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XyZspineZyX
06-22-2003, 09:05 AM
Hi,

Now i just want to add my two cents in , and because unfortunately the MODS can't add their two cents then i will about this whole absurd RSL_Hellcat business.

It's too true. There are way too many attitudes on this board. Why don't we just put it all into perspective and just realise it's a silly little online forum about a great flight sim. I first came here about one and a half years ago and i don't recall it being as hostile and so chock a block full of whining. Now we have people who are disrespecting the moderators who help keep this community pumping and even the creator of this game. THat is way way way out of line
I think many people here have become a bit too big for their britches and have started to DEMAND things which are not theirs to demand.
I am in full support of the moderators. They have a hard time with this board , which has an awful reputation among the larger sim community as being an arrogant, hostile and egotistical.

Why are so many of you so full of self righteous bluster anytime you perceive yourself as being slighted in the most insignificant way? Ego's are running rampant here.

In short get over yourselves, learn some RESPECT for the mods who have a difficult job and for the love of little baby jesus, hug a MOD.

If i tried the sort of shenanigans many of you try to pull here i would be instantly banned for abusing MODS for just about any other board. You guys act like they owe you something. What is wrong with this community? Will it self destruct? Most probably.

I support you SNOOPY and company. Keep up the hard work.

If this thread is to be locked or myself banned for flaming, then so be it, that is the moderators perogative and frankly i think i should be for that outburst.

S! MODS

XyZspineZyX
06-22-2003, 09:05 AM
Hi,

Now i just want to add my two cents in , and because unfortunately the MODS can't add their two cents then i will about this whole absurd RSL_Hellcat business.

It's too true. There are way too many attitudes on this board. Why don't we just put it all into perspective and just realise it's a silly little online forum about a great flight sim. I first came here about one and a half years ago and i don't recall it being as hostile and so chock a block full of whining. Now we have people who are disrespecting the moderators who help keep this community pumping and even the creator of this game. THat is way way way out of line
I think many people here have become a bit too big for their britches and have started to DEMAND things which are not theirs to demand.
I am in full support of the moderators. They have a hard time with this board , which has an awful reputation among the larger sim community as being an arrogant, hostile and egotistical.

Why are so many of you so full of self righteous bluster anytime you perceive yourself as being slighted in the most insignificant way? Ego's are running rampant here.

In short get over yourselves, learn some RESPECT for the mods who have a difficult job and for the love of little baby jesus, hug a MOD.

If i tried the sort of shenanigans many of you try to pull here i would be instantly banned for abusing MODS for just about any other board. You guys act like they owe you something. What is wrong with this community? Will it self destruct? Most probably.

I support you SNOOPY and company. Keep up the hard work.

If this thread is to be locked or myself banned for flaming, then so be it, that is the moderators perogative and frankly i think i should be for that outburst.

S! MODS

XyZspineZyX
06-22-2003, 09:12 AM
Amen. It happens all the time on internet boards. Vets get all egotistical and start to think they are at an equal level with mods/admins in terms of what they can demand.

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XyZspineZyX
06-22-2003, 10:05 AM
Looks like I missed a big fight. Again./i/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

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XyZspineZyX
06-22-2003, 11:11 AM
Good post!
The problems in this forum started years ago when bad mods where chosen and some individuals where given way too much slack. Some of those individuals are still loitering in the forum, demanding, snivelling, "threatening" to leave the forum if their old "right" to violate forum rules are suspended. We see one good mod after another give up and leave because of these over inflated self's. The PL was discontinued because of this mob and the GL shows signs of going the same way.
Now its time to clear the table and get a new start!
First of all get rid of the stupid sigs and rankings as they have no other purpose than to keep the over inflated inflated. Secondly moderators shouldn't need to explain or justify their actions, just lock, delete and ban as necessary. Break the rules three times and you're gone forever.
The moderators shouldn't participate in the forums but rather be anonymous to all members to eliminate the risk of them being dragged in (down) to discussions about their decisions.
A mod could very well be a girl in the office with no knowledge of FB browsing thro the forum a couple of times a day and without prejudice taking whatever action needed without giving any explanation or justification what so ever.

S!Mods

Just my 0,2?

Viking

XyZspineZyX
06-22-2003, 12:38 PM
I think there's faults on both sides.

No, Hellcat shouldn't have gone off quite as violently as he did, but -- maybe Snoopy would be better advised not to put in comments when he locks, because they seem to be making things worse, not better.



And as for your lecture, do you really think being "told off" by some stranger (I mean you) is going to achieve anything? So maybe you should think a bit before you make what is really the same kind of post you complain about.





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XyZspineZyX
06-22-2003, 12:47 PM
MaxViking wrote:
- Good post!
- The problems in this forum started years ago when
- bad mods where chosen and some individuals where
- given way too much slack. Some of those individuals
- are still loitering in the forum, demanding,
- snivelling, "threatening" to leave the forum if
- their old "right" to violate forum rules are
- suspended.

I can only guess who you are refering to here. I was here during this time and I will say the moderating was screwed in both directions.



Now its time to clear the table and get a new start!
- First of all get rid of the stupid sigs and rankings
- as they have no other purpose than to keep the over
- inflated inflated.

I could care less about post counts and sigs, it has no effect on what I decide to post a comment about.
If I have over 2000 posts, it is only because I have been lurking around this forum for a long time. Not as long as others, but it most be almost two years........poor memory.



