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Chef-Scott
06-12-2006, 11:32 AM
Any time frame? I see that at RGR it is still in Beta.

Chef-Scott
06-12-2006, 11:32 AM
Any time frame? I see that at RGR it is still in Beta.

Brain32
06-12-2006, 12:02 PM
S..tt.urmoviks over what? What is that, some kind of add-on? I thought it's only rumors...
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jurinko
06-12-2006, 12:49 PM
very soon. fact.

VW-IceFire
06-12-2006, 03:09 PM
Sometime between now and later.

GerritJ9
06-12-2006, 03:18 PM
First, it has to be released in Russia, and there is no mention of it on the 1C website yet. Next, after release in Russia on a date as yet unknown, 1C/RRG will send the files to UBISoft, who will then require two to three weeks to Boontyize http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-mad.gif the package before releasing it to the rest of the world.

Waldo.Pepper
06-12-2006, 05:47 PM
My Spidey senses tell me the following has some merit to it.

I think that the last few updates/patches/releases for the Il2 franchise will be used to keep up interest in Oleg's BOB. To that end... I reckon they will be evenly spaced out until BOB gets released.

Therefore; for every delay that BOB suffers, these add ons will be delayed also to parcel them out in a timely manner to enhance marketing.

J_Weaver
06-12-2006, 07:51 PM
Here goes since no one else has said it:

Two weeks, be sure. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/53.gif

Flying_Nutcase
06-12-2006, 11:28 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Waldo.Pepper:
My Spidey senses tell me the following has some merit to it.

I think that the last few updates/patches/releases for the Il2 franchise will be used to keep up interest in Oleg's BOB. To that end... I reckon they will be evenly spaced out until BOB gets released.

Therefore; for every delay that BOB suffers, these add ons will be delayed also to parcel them out in a timely manner to enhance marketing. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Ubi has proven to us pretty well that that are less than experts in the marketing area. To think that they actually have a grand marketing plan for the add-ons may be giving them a tad too much credit.

Just a thought.

crazyivan1970
06-13-2006, 08:34 AM
Everything is fine folks. You will get your addons, no worries. Ok?
Oleg is very busy now with BOB, when he has time he will drop by and give you heads up on what`s coming down the pipe, ok? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Cheers!

Capt.LoneRanger
06-13-2006, 03:42 PM
Dunno, maybe somebody can explain this to me but, ehm, are you all bored with the many planes we have now, or why are there 2 dozen threads over 3 forums with demands and questions when we will get this addon? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif

And if you are, why don't you just give the man some time to work on BoB?

VW-IceFire
06-13-2006, 03:59 PM
They must all be experts in the 160 flyable aircraft types.

People get all worked up about the next thing down the pipeline and forget to appreciate what we already have.

Oz_Canuck
06-13-2006, 09:53 PM
Yeah, I'd like to fly the planes and maps we already have...I think it will take me many years to do that at my present pace..although I do like new stuff, too...it's almost too much! (almost...)

actionhank1786
06-14-2006, 01:38 AM
I miss the days when a game that came with 8 stock planes, and was pretty much left for dead by the original developer was ok.
Now, you give 'em an inch, and they want 30 miles.
I'm all for the manchuria add on, but seriously people, are you really bored with the planes we have now!?
Go master take off and landing in them all, do something, just stop asking the same thing in a different thread everyday.

GerritJ9
06-14-2006, 05:31 PM
It's not a question of being bored with the present offerings we have in FBPF. However, my main interest lies in the 1941-42 Malaya-Singapore/Philippines/Netherlands East Indies/Burma theatre, and several of the aeroplanes scheduled for "Sturmoviks over Manchuria" were extensively used by the I.J.A.A.F. in these areas (Ki.21/27). So these are eagerly awaited and, I strongly suspect, not only by me!

ElAurens
06-14-2006, 08:29 PM
Ki-27 is new best.

Be sure.

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joeap
06-15-2006, 06:20 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by actionhank1786:
I miss the days when a game that came with 8 stock planes, and was pretty much left for dead by the original developer was ok.
Now, you give 'em an inch, and they want 30 miles.
I'm all for the manchuria add on, but seriously people, are you really bored with the planes we have now!?
Go master take off and landing in them all, do something, just stop asking the same thing in a different thread everyday. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Agree with you 110% btw you can change your sig now. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Fox_3
06-15-2006, 05:08 PM
Posted by Ian Boys over at Simhq.

SoM release is imminent but has had to be put back 48 hours because we found some last minute issues only visible in certain game settings. Bear with us, it really is just around the corner and looking terrific.

RamsteinUSA
07-12-2006, 04:30 AM
April Fools!

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Fox_3:
Posted by Ian Boys over at Simhq.

SoM release is imminent but has had to be put back 48 hours because we found some last minute issues only visible in certain game settings. Bear with us, it really is just around the corner and looking terrific. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

JG52Uther
07-12-2006, 05:30 AM
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/touche.gif OK we surrender! Can we have SoM now please?

ElAurens
07-12-2006, 05:32 AM
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

WTE_Tigger
07-12-2006, 05:59 AM
Awwww C'mon Ivan, -pout- you said it was close three weeks or more ago http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif Like others i was considering doing a early war China-Burma-India scenario mission this week and just had to give up. No point without the two pending Ki's.

Crickey i must be getting soft I actually believed somthing somone said! What was i thinking!

RRG Needs a forum so we can all hang round there and pout and stomp our feet and generally make a nuisance of ourselves http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Chuck_Older
07-12-2006, 09:48 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by ElAurens:
Ki-27 is new best target.

Be sure.

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I agree

ElAurens
07-12-2006, 10:34 AM
Chuck, you know as well as I do that online it is all to easy to trick the P40 drivers into a turnfight.

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Chuck_Older
07-12-2006, 01:17 PM
they must be AAF trained http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

RAF238thKnight
07-12-2006, 01:28 PM
dnt need planes just maps: sicily norway and burma.

Knight

lbhskier37
07-12-2006, 02:41 PM
hmm could be a fun weekend. Harley Davidson releases info on the 07 models on Saturday, and may also have a new addon to play with.

GerritJ9
07-12-2006, 03:01 PM
Don't count on it- it has to be released in Russia first and there was nothing on the 1C website this afternoon. Usually 1C announce the release about 1 week before the actual date of release in Russia and the rest of the FSU. Then UBI will have to spend 2-3 weeks adding Boonty before we see in released for the rest of the world.

VMF-214_HaVoK
07-12-2006, 03:05 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by GerritJ9:
Don't count on it- it has to be released in Russia first and there was nothing on the 1C website this afternoon. Usually 1C announce the release about 1 week before the actual date of release in Russia and the rest of the FSU. Then UBI will have to spend 2-3 weeks adding Boonty before we see in released for the rest of the world. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I dont believe there is a rule that 4.06 or 4.07 has to be released in Russia first. Most likely we will get it the same time. And to my knowledge UBI has nothing to do with the Russia market, it is 1C that publishes this series in Russia. From what I gathered 4.06 has been done for some time and UBI is sitting on it. Since more probably pirated Pe-2 then paid for it I imagine they are working on a way to secure it more effectively. IMO

crazyivan1970
07-12-2006, 03:44 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by WTE_Tigger:
Awwww C'mon Ivan, -pout- you said it was close three weeks or more ago http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Actually at this point i have no clue what is holding off release. And yes, it`s been over a month http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/compsmash.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/touche.gif

hotspace
07-12-2006, 04:05 PM
If you don't tell us, I will tell your mother that you spam these forums at night on your own http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

faustnik
07-12-2006, 04:15 PM
http://pages.sbcglobal.net/mdegnan/_images/mob.jpg

mandrill7
07-12-2006, 04:18 PM
The reason for the delay is obvious:

Oleg is waiting for us all to quieten down and behave ourselves. We'll get 4.06 when we deserve it.

crazyivan1970
07-12-2006, 04:21 PM
Actually Oleg is waiting for its release himself hehe

hotspace
07-12-2006, 05:09 PM
If that's the case, we will see it sonner then http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

WTE_Tigger
07-12-2006, 05:32 PM
See Fella's told you we need a forum over at RRG Studio's, nothing like an angry desperate mob to get them moving http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

I am quite looking forward to pitting Ki27's and 21's against Buffeloes, and Early P40B's and the odd Hurricane in a Rangoon, Burma scenario

crazyivan1970
07-12-2006, 06:35 PM
MG and RRG studios submitted 406 a long time ago... since then UBI is the place that is in control http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

JG53Frankyboy
07-12-2006, 07:28 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by lbhskier37:
hmm could be a fun weekend. Harley Davidson releases info on the 07 models on Saturday, and may also have a new addon to play with. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

already having this

http://www.franky.fliegerhospital.de/Harley-rechts.jpg

but still waiting for this

http://www.ijaafpics.com/JB&W2/Ki-27-25s.jpg

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Lewicide
07-12-2006, 07:29 PM
Ivan, perhaps you might know....

I don't run XP but boonty requires XP,

do you know if they have come up with a way of getting the add-ons to people who run the original game specs?

cheers

Wingstrut_1
07-12-2006, 08:52 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by crazyivan1970:
MG and RRG studios submitted 406 a long time ago... since then UBI is the place that is in control http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

UBI is probably having their lawyers track down any factories in Manchuria or Japan that help produce the Ki-21 or 27 to see if there are any trademark issues. Although last I knew China did not seem to care too much about trademarks,copyright...lol.

BBB_Hyperion
07-12-2006, 09:42 PM
So how long it takes to include boonty and make posted hacks ineffective ?

Frequent_Flyer
07-12-2006, 10:05 PM
We could use some excitement around here. Interest seems to be waneing based on the tenor of these boards of late.

Flying_Nutcase
07-12-2006, 10:58 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Frequent_Flyer:
...Interest seems to be waneing based on the tenor of these boards of late. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I was thinking how everyone is in surprisingly good spirits.

It does make your wonder how the masssive SoW can be released in November though with all the delays to little 'ol 4.06. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif

Frequent_Flyer
07-12-2006, 11:12 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Flying_Nutcase:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Frequent_Flyer:
...Interest seems to be waneing based on the tenor of these boards of late. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I was thinking how everyone is in surprisingly good spirits.

It does make your wonder how the masssive SoW can be released in November though with all the delays to little 'ol 4.06. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE> Seems to be fewer posts.

WTE_Tigger
07-13-2006, 12:03 AM
Well Golly Gosh...

SoW is being made by Oleg... with all his resources... 4.06 and 4.07 are RRG Studio's (and Ubi tampering with it) so I guess comparing issues with one and the other is kinda pointless since they are not being made by the same crew...

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ElAurens
07-13-2006, 05:26 AM
I think it's time Oleg got a new publisher for the rest of the world.

Honestly.

Choctaw111
07-13-2006, 06:38 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by ElAurens:
I think it's time Oleg got a new publisher for the rest of the world.

Honestly. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I think that you are absolutely right! I was saying this the other day in another thread. How many people know about SoW:BoB or Il2 outside of this community or the combat flight sim community in general? Before I really start ranting about this I think that I should start a new thread...

crazyivan1970
07-13-2006, 09:59 AM
I think you absolutely wrong. I dont want to sound like UBI fanboy, but even with all mistakes and delays, they are supporting this small market product. You got your russian addons, well at least started to get them SLOWLY. You dont know what`s good or bad for IL-2 and you dont know if new publisher could be the end of the line, instead of progress. Slamming UBI is very common around here, but did anyone bother to look at bigger picture? 5 Years folks, 5 years.

VW-IceFire
07-13-2006, 10:23 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Choctaw111:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by ElAurens:
I think it's time Oleg got a new publisher for the rest of the world.

Honestly. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I think that you are absolutely right! I was saying this the other day in another thread. How many people know about SoW:BoB or Il2 outside of this community or the combat flight sim community in general? Before I really start ranting about this I think that I should start a new thread... </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
IL-2 is well known and nobody needs to know about Storm of War yet because its not yet ready for release. IL-2 has won awards...ask in a general forum for a good flight sim game and IL-2 always comes up. Ubi isn't that bad...they've made some stupid decisions here and there but if this were EA the game would be sunk and we'd never see anything else again. Not many publishers persue the flight simulator market and fewer are willing to support it over the course of its lifespan. I THINK that Ubisoft realizes that they have some ravenous fans and that they have the only show in town so its not a bad bet to keep this series in their portfolio...I think it increases their credibility for serious war games as they have a whole collection of games like the original Ghost Recon and Rainbox Six games in their pocket that are considered serious war games. Having IL-2 just bolsters that...I hope that Storm of War captures an even larger audience and draws them in. I hope Storm of War is developed to be easier for entry for new players...particularly as time goes along we get additional addons like with this series.

ElAurens
07-13-2006, 10:34 AM
I do applaud UBI for supporting a niche product for so long. It just seems that of late things have gone very poorly.

Ivan, you know me. I am a big fanboi of this sim, and I'm proud to admit that. I just want what is best for Oleg, and the community, so we can continue to enjoy our little addiction well into the future. If that means staying with UBI, then fine.

It's all good mate.

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Choctaw111
07-13-2006, 11:41 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by VW-IceFire:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Choctaw111:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by ElAurens:
I think it's time Oleg got a new publisher for the rest of the world.

Honestly. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I think that you are absolutely right! I was saying this the other day in another thread. How many people know about SoW:BoB or Il2 outside of this community or the combat flight sim community in general? Before I really start ranting about this I think that I should start a new thread... </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
IL-2 is well known and nobody needs to know about Storm of War yet because its not yet ready for release. IL-2 has won awards...ask in a general forum for a good flight sim game and IL-2 always comes up. Ubi isn't that bad...they've made some stupid decisions here and there but if this were EA the game would be sunk and we'd never see anything else again. Not many publishers persue the flight simulator market and fewer are willing to support it over the course of its lifespan. I THINK that Ubisoft realizes that they have some ravenous fans and that they have the only show in town so its not a bad bet to keep this series in their portfolio...I think it increases their credibility for serious war games as they have a whole collection of games like the original Ghost Recon and Rainbox Six games in their pocket that are considered serious war games. Having IL-2 just bolsters that...I hope that Storm of War captures an even larger audience and draws them in. I hope Storm of War is developed to be easier for entry for new players...particularly as time goes along we get additional addons like with this series. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I must admit that I had not thought of it in that light before. It does make sense in that perspective about UBI holding on to Il2 as long as they have. I am just glad that I am not a narrowminded SoB and am willing to look at things from ALL angles.

carguy_
07-13-2006, 03:30 PM
Right on Ivan,Ubi dropped Starforce too.

They take forever to assemble a patch/upgrade,don`t inform the users,took away the Pilots` Lounge but they did a contribution to all this stuff we got.

knightflyte
07-13-2006, 07:08 PM
Pilot's Lounge was one step from a town meeting with clubs and stones.

After 9/11 and the incursion into Afghanistan/Iraq it got very ugly in there.

goshikisen
07-13-2006, 09:00 PM
On June the 15th the RRG Studios website instructed us to "Watch for new screenshots from Manchuria next week!". A month later and nothing yet. Has development of SoM stalled?

Viper2005_
07-13-2006, 09:20 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by crazyivan1970:
5 Years folks, 5 years. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

We have a time frame! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif

I think that it's a fair bet that the addon will arrive within said timeframe (which is more than can be said for the traditional "2 weeks"!).

w00t!

