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XyZspineZyX
07-02-2003, 07:28 AM
I fly every day. Some I win and some I lose. Its the nature of the game.

Gabriesky downed himself when he had a prop strike while attacking an enemy field.
Nowotny was killed in his 262 by mere Mustangs.
Galland was hospitalized after being shot down by Mustangs again in a 262.
Marsielle hit his own tail after bailing out. He died when he failed to deploy his chute. He bailed because of engine trouble, no enemy action.
MaGuire died chasing an Oscar. He got low and slow and lost it.
The list goes on. These were men who REALLY knew how to fly. My little two years cant compare to these guys. Never to mention thier beeeehind was on the line.
The P-47 is a good plane. Sure it does not fly like anything else. It was the heaviest single seat, single engine fighter of the War. But its got the goods. It is as american as they come. HotRod fast with the punch of 8x.50cals. It can take a Beating and keep on Ticking. Call it Machine Gun Kelly in an Armored T-Bucket. Make me mad in this one and you better pack a lunch. LoL.
More importantly, instead of whining lets not forget that we would still be flying CFS 2(LAME!!!) if it was not for this Oleg Maddox and his flying circus. Let us focus on the positive.
I flew the P-47 offline to get comftable in it. In QMB this one seemed hopeless at first. THen slowly it started to get better. Last night I scored a few kills flying against 109K and G10 aircraft. The 111 did not stand a chance and for once the runaway 190 was cought.

XyZspineZyX
07-02-2003, 07:28 AM
I fly every day. Some I win and some I lose. Its the nature of the game.

Gabriesky downed himself when he had a prop strike while attacking an enemy field.
Nowotny was killed in his 262 by mere Mustangs.
Galland was hospitalized after being shot down by Mustangs again in a 262.
Marsielle hit his own tail after bailing out. He died when he failed to deploy his chute. He bailed because of engine trouble, no enemy action.
MaGuire died chasing an Oscar. He got low and slow and lost it.
The list goes on. These were men who REALLY knew how to fly. My little two years cant compare to these guys. Never to mention thier beeeehind was on the line.
The P-47 is a good plane. Sure it does not fly like anything else. It was the heaviest single seat, single engine fighter of the War. But its got the goods. It is as american as they come. HotRod fast with the punch of 8x.50cals. It can take a Beating and keep on Ticking. Call it Machine Gun Kelly in an Armored T-Bucket. Make me mad in this one and you better pack a lunch. LoL.
More importantly, instead of whining lets not forget that we would still be flying CFS 2(LAME!!!) if it was not for this Oleg Maddox and his flying circus. Let us focus on the positive.
I flew the P-47 offline to get comftable in it. In QMB this one seemed hopeless at first. THen slowly it started to get better. Last night I scored a few kills flying against 109K and G10 aircraft. The 111 did not stand a chance and for once the runaway 190 was cought.

XyZspineZyX
07-02-2003, 07:45 AM
Pointing out errors in an aircrafts FM, backed up with Historical data is not 'Whining'. The roll rate for the Jug is off (amongst other things) so I would think a little before you post such BS.

Where's SkyChimp when you need him? /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

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XyZspineZyX
07-02-2003, 07:54 AM
Good post Maiko.
I fly the Jug ALOT. It has one of the best (IMO) flight models in the game. I got tired of singing it's praises, few want to listen. So I fly it instead.
Yes, the rollrate is less than stellar, I hope this will be addressed in the patch.
I hope that is ALL that gets addressed. The rest of the package is fine, just fine.

PS I like your Hot Rod analogy /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif
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XyZspineZyX
07-02-2003, 07:56 AM
It may rock but it sure as hell doesn't roll.

XyZspineZyX
07-02-2003, 07:57 AM
LOL Mulla /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

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XyZspineZyX
07-02-2003, 08:13 AM
Oh, roll rate.... I thought you were going to say something like "It dont have a 30mmUBER LazerTerminator" He he he

Lighten Up Dude! Sure I agree its not perfect. But lacking any seat experience in the P-47, or real wartime Data, Iam just pointing out that its not as Useless as people think. There is fun to be had with this aircraft. I also suggest you check the speedo before you make any "data" comparisons. THis one likes to go fast. At 500+ you are not rolling nothing fast! and at 550 you are not rolling JACK!! Speed is deceptive in the Jug. Feels like 300 and your at 550. I beleive its as good a match to the 109 as it was in RL. No its not a Ferrari or a Porshe, More like a HemiSuperBeeCharger.... with Guns.

XyZspineZyX
07-02-2003, 09:19 AM
I agree! I was put off flying the P47 because of all the complaints but I started flying it a couple of weeks ago and it's an excellent aircraft.

OK it doesn't roll well, but it can take massive damage and still fly, the 8 50's rip up anything in their path, and it's climb is excellent. Perhaps the best thing about it is once you get the momentum up it's real fast. If you fly it right you can keep it above 400 even in twisty dogfight.