- The moderators shouldn't participate in the forums
- but rather be anonymous to all members to eliminate
- the risk of them being dragged in (down) to
- discussions about their decisions.
- A mod could very well be a girl in the office with
- no knowledge of FB browsing thro the forum a couple
- of times a day and without prejudice taking whatever
- action needed without giving any explanation or
- justification what so ever.


I can agree with this. I see no reason to know who the moderators are. Though I could see why it might make the job more interesting as a Mod if you can post while doing your job.


I didn't find Snoops comment all that insulting. I see people insult each other far worse on this forum everday.
I guess if you are going to be the one who enforces the standard of forum conduct you should practice it yourself however. I am sure he was just frustrated from a long night of moderation.

I really don't see a problem with the "xxx won the war" threads however. Yeah, they are stupid, but read some of the other threads about naval carriers and whatnot. Those threads are just crap. 7 pages of insults and heresay and 1 page of info.

Wanna talk about pings?





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Then that whole war started in the middle east and a whole bunch of trolls and flag wavers showed up and really ruined the place. I thought it was necessary to close it at the time, but now I kinda miss it. UBI has decided not to re-open a new one so now we talk about vulching and pings.

VaporBlast
06-22-2003, 02:04 PM
I agree 100% with you.
This matter is becoming more and more alarming everyday /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

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XyZspineZyX
06-22-2003, 02:58 PM
I agree with you here, seems to me that 'some' taint the forums for the rest. I don't know their reasoning, but maybe it's done for kicks, if thats the case then I wish they'd go find some other playground to kick a can around in as IMO these forums are worth more than that.

XyZspineZyX
06-22-2003, 03:22 PM
jg77Hawk13 wrote:

- There are way too many attitudes on this board.

True, sad but true.

- Now we have people who are disrespecting
- the moderators who help keep this community pumping
- and even the creator of this game. THat is way way
- way out of line

True, very true.

- I am in full support of the moderators. They have a
- hard time with this board , which has an awful
- reputation among the larger sim community as being
- an arrogant, hostile and egotistical.

Can't say I'm surprised really.

- Why are so many of you so full of self righteous
- bluster anytime you perceive yourself as being
- slighted in the most insignificant way?

You don't think you'll get a sensible reply to that one do you?

- Ego's are running rampant here.

True, sad but true.

- What is wrong with this community?

See above.

- Will it self destruct? Most probably.

Pretty much a safe bet. It's just a matter of time before UBI decide it's just not worth the grief and who could blame them?

The voice of reason has been tried by many people, but has usually been unceremoniously trampled into the dust by the hoards of stampeding ego's all vying for the coveted "Ego on a slider" award.

However, on closer inspection, most of the offending ego's are greatly undermodelled anyway.

There are still some people around here that are polite, informative and are prepared to listen to others opinions without having an apoplexy and blowing their stacks, but you have to dig deep as most don't bother posting here very much now.

Rivet dons his now standard flameproof attire and bids you all good evening.

XyZspineZyX
06-22-2003, 03:31 PM
KSS_Rook_UK wrote:
- I agree with you here, seems to me that 'some' taint
- the forums for the rest. I don't know their
- reasoning, but maybe it's done for kicks, if thats
- the case then I wish they'd go find some other
- playground to kick a can around in as IMO these
- forums are worth more than that.
-

Hm....! Isn't this yours?

""I'll huff and I'll puff, antagonise, insult and flame, but pweease Mr. moderator don't comment it might hurt my pwoor 'ittle feelings""

What was your reasoning there? Did you do it for kicks? Hmmmm.....?



Lead by example.





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XyZspineZyX
06-22-2003, 03:58 PM
I really get a kick out of the elitist minds who will condemn criticism as being a form of disrespect to this forum and its mods. In truth, the opposite is case. Those who speak out appreciate the mods and care for this forum at least as much as you. Yet you, the Frank Burns of this world, seem to think only you have the talent for appreciation and all things good in life, while anyone who disagrees with you is a form of unter mensch whose voice must be silenced.


I'd also like to request from the elite judgement minded who classify certain threads 'tainted' is a definition of 'tainted' as well as some examples of 'tainted' threads. Who are you to decide anyway? And why? Because the thread might not appeal to your sense of what? Honor? Propriety? Or is it really just because your threads aren't as popular?

A forum, any forum, should have appeal across the spectrum of users and should not be censored to the will of any who wish to be Thought Police. And the forum regulators should show no bias. Hard to do, but that must be the goal.



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XyZspineZyX
06-22-2003, 04:36 PM
This may be a bit OT for the way this post is going but not as far as the Subject Title - if it weren't for Tully I'd still be bouncing and smashing head first into the ground on every landing.

Now I make almost perfect two point landings - thanks Tully! /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

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XyZspineZyX
06-22-2003, 05:14 PM
The mods are all big boys. They don't need anybody standing up for them.

I think a requirement of being a mod is a very thick skin. Some of them didn't seem to have it, and had to leave.

Getting the forum members to obey the rules, and be repectful, is a pipe dream. It will never happen. You just have to weed out the trouble makers.

Make me a mod. None of you clowns will bother me.

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XyZspineZyX
06-22-2003, 05:32 PM
Ahh, but Buzz, the first thing you would have to do is moderate yourself. Your sig has a swastika in it and that's a big nono. That's my second favorite complaint from the do-gooders, your sig offends me! My #1 favorite complaint is, children might see this! Copperhead is a master of that.

Seriously, why would anyone want to be a mod here? There must be other less strenuous leisure time activities like defusing bombs or training rabid animals.




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XyZspineZyX
06-22-2003, 05:34 PM
No problem. My sig changes with the weather../i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

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XyZspineZyX
06-22-2003, 05:35 PM
Seems to me that some noobs with less than 10 posts who have been here for 18 months .... or some frightened wannabees who hide behind noob monikers... have much to say 'bout the way things should be run.

The mods have a tough job to do. Comes with the territory. Let them do their job w/out personal bias and they have all my support and respect. Snoop seemed to have had a lapse of judgement... it was noted...get over it. Lets move on.

If you are interested in a non-salty forum w/out any surprises Martha Stewart has some things you might be interested in perusing instead of being here and getting your panties all inna bunch.

I come here not to be bored to sleep with a bunch of posts about how high/low a hemline should be.

just sayin

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XyZspineZyX
06-22-2003, 05:42 PM
Damn why didn't I visit in the last few days. Seems like I missed all the fun /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

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XyZspineZyX
06-22-2003, 07:18 PM
Almost all of the replies so far are extremely good examples of the problems indicated in Hawks post. And don't jump to the conclusion that that "10 postings" means what you in depreciating tone calls a noob! I have been here for years but for different reasons tend to change my alias from time to time.

My 0.02?

MaxViking aka MaxMaster aka etc

XyZspineZyX
06-22-2003, 07:44 PM
MaxViking wrote:
- Good post!
- First of all get rid of the stupid sigs and rankings
- as they have no other purpose than to keep the over
- inflated inflated. Secondly moderators shouldn't
- need to explain or justify their actions, just lock,
- delete and ban as necessary. Break the rules three
- times and you're gone forever.
- The moderators shouldn't participate in the forums
- but rather be anonymous to all members to eliminate
- the risk of them being dragged in (down) to
- discussions about their decisions.
- S!Mods
- Just my 0,2?
- Viking

I disagree whith the eliminating of the rankings....but i totally agree with the anonymous mod thing. All the mods should just have a sig of MODERATOR...if they want to post in a thread then they can sign in under their name as long as it is not in a moderator capacity...unless they just want the heat..but the option for them to be anonymous should be there and should be used for enforcement.



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XyZspineZyX
06-22-2003, 07:48 PM
I agree with mods being anonymous...it would make thier lives a lot easier.I havent visited over the wkend, could someone fill me in (as far as possible) on what happened to Hellcat?

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XyZspineZyX
06-22-2003, 07:50 PM
The__Dude wrote:

- I really get a kick out of the elitist minds who
- will condemn criticism as being a form of disrespect
- to this forum and its mods. In truth, the opposite
- is case. Those who speak out appreciate the mods
- and care for this forum at least as much as you.
- Yet you, the Frank Burns of this world, seem to
- think only you have the talent for appreciation and
- all things good in life, while anyone who disagrees
- with you is a form of unter mensch whose voice must
- be silenced.


Allthough I heartfully agree with the intention of your post, lets face some facts here:

Hellcats "critic" was in content, tone and style completely ridiculous. EVERY other user`s post would have seen an immediate lock (and not after 4 pages full of crap) and the user facing a ban for insulting a mod. I`m not going to speculate about the reasons for this kind of "special treatment", but these are the facts.

"Rook" had EVERY right to accuse Hellcat of being hypocritical, if facing the story behind. That this guy enjoyed "your" kind of "special treatment" in form of insults and "gang banging" only for stating his disagreement with Hellcats ranting is a very nice side-note in that thread, while you are talking about "the right of critic" here.

And then again its kinda lame to focus your critics on some ironical remarks of a mod (since when are the BPs that thin-skinned?), while your frustrations are going in a completely different direction: Ubi.


- I'd also like to request from the elite judgement
- minded who classify certain threads 'tainted' is a
- definition of 'tainted' as well as some examples of
- 'tainted' threads. Who are you to decide anyway?
- And why? Because the thread might not appeal to
- your sense of what? Honor? Propriety? Or is it
- really just because your threads aren't as popular?


Since we are talking about the GD-forum and NOT about a PL, it is not "popularity" what makes a thread justified in first line. And allthough I appreciate a good sense of humour, I find a huge number of spam-threads mostly disturbing on THIS forum. Might be a question of taste, but I like to believe that the majority here is of the same opinion. Talking about a PL is a completely different case, but then name it like that instead of running lame attacks against a mod.



- A forum, any forum, should have appeal across the
- spectrum of users and should not be censored to the
- will of any who wish to be Thought Police. And the
- forum regulators should show no bias. Hard to do,
- but that must be the goal.


Sounds nice, but facing the reality of internet-boards I highly doubt that this works without rules. And rules are for everyone, and not only for "10-post" users.