On a more serious note, whatever your views on ubi, IL2FB+AEP+PF+PE2 is streets ahead of the competition IMO. Ubi have distributed it. The other software houses haven't.

Perhaps it is significant that we don't even bother to complain about them...

Having said that, the one thing which I don't understand about this whole business is that no matter how busy everybody associated with IL2 is, it doesn't take more than 5 minutes to write a post of this length. As such, I don't understand why we can't get more frequent updates.

If ubi want to post in French, or Oleg wants to post in Russian, that shouldn't be a problem, since I'm quite sure that forum members would be happy to translate such posts for those of us (like me) who are somewhat limited in linguistic skills.

5 minutes a week spent posting updates would make for a much less frantic forum, and overall much happier customers. We like to be kept in the loop.

Blottogg
07-13-2006, 10:31 PM
Fans that we all are of this series, I think our interest creates something of a bottomless information pit. No matter how many updates Oleg and crew could post, they'd have to go a long way before any of us cried "uncle". They certainly haven't reached that point with me.

That being said, it's only been three days since the latest Oleg interview (with pics) was posted at SimHQ. That more info for SoW is coming out of that site than the publisher is a little unusual, but regardless of the URL, we are still getting news from the man. As for SoM and Luft '46, they'll be coming, even if they're not even breathing hard at the moment.

Cop a chill, take a step back from the computer, and go outside for a while. It's summer. I'll start worrying when I start getting 404 errors from the RRG or Ubi Il-2 URL's.

crazyivan1970
07-14-2006, 01:12 AM
2 weeks are outdated http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

JG52Uther
07-14-2006, 02:46 AM
Is today the day Ivan!!!!!
(and here I am stuck 400km's from my gaming comp)

WOLFMondo
07-14-2006, 03:34 AM
Ubi have there bad points. But compare them to Electronic Arts. If 1C went to them to be published....close that book and don't open it again, or somthing thereabouts http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

You cannot argue with Ubi's support for this sim. And if theres any doubts over popularity, login on Ubi's main page and look at the most popular forums. This general discussion forum is always on the list of the top Ubi discussion boards.

WTE_Tigger
07-14-2006, 04:58 AM
There is no doubt Ubi have supported the series better than many of the larger distributers would have. Anyone who has been around this game since the initial product can not deny that. Most of us were rather pleased and very overwhelmed when IL2 Sturmovik started getting so many free updates after we had heard all the promises and no doubt Ubi on the whole has delivered. Sure a few bumbs and wobbles here and there but thats to be expected over about five years.

I must say though how frustrating it is, when I see a new-to-the-genre flight simmer in EB or some other store and they reach for a competators product -one of distinctly inferior quality & much higher price- in complete ignorance of what other opptions there are available to them.

it's at moment like these where i look them over descretly, and if it feels safe to do so, step out of my comfort zone and mention our game to them, with much praise to it's merits. All done discretly as possible.

I have done this on a few occasions to mixed responces but always feel a certain obligation to let a fellow flight simmer know of our game.

From this point of view, I understand where some of the guys here are comming from. It would be nice if Ubi did a little more to have this series "seen" by the purchasing public. The product even now blows any other game of the same genre out of the water, why not market it a tad more assertivly.

Bandit.426Cdn
07-14-2006, 08:09 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by crazyivan1970:
...Slamming UBI is very common around here, but did anyone bother to look at bigger picture? 5 Years folks, 5 years. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

5 more years til 4.06?!? Isn't that more than the usual "2 weeks be sure" ?!

&lt;grin&gt;

Wtornado_439th
07-14-2006, 11:24 AM
http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif Some where over the rainbowwww way out there........... everyboby all together now!

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Tap your heels 3 times and it will appear.

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&lt;S&gt; cheers 439th_Wtornado

Frequent_Flyer
07-14-2006, 12:32 PM
I wonder if UBI's thought process is to wait until 4.07 is done and release a "complete" add-on 4.05-07? A one time down load instead of all the screwing around with two more. Than one "fix" patch, and game over. This is the sound business approach.

alert_1
07-14-2006, 01:01 PM
4.06 and 4.07 wont be merged, according to SaQSON..

LEBillfish
07-14-2006, 03:16 PM
Maybe after all the 4.05 griping they're waiting till you all say the magic word....

"Please".......

JG52Uther
07-14-2006, 03:28 PM
I said 'please' that did'nt work. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/sadeyes.gif

Frequent_Flyer
07-14-2006, 03:30 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by LEBillfish:
Maybe after all the 4.05 griping they're waiting till you all say the magic word....

"Please"....... </div></BLOCKQUOTE>Yes,..... Mother and Thank You

J_Anonymous
07-14-2006, 09:25 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by LEBillfish:
Maybe after all the 4.05 griping they're waiting till you all say the magic word....

"Please"....... </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Please.

Please, Please.

Please Please Please.

Please Please Please Please.

Please Please Please Please Please.

Need more?

papotex
07-14-2006, 09:49 PM
i think you only have to say it ones,other wise they gona think you are patronizing

alert_1
07-15-2006, 04:22 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">quote:
Originally posted by LEBillfish:
Maybe after all the 4.05 griping they're waiting till you all say the magic word....

"Please".......


Please.

Wrong. Wait tow weeks and then say it ONCE again...

Please, Please.

Please Please Please.

Please Please Please Please.

Please Please Please Please Please.

Need more? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

RegRag1977
07-15-2006, 05:02 AM
Please, Oleg, PLEASE... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/bigtears.gif

We all in the community will be kind again, no whine anymore, promise...

JG52Uther
07-15-2006, 08:01 AM
Its not Oleg,its UBI.
I would imagine RRG are not too happy either that its not released by UBI yet.

heywooood
07-15-2006, 09:17 AM
its only us....their future BoB customers...their loyal (paying) Fb/PF customers that are complaining...no one special.

keep holding on UBI...we are so thankful to you and all, for being the willing distributor of Olegs sims, making the huge monetary sacrifices to support the dead genre of combat flight simmers everywhere...I mean Everywhere....and whats one little trademark infringement between friends - it only cost the Pacific Expansion fans a few measly torpedo planes and authentic boats to sink with them...pfffft you'd think Christmas was cancelled by UBI to hear some of the faithless whiners cheezy moanings.

Dont release it anytime soon - you want to really drive home your point to these thankless , illmannered interlopers.

You are in control UBI - not Oleg or Ilya or us or anyone else.

LEBillfish
07-15-2006, 12:08 PM
Wow what nice pleases`........

Simon say's, say Pretty Please......

Simon say's, say Pretty Please with sugar on it......

Next say Pretty Please with sugar on it and a cherry on top......

Monty_Thrud
07-15-2006, 12:58 PM
What happened to the Icing?

LEBillfish
07-15-2006, 08:50 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Monty_Thrud:
What happened to the Icing? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Simon did NOT say that!.........No patch for you, wait 2 weeks http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/mockface.gif

carguy_
07-16-2006, 07:07 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by heywooood:
its only us....their future BoB customers...their loyal (paying) Fb/PF customers that are complaining...no one special.
</div></BLOCKQUOTE>


Maybe they figured that their newly made FPS naturally has 20 times more of 15year old brat customers and needs top priority.

heywooood
07-16-2006, 09:53 AM
yes - we are different from their typical customers - but there is alot of frustration coming from Oleg and Ilya about this delay - these addons, BOTH 4.06 and 4.07 mind you - have been in UBI hands for some time. What is the deal?

I think UBI should say what the delay is....
and a few of us calling each other out for being impatient or whatever is misguided - UBI isn't losing any money with this product be sure, (apparently they even billed Oleg for their own trademark infraction) so being grateful to them to the point of distraction makes no sense.

