute to you and your squad, you guys are also a challenge and make warclouds the best of the best, we will meet again soon my freind and put pilot and plane to the test. Salute

LStarosta
06-15-2005, 11:25 AM
I'm surprised no one has talked about the P38L Late's climb. Try to pull a climb with no flaps and maximum angle of attack right after take off. You'll be fricken surprised.

BSS_CUDA
06-15-2005, 11:35 AM
has visions of Meat Loaf's "Bat outa hell" album, it will eat 51D's alive in a straight climb as well as every 190 san's the D. between 170 MPH and 180 MPH its a rocketship in a climb

AerialTarget
06-15-2005, 02:19 PM
WHEE HEE HEE!! AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH HAA HAA! I cannot believe I actually have a capable P-38! I am Aerial Target no longer! BEWARE! AHAHAHAHAHAHA!! Wheeeee! I take back most of the bad things I've said about Oleg!

This aircraft is man's finest invention, and Kelly Johnson is my hero. I've steadily flown it's poor, undermodelled representation in the game since day one, helplessly getting shot down again and again by aircraft that the P-38 would have flown circles around in real life. Now I finally have a version that's nearly up to snuff, and I'm not going to stop flying it just because everyone else is now flying it! Look out Lufties, Aerial is coming for you in his Thirty Eight!

OldMan____
06-15-2005, 06:10 PM
Originally posted by BSS_CUDA:
has visions of Meat Loaf's "Bat outa hell" album, it will eat 51D's alive in a straight climb as well as every 190 san's the D. between 170 MPH and 180 MPH its a rocketship in a climb

That is true, its sustained climb is very good.

But P38 is not that ruller of the sky as some say. It is a top nothc fighter, but nothing else.


Is a match for late FW and bf109, and is still "owned" by an La7 (that plane is hell good on everything)

Grey_Mouser67
06-15-2005, 06:35 PM
Been flying the L late alot since 4.0 was available and it is a very competitive plane without being uber...

It is reasonably fast...but not near fastest...I get about 580km/hr at sealevel on Crimea at noon.

Its guns don't shake so they do take 109's down with a single well aimed burst...Fw's are another story due to new DM but they are vulnerable too...again...strong weapons but not uber.

Perhaps the most pleasant suprise was its accelaration...I think it may be better than a Dora! I've dueled several Dora's and have beaten every one that I started even or with E advantage...as it should be!

The climb rate and angle of climb is phenominal...I haven't done testing so I don't know how it stacks up to the helicopters with wings (109's ;P) but it'll leave an Anton in the dust and spiral climbs will do in a Dora too and the Dora has a pretty darn good climb rate. Stall speed is still a little high imho so you can't out spiral climb a 109 unfortunately without a good E advantage.

In terms of turning...it is kinda hard to judge, but I have won and lost turning battles with 109K's so I figure the turn rates at low speed must be comparable...I can out turn a Fw and so far I've managed to out turn Dora's. At high speed, with the airbrake, you can out turn anything for a few seconds but blackout will occur and you'll lose precious speed.

And...with proper elevator and airbrake usage, you can B&Z up to 850km/hr...controls lock up maybe 50 km/hr faster now...but if you manage your speed and trim you do ok cause roll rate goes up and rudder inputs are still ok.

The plane is a joy to fly and I think we'll see many more online...The J model has benefited from the changes too but not so much as the L. The J is all the above without the climb and speed...but against Fw190A-5's and unboosted 109G's it should hold its own.

Probably the only thing left is to check the top speed of the J and further work on elevator authority at high speed and medium to low altitude...maybe we'll get that in the next itteration...right now I'm enjoying what we got!

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

SeaFireLIV
06-15-2005, 07:02 PM
Originally posted by SeaFireLIV:

I tried Badsight`s fly high vertically to 100kmh then pull back. What the heck? She goes into some kind of weird flip over several times. Is this realistic? Again, after that fit she recovered easily enough...

I still don`t understand this strange flip thing she does. It`s like mid-air cart wheeling. Is this realistic? Does no one wish to approach this point?

Well, I`m reading up on it so soon I`ll know...

AerialTarget
06-15-2005, 08:09 PM
I do not think that it is correct. None of my sources, including the pilot's handbook, ever mention anything of the sort. The early P-40, the ones without the extended fuselage, should do this, and should continue to tumble head over heels for ten thousand feet. However, that's the early P-40, and not the P-38 Lightning.

SeaFireLIV
06-16-2005, 02:38 AM
I appreciate the reply. Thnx.

Badsight.
06-16-2005, 03:54 AM
Originally posted by faustnik:
[You said you are playing games in some furballs, have you also tried the pure B&Z approach with the P-38 late? With all that power the zoom climb should be great! If the compression effects are better, the P-38 late should be the perfect B&Z weapon. *cough*K4saretheonlyplanebetter*cough*

the P-38 Late , i Lub it

"Homesick Angel" , oh how true

its just so much fun to fly now !

& as for the 109-Z , well lets just say ka-ching 200 points ty very much ! (ok its a hard fight/close match , but ill take the Late every time TY)

AerialTarget
06-16-2005, 05:19 AM
Oh, the imaginary Messershmitt Lightning want-to-be? I ate those for lunch even in the old P-38!