XyZspineZyX
06-22-2003, 07:54 PM
MaxViking wrote:
- Good post!
First of all get rid of the stupid sigs and rankings
- as they have no other purpose than to keep the over
- inflated inflated. Secondly moderators shouldn't
- need to explain or justify their actions, just lock,
- delete and ban as necessary. Break the rules three
- times and you're gone forever.
- The moderators shouldn't participate in the forums
- but rather be anonymous to all members to eliminate
- the risk of them being dragged in (down) to
- discussions about their decisions.
- A mod could very well be a girl in the office with
- no knowledge of FB browsing thro the forum a couple
- of times a day and without prejudice taking whatever
- action needed without giving any explanation or
- justification what so ever.


Well I like the sigs as you can tell. I like the anonymous thing. The Rank I agree is a problem. I could care less how many times someone has posted. Was any of it relavent? I say set rank to a time honored thing. Mark the time you signed up and it goes higher the longer you stay invovled. Have it set to show activity too, Like last time signed in or something. Most people get experience at stuff by spending time there, watching and listening. Not running thier mouths or fingers so to speak.

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XyZspineZyX
06-22-2003, 07:55 PM
jg77Hawk13 wrote:
- I first came
- here about one and a half years ago and i don't
- recall it being as hostile and so chock a block full
- of whining.

i recall differently. remember what was going on here in the months after 9/11? remember Isatheprophet?

one of the first threads on this forum i remeber was a 5+ pager wherein HeavyDelta & Arklight and a few other merry fellows ripped each other up over the issue whether a Navy 'Tandem' trainer was side by side or front and back or some such thing.

insults of Oleg have been a constant backnoise all along.

and these 'The End is Nigh' threads are a more or less periodical occurrence, too.

- Now we have people who are disrespecting
- the moderators who help keep this community pumping
- and even the creator of this game.

do you remember what got thrown Stormin's way?
really, nothing much has changed.


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XyZspineZyX
06-22-2003, 08:07 PM
MAD_TOAD

Why do high post counts bother you? If your with a group of guys. Do you stand in the corner, and say nothing? I'm the type of guy who comments on almost everything. Does that make me think i'm better than someone else? Hardly! If you'd been on a forum long enough, and you participate in the conversations. You get a high post count. That's all it shows to me. Anybody who thinks their a big shot, of expects special treatment, because of their post count. Is just plain fecking stupid! Anybody who thinks that that's what high ranked posters think, is just as......(fill in the blank).

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XyZspineZyX
06-22-2003, 08:38 PM
Wrong again.



leonid05 wrote:
-
- The__Dude wrote:
-
-- I really get a kick out of the elitist minds who
-- will condemn criticism as being a form of disrespect
-- to this forum and its mods. In truth, the opposite
-- is case. Those who speak out appreciate the mods
-- and care for this forum at least as much as you.
-- Yet you, the Frank Burns of this world, seem to
-- think only you have the talent for appreciation and
-- all things good in life, while anyone who disagrees
-- with you is a form of unter mensch whose voice must
-- be silenced.
-
-
- Allthough I heartfully agree with the intention of
- your post, lets face some facts here:
-
- Hellcats "critic" was in content, tone and style
- completely ridiculous. EVERY other user`s post would
- have seen an immediate lock (and not after 4 pages
- full of crap) and the user facing a ban for
- insulting a mod. I`m not going to speculate about
- the reasons for this kind of "special treatment",
- but these are the facts.
-
- "Rook" had EVERY right to accuse Hellcat of being
- hypocritical, if facing the story behind. That this
- guy enjoyed "your" kind of "special treatment" in
- form of insults and "gang banging" only for stating
- his disagreement with Hellcats ranting is a very
- nice side-note in that thread, while you are talking
- about "the right of critic" here.
-
- And then again its kinda lame to focus your critics
- on some ironical remarks of a mod (since when are
- the BPs that thin-skinned?), while your frustrations
- are going in a completely different direction: Ubi.
-
-
-- I'd also like to request from the elite judgement
-- minded who classify certain threads 'tainted' is a
-- definition of 'tainted' as well as some examples of
-- 'tainted' threads. Who are you to decide anyway?
-- And why? Because the thread might not appeal to
-- your sense of what? Honor? Propriety? Or is it
-- really just because your threads aren't as popular?
-
-
- Since we are talking about the GD-forum and NOT
- about a PL, it is not "popularity" what makes a
- thread justified in first line. And allthough I
- appreciate a good sense of humour, I find a huge
- number of spam-threads mostly disturbing on THIS
- forum. Might be a question of taste, but I like to
- believe that the majority here is of the same
- opinion. Talking about a PL is a completely
- different case, but then name it like that instead
- of running lame attacks against a mod.
-
-
-
-- A forum, any forum, should have appeal across the
-- spectrum of users and should not be censored to the
-- will of any who wish to be Thought Police. And the
-- forum regulators should show no bias. Hard to do,
-- but that must be the goal.
-
-
- Sounds nice, but facing the reality of
- internet-boards I highly doubt that this works
- without rules. And rules are for everyone, and not
- only for "10-post" users.
-
-
-
-
-
-
-



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XyZspineZyX
06-22-2003, 10:14 PM
RE: In support of the moderators...YES! /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

RE: In support of a free-for-all, anarchic forum where people can engage in scapegoating and unscrupulous behavior...NO!

With that said, I'm sure the ********ers will show up and start accusing me of the very same behavior they habitually engage in...the usual weak attempt to discredit me. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

For some, it is easier to spread misinformation and malice than to act in the honorable manner befitting of the combat flight sim communities I have been a part of for many years before the advent of IL-2...

