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chris455
12-13-2005, 01:35 PM
(note- this discussion pertains to encounters with AI A/C only)


"Head to head fights are lost, not won".

Most of us have heard that admonishment at one time or another. Especially in PF, deliberately going head to head with the AI will more often than not, get you killed. As your nose wobbles to and fro, and you desperately strive to put your death dot on the dancing enemy, the lynx-eyed marksmen manning the AI planes draw a bead on you which seldom misses.
Couple this with the fact that many aircraft have engines that are seemingly made of Mikasa china, and, well..............you get it. At best, even a good pilot will only triumph about 60% of the time or so in a H2H engagement with the AI. Tops. H2H is best left to those who crave humiliation.

The problem with this is that I fly a Jug about 90% of the time. Sure, I take little "vacations"
from time to time in other planes, but there is something about the P-47 that I always gravitate back to. And I love flying in the PTO- my favorite theater. Major Neal Kearby, CO of the 348th FG, and his men certainly showed that the P-47 was more than a match for the highly maneuverable Japanese A/C in the South Pacific, provided proper tactics were used.

The problem in PF is, how do you get nose position on a nimble fighter like the Ki-43 or Ki-61 in a school bus like the Jug ??? Turning is NOT an option. It is axiomatic that trying to turnfight with Japanese fighters in US aircraft, especially the Jug, is akin to committing suicide. Yes, you can seperate horizontally with relative ease, but then what? As soon as you have established turning room and have the little bastage in your sights, guess what?

He's got YOU in HIS sights .

Kinda reminds me of an old Army adage:

If the enemy is in range, so are you


The result? A H2H scenario, in which your chances of losing are a little better than half.
There's just got to be a way to better the odds.

I recently began experimenting with skidding as a means to confound the AI at the merge and throw off their gunnery.(for anyone confused by the term "skkiding", it is, at it's simplest, a maneuver wherein one applies rudder in one direction, and aileron in another, such that the aircraft's line of advance and thrustline are no longer synonymous)

I practiced in QMB until I got it down to close to perfect. I was able to escape the enemy shells nearly 100% of the time. And if I did get hit, it was usually superficial damage. Better yet, even with the AI set on "ace" (all testing I did were at this setting) the AI's tendancy to ram into me were effectively nullified. Great stuff.


But it would take more to emerge victorious, time and again, in a H2H engagement than just not getting shot. I had to destroy the enemy.

And holding a steady aim during a skid was, at first, about twice as hard as doing it without skidding. But I practiced. And practiced. And slowly, I got it:

Hellcat vs Zero (http://members.cox.net/miataman1/H2H.zip)

Even though in this track I'm flying a Hellcat (another great aircraft of WWII), this tactic works in any aircraft against AI fighters.

Many people who have already uncovered this "secret" will wonder why I even posted this, but I felt that many might benefit from learning a new tactic to hone their skills offline. Heck, this might even work against some human pilots, I have yet to try. Study the track, climb into a QMB and give it a try. If nothing else, it's fun to see the AI so confused and befuddled that they can't even shoot.
Enjoy!
Chris

huggy87
12-13-2005, 01:45 PM
ith the fact that many aircraft have engines that are seemingly made of Mikasa china, and, well..............you get it. At best, even a good pilot will only triumph about 60% of the time or so in a H2H engagement with the AI. Tops. H2H is best left to those who crave humiliation.

The problem with this is that I fly a Jug about 90% of the time. Sure, I take little "vacations"
from time to time in other planes, but there is something about the P-47 that I always gravitate back to. And I love flying in the PTO- my favorite theater. Major Neal Kearby, CO of the 348th FG, and his men certainly showed that the P-47 was more than a match


"axiomatic"
I am reaching for my dictionary.

vanjast
12-13-2005, 01:47 PM
Just shoot straight.. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

LameDuck.
12-14-2005, 10:29 AM
I would like to hear more discussion, when an opponent has a significant turn advantage.
Veteran or Ace AI seem to have quite good SA, especially after the first pass (duh).

chris455
12-14-2005, 12:33 PM
Originally posted by LameDuck.:
I would like to hear more discussion, when an opponent has a significant turn advantage.


Exactly. In my example of P-47 vs Ki-43, the H2H encounter is almost certainly going to come about, dut to the differentail maneuvering capability of the two A/C. The skidding method I demonstrate in the track is one way to emerge victorious for the energy fighter. I believe that many aces scored victories this way. It is said that a significant number of Bongs victories were scored in H2H engagements.

Bremspropeller
12-14-2005, 12:35 PM
The AI woll shred your kite apart (at least in veteran or ace status) - but most human players get screwed by my headons http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/59.gif

chris455
12-14-2005, 01:04 PM
Originally posted by Bremspropeller:
The AI woll shred your kite apart (at least in veteran or ace status) - but most human players get screwed by my headons http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/59.gif

Look at my track, Brems- the AI needn't shred you any longer. That was my reason for posting. The skid technique confounds the AI, making it possible for you to win the H2H every time. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif (vs AI)

Bremspropeller
12-14-2005, 01:22 PM
Seems like you've spoken out the sentence of death for numerous AI pilots http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/59.gif

Thanks a lot ! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif