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Pirschjaeger
02-03-2006, 01:04 PM
I was going through my photo colection on one of my old drives. About a year and a half ago I decided to make some screenies. Didn´t know how so I simply made tracks and played them back slow, puased at the right moment and used Capturewiz to make them.

In these pics, I was practicing shooting in the A4. What a nice little plane. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

Also, take note of the tracers. I'm very conservative with my ammo. I never fire more that a quick burst. Ammo conservation is vital.

http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a198/FritzFranzen/002.jpg

http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a198/FritzFranzen/003.jpg

http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a198/FritzFranzen/004.jpg

http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a198/FritzFranzen/005.jpg

http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a198/FritzFranzen/006.jpg

http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a198/FritzFranzen/007.jpg

http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a198/FritzFranzen/008.jpg

http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a198/FritzFranzen/009.jpg

http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a198/FritzFranzen/010.jpg

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Flakwalker
02-03-2006, 01:20 PM
The FW-190 is a nice plane.
BTW, Hurri 2* have you on his gunsight http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

UberPickle
02-03-2006, 01:28 PM
Good stuff man, give us more!

Pirschjaeger
02-03-2006, 01:29 PM
Actually not. Look at my elevator. I was avoiding the debri. Less than a second after that pic, I pulled back hard on the stick and also killed Hurri#2. I barely avoided the debri the second time also. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

danjama
02-03-2006, 01:48 PM
You dont even fly online, what a waste http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif

SlickStick
02-03-2006, 02:03 PM
Originally posted by danjama:
You dont even fly online, what a waste http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif

Ah, interesting tidbit, if true. Pwning AI is like kissing your hot cousin. You can do it, but you'd never brag about it. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

I like the shot showing the La from the front and we see a nice grouping of ammo. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

Bremspropeller
02-03-2006, 02:05 PM
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

Well-said Slick ! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Pirschjaeger
02-04-2006, 01:23 AM
AI is great for target practice. That was the purpose of making those tracks. With acception to the Hurris, I was practicing not only snaps shots(bursts) but snap decisions. We all know the 190 isn´t the best for visability so when turn-fighting, many times you get a small window of opportunity.

I guess the best way to say it, is offline is more physical practice while online is more mental.

Online is got for tactical practice.

Fritz

AFJ_Skyghost
02-04-2006, 03:16 AM
Originally posted by SlickStick:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by danjama:
You dont even fly online, what a waste http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif

Ah, interesting tidbit, if true. Pwning AI is like kissing your hot cousin. You can do it, but you'd never brag about it. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif



I like the shot showing the La from the front and we see a nice grouping of ammo. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

he has an hot cousin? or do you have a hot cousin?? man we have to talk..... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

Feathered_IV
02-04-2006, 03:22 AM
Those default markings are filthy horrible things aren't they? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif
Download Il2 Mat Manager if you haven't already done so http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

SlickStick
02-04-2006, 09:37 AM
Originally posted by AFJ_Skyghost:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by SlickStick:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by danjama:
You dont even fly online, what a waste http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif

Ah, interesting tidbit, if true. Pwning AI is like kissing your hot cousin. You can do it, but you'd never brag about it. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif



I like the shot showing the La from the front and we see a nice grouping of ammo. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

he has an hot cousin? or do you have a hot cousin?? man we have to talk..... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

Pirschjaeger
02-05-2006, 06:38 AM
Deflection shooting! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif

Sorry, I´ve been, for days, trying to remember this term and it just came to me. The examples shown above, with acception to the hurri, are what you guys call "deflection shooting". Yes, no?

If so, we could turn this into a discussion about defection shooting and what methods each of us us to get the shot. This is my favorite way to hit the enemy. I can´t hit a plane from it´s 6. Such a waste of ammo.

Fritz

Fritz

LEBillfish
02-05-2006, 09:24 AM
Pirshjager, I didn't know you liked to fly the LA-5/7 and Hurricane so much due to your name and sig. No matter though, don't feel bad, it's tough against FW's as once they get a piece of you it makes it hard to continue on.

Just keep practicing, and soon you'll be shooting down those FW's instead of them you http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Pirschjaeger
02-05-2006, 06:20 PM
He he he, Lebillfish, I do sometimes fly them but not without a bag over my head. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

danjama
02-05-2006, 06:37 PM
Im great at deflection shooting! The 190 is one of the best planes for it, as long as you think one step ahead of your enemy....

Bearcat99
02-05-2006, 07:03 PM
Originally posted by SlickStick:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by danjama:
You dont even fly online, what a waste http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif

Ah, interesting tidbit, if true. Pwning AI is like kissing your hot cousin. You can do it, but you'd never brag about it. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif
</div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Why do some of you look down on offline play? As if the AI was so bad. It isnt. The AI in this sim is pretty darn good in fact... and if a person prefers to fly offline then why hit him with inuendo... as if the online pilots were the end all and be all. I fly online and offline and I enjoy both immensely. I find many online pilots to be easier than AI because they are more predictable in some respects... as in you know you can loose them or make them miss... they arent snipers, and they do make mistakes.. which you can look for and capitalize on.

