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XyZspineZyX
10-12-2003, 12:13 AM
What do you think abot these :
http://www.sim-outhouse.com/index.php?page=news&loc=news&newsid=340

XyZspineZyX
10-12-2003, 12:13 AM
What do you think abot these :
http://www.sim-outhouse.com/index.php?page=news&loc=news&newsid=340

XyZspineZyX
10-12-2003, 12:14 AM
and some screans:
http://www.sim-outhouse.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&postid=40313#post40313

looks beatiful, isn't?

XyZspineZyX
10-12-2003, 12:16 AM
Looks great...too bad it's CFS3

Can't wait till 2005 when Oleg and crew can put it out properly...

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XyZspineZyX
10-12-2003, 12:20 AM
Hmm i interesting how abot FM/DM in these addon. Game looks great. Maby FM are tuned up in addon compare to CFS3?

XyZspineZyX
10-12-2003, 12:31 AM
Screenshots look great, but every time I've loaded that dog sim..I've regretted it.

Just a waste of time.

CFS2 was far superior to the CFS3.

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XyZspineZyX
10-12-2003, 12:36 AM
These is a opinion from one virtual pilot:
" ... Don't know if anyone else here has got bob yet but id just like to comment on the FM's they feel just right for each individual AC full of character even down to the negative g effect on the carb on spit and hurri, excelent stuff well done you guyz at AE....."

XyZspineZyX
10-12-2003, 12:36 AM
Look at the cockpits! the hurri cockpit is ok for CFS3 standards but, only up to half as good as the FB ones. The He-111 looks horrific from the inside! I also hope they change the sound of the diffrent planes. I expected an engine of 1000-1500hp to produce a diffrent sound then the standard cessna-172 engine! But, according to microsoft, they sound the same!

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XyZspineZyX
10-12-2003, 12:46 AM
Phenomenally well detailed aircraft with interactive cockpits and state-of-the art animation. Highly accurate and detailed models of:

Hawker Hurricane Mk1 two blade, wooden propeller in early BEF colours of 87 Squadron.
Hawker Hurricane Mk1 two-blade, two crew "Two-up" Special 87 Squadron.
Hawker Hurricane Mk1 three blade, with two texture sets - 56 and 303 (Polish) squadrons.
Supermarine Spitfire Mk1A in four sets of textures - 19 Squadron, 610 Squadron, RJ Mitchell tribute aircraft and a "Captured" example in German Markings.

Heinkel He111, with two texture sets - Kg 53 and Kg 55.
Junkers Ju87B Stuka with two texture sets Stg 41 and Stg 77.
Bf109E in four texture sets - JG26, "Wick" (early and later) and JG3.
16 flyable models in total
. All the models feature highly detailed and immersive cockpits and animated surfaces and features
. Authentic markings.
. Authentic sounds.
. 20 Royal Air Force missions.
. 20 Luftwaffe missions.
. Ai (Artificial Intelligence) aircraft are featured in the missions.

The missions are set in chronological order. Each is taken from a particularly noteworthy day during the battle and is a replica of events for that day, even down to the weather and time.

Missions are designed so that they can be experienced from both sides. There are detailed scenery improvements to the locations used in the missions and a full suite of special effects is included, featuring searchlights, audible air raid sirens which trigger when you approach a target, bomb flares, improved smoke effects, and more realistic tracer fire plus more.

XyZspineZyX
10-12-2003, 12:58 AM
Kwiatos wrote:
- Hmm i interesting how abot FM/DM in these addon.
- Game looks great. Maby FM are tuned up in addon
- compare to CFS3?


Absolutely right Kwiatos the stock cfs3 AC are horrible but these are very nice like some of the other quality 3rd party AC for CFS3.

The problem is alot of people play it dont like it which isnt suprising cosidering the stock planes etc and put it on the shelf, with the right addons tweaks it can play and look good.

With regards to engine sounds the spit and hurri in this addon pale any engine sound in FB they are spot on realistic, also many can be downloaded from sim-outhouse the 109,110 p47 engine sounds are spot on.

Its just a matter of opinion realy i like both cfs3 and FB but with a bit of time and effort cfs3 can be made good......





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XyZspineZyX
10-12-2003, 01:01 AM
CFS3 doesnt have any online community of pilots flying. every time i check there are about 3 people playing. if that. and the lagg in cfs3 is a joke. most planes are ufo ing all over like theyre lagging out of game. but thats normal for cfs3. its about unplayable online for half the pilots in a game. and thats with dsl and a screamin top end system. cfs3 took ten steps back when it was released from previous games

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XyZspineZyX
10-12-2003, 01:33 AM
Kwiatos

I respect your enthusiasm for the CFS3.