Snoopy has been around for MANY years in the combat flight sim community, and his position as a respected, honored member of the community is beyond the reproach of the Johnny-come-latelys that have established themselves as malcontents and agitators.

~S~ to all those in the community who wish to make this a more friendly, hospitable environment.

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XyZspineZyX
06-22-2003, 10:26 PM
leonid05 wrote:
-
-
-
- And then again its kinda lame to focus your critics
- on some ironical remarks of a mod (since when are
- the BPs that thin-skinned?), while your frustrations
- are going in a completely different direction: Ubi.
-


Get over yourself leonid. It's all about the BP's to you. Envy does not wear well on you dude... change your schtik.



Then Max wrote
"And don't jump to the conclusion that that "10 postings" means what you in depreciating tone calls a noob! I have been here for years but for different reasons tend to change my alias from time to time."



So then it needs to be asked are you, and I quote from earlier .... "some frightened wannabees who hide behind noob monikers... "
Listen false-noob I wear my badge on my chest for all to see. If I have a lapse of judgement I get corrected but my name remains the same. I don't go hiding behind some ghost name to make a point I am afraid to say by my own moniker.

Its about responsibility I guess.... capece?



just sayin

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XyZspineZyX
06-22-2003, 10:29 PM
I missed what happened but I will always fully support my fellow mods decision.
They've been around and know how to call em.

This board, the General Discussion Forum, is the largest UBI forum.
Up to date it contains more than a quarter of a million posts.
We got it all in here. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif
The current mods got thick skins and can handle most.
Just don't talk bad about our mothers. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-mad.gif /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

One day we get kicked by one of you. Next day u wanna make love to us. So we temp ban u. Next day we praice your intelligencen and contribution to the boards.
Just the way the story goes.


Now lets all go to the pub and have a beer and a laugh. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

Cheers!

XyZspineZyX
06-22-2003, 10:44 PM
Ven,

We want the list of the guys who want to make love to you../i/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif

We need to weed out the weird ones.

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XyZspineZyX
06-22-2003, 10:47 PM
BuzzU wrote:
- Ven,
-
- We want the list of the guys who want to make love
- to you../i/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif
-
-
- We need to weed out the weird ones.

U sure u want that list to be public, Buzz? /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

XyZspineZyX
06-22-2003, 10:51 PM
FoxThree wrote:
-
- leonid05 wrote:
--
--
--
-- And then again its kinda lame to focus your critics
-- on some ironical remarks of a mod (since when are
-- the BPs that thin-skinned?), while your frustrations
-- are going in a completely different direction: Ubi.
--
-
-
- Get over yourself leonid. It's all about the BP's to
- you. Envy does not wear well on you dude... change
- your schtik.



/i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif


Damn, you`re right, ermm, what was your name?

Since "it`s all about the BPs" to me, may I assume that they`ve sent their third-line-agitators to attack me?



For what lame reason should I feel envy to you guys?

I`ve done my homework long enough to work over my prejudices against your squad, and I still have a lot of sympathies for the more reliable guys in there, allthough trolls and wanna-be big guys like you are working hard on proving me wrong.


I was talking to g00se, just in case you should have missed that.

If g00se should need your assistance, which I doubt, he`ll let you know for sure.

Nice try anyway, a "new user" might have been impressed. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

XyZspineZyX
06-22-2003, 10:53 PM
Good comeback Ven. Who helped you? /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif

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XyZspineZyX
06-22-2003, 11:01 PM
Isn't it funny how the BPs always resort to some version of the line "You're just envious that you can't be in our squad" when they're under fire...like every Tom, **** & Harry secretly wants to be in their clique? /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

Reminds me of Kindergarten playground politics where kids think their group is best and harangue every other group in a demented attempt to bolster their own lack of self-worth...

If that's truly what they think, I feel sorry for them. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif

Wouldn't it be great if people could just get over their petty resentments and treat each other the way THEY would want to be treated?

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XyZspineZyX
06-22-2003, 11:04 PM
Taz said:

Wouldn't it be great if people could just get over their petty resentments and treat each other the way THEY would want to be treated?


Jesus said that 2000 years ago.

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XyZspineZyX
06-22-2003, 11:14 PM
BuzzU wrote:
- Taz said:
-
- Wouldn't it be great if people could just get over
- their petty resentments and treat each other the way
- THEY would want to be treated?
-
-
- Jesus said that 2000 years ago.


Actually, he was reaffirming Torah that was written by Moses 2000 years before him. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif



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XyZspineZyX
06-22-2003, 11:24 PM
Icarus999 wrote:
-
- KSS_Rook_UK wrote:
-- I agree with you here, seems to me that 'some' taint
-- the forums for the rest. I don't know their
-- reasoning, but maybe it's done for kicks, if thats
-- the case then I wish they'd go find some other
-- playground to kick a can around in as IMO these
-- forums are worth more than that.
--
-
- Hm....! Isn't this yours?
-
- ""I'll huff and I'll puff, antagonise, insult and
- flame, but pweease Mr. moderator don't comment it
- might hurt my pwoor 'ittle feelings""
-
- What was your reasoning there? Did you do it for
- kicks? Hmmmm.....?
-
-
-
- Lead by example.
-
-

ok Icarus, there was two reasons for that:

1. I've found straight talking with Hellcat to be difficult at best, so I was putting it in a manner that I thought might be on his level.