SS you act like the AI are just abunch of drones... the AI in this sim is good... and if you can do well against them and get your hit percentage up then you can at least hold your own against live pilots. In many ways the AI is even a better opponent because you dont have to deal with lag and those issues.

LEXX_Luthor
02-05-2006, 08:30 PM
Well said Bear.

StrikeFighters AI is also good, although different. AI wingman behavior has better and worse points than FB/PF. One great thing, the SF AI follows ground terrain very closely, and almost always successfully. Even steep terrain unless the aircraft speed/climb performance simply won't allow it and THAT says alot. What's neat, it does this even with mountainous maps that I make myself. I was also surprised that the ground mapping radar picks out mountains...even on maps that I make myself from the sat data. Amazing stuff for a "lite" sim. Blows me away it really does the things computer air sims allow us to do and see.

biggs222
02-05-2006, 08:36 PM
Hey Pirschjaeger, i noticed the 1/2 and 1/4 time scale.... you werent using "bullettime" to make those "short accurate bursts" find their mark now would you? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Max.Power
02-05-2006, 09:00 PM
He was using it in Ntrack playback mode to slow down time so that he could have the best opportunity to take the most exciting screenshots... if I'm not mistaken.

So, he was using the time compression for 'shooting', but not for guns http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Pirschjaeger
02-06-2006, 05:25 AM
Your right Max Power, I took those shots from a track.(notice the timer in the corners) Since we cannot rewind a little, it´s the best way to pic out the best shot or moment.

In regards to what BC said, I wonder how many fight offline against AI aces? Then, if they try this, how many AI aces? For those who think they are good, here´s a little test;

Fly your favorite plane in QMB against 4 fairly equal enemy planes. Make sure they are AI aces, no advantages, and 3000m. Best results, Moscow map.

Once you beat them, double the amount of enemy AI aces so you with have to kill 8 planes, but this time you can use unlimited ammo.

Next, 12 AI aces and unlimited ammo.

Then finally 16 AI aces, unlimted ammo, and track.

Then you are good.

Last time I flew online it was a "cake walk" compared to what the AI can put you through. I was also asked to leave because in a very short time I shot down 4 109G2´s in my G2. (It was 109 vs 109d-fight).

I went back to shooting at ai pilots who can turn a plane faster than you, somehow defy physics many times, and every so often, become snipers. Another advantage to offline play is that I can control the planesets. No balance in my game. I like 190a4 against late war planes.

Fritz

Feathered_IV
02-06-2006, 05:57 AM
Originally posted by Bearcat99:


Why do some of you look down on offline play? As if the AI was so bad. It isnt. The AI in this sim is pretty darn good in fact... and if a person prefers to fly offline then why hit him with inuendo... as if the online pilots were the end all and be all. I fly online and offline and I enjoy both immensely. I find many online pilots to be easier than AI because they are more predictable in some respects... as in you know you can loose them or make them miss... they arent snipers, and they do make mistakes.. which you can look for and capitalize on.

SS you act like the AI are just abunch of drones... the AI in this sim is good... and if you can do well against them and get your hit percentage up then you can at least hold your own against live pilots. In many ways the AI is even a better opponent because you dont have to deal with lag and those issues.

Well put http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif.
Perhaps those who under rate offline AI are only using it with difficulty set on low to average levels. The AI dosen't really have a chance to show what it can really do until you crank it up to veteran at the very least. Even better on ace.

My favourite offline exercise at the moment is to have 12 Ki-61's vs 12 Spitfire MkVc's going at each other at 7000m. Pacific Islands map, weather set to rain/snow and all aircraft on ace. Certainly gets the blood pumping a damn site more than all those online Benny Hill chase sequences http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

nakamura_kenji
02-06-2006, 06:04 AM
damn site more than all those online Benny Hill chase sequences

hum song catch the pigeon online version catch the p-38 >_<


find AI much good shot compare many online

JSG72
02-06-2006, 08:45 AM
Mmmm.....
Better fun also. If you Toggle OFF those Inflight ICONS!
Have on occasion referred to Map,Icons though.

Jumoschwanz
02-06-2006, 12:44 PM
The real artists in this sim are the ones who can make a shot at a foe from any angle with the cockpit-on. If you can only make a shot by getting on someones tail and pulling-lead, you will never be a top pilot in this sim.


Originally posted by Bearcat99:

Why do some of you look down on offline play? As if the AI was so bad. It isnt. The AI in this sim is pretty darn good in fact...

SS you act like the AI are just abunch of drones... the AI in this sim is good...

You can use AI to practice for online full real servers if you remeber one thing; it is at least four times easier to win a dogfight with an ace AI than it is to shoot down a real online ace.