It's just that there are so many issues and technical problems with CFS3, which still haven't been resolved. CFS3 has been out now 1 year. CFS3 just isn't worth the effort and frustration.

If I didn't have an IL2-FB I'd be doing, Jane's WW2 Fighters, European Air Wars and Rowan's Battle of Britain. In fact, I still have them on my HDD and fire them up occasionally. Each of them has their merits, and being old sims you'd think they weren't that good...surprise. All these old sims run great with the WinXP, patches and addons.

I'd rate the three above CFS3, except maybe for graphics. The graphics are not bad in those old sims either.

If you haven't tried IL2-FB you might look into it. The FB is selling on Ebay for like $9 US last time I looked.(a bargain) Most of us paid $40+ for it when it came out.

The problem is like most posters on these boards...I don't really have the time to properly do more than one sim. So, it's just best to concentrate on the best, the IL2-FB.

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XyZspineZyX
10-12-2003, 01:55 AM
cfs3 is very fun to play and I still do play it and the sounds are 1000 times better, better fps and better multiplayer sync but the ground graphics are horable compaired to fb and cfs3 does have a big community, 3rd party addons for sale are a joke tho and would never buy them for a game that seemed more outdated then cfs2.

the reason i left the ms series is because of cheats and thats one thing ms will never get rid of thats why il2 is so much better in my book

and look at the so called quality people seem amazed which shocks me it looks so horable compaired to il2fb. Aeroplane heaven charges way to much for the quality of product, AH simtech simflight are responsible for recruiting the good freeware modelers for that I was always dislike them.



Message Edited on 10/12/0301:02AM by LeadSpitter_

XyZspineZyX
10-12-2003, 02:08 AM
jensenpark wrote:
- Looks great...too bad it's CFS3
-
- Can't wait till 2005 when Oleg and crew can put it
- out properly...

I went back to CFS2 because of the nonsense fm and view problems to name a few with FB. CFS3 with the upgrades that are available for it can be fun. They may have dropped the ball when they released CFS3, but to say you will wait 2 years for a game that may or may not be any good is humorous. Who's to say this addon for CFS3 is not a forerunner for a new sim. CFS games have always been community friendly as far as scenery and plane add ons. I fly with people I know, so 1% planes can be used, and are far more accurate than UBI ever hopes to be. Dont like the engine sounds? Import new ones. Try that with FB. Try any tweak with FB. FB is just a lot of eye candy. Shoot a plane down in CFS2 and tell me its not more realistic looking than FB. The views in the planes are better and more realistic. The nice pretty trees, buildings, pop rivets in the planes are all fine. But do they serve any purpose? FB is good and could be the best. But I dont think that will ever be the case. I have 3 UBI games and 3 MS games. 1 of the UBI games is total crap. A complete waste of money. The other 2 are IL2 and FB. IL2 outdated by FB. The 3 MS games I have are all good games. I wouldnt put all my faith in Oleg and crew to do anything properly. Of course, we all waited a year for the patch just to be let down on several issues. But we did get that nice dust cloud for taking off lol. IMO CFS2 is the best all around sim.

XyZspineZyX
10-12-2003, 02:16 AM
Prodigy1962 oh really. I would like the name of the pot dealer that sold you that stuff you're smoking! LOL! What a troll/new fake user post. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

XyZspineZyX
10-12-2003, 02:20 AM
The cockpits are horrible, simply horrible. So is everything else about CFS 3.

XyZspineZyX
10-12-2003, 02:36 AM
No not a new fake user troll post. New user because I left a squad over FB. I hang around in hopes they might get something right around here. meanwhile I fly CFS2. Have you flown CFS2? Its a very good sim. May not have the fancy graphics for the ground, and the planes may not be quiet as pretty to look at, but its hard to beat. I dont smoke dope. You seem more than willing to. And I certainly dont fall into the oleg worship circle that so many like yourself do. I keep an open mind and who ever has the best (all around) game gets my vote. And right now, its CFS2.


BlackPhenix wrote:
- Prodigy1962 oh really. I would like the name of the
- pot dealer that sold you that stuff you're smoking!
- LOL! What a troll/new fake user post.

XyZspineZyX
10-12-2003, 04:41 AM
For me it comes down to difficulty, pretty damn easy to shoot down enemy aircraft in CFS2, heck of a lot harder in FB. Thats why FB is the king.