2. you say 'lead by example', I couldn't agree more, if more people did that there would be far less of a problem. It would also stop a few threads that start off good from going way off topic into a flaming war etc etc, from getting locked. So no it wasn't done for kicks, it was making IMO a perfectly valid point.

Call me a whiner but I do sense a build up of sentiment regarding alot of posts in these forums, I've heard people say we need to accept it as 'it's real life'. Hmmm.. maybe but does that mean we have to lay down and take for the cheap satisfaction of a few. In a word no.

And BTW I'm not preaching (as have previously accused of by a few) Just my little 'ol opinion.

(Rook now fully expects to be flamed, so in advance I'll respond first - gravy..)/i/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif

XyZspineZyX
06-22-2003, 11:27 PM
Taz,

Nope! They had the Ten Commandments. Jesus just simplfied it, and made it easier to apply.

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XyZspineZyX
06-22-2003, 11:34 PM
leonid05 wrote:
-
- Since "it`s all about the BPs" to me, may I assume
- that they`ve sent their third-line-agitators to
- attack me?


You are delusional now leo. Itsa conspiracy and "they" are all out to belittle you.... You don't need "our" help for that.

FYI This thread is about a mod having his last word before locking a post. For whatever reason he did it , he did. Pigz were brought into this by ... youz guys. Get over it leo it is not always all 'bout da pigz.

-
- For what lame reason should I feel envy to you guys?


I am at a loss... you tell me.


-
- I still have a
- lot of sympathies for the more reliable guys in
- there, allthough trolls and wanna-be big guys like
- you are working hard on proving me wrong.


I am more of a "Family" guy.... capece? Save your sympathies for someone who gives.


- If g00se should need your assistance, which I doubt,
- he`ll let you know for sure.

You losin me here... your point? Is this where I am supposed to align you with buzzadowhoperwhatever?

The mods have a tough job to do and were aware from the start what was involved. I respect them for the contribution they are giving this forum. That being said they like us must stand up for their own words. A little more so I would guess.


Leo you make too much of assumptions... by doing that you prove your ignorance. Maybe you should get back to your homework and leave the important stuff for the grownups.


just sayin



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XyZspineZyX
06-22-2003, 11:38 PM
Fox - you might not remember but leonid was one of the few people to venture over into our old forum after a certain incident involving Galen T., trying to find out what was really going on. he's hardly an enemy of our squad.
au contraire, frere, he's given us plenty of support in the German Forum.

as for the mods: you've got the worst volunteer job i can think of - you just can't do right. it should be in the job description.

and still you try. that's worth supporting.
of course, you are smart enough to know that some of the critizism that's coming your way is not personal but directed towards the institution, which, in a way, is an acknowledgement of your authority and a trust in your willingness to change things around here, be it neccessary or not.

yes Taz. you are NO better than any of the so-called troublemakers around here.
what have you ever done around here than yap-yap-yap?

i asked you personally a while ago why you didn't apply to be a moderator yourself if you saw so oh much wrong in this here forum.
you answer was "i don't care enough".

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XyZspineZyX
06-22-2003, 11:38 PM
KSS_Rook_UK wrote:
- Call me a whiner but I do sense a build up of
- sentiment regarding alot of posts in these forums,
- I've heard people say we need to accept it as 'it's
- real life'.


As you probably know, it isn't "real life", as I'm sure you don't encounter this type of behavior in your day-to-day activities anymore than I do...

Since I moved to NY seven years ago, most of the friends I have made are US Marshalls assigned to the Federal Court of Manhattan.

These are some of the best America has to offer, and a majority of them are ex-military special forces vets...with that said, I have never, I repeat NEVER heard them engaging in the type of misbehavior that some ascribe as "normal" to the military condition.

Moreover, I feel we should all act honorably on the forums here, regardless of our backgrounds and political leanings, out of respect for our gracious host and the fine people from the community who have volunteered to moderate the activities herein.

In such a respectful environment, it would be easier for the mods to identify troublemakers and trolls spamming the forums for the sake of being disruptive.

~S~

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XyZspineZyX
06-22-2003, 11:38 PM
I wish you guys would stop bringing up Buzzthe********. New guys think your talking about me, and I catch crap down the line from them.

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XyZspineZyX
06-22-2003, 11:43 PM
harryw wrote:
- yes Taz. you are NO better than any of the so-called
- troublemakers around here.
- what have you ever done around here than
- yap-yap-yap?

Obviously to you that is all it is, but I'm not the only one who has observed disturbing behavior on IL-2's forums...

- i asked you personally a while ago why you didn't
- apply to be a moderator yourself if you saw so oh
- much wrong in this here forum.
- you answer was "i don't care enough".


Really, I don't seem to recall that response at all...I do remember applying to moderate the forums and receiving no response from our illustrious "Community Manager", I also stated that fact on several posts where people spread misinformation as you have just done. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif


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XyZspineZyX
06-22-2003, 11:55 PM
Good jobs mods.

I don't think I could take it.

S!




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XyZspineZyX
06-22-2003, 11:58 PM
you asked Hunter to install you as a moderator. no application.

and i do recall your initial reply very well. i'm not know as someone who'd spread misinformation around here, Taz.

you are as controversial here as RBJ to as many people. as controversial as the BP. you're no better and no worse. you just have another point of view.

and i repeat: all you have done around here is yap-yap-yap. there's very few people who have done more than that, to be fair - like providing training missions, skins, campaigns, the FAQ, technical help etc.

but those people are NOT the ones lamenting the state of the forums in virtually all of their posts.