GerritJ9
07-17-2006, 03:46 PM
We don't KNOW whether 4.06 and 4.07 have been in UBI's hands for some time now- I think they haven't been sent to UBI by RRG Studios. Neither has been announced on the 1C website yet. 4.05 was released in Russia and other FSU countries before it was released by UBI, the delay being three weeks- the time needed to add the Boonty stuff.
If 4.06 is going to be released by UBI at the same time as 1C releases it in the FSU, then we will probably see simultaneous announcements on the 1C and UBI sites. But I think 4.06 will be released in the FSU first before we see it in the rest of the world. So watch the 1C website for the release of 4.06, then add three weeks before we can download it.

WTE_Tigger
07-17-2006, 04:02 PM
4.05 was designated a product for the Russian market as it was focused on the Pe-2. We in the western market got it after much lobbying for it.

To my knowledge -could be wrong just dont know- 4.06 & 4.07 are unlike the Pe-2 addon in that they do not focus exclusivly on one Eastern Front AC.

There isnt to my knowledge any indication wether these last two pay for add ons are going to be treated the same as or differant to 4.04 which was at least touted as a Russian product designed initialy for the eastern market.

Unless you have information to the contrary, I dont think we can assume anything about where 4.06 and 4.07 will be released first.

Interminate
07-17-2006, 05:43 PM
DISK!

GerritJ9
07-18-2006, 09:16 AM
ALL of these add-ons were originally intended to be Russia-only, not just 4.05. We are only seeing them in the rest of the world because the community campaigned to have them released here as well. Fortunately, we received Pe-2 and will be getting the other two as well.
There is still nothing on the 1C website as to when 4.06 will be released, and at best it will be released simultaneously in Russia and the rest of the world- but don't be surprised if there will be a delay in releasing 4.06 to the rest of the world, as there was with 4.05.
In the meantime, just be patient, and thou shalt be rewarded with new Buffalo targets (also known as Ki-21 and Ki-27)! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

goshikisen
07-18-2006, 05:15 PM
I wonder if RRG Studios could shed any light on SoM. About 3 or 4 weeks ago it seemed it's release was imminent and now... cricket's chirping.

SaQSoN
07-19-2006, 01:03 AM
The RRGS doesn't have any information regarding the Ubi-Soft games release plans.

JG53Frankyboy
07-19-2006, 05:57 AM
even RRGS has very long weeks http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

http://rrgstudios.com/

goshikisen
07-19-2006, 05:59 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by SaQSoN:
The RRGS doesn't have any information regarding the Ubi-Soft games release plans. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I'm not necessarily thinking of Ubi's plans for the add-on so much as news in general.

VW-IceFire
07-19-2006, 08:57 PM
I was just thinking that maybe considering some of the comments here they have decided to roll 4.06 and 4.07 into one download.

J_Anonymous
07-19-2006, 10:24 PM
I guess what SaQsoN is saying, without saying it explicitly, is that RRGS finished the product and the timing of the release is beyond their control. If 4.07 is also (almost) ready, I personally would love to have all-in-one disk. In any case, the waiting has been so long since the words of "imminent release" came out that enthusiasm held by the community seems evapolating. That's not good.... Honestly I am tired of checking these forums 5 or 6 times a day.

Capt.LoneRanger
07-20-2006, 02:22 AM
The funny thing is, apparently most people only read the first line of that official statement. They say release is close.
The second however said there were a few bugs noticed during beta-testing, that need to be resolved before a release.

That puts "close" and "immanent" in a somewhat larger timeframe, but everybody seems to ignore that?

alert_1
07-20-2006, 06:16 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">to roll 4.06 and 4.07 into one download. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
..would be wise and welcome marketing decision..(IMO)

Wingstrut_1
07-20-2006, 11:32 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content"> I dont want to sound like UBI fanboy, but even with all mistakes and delays, they are supporting this small market product. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Its another way of saying size matters. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Bogustogus
07-20-2006, 04:57 PM
I really don't care when the addons are released. As long as one of them has a Fokker D-XXI http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif


Or was that a different thread? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif

VW-IceFire
07-20-2006, 06:25 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Capt.LoneRanger:
The funny thing is, apparently most people only read the first line of that official statement. They say release is close.
The second however said there were a few bugs noticed during beta-testing, that need to be resolved before a release.

That puts "close" and "immanent" in a somewhat larger timeframe, but everybody seems to ignore that? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Its a very good point.

I think most people would just like to hear some word with delays rather than no word at all. Then at least we have something to go by.

JG52Uther
07-21-2006, 12:36 PM
Another week goes by with NO word http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif

|CoB|_Spectre
07-21-2006, 02:00 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Capt.LoneRanger
That puts "close" and "immanent" in a somewhat larger timeframe, but everybody seems to ignore that? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

By that rationale "close" and "imminent" become rather meaningless. July 3rd an asteroid passed within 1.1 times the distance from the earth to the moon...close by astronomical standards. But we're not talking about the vast distances and time standards of the universe, we're talking about software and the fans do not judge "close" or "imminent" in months. They readily forgive delays if feedback trickles out to reassure them some progress was being made. We all know the development team is chronically busy, but a scant 10 minutes for a post would buy weeks of goodwill. I chose to pass on 4.05 unless the bundle is made available on disk, so it doesn't matter to me either way. However, it's a continuation of a shortsighted policy that could impact SoW:BoB and I'm not sure they can afford that.

triad773
07-21-2006, 02:05 PM
I have to believe the developers are doing all they can to finish this up. Beyond that its the distributor who has to follow through.

I saw this interesting article on the BBC Online:
Games industry 'burns out talent'
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/5202236.stm

No doubt some people somewhere are pulling extra hours trying to finish this project up.

goshikisen
07-21-2006, 03:35 PM
No news is one thing but it seems odd to announce the release of some screenshots on a particular date and then not only not release the screenshots but also go completely silent on the progress of the product. What would keep you so busy that you would undermine your own business by alienating your customer base?

Don't get me wrong... they're only screenshots afterall but why bother setting yourself up for a fall by promising something you don't intend to deliver?

VW-IceFire
07-21-2006, 03:59 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by goshikisen:
No news is one thing but it seems odd to announce the release of some screenshots on a particular date and then not only not release the screenshots but also go completely silent on the progress of the product. What would keep you so busy that you would undermine your own business by alienating your customer base?

Don't get me wrong... they're only screenshots afterall but why bother setting yourself up for a fall by promising something you don't intend to deliver? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
I think that does get to the heart of the matter. They say things like "check back next week" and we all get salivating and then nothing happens for several weeks and we all collectively say "WTF?". Maybe they are doing Pavlov's dog experiment but on a wider scale.

Honestly...we're junkies and we love every scrap and tidbit of information. If we're told to expect something we do.

I agree with you every bit goshikisen.

crazyivan1970
07-21-2006, 04:21 PM
Sorry guys, but i cant get straight answer from anyone. And believe me, i went pretty far up teh ladder lol.

|CoB|_Spectre
07-21-2006, 04:26 PM
Be honest with yourselves...no matter what inconvenience, no matter the frustration, no matter how long the wait, you'll jump at it when it's finally dangled in front of you! You're not the only one that knows this and that's why it can, and does, happen. Those who profess not to fit this profile are generally regarded as heretics in these forums. It's been said that "Russians love the feel of the whip". I submit that the fans are all Russians at heart.

J_Anonymous
07-21-2006, 05:32 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by crazyivan1970:
Sorry guys, but i cant get straight answer from anyone. And believe me, i went pretty far up teh ladder lol. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Well, everybody, I've noticed that we forgot something very important. It is the vacance season in France, isn't it? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif

I used to have a French passport holder working with me. He always disappeared for weeks with his French side of family around this time of the year.

SaQSoN
07-24-2006, 03:25 AM
Check out some new screenshots at the RRGS site. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

JG52Uther
07-24-2006, 04:59 AM
Hurrah!