And most important of all.....easiest plane to land in the game. Important for me anyway (never landed a Bf109 successfully yet!)

You know what they say, a bad workman blames his tools... :P

XyZspineZyX
07-02-2003, 10:17 AM
Head on Passes with the 109s are a thing of the past. They no longer dare.

XyZspineZyX
07-02-2003, 11:12 AM
The P-47's not bad as it is, although the roll rate is definitely a bit slow. It also suffers from a problem that seems to affect all the aircraft in FB, namely that they all accelerate in dives at about the same speed. Try diving a P-47 away from a Bf 110 and you will find it's very hard to lose it. A pity, because the P-47 should be a great fun ride if played to its strengths of speed, dive, toughness and firepower.

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RocketDog.

XyZspineZyX
07-02-2003, 11:29 AM
Any plane can be fun to fly with if you do not want it to be the best next plane with everything perfect. In fact, its great fun to dive in the very early planes and have a go with those! You may not down a lot but it sure is a lot of fun to fly!

I think there are just too many that are concerned with faults in a plane they forget they still can have fun with it /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

Loved your post Maico /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

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Zayets
07-02-2003, 11:30 AM
I have 3 favorite planes so far in FB and it goes like that: FW190 -A8 , Bf109F4 and P47 1943 model altough I fly all of them. I found myself lately playing almost P47 exclusively and I don't know why! FW , Bf are way more agile and fast. The Jug has a huge weapon pack but this will slow him down.If I am chassed by faster planes (and almost everything is faster than the Jug in the game) , my only escape is to stall. The Jug "breaks" really hard to make the hunter overshooting you. So , my only escape is a deliberate stall , full rudder , stick back. But I found it really dangerous especially online. Twice , the ones hunting me from dead six were so surprised that they flew right into me! Offline , this tactic will kill you 100%. AI pilots have a morbid pleasure to shoot stalling planes. If you're stalling up there , the AI pilot will burst halfsecond and section your wing , killing the pilot , killing the engine , emptying the fuel tanks. All that in less than 1 second. The situation changes when i have 3 mates with me on Veteran level. This way we found that we can beat a 4xLa5FN on same level. I don't know , but I think that in dives , the Jug is really easy to catch by a LaGG or Yaks. When leveling out the speed doesn't grow so easy and fast. Is frustrating because you know the plane is heavy! Anyway and anyhow , I still love the Jug as long as I have to do ground attack missions. In dogfight 1vs1 is no match but 4 vs 4 is a good one.
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XyZspineZyX
07-02-2003, 11:40 AM
hi!

The downed 262 were shot when either taking off or landing!
They were very vunerable at those stages and needed escort when takingoff/landing by 190's and 109's

XyZspineZyX
07-02-2003, 11:48 AM
hi, nowotny was not shot down.

Hurt and enraged by the justified criticism from the Fighter General Galland, Nowotny took off in a unserviceable Me 262 on 8 November 1944, flying against U.S. heavy bombers with fighter escort. His last words heard over the radio were: "I´m burning! My god, my god! I´m burning!"


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XyZspineZyX
07-02-2003, 12:20 PM
I saw interviews on TV with old Mustang pilots who said that once they got wise to the 262 they could get 'em in the air, as well as on take off/landing.

262 was a great, seminal plane but, methinks, only in the right hands, of which there were only a few by the time it came into service.

Don't see why Nowotny couldn't have been shot down, sounds like at best noone knew what happened, apart from the fact that he was on fire.

XyZspineZyX
07-02-2003, 12:59 PM
I fly the P-47D-27 all the time online and I have found it to be more than capable even in the one on one arena. Although I never complain about the Jug, I usually just try to promote it, but those that do complain I wouldn't call them whining. yes some do whine but some of their criticisms are pretty valid. The one major flaw, which has already been brought up here, is the ability to dive away from any opponent. That's the one thing I hope is addressed in the patch, if anything else is improved then great but I am just looking forward to being able to use some of that weight we P-47 pilots carry around. Other than that its great plane to fly online and off.

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XyZspineZyX
07-02-2003, 03:31 PM
The Jug is all myself (By the way the main reason I came to FB was for a properly modelled Jug) and my squad fly. I love it despite the flaws in its's FM and DM. While I agree the roll rate is off, the dive (Which I agree affects everything in the game), but the most important thing is the top speed but this also affects the whole game. One thing to remember the Jug was one of the fastest prop fighters of WWII (433 MPH in the D model, 467 in the N). Another thing that is lacking is the paddle blade props, which affects its zoom ability. Despite these errors, which is all I think they are and will be addressed as best as they can be I still fly Jug and love it! And we have been very successful with in DF servers, because if it flown correctly it still kicks a$$!
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XyZspineZyX
07-02-2003, 03:39 PM
In an energy fight If I allow an enemy to get too close, I have to give The Jug time to accelerate. Not good. But I expect it. Its heavy. This is not a beginers plane. Never will be.
Nowotny was coming home from a mission and he was Ambushed by mustangs. Galland disengeged the Mustangs and flew home wounded. He was "done"for the war. I was setting examples of pilots who where much better than I.