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XyZspineZyX
06-22-2003, 11:58 PM
BuzzU wrote:
- I wish you guys would stop bringing up
- Buzzthe********. New guys think your talking about
- me,


I see your point Buzz, /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif

harry, my prob is when all the BP's are lumped together as "them" or "they". I am my own man and have no need for another to pull up my pants, when I get lumped together as a bad guy for thingz I have no control over I assume the perp has the condition known as "pig envy" History has proved this to be correct. If leo indeed does not have this condition I am sorry for diagnosing it as such. My bad.

I stand by what I write, percieve me by my own words, correct me when I am wrong, but when making assumptions you have lost the argument.

The mods are doing a fine job here and it shows. Sometimes I think they allow too much leeway but that is their call, I'll not second guess them. Still we are all acountable for our words , posted under some ghost moniker or mod status. I know I have not the patience to do their job.

cheers mate

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XyZspineZyX
06-23-2003, 12:00 AM
Wshat? Ive been her a month now and havent seen much of your so called egotistical and arrogant attitudes. Most people her are helpful and good chaps with a good sense of humor. I dont think you can come here after jusy posting 10 posts and act like mr. knowitall

XyZspineZyX
06-23-2003, 12:09 AM
FoxThree wrote:

- harry, my prob is when all the BP's are lumped
- together as "them" or "they". I am my own man and
- have no need for another to pull up my pants, when I
- get lumped together as a bad guy for thingz I have
- no control over I assume the perp has the condition
- known as "pig envy" History has proved this to be
- correct. If leo indeed does not have this condition
- I am sorry for diagnosing it as such. My bad.
-

that's just one of the things that comes with being part of a squad (or movement, ahem). doesn't sit well with anybody, but we DID do the same thing to the 69th (even if you weren't part of it). people are better at remembering the squad's name than the individual.
i've learned my lesson back then and i just don't want to see that kind of thing repeated if i can help it.

please believe me: leonid does NOT bear a grudge.



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XyZspineZyX
06-23-2003, 12:10 AM
BuzzU wrote:
- Taz,
-
- Nope! They had the Ten Commandments. Jesus just
- simplfied it, and made it easier to apply.

You think the "Ten Commandments" is the entire Torah?

Jesus said many things about Moses' teachings/law (aka Torah) and the teachings of the Judeo prophets...you should really study it a little more in depth before you assume you understand...

"You shall not take vengeance, nor bear any grudge against the children of your people, but you shall love your neighbor as yourself: I am the LORD."

Leviticus 19:18

"Therefore, whatever you want men to do to you, do also to them, for this is the Law and the Prophets."

Matthew 7:12


I could go into more depth regarding Jeshua's (aka Jesus) teachings regarding Torah, but that would not be the purpose of this forum. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

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XyZspineZyX
06-23-2003, 12:13 AM
broder_balle wrote:
- Wshat? Ive been her a month now and havent seen much
- of your so called egotistical and arrogant
- attitudes. Most people her are helpful and good
- chaps with a good sense of humor. I dont think you
- can come here after jusy posting 10 posts and act
- like mr. knowitall

you are right. it's mostly about vendettas and personal grudges. you'll learn everything about it once you've been here for a while...

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XyZspineZyX
06-23-2003, 12:18 AM
Taz,

Not interested in any conversations about religion anymore. What I first said is correct, and you didn't need to comment on it. No reponse needed.

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XyZspineZyX
06-23-2003, 12:25 AM
harryw wrote:
- you are right. it's mostly about vendettas and
- personal grudges. you'll learn everything about it
- once you've been here for a while...


True, although some of us come here with a clean slate each day hoping for the best. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

Unfortunately, for some of us, we have a good memory and are able to recognize patterns of behavior that define a persons character, or lack thereof (e.g. personal attacks, quasi-porno behavior, attacks on squads made by another, er, "movement")...I have been here since the beginning, and I remember it all (I was born with a photographic memory, that at times can be a curse as much as a blessing /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif ).

As I stated before, it all comes down to personal choices, that we make on a day-to-day basis...hopefully most of us choose to be honorable towards the Il-2 forums, mods and community as a whole from this day forward...

Only time will tell. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

~S~



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XyZspineZyX
06-23-2003, 12:54 AM
To all of you, thank you to those who supported my position directly or indirectly, to those of you who want to continue to attack feel free (rolling donut analogy)

I'm frankly amazed that one reply to one post could generate such a fan base! I'm chuffed, pleased and over the moon that people have spent sooo much time having a go at me this weekend rather than posting the usual crap.

Result I would say /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Just look at GD and ORR it's never been better, some BS yes but things are improving, as usual by stealth, PM's to people and just keeping an eye on things. You do not know what mods have to do.

If anyone wants to try the mods job go for it, to me it has been a hard job. Something I could manage easily if it was the only thing I did, but anybody who knows me understands I have many coals in the fire.

React as you wish, I will not capitulate to anyone.