Chef-Scott
07-24-2006, 08:17 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content"> The release date of Sturmoviks over Manchuria is still TBA, as we are continuing to work out the quirks of the delivery system. Considering the issues with the Pe-2 add-on's release, we want to make sure Manchuria is absolutely perfect. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Hmmm...quirks of the delivery system... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

RAF74_Poker
07-24-2006, 11:19 AM
They haven't yet figured out how to make boonty uninstallable after you've downloaded. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

shinden1974
07-24-2006, 03:51 PM
so...This IS the boonty-whiners fault! thats fine as long as everyone is happy, I'm happy. can't wait!

Aguila_Azteca
07-24-2006, 05:12 PM
i am not happy, dam those freaking whinners hope you die all.....

trenches look amazing hope you add them, even just for eye candy, the bicicles will be very usefulll , especialy for japanese offensive cenarios, can you say malaya

RamsteinUSA
07-25-2006, 01:57 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Aguila_Azteca:
i am not happy, dam those freaking whinners hope you die all.....

trenches look amazing hope you add them, even just for eye candy, the bicicles will be very usefulll , especialy for japanese offensive cenarios, can you say malaya </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Use the bicycles to recreate tour de france, and when all the bikes are crusing along, we can fly in an mow them all down!

JG52Uther
07-25-2006, 02:04 PM
A little news goes a long way!

Viper2005_
07-25-2006, 03:06 PM
If only we could get news updates on a regular schedule...

If we knew that news was coming even once a month, I'm certain that the forums would be much calmer.

The same goes for BoB.

WTE_Tigger
07-25-2006, 03:59 PM
Yea I agree Viper, a monthly news update would go a long way to soothing some ruffled feathers.

S!

F19_Orheim
08-04-2006, 05:32 AM
time to revolt.... charge the Bastille...Bread for the people NOW!!

Brain32
08-04-2006, 06:22 AM
This is starting to be quite funny. Release was imminent a month ago http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

JG53Frankyboy
08-04-2006, 06:25 AM
name this thing "Stalker II" - or does it realy exist http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

F19_Orheim
08-04-2006, 06:40 AM
not one bit funny in my book http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

TgD Thunderbolt56
08-04-2006, 09:14 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by F19_Orheim:
time to revolt.... charge the Bastille...Bread for the people NOW!! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


"let them eat cake"


btw Orheim...I'm not laughing either. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif

Frequent_Flyer
08-04-2006, 05:23 PM
A word now and than about the add-on would be most apprrciated. Also, what is going on with the Norway, Slovakia, and Med maps.

uglyohyeah
08-04-2006, 09:53 PM
I'm amazed I'm saying this but I'm actually starting to lose interest a bit. I've been fired up for weeks but now I'm only checking the forum once a day or so. Might not even bother checking this weekend at all.

As for the 4.05 thing, after the initial hysteria the fact remains that:-

1. Most of us are running the game on ageing PC's as we're waiting for BOB:SOW to upgrade. Having any unecessary program (benign or not) running in the back ground is something I try pretty hard to avoid.

2. I experienced the memory leakage problem with the 4.05 patch and the game eventually became unplayable (crashed to desk top every 5 minutes). I had to do a complete re-install of windows and I've just patched FB/PF up to 4.04. Pe-2 is sitting safely uninstalled in a folder on my PC until 4.06 comes out, and hopefuly corrects the error Ubi inflicted on us with their botched boontification of PE-2.

Is it so much to ask that these add-ons be released without any unecessary extra rubbish, let's face it, a number of pretty smart people are going to go to work straight away on how to disable/remove boonty from 4.06 as soon as it's released.

Meanwhile I'm seriously thinking about installing one of my older neglected games to pass the time.

Chuck_Older
08-05-2006, 09:26 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by uglyohyeah:
I'm amazed I'm saying this but I'm actually starting to lose interest a bit. I've been fired up for weeks but now I'm only checking the forum once a day or so. Might not even bother checking this weekend at all.

As for the 4.05 thing, after the initial hysteria the fact remains that:-

1. Most of us are running the game on ageing PC's as we're waiting for BOB:SOW to upgrade. Having any unecessary program (benign or not) running in the back ground is something I try pretty hard to avoid.

2. I experienced the memory leakage problem with the 4.05 patch and the game eventually became unplayable (crashed to desk top every 5 minutes). I had to do a complete re-install of windows and I've just patched FB/PF up to 4.04. Pe-2 is sitting safely uninstalled in a folder on my PC until 4.06 comes out, and hopefuly corrects the error Ubi inflicted on us with their botched boontification of PE-2.

Is it so much to ask that these add-ons be released without any unecessary extra rubbish, let's face it, a number of pretty smart people are going to go to work straight away on how to disable/remove boonty from 4.06 as soon as it's released.

Meanwhile I'm seriously thinking about installing one of my older neglected games to pass the time. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

It's your money and it's more time. I'm not going to tell you how to entertain yourself; only you can answer that queation

But your post is the core of the gamer versus simmer issue

You're getting bored...this seems just like the 'gimme new stuff' standpoint I saw for years in online auto racing. The simmers wanted the nuance and detail, they were happy with the 'old' cars because they were sim fans and fans of the era in racing.

The gamers were only interested in the "new shiny" stuff. Many of them complained of "boredom" and argued for features that simply improved every car across the board, giving them the illusion of advantage

The rift was large because after all, the gamers outnumbered the simmers in that case, but the simmers were much more passionate about the whole thing

There are so many aspects of this sim that most players never experience. To read the boards, shooting down lots of stuff online is the focus of the vast majority of players

There is a world of detail and interest in this sim; if you're not passionate about the subject, if you don't care to look at all the facets of the sim, then you are a gamer. It's not an insult, it's a fact

Me, i don;t care if we lose gamers now and again. If the attenton span of gamers is so short that they can't help but get bored after8 weeks of the new version, then not only are they not looking at around 90% of the sim's contents, but it's plain to me that the sim is just another game to them; it may as well not be an historically based simulation, it's just as well off for them if these aircraft and the times depicted never actually existed and this whole thing is science-fiction because it's the same as any other make-believe universe such as Star Wars

Not only am I a bigger Star Wars fan than you, by the way, I've played the sim way more, I can just about bet my bottom dollar on it

Now none of these thing's I've said makes you "bad". It's your free time and your money, as I've said. All of us are better off spending what free time we have on what we enjoy- if this sim can't hold your attention, then you should simply play another game, period. Boonty shouldn't be the reason- what you like to do should be the reason. There's no shame in not being a simmer, but from my viewpoint, you're convincing yourself to stay with this sim- and I don't think it's actually what you want to do deep down- you're bored, etc, boonty, etc, the sim is making you play on an old PC while waiting for SoW:BoB, etc

I can understand your frustration. I just think that simming ain't your thing and your time and money might be better spent doing something you want to do more than this

heywooood
08-05-2006, 12:55 PM
200 weeks be sure

Nimits
08-05-2006, 01:55 PM
I so want to start shooting down those B6Ns and Ki-21s . . . I cannot fathom what is possibly taking UBI so long post the download, unless there was some bug or something caught in testing that has not been publicly reported . . . you would think UBI was the first ones ever to offer a paid download . . . This is getting annoying . . .

uglyohyeah
08-05-2006, 03:57 PM
I respect your opinion Chuck.

Actually I'm pretty much amusing myself playing single missions on 4.04, I haven't really been online recently due to work issues, when I do you'll find my on Wings of War or another full real server.

Also the community is split into those who are prepared to run 4.05, either not caring about boonty/memory leakage or having followed the long winded boonty removal process, And those who are remaining at 4.04 until the mess is sorted out. I'm one of those and like most of them I suspect I'm eager to get 4.06 to enjoy the new content and to rejoin the online community which will be at full strength again.

