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ElAurens
10-22-2004, 10:52 PM
AVG fans need to go have a look here.

http://www.geocities.com/pentagon/quarters/9485/P-40C.html

A story about the real aircraft flown by the AVG, co authored by Eric Shilling. Here are some pertinent quotes:

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Allison was running at 100% capacity. Simply stated, there weren't any extra engines to be had. Every block and cylinder head was already allocated to an existing contract. But, wait a minute, there were plenty of rejected blocks, cylinder heads and such. Allison realized that most of the rejected engine components were usable if the various parts were hand matched and fitted. They set up a production line and began assembling these engines. Individual parts were reworked and carefully matched. The results of this procedure were engines built to very tight tolerances. Essentially, these were 'blueprinted' engines. Dyno tests revealed that they produced as much as 220 hp more than the production line V-1710-33s going into the RAF Tomahawks and USAAF P-40C fighters. Allison had produced some very powerful and very expensive engines. Fortunately they were allowed to bury the extra cost into contracts for U.S. aircraft. These engines certainly account for the performance of the AVG's Tomahawks. In general terms, the AVG fighters could pull up to 370 mph in level flight, which is reasonable considering that these aircraft had 20% more power and less weight than the British Tomahawk IIB.

Now that the Chinese had airframes and engines, they needed to purchase guns for the fighters. Once again, all production was allocated for existing contracts. Nonetheless, CAMCO (the China based front company) managed to purchase enough .50 caliber Brownings for all 100 Tomahawks. Finding .30 caliber guns (installed in the wings) was more of a problem. Eventually, the 100 Tomahawks were fitted with a mixture of guns. Some were fitted with 7.92mm caliber wing guns, others carried British specification guns in .303 caliber. Still others were armed with .30 U.S. caliber Brownings. This complicated logistics somewhat, but all three calibers were readily available, even 7.92mm, which was the standard for the Chinese Army.

Within the context of this knowledge, we can understand that the AVG fighters were a unique model. For that reason, Curtiss gave them their own special designation. Originally contracted for as the Curtiss H81-2A, these fighters were designated as the H81-3A. Many historians and authors have confused the various Curtiss designations, or figured that these were Tomahawk IIB aircraft based upon the serial numbers. We now know that these were a special model. It should also be noted that the serial numbers were assigned months before actual manufacturing began.
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r0bman
10-22-2004, 11:24 PM
wow... nice post. I was just commenting to my roommate what I'd give to fly a p-40... and I agree w/ the caption below that one pic that says "is there anything more beautiful?" gorgeous. Anyway, I think there's nothing more intriguing in history than the AVG, and we as respectful, loving WWII sim fans (and PF droolershttp://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif ) need to show that respect and make some KILLER campaigns. Who's down? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif (silly American college-kid slang for "who's with me?" http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif )

EDIT: we NEED a burma map http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

oh, and my avatar is so better than your avatar http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

mortoma
10-23-2004, 12:07 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by r0bman:
wow... nice post. I was just commenting to my roommate what I'd give to fly a p-40... and I agree w/ the caption below that one pic that says "is there anything more beautiful?" gorgeous. Anyway, I think there's nothing more intriguing in history than the AVG, and we as respectful, loving WWII sim fans (and PF droolershttp://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif ) need to show that respect and make some KILLER campaigns. Who's down? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif (silly American college-kid slang for "who's with me?" http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif )

EDIT: we NEED a burma map http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

oh, and my avatar is _so_ better than your avatar http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Would be nice to have a Burma map, but then we'd need Nakajima Ki-27 Nates and some of the older Japanese bombers to go along with it. Can we dream?????

r0bman
10-23-2004, 12:23 AM
hit this post, buddy... and get excited http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif
http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums?a=tpc&s=400102&f=26310365&m=3691092332

god I can't wait...

Chuck_Older
10-23-2004, 06:38 AM
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ElAurens
10-23-2004, 06:55 AM
r0bman...

LMAO.... My avatar was condensed somehow by UBI. It looks so much better in BlitzPigs forum. www.blitzpigs.com (http://www.blitzpigs.com) (Shameless promotion).

It warms my heart to see folks younger than myself show an interest in history, and the AVG/USAAF in particular. My father served in the Army Air Corps in WW2, and even though he did not go overseas or serve as aircrew, my younger days were filled with his pride in the Air Corps, and his storys about the planes he saw and people he met. One of the earliest toys I remember was a die cast P40.

And now a newer generation is still "playing" with P40s.

S!

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Chuck_Older
10-23-2004, 08:22 AM
El-

I'm lucky, my Dad was an History teacher while I was growing up. Books on WWII were all over the place at home. My first dangerous toy was one of those string controlled toy airplanes. Remember those? Had a little gas motor on it, and you controlled the elevators by means of a handle on the string attached to the plane. You spun around in a circle and the plane 'flew', at least from your point of view. My plane was AVG Hawk White 68 http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

While that was gone many years ago by now, I have another 1:18 scale AVG Hawk now. It doesn't fly, but maybe I can borrow a digital camera this weekend and take a pic

DuxCorvan
10-23-2004, 08:33 AM
ElAurens, you had to start this topic...

Now Chuck will move from his home to this thread, and stay living here forever... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

Chuck_Older
10-23-2004, 08:36 AM
Not forever. Only until I get the PF

DuxCorvan
10-23-2004, 08:38 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Chuck_Older:
Not forever. Only until I get the PF <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

That's forever, Chuck... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/34.gif

Chuck_Older
10-23-2004, 05:01 PM
Nah. Less than two weeks this time http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

But I think I may become the first official H 81A-3A whiner.