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XyZspineZyX
06-23-2003, 12:56 AM
TaZ,
i. too, have a very good memory. maybe i have a more forgiving mind than you do, then. i've been here from the very beginning , too.

i've seen your attitude change over time. you used to be more relaxed about things - i haven't really seen the general attitude of the forum change though. it's as good or bad as it's always been.

think about it - don't you feel that as you spend more and more time on a forum you get sensitized to the comments of the characters you've grown to know? a new person around here wouldn't catch all the innuendos and implications. you (and some other people) seem to look for nothing BUT that.

it's really not that bad around here. i just don't get what you want this place to be - heaven on earth? a place where everybody respects each other? get REAL! don't tell me your neighborhood is that perfect. - or, if it is, please let me know where you live!

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Hunter82
06-23-2003, 01:37 AM
OK so the 10 commandments are just cliff notes for the torrah ? I'm just working this out.


I smack you all with a herring

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XyZspineZyX
06-23-2003, 01:37 AM
Burp

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XyZspineZyX
06-23-2003, 01:46 AM
Herring? HA! I smack you with a king tuna../i/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif

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XyZspineZyX
06-23-2003, 01:46 AM
Hunter82 wrote:
- OK so the 10 commandments are just cliff notes for
- the torrah ? I'm just working this out.
-
-
- I smack you all with a herring


More like an encapsulation...and keep your smelly fish to yourself! /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif



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XyZspineZyX
06-23-2003, 02:10 AM
Leonid, I just read your post which apparently you meant for me, but frankly, I have no idea what you're talking about.

If what the purists want is a forum where nobody questions anything except Trim, FMs, and Oleg, then have fun. Lick each other to death. But if they think that their opinion is the only opinion worth anything, then they become the biggest hypocrits of all.

***I'm the Dude. So that's what you call me. That, or Duder. His Dudeness. Or El Duderino, if, you know, you're not into the whole brevity thing***

XyZspineZyX
06-23-2003, 02:22 AM
A 2 paged thread without any peaches?

Buzz, I'm disappointed. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-mad.gif

XyZspineZyX
06-23-2003, 02:23 AM
I would say there are a bunch of fuzzy peaches in here.

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The pilots lounge was this place you could go to find some humor. Sure, there were some flame wars, but generally it was a good natured place to hang out for a laugh or two.

Then that whole war started in the middle east and a whole bunch of trolls and flag wavers showed up and really ruined the place. I thought it was necessary to close it at the time, but now I kinda miss it. UBI has decided not to re-open a new one so now we talk about vulching and pings.

XyZspineZyX
06-23-2003, 02:28 AM
I thought everybody needed a peach rest.

Da Buzz
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XyZspineZyX
06-23-2003, 02:28 AM
So I guess you can see, Rook -

Just about everyone can make the same responses you did: "I was talking down to his level" makes a great cover, as does "I was making a perfectly legit point."

See the problem? Almost everyone will have the same perfect excuses, so they're not so perfect after all (IOW, when one size fits all, it can't fit very well, can it?)


In short, either one "rises above," or one does not. But it's not a good idea to fail to rise, while at the same time lecturing everyone else who has also failed to rise.

Which is about as close as I'm going to get to flaming you, /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif



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Eeeeeeeeeee.......

XyZspineZyX
06-23-2003, 02:39 AM
EURO_Snoopy wrote:
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- React as you wish, I will not capitulate to anyone.
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I really don't think this is about capitulation at all. I urge you to take another look at the comment that started this whole thing. While I personally do not find it offensive, I can see how someone else might.

Surely there is some room in you for seeing how perhaps you made a mistake? That maybe it's not such a good idea to make cutting remarks while closing a thread? If you think you are being held to a higher standard, then - yes, you are.

But remember, you also have more power than the average person here. Surely with power comes responsibility. Or else, why not make anyone and everyone a moderator?

Just remember, changing behavior doesn't mean capitulation, unless you choose to make it so.



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Eeeeeeeeeee.......

XyZspineZyX
06-23-2003, 03:20 AM
Icarus999 wrote:
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- Surely there is some room in you for seeing how
- perhaps you made a mistake? That maybe it's not
- such a good idea to make cutting remarks while
- closing a thread?


Give the man a ceegar. I thought that was the whole point of this thread.



Then Taz wrote

"True, although some of us come here with a clean slate each day hoping for the best.

Unfortunately, for some of us, we have a good memory and are able to recognize patterns of behavior that define a persons character, or lack thereof (e.g. personal attacks, quasi-porno behavior, attacks on squads made by another, er, "movement")...I have been here since the beginning, and I remember it all (I was born with a photographic memory, that at times can be a curse as much as a blessing ).">snip<


Look ma itsa a man riding in onna white horse.... No wait a minute itsa whited sepulcher full of rot and bones.

You may have a higher opinion of yourself Taz but the rot and stink of your whited facade precede you... be sure

Judge not Taz lest you yourself will be judged. nuthin personal you know.

i'm just sayin



fox out

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XyZspineZyX
06-23-2003, 04:06 AM
FoxThree wrote:
- Look ma itsa a man riding in onna white horse.... No
- wait a minute itsa whited sepulcher full of rot and
- bones.
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- You may have a higher opinion of yourself Taz but
- the rot and stink of your whited facade precede
- you... be sure
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- Judge not Taz lest you yourself will be judged.
- nuthin personal you know.


I'm crushed Fox, just crushed! /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

BTW, can't you use one of those silly photoshop edited pics of me next time...I need a good laugh. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif



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