If my enthusiasm for experiencing some new aircraft and maps makes me a 'Gamer'to you then so be it. I've never really thought of it like that and I guess one mans 'gamer' is another mans 'simmer'. Pretty much anyone who plays CFS would seem like a 'gamer' to me.

The fact remains that all the while 4.06 is delayed there is a risk of people losing interest, and when we're talking about a small community any lost sale is ultimately bad news.

Personally I'm going to prepare to skive of work next Friday and hope it is released.

F19_Orheim
08-06-2006, 03:29 AM
I really don't get your outlay about "gamers" and "simmers" Chuck, and not sure how u define these two... and do you mean simmers don't get bored?

I don't know in what "category" I fall into, but I have been at this series since the original IL2, I love it but I get bored from time to time. I have periods when I fly more than my wife prefers, and periods when I am just fed up with it. Does that make me a gamer or a simmer?

New planes to fly, new maps to fly over, new targets to take down DO make it more interesting and less likely to get "boring". I don't care what you call me or us, things will ALWAYS be more interesting when there is new things to discover.

...and again, I have no issue with addons and patches taking time to complete, but I DO have an issue with companies that says one thing and do another. It's not just IL2 seriers, this goes for EVERY enterprise.

If I in my profession would say to my customers, "it'll be delivered next week" or "soon" or ever "VERY soon", and delivered 2 months later, I would get fired. And I don't think my customers would smile and say "it's ok it is finished when it is finished". They would pressure me, with all right as I promised them "soon" or "next week". And if I at least didn't give them a realistic date or at least information why the delay, I would have a riot.

So this thread is in my book not a thread about "gamers who has no stamina who get bored too easily" or not a "real interest about the product, there are so much to see", it's a thread venting the discontent from customers, (gamers simmers u name us/them whatever u want) demanding some kind of information when the addon will be released and why there is a delay. IF it is the Boonty program that delays it all, then for god's sake say it, we won't die, we will be happy we get SOME information:

"Due to the latest mishaps of the Boonty product, making Pe2 addon impossible to install on Win ME etc, we are now working on a better solution. This will delay the release. Estimated release (realistic) August 15´. More information will be relased"

or

"Due to the workload on our staff, we are unable to release the addon until late August. Thank you for your patience."

Fine, I buy that, no problem

But silence from a supplier to customers in my book tells me "we don't give a rat's a** about you.

Just my 2 ¶re

Chuck_Older
08-06-2006, 06:26 AM
http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_confused.gif

I never said the thread was about anything at all. I read a post by someone who was listing a bunch of reasons to stay with the sim as if he were trying to convince himself to stay...even though he's bored

Simmers get bored too, but I gave a bunch of reasons for posting as I did

You're taking me in the worst possible context, Orheim. If you don't want to fly the sim 24 hours a day, 7 days a week, 12 months a year I don't dub you a "gamer" from my throne, look down my nose at you, and tell you to get lost

I outlined how I regarded uglyohyeah's post: based on what he told me, he seems like a gamer- the sim seems like any other game in my estimation, based on what he posted. I mentioned that for somebody passionate about the sim, there's a wealth of content. I posted as frankly honestly and gently as I could, to make my reply in-offensive. So the game's boring him. It happens with any game. Am I still playing "Gunship!" on my C128? No

The reasons he lists for not feeling like playing though, to me (as I mentioned) really seem like he's holding on to the sim for the wrong reasons. As an example, he lists Boonty as a reason...Boonty should not be a reason he stops playing- he should stop playing because he wants to stop playing. There's a subtle difference

Now if you fly 10 hours this month because you're bored with the sim, do you think I point my finger and announce, "Gamer!"?

I think that it's a little unfair to me, to take one single aspect of your own situation, compare it to the situation I see uglyohyeah in, find it similar, and then ask if I consider you one of the (unholy) gamers because of it.

It's unfair because you're putting only one similarity between you and uglyohyeah under a microscope, and then using that one and only similarity to put forth the opinion that I might "judge" both of you the same way because of it

Firstly, I'm not judging any one. Gamers are fine. But although they are fine, they are not as involved with the sim typically, and they are not as passionate about it, and they aren't as knowledgeable about things the sim recreates in general. How many times have you read a post asking about some technical aspect of an aircraft in the sim, which reads as though the only place to possibly get info about it is on the forums dedicated to the game? As if it never really existed and it's a figment

Secondly, of course new content is interesting. But I disagree that it keeps things interesting. that implies that what came before is just about worthless, to me. If all the sim could offer was a constant infusion of new content to hold players' attention, then this is the "Oooo shiny" syndrome I mentioned. New content is often of higher quality thatn old content as well. If you consider my own situation though, in which I can easily go fly a LAGG-3 campaign because it may (and does) interest me, how does the new content keep it interesting? It doesn't, it merely adds new dimensions, which is great. Personally, I look on that as bonus content, not main content

I'm not saying uglyohyeah is somebody who doesn't know anything, or couldn't imagine a sim plane being a real thing. I'm saying that based on what he posted, it seems like maybe he's come to the point at which the sim doesn't do it for him anymore. Maybe it's not Boonty, it's not his old PC, and it might not even be 'boredom'- he may just not want to do this any more.

That's fine. He should spend his free time doing what he wants to do, not waiting around for this sim.

If you were to outline your own feelings about the sim and what's happening, I could form an opinion about what you want out of it and whether or not you're more of a simmer or a gamer, Orheim. But please don't ask me to form that opinion about you based on what I read concerning somebody else's concerns. It's not just unfair, it makes me out to be some kind of holier-than-thou judge of 'right' and 'wrong', who sits on his smug chair and pronounces Doom as if anyone here cared, and that's not what did at all

Chuck_Older
08-06-2006, 06:38 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by uglyohyeah:
I respect your opinion Chuck.

Actually I'm pretty much amusing myself playing single missions on 4.04, I haven't really been online recently due to work issues, when I do you'll find my on Wings of War or another full real server.

Also the community is split into those who are prepared to run 4.05, either not caring about boonty/memory leakage or having followed the long winded boonty removal process, And those who are remaining at 4.04 until the mess is sorted out. I'm one of those and like most of them I suspect I'm eager to get 4.06 to enjoy the new content and to rejoin the online community which will be at full strength again.

If my enthusiasm for experiencing some new aircraft and maps makes me a 'Gamer'to you then so be it. I've never really thought of it like that and I guess one mans 'gamer' is another mans 'simmer'. Pretty much anyone who plays CFS would seem like a 'gamer' to me.

The fact remains that all the while 4.06 is delayed there is a risk of people losing interest, and when we're talking about a small community any lost sale is ultimately bad news.

Personally I'm going to prepare to skive of work next Friday and hope it is released. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I'm glad you didn't take offense. Some people regard anything that could possibly be contrary to what they post as a challenge. I really try to give my honest opinion

All I can do is digest what you post, the same as you, concerning me (which is why I tend to make longwinded posts). Based on what you posted, I did my best to help- gamer, simmer, whatever

I'm very aware that there's a wealth I don't know about you and your situation. My post was completely based on the limited info I have concerning your issue. When I read that somebody's bored, I know the solution- do something else with your free time http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif Some people would interpret that as "Get out of here we don't need you". Sincerely, use your free time the way you want to. I do this for fun. if it stops being fun, I'll stop doing it. I've had the same musclecar since 1989. I do all my own work on it. When that stops being fun, I'll get rid of that hobby, too. It's really expensive and requires a lot of work, but I call that "fun" http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/53.gif

I think that anyone should stop doing a pastime the moment they can honestly say to themselves that they are just going through the motions. Based on what you posted, I could see that chance this may be the case and I advised the best I could http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

F19_Orheim
08-06-2006, 06:50 AM
rgr Chuck, understood and received.