I just figured out what is my angle.... OH MY GOD, I have been a P-39 Pilot for about a year!!!

XyZspineZyX
07-02-2003, 04:49 PM
One accurate thing is it's sturdiness, I got jumped by a 190 the other night, took a lot of hits, my engine was smoking but I made it back to base. Unfortunately I lost flaps and gear on final (neither would deploy. Are hydraulics modeled?????) and tried to crash land at 200mph, needless to say it didn't go well /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif .

I agree about the dive and roll issues, better dive acceleration, and higher roll rate are a must.

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Message Edited on 07/02/0311:50AM by roybaty

XyZspineZyX
07-02-2003, 05:19 PM
"Call it Machine Gun Kelly in an Armored T-Bucket. Make me mad in this one and you better pack a lunch. LoL."

Hahaha!

I once fearlessly charged P-47's online. Not anymore. The dedicated P-47 drivers are starting to understand thier planes, so charging them is out of the question. As usual, once a pilot knows his machine, everything becomes equal (too bad most people just dont understand that).

Nowadays, if I see a P-47, I keep my distance and control the fight in a way that suits my strengths. This usually means we don't fight at all, but if I can catch him with a disadvantage, and i've got a pair of rockets underwing, its definately on.

Once that thing can roll as well as gain speed in a dive, its going to live up to its nickname.


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XyZspineZyX
07-02-2003, 05:29 PM
Lol what every abouts its ability in real life I think after the P-40 its the worst plane in the game just about everything the axis has eats for breakfeast. Can't climb for anything medium speed, poor acceleration. Awfull in the turn. They are key elemts for success in a dogfight so its pretty dismal in that respect. I will admit its good armour and excellent ground attack capabilitys salvage some use in co-ops game but its pretty rare on the dogfight severs for good reason. As I have aid elsewhere on this forum it and the P-40 are the only planes not to have knocked out of the sky or on the ground even and I play a huge amount.

XyZspineZyX
07-02-2003, 05:48 PM
roybaty wrote:
- One accurate thing is it's sturdiness, I got jumped
- by a 190 the other night, took a lot of hits, my
- engine was smoking but I made it back to base.
- Unfortunately I lost flaps and gear on final
- (neither would deploy. Are hydraulics modeled?????)
- and tried to crash land at 200mph, needless to say
- it didn't go well

The Fw uses electric motors for flaps and u/c.


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XyZspineZyX
07-02-2003, 05:51 PM
Sure they got few 262-kills, but I believe that that the raw number of P-47s was so much higher, also I wouldn't imagine it beeing too hard, if the P-47s have the E-advantage and 262 only concentrate on shooting the bombers.. and 262 had it flaws.. 262 engines are very weak..

I think P-47 is good at the moment, but it is still relatively hard to get kills with it.. thought its almost impossible to shoot down with German 20 mm and german 13 mm MGs.... only think that has some effect on P-47s is the MK108/MK103. Atleast when it comes to hitting the fuselage.. Once the roll rate and weaker guns (compare P-47 guns to P-40, P-40 has much more effective guns for some reason..) gets fixxed it will be as deadly as 190.. (almost /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif )

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XyZspineZyX
07-02-2003, 07:11 PM
Stavanger_1 wrote:"....P-40....Awfull in the turn...."

Ha...ha...ha.....!

Oh that felt good.


Lixma,

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XyZspineZyX
07-02-2003, 07:31 PM
I was talking about the P-47 there .P-40 is awfull in every other department though

XyZspineZyX
07-02-2003, 08:16 PM
How do you guys fly the later P-47's?? The slip indicator isn't modeled, so how do you trim??

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07-02-2003, 08:22 PM
Trim??

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XyZspineZyX
07-02-2003, 09:11 PM
I fly all the 47s online, offline and in my dreams...they have issues but they are flyable. here is nothing in this sim that makes it unplayable so I just manage with what I have and have a blast.

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XyZspineZyX
07-02-2003, 09:18 PM
Ummm, I was in a P47, I was jumped by the 190.

MiloMorai wrote:
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- roybaty wrote:
-- One accurate thing is it's sturdiness, I got jumped
-- by a 190 the other night, took a lot of hits, my
-- engine was smoking but I made it back to base.
-- Unfortunately I lost flaps and gear on final
-- (neither would deploy. Are hydraulics modeled?????)
-- and tried to crash land at 200mph, needless to say
-- it didn't go well
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- The Fw uses electric motors for flaps and u/c.
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XyZspineZyX
07-02-2003, 09:49 PM
The jug can dive, but it sure as hell can't climb!

XyZspineZyX
07-02-2003, 10:04 PM
I like how it doesnt bounce when you land on a grassy airstrip.