So in QMB, set yourself up against AT LEAST four opponents, and if you can regularly defeat all four of them, then you will be merely average online. I can defeat four ace opponents in QMB every time on full real settings, but defeating just one online ace is much more of a challenge.
The best practice for online 1 vs 1 is online 1 vs 1.

I do use flying offline to practice hitting targets from a great advantage of speed and alt. and flying around vs 16 opponents while you are invulnerable can give you a lot of target practice to get your gunnery on, but AI can never come up with the moves and manuevers I have seen guys use online.

So yes AI has it's uses for gunnery practice and such, but if you are feeling good because you can defeat an ace AI regularly, don't. If you don't believe me, invite me into a 1 vs 1 sometime and tell me if I am harder to shoot down than ACE AI.

Jumoschwanz

SlickStick
02-06-2006, 01:06 PM
Yikes, this place is a bit on edge lately, eh?

Where is the tongue-in-cheek smiley when you need it? It was just a tease, not an elitist comment. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif

As for commenting on AI, the only thing I find them useful for is testing plane's abilities. I'll set-up 4 Ace La7s or Spits or 109s or FWs and try to beat them with one of the different planes. This way I learn the tactics required to beat each of the big fighters online.

The AI are exactly predictable in just about everything they do, they will almost fly straight and level until engaged, do the same evasive maneuvers and their firing window is very easy to stay out of.

However, my initial intent was but a small jab and very light-hearted in it's intent. I shall endeavor to be much clearer in the future. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Pirschjaeger
02-06-2006, 03:03 PM
Don´t worry about it. It´s just patch fever I guess. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Depending on your skill level, the AI can be very beneficial. But there comes a point where you cannot learn anymore from the AI, other than polishing your gunnery. This is what AI are great for. You can predict there movements, therefor knowing basically where his path will lead him. You simply cut him off at the past.

Those two tracks I made were simply practice for my gunnery and in particular deflection shooting. The first pic, wher I´m shooting the La from directly above was exactly what I wanted. Most people practice shooting basically horizontally. I had noticed before that so many miss windows of opportunity. Most pilots in that position will try to dive in on the enemy's 6.

My other goal was to take out the enemy with as little ammo as possible. Short bursts are all I ever fire and I don´t want to have to do it twice.

In the last pic, with the hurri, I was practicing headon shots, but not when we first meet. I narrowly avoided the debris from the first and was able, using the elevator and full rudder, tear apart the second plane as he passed.

The 190 is not so good for deflection shooting since the visibility isn´t the best. Therfore, the need for lots of target practicing with AI.

Fritz

Xiolablu3
02-06-2006, 05:01 PM
Thanks for the pics http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Deflection shooting is shooting ahead of the target so that your bullets and him 'meet' in the air.

If this is what you are doing in the pics then , yes!, this is deflection shooting. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif (its hard to tell in stills).

The La5 shot has to be deflection shooting.

Jumoschwanz
02-06-2006, 07:34 PM
OMFG!

Deflection shooting is when you fire your guns at the right moment so a plane flying a different path than yours flies through the stream of bullets.

Leading is when you are following an opponent in a curved flight path and have to aim ahead of him to hit him. So Xiolablu3 is full of s h i t.
For g ods sake read some F*(cking books!


Jumoschwanz

dravisar
02-06-2006, 08:00 PM
Originally posted by Jumoschwanz:
OMFG!

Deflection shooting is when you fire your guns at the right moment so a plane flying a different path than yours flies through the stream of bullets.

Leading is when you are following an opponent in a curved flight path and have to aim ahead of him to hit him. So Xiolablu3 is full of s h i t.
For g ods sake read some F*(cking books!


Jumoschwanz

How about for gods sake...chill?

No reason to be so harsh, relax man...and preferably, think before berating someone. You dont need to read a book to know what deflection shooting is...just grab a dictionary:
Main Entry: deflection
Pronunciation: di-'flek-sh&n
Function: noun
1 : a turning aside or deviation from a straight line

Meaning: Deflection shooting is firing your guns at a target that isnt moving in the same exact plane of travel that your aircraft is. Leading is the exact same as defection, except in the case of when you are on the exact six of your target, where you are firing above or below the target so your rounds hit him.

Both of your descriptions of it were correct.

Personally, id say EVERY time you pull the trigger it qualifies as deflection shooting, except when the target is in the exact point where your rounds will intersect your sight aiming point.

jasonbirder
02-07-2006, 01:21 AM
OMFG!

Deflection shooting is when you fire your guns at the right moment so a plane flying a different path than yours flies through the stream of bullets.

Leading is when you are following an opponent in a curved flight path and have to aim ahead of him to hit him. So Xiolablu3 is full of s h i t.
For g ods sake read some F*(cking books!

Classy...real classy!

Pirschjaeger
02-07-2006, 04:18 AM
Jumo, my explaination , as I posted earlier, is firing in to the path of the enemy plane so you cut him off at the pass. So now we have three different ways of saying the same thing.

You should read a little slower. Xiolablu said basically the same thing you said, only in a different way. Gotta love English, eh? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

Fritz