My irritataion is not ag you mate, it is directed at those who are responsible for (mis/dis/lack off)informing us, (no)releasing patches etc, AND those of us who are too lame who dare not to critique something that is obviously malpractice, a course of actions that would be considered to be incompetence in any business I know of.

If my irritation rubs off on you, I apologies. I just read into your answer a too frequent leniency towards something that should instead be adressed harshly. A leniency that maybe wasn't there at all. If so, sorry

Now let's make 'em act!!

HauerLai
08-06-2006, 07:41 AM
When Will The 4.06m Releas ???

VW-IceFire
08-06-2006, 07:43 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by HauerLai:
When Will The 4.06m Releas ??? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Between now and then.

There is no crystal ball, no release fairey, nobody knows.

Frequent_Flyer
08-06-2006, 09:46 AM
UBI is a large enough organization to have a public realtion/marketing department whose duties would include informing this community what/when and why. That is just good business. Perhaps they have a different business model in France than what I'm accustom to. There is a "critical mass" of "addicted " simmers ( I'm one) here.The future success of BOB and beyond is this captive audience, that posts here. A 'real time' suggestion box that should be a an invaluable tool. The problem is Air combat sims return a slim to none margin. Competition is not likely to challenge for little or no return. I enjoy this sim. However some competetion would be healty.

Chuck_Older
08-06-2006, 11:49 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by F19_Orheim:
rgr Chuck, understood and received.

My irritataion is not ag you mate, it is directed at those who are responsible for (mis/dis/lack off)informing us, (no)releasing patches etc, AND those of us who are too lame who dare not to critique something that is obviously malpractice, a course of actions that would be considered to be incompetence in any business I know of.

If my irritation rubs off on you, I apologies. I just read into your answer a too frequent leniency towards something that should instead be adressed harshly. A leniency that maybe wasn't there at all. If so, sorry

Now let's make 'em act!! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

No need for apologies. No harm, no foul http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

I agree that the time has come for some sort of "official" mouthpiece to be available from Ubi- a reliable one, at that

I don't need to get updates every X number of days, but the time has come to address why the release of the latest update has been delayed, regarding the 'delivery service'.

They know what the problem is, it's just good sense to tell us what the problem is- just a little common courtesy

Platypus_1.JaVA
08-06-2006, 02:17 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Frequent_Flyer:
UBI is a large enough organization to have a public realtion/marketing department whose duties would include informing this community what/when and why. That is just good business. Perhaps they have a different business model in France than what I'm accustom to. There is a "critical mass" of "addicted " simmers ( I'm one) here.The future success of BOB and beyond is this captive audience, that posts here. A 'real time' suggestion box that should be a an invaluable tool. The problem is Air combat sims return a slim to none margin. Competition is not likely to challenge for little or no return. I enjoy this sim. However some competetion would be healty. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

It is done when it is done. What is the point really in knowing beforehand at what time your favorite sofware is released? Oleg and crew has given release-dates before but, they learned the hard way not to do that anymore.

In every patch there was appearantly something to fix or fine-tune. A change in one aspect of the patch might have caused other unwanted side-effects wich need more time to correct and so delay the patch. And with every delay, more and more morons on the boards made silly complains. It hink release dates for this kind of patches can only be given when the patch is allready done and is getting ready for shipment/download. Sometimes, that is a very short timeframe.

I enjoy Il-2 PF as it is and when somethin new comes out, I get it immediatly and continue enjoying it.

EDCF_Rama
08-06-2006, 02:42 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Platypus_1.JaVA:
In every patch there was appearantly something to fix or fine-tune. A change in one aspect of the patch might have caused other unwanted side-effects wich need more time to correct and so delay the patch. And with every delay, more and more morons on the boards made silly complains. It hink release dates for this kind of patches can only be given when the patch is allready done and is getting ready for shipment/download. Sometimes, that is a very short timeframe. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Except that we know that this patch has been delivered by¨ M:1C to Ubi since weeks, and that Luthier said the only remaining work was the Boonty issue.
So everything is in Ubi's hands since long time, who aren't waiting from anything from RRG or M:1C

So even if Ubi doesn't know how much times it takes to "solve" the Boonty issue, they may at least give some indications.

Frequent_Flyer
08-06-2006, 02:58 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Platypus_1.JaVA:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Frequent_Flyer:
UBI is a large enough organization to have a public realtion/marketing department whose duties would include informing this community what/when and why. That is just good business. Perhaps they have a different business model in France than what I'm accustom to. There is a "critical mass" of "addicted " simmers ( I'm one) here.The future success of BOB and beyond is this captive audience, that posts here. A 'real time' suggestion box that should be a an invaluable tool. The problem is Air combat sims return a slim to none margin. Competition is not likely to challenge for little or no return. I enjoy this sim. However some competetion would be healty. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

It is done when it is done. What is the point really in knowing beforehand at what time your favorite sofware is released? Oleg and crew has given release-dates before but, they learned the hard way not to do that anymore.

In every patch there was appearantly something to fix or fine-tune. A change in one aspect of the patch might have caused other unwanted side-effects wich need more time to correct and so delay the patch. And with every delay, more and more morons on the boards made silly complains. It hink release dates for this kind of patches can only be given when the patch is allready done and is getting ready for shipment/download. Sometimes, that is a very short timeframe.

I enjoy Il-2 PF as it is and when somethin new comes out, I get it immediatly and continue enjoying it. </div></BLOCKQUOTE> You state the obvious " Its done when its done". It would take someone in an offical capacity at UBI 3 min. of their day to post here. Weather the " moron" as you state or the customer expresses a desire for some relavant information their both ignored by UBI. I'm in business, I can tell you it is much more cost effective to retain your clients than have to develop new revenue streams.If we hope the next generation (BOB) of flight sim is to suceed beyond just the initial offering lets keep the core group we have satisfied and build from there.

F19_Orheim
08-06-2006, 04:26 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Platypus_1.JaVA:
... And with every delay, more and more morons on the boards made silly complains. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Moron? why thank u.

uglyohyeah
08-06-2006, 09:28 PM
My understanding was that the add-on was completed and released to Ubi several weeks ago. Feedback from Oleg and Luthier seems to suggest that Ubi have been trying to incorporate Boonty since then, and presumably it's taking a while because:-

1. They're being more thorough to avoid a repeat of the memory leakage problem that occured in 4.05

2. They're having to do some work to make sure that all the people who deleted Boonty and replaced the 4.05 exe's can still uppgrade without a full re-install.

3. They are analysing the various ways significant numbers of members of the community were able to disable and remove Boonty and intend to make it much harder this time.

In truth maybe the delay in incorporating boonty has meant that this hack issue has come to light before 4.06 was released and has given 1C the opportunity to make some changes to the original add-on files to re-secure it.

It would just be nice to get an update.

Finally I'm a little curious why those of you who claim to be quite happy to wait for it to arrive in it's own sweet time are even bothering to read a thread titled 'Sturmoviks over Manchuria..any time frame?', let alone post. It's really a thread for us impatient types to have a communial whine on to pass the time!

Scharnhorst1943
08-06-2006, 09:40 PM
I am not upset at the delays. Truth be told, I expected it. What does upset me is having to find <span class="ev_code_YELLOW">ALL</span> information about what is going on via third parties here on the forums. All that I want is a simple, but "official" update strait from the horses mouth. (UBI) I am sure there are others that feel the same way.

It is not that I am like some schoolgirl with my panties in a knot because the add-on is not here, I just want an official announcement or update. Especially if it is done and not released. I mean seriously, WTF?

It is a courtesey thing that you do to your customers. The lack therof says something. (I am referring to UBI here)

Nimits
08-07-2006, 12:09 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">It is done when it is done. What is the point really in knowing beforehand at what time your favorite sofware is released? Oleg and crew has given release-dates before but, they learned the hard way not to do that anymore. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I agree in general, but like other said, 1C/RRG evidently finished work a while ago and sent the final off to Ubi for "Boonty-fication." Obviously, Pacific Fighers is a lower priority for Ubi, but from how long Ubi is taking, you would think they were having to single-handly invent pay-to-download. Everyone from Eagle Storm (guys who just released Distant Guns) to Sega has figured out how to do it, so I guess I just don't understand what is taking so long.

sg1_gunkan
08-07-2006, 01:35 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">2. They're having to do some work to make sure that all the people who deleted Boonty and replaced the 4.05 exe's can still uppgrade without a full re-install.

3. They are analysing the various ways significant numbers of members of the community were able to disable and remove Boonty and intend to make it much harder this time.

In truth maybe the delay in incorporating boonty has meant that this hack issue has come to light before 4.06 was released and has given 1C the opportunity to make some changes to the original add-on files to re-secure it.
</div></BLOCKQUOTE>

The Bounty thing gets me mad. I think you are right about the delay.

EJGrOst_Caspar
08-07-2006, 03:48 AM
Maybe there will be a possibility to download both 4.05 and 4.06 in one update. That might take a while to adjust on boonty software too.

totalspoon
08-07-2006, 07:09 PM
I filled out my will today,
My wife will get the house,
My son will get the PC and
My great-great-great-great-great-great-Grandson will get my copy of Sturm's over Manchuria if its out by then...

lol....

Totalspoon

Chuck_Older
08-07-2006, 07:33 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by uglyohyeah:

Finally I'm a little curious why those of you who claim to be quite happy to wait for it to arrive in it's own sweet time are even bothering to read a thread titled 'Sturmoviks over Manchuria..any time frame?', let alone post. It's really a thread for us impatient types to have a communial whine on to pass the time! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

being able to wait and wanting to wait are two different things http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Feathered_IV
08-07-2006, 07:50 PM
I'm not managing either terribly well http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

totalspoon
08-07-2006, 10:19 PM
We don't mind waiting if we only knew how long we'd have to wait for. All we want is a snippet of info from Ubi saying how long they'll be.

It's very much like waiting for christmas but finding the date keeps changing. The 25th December has passed and we must be well into March but good old saint Ubi-nick is still holding out on us (the BASTARD!)....lol

Totalspoon

RamsteinUSA
08-08-2006, 01:29 PM
05.15.2006
46 Update

After an arduous move from NYC to California, RRG Studios is back online. In light of imminent release of Sturmoviks over Manchuria,
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http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/53.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/1072.gif

x-609IAP_Avatar
08-08-2006, 04:48 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">05.15.2006
46 Update

After an arduous move from NYC to California, RRG Studios is back online. In light of imminent release of Sturmoviks over Manchuria,
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Googly Oops </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

But that site is not UBI and doesn't know all that they know. Didn't you know that Ram?

DuxCorvan
08-08-2006, 05:53 PM
Someday before I die, if I don't die before.

Feathered_IV
08-08-2006, 07:51 PM
RRG said a while back that it was finished and getting its delivery system integrated.
A short while ago they down graded that to being in beta stage or somesuch. Sounds like they had to take it back to the shop for some reason...

Nimits
08-08-2006, 10:43 PM
Maybe they actually did finish the cockpit for the B6N, and wanted to wait until they could put it in the game . . . Well, I can dream, can't I?

Feathered_IV
08-08-2006, 11:53 PM
And they finished the A5M and included the CW-21 http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

DuxCorvan
08-09-2006, 12:36 PM
Yep, and the AI Re.2000, Avia B.534, Letov S.328, the flyable Fokker D.XXI... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

Come on, let's be realistic:

1) Users hate 'the B-thing'
2) 'U-company' has a contract with 'the B-thing'
3) They don't know what to do: they can't release it with 'the B-thing' -after so much ado- nor can they release it without it.

http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

uglyohyeah
08-09-2006, 01:53 PM
I can't see Ubi not using boonty just because it's customers don't like it. I expect that SOM will be released soon, with a much more secure Boonty set-up that will be much harder to remove. Hopefully they have devoted a little bit of the time they've taken to make sure it doesn't affect the game, but I doubt this is their priority.

I wonder how they will recover the costs of what appears to have been a lengthy Boontification intergration. Will thay absorb the costs themselves, pass them back to Oleg or add a little bit on the cost of the add-on and recover it from us.

I would begrudge paying extra for this unwanted delivery system even more than I begrudge the delay it's no doubt caused.

Oh and maybe a quick message for the guys who will get to work on a method to remove Boonty as soon as it comes out. Maybe we should accept Boonty this time and you should keep the removal method to yourselves until '46 comes out. That will prevent Ubi making Boonty yet harder to remove in '46, and we can all merrily remove it once all the add-ons are released and we no longer have to deal with Ubi. (Except all the times over the years we will all have to contact them for new key codes as we update our PC components). Fingers crossed they have the sense to release a complete FB/PF/PE-2/SOM/'46 CD sometime in the future though.

DuxCorvan
08-09-2006, 04:54 PM
Improving B.? I don't think the original authors are skilled enough to do so. Even for a self-replying omnipresent semi-malware program, B. is a pretty poor example of programming.

It does not one of the things it is supposed to do, just some things we don't like it to, and it does them bad.

Feathered_IV
08-10-2006, 03:34 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by uglyohyeah:
I can't see Ubi not using boonty just because it's customers don't like it. I expect that SOM will be released soon..... </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Bear in mind, Oleg said recently not to expect updates on BoB this year. It would seem the release date for that one is still very, very distant. The November 2006 date was just E3 smack-talk to get some buzz happening. during the show.

Indeed Dux', the Boonty people probably promised the earth to Ubi when they signed the deal. Turns out now though, they couldn't even carve their name in a tree, let alone design a user friendly piece of delivery software. We'll have to wait until they give up the struggle and hire a few specialist staff members http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-mad.gif

sg1_gunkan
08-10-2006, 03:53 AM
If the delay is because of the integration of the BoontyVirus on the patch... i just want to MK108 somebody... *angry face* http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_mad.gif The DRM is disturbing for the legal user. Don't bite the hand that feed you Ubi. I really wonder if there is no another solution better to release this payment patches.

maheikki
08-10-2006, 05:23 AM
I am afraid that you are right:P
Maybe They are embedding uninstallable boontybox to game.

Jaws2002
08-10-2006, 06:25 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by DuxCorvan:
Yep, and the AI Re.2000, Avia B.534, Letov S.328, the flyable Fokker D.XXI... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

Come on, let's be realistic:

1) Users hate 'the B-thing'
2) 'U-company' has a contract with 'the B-thing'
3) They don't know what to do: they can't release it with 'the B-thing' -after so much ado- nor can they release it without it.

http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


I think is the other way around. They didn't like how quick and easy we managed to get reed of their precious boonty. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

Frequent_Flyer
08-10-2006, 12:25 PM
If indeed the speculation around the boonty deliver system is correct. Than I invision a single release to include both 4.06 & 4.07. UBI has got to be thinking ,why put ourselves through two more releases and the inevitable complaints? One and done, is their new mantra.

Aardvark184
08-10-2006, 09:36 PM
So here's a question... I saved my 4.04 exe's and replaced .05's, and I'm wondering if I'm going to have to do something similar again. I've got copies of both versions' exe's saved inside my IL2 folder... guess I'll just have to wait until 2008 when they finally release 05/06

Tim

RamsteinUSA
08-11-2006, 03:49 AM
http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m127/retiredat44/frozenhell.jpg

heywooood
08-11-2006, 09:15 AM
they should just come out and say they are merging 4.06 and 4.07 if thats what it is.


brrrrrr

Frequent_Flyer
08-11-2006, 03:12 PM
I wonder if its possible to release immeadiatly, as a free down load Ian's Burma map? It was developed independant of SOM and is complete.