XyZspineZyX
10-12-2003, 05:49 AM
Prodigy1962, sure. You know you are trolling with this post. IF you truly love M$ then why waste any of your time here with us and our inferior developer and sim? Right /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

So many trolls, so much idle time. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

XyZspineZyX
10-12-2003, 06:29 AM
Dolemite-

>>The cockpits are horrible, simply horrible. So is everything else about CFS 3.<<<

You really sure about that?

http://46th.net/pictures/b17-2.jpg

http://46th.net/pictures/b17-4.jpg

http://46th.net/pictures/b17-7.jpg

http://www.shockwaveproductions.net/firepower/picts/b17-tt.jpg

http://www.shockwaveproductions.net/firepower/picts/b17-tt-3.jpg

Zeke

XyZspineZyX
10-12-2003, 10:20 AM
reisen52 wrote:
- Dolemite-
-
- >>The cockpits are horrible, simply horrible. So is
- everything else about CFS 3.<<<
-
- You really sure about that?

The new pits look reasonable but everything else still sucks.

Bad AI, the enemy on ace level can be beat with ease and your own wingman are completely useless besides drawing away fire from you.
Bad flight model, even with the 1% planes you can do some serious unrealistic flying.
Bad damage model, this is really really bad, no armor modelled, no nothing modelled, your plane just starts to loose control over all surfaces when you get damaged.
Very poorly made gunsight, it's just a ms paint drawing.
The ground looks like crap, most stuff is 2D worked in the normal ground texture with some 3D elements to make it look like something it's not, it looks pretty nice from high up but down low it looks like sh!t.
The water is a complete joke, it looks like it's made by some 3 year old in ms paint because he was bored since it was raining outside.

I rather wait for Oleg's BoB game instead of wasting money for this garbage.

XyZspineZyX
10-12-2003, 10:29 AM
I'm hoping that BoB will combine the great FM and DM of FB, with the visual quality (and obscene polycounts) of the 3rd party material made for CFS3, the scope and granduer of a true dynamic campaign system, wrapped up and polished in a fast, intuitive, stable, bug free package.

That, my friends, is flight simmer paradise.

XyZspineZyX
10-12-2003, 12:08 PM
I really can't understand where some of you guys are coming from. IL2 graphics are superior, but in my opinion the CFS2 1% flight models imported from AV History are superior. Using the 1% complex engine management is as good as anybodys. Torque effects are much better. On take off, when you wind in a big engine on a small airframe you get a lot of torque, Far more than the rudder can off-set until considerable speed is reached. When you take off in a K-4 you are going to have to apply a lot of right brake until the rudder becomes solidly effective. CFS2 has differential braking so brake contol is possible on take-off. Sometimes when a landing gets out of hand differential braking can save your bunions when judiciously used. I play ant game I want to, and write in any forum I want to. I play IL2, FB, CFS1 and CFS2. I'm going to but CFS3 just as soon as the add-ons I want are available. FB is a great sim, no question about it. Maddox needs tp address some things. Taking off from a shart field without differential braking is ludicrous. I want Maddox to improve his sims. Apparantly some of you think that by your ridiculing critisism Maddox is satisfied. Your'e right. But that's not exactly the way to get an improved sim.

XyZspineZyX
10-12-2003, 01:16 PM
prozac70 wrote:
- I really can't understand where some of you guys are
- coming from. IL2 graphics are superior, but in my
- opinion the CFS2 1% flight models imported from AV
- History are superior. Using the 1% complex engine
- management is as good as anybodys. Torque effects
- are much better. On take off, when you wind in a big
- engine on a small airframe you get a lot of torque,
- Far more than the rudder can off-set until
- considerable speed is reached. When you take off in
- a K-4 you are going to have to apply a lot of right
- brake until the rudder becomes solidly effective.
- CFS2 has differential braking so brake contol is
- possible on take-off. Sometimes when a landing gets
- out of hand differential braking can save your
- bunions when judiciously used. I play ant game I
- want to, and write in any forum I want to. I play
- IL2, FB, CFS1 and CFS2. I'm going to but CFS3 just
- as soon as the add-ons I want are available. FB is a
- great sim, no question about it. Maddox needs tp
- address some things. Taking off from a shart field
- without differential braking is ludicrous. I want
- Maddox to improve his sims. Apparantly some of you
- think that by your ridiculing critisism Maddox is
- satisfied. Your'e right. But that's not exactly the
- way to get an improved sim.

To each his own, I don't feel the 1% FM is so much better then the FB FM.
Both have their good and bad parts and for me the FB FM and most of all the damage model draws me over the line since the CFS series dmage model is total bull, as well as the no armor value.
All weapons do damage to everything in the game, you can even shoot fortified concrete bunkers into a pile of rubble with machine guns.
And on top of that you can also shoot tanks like the king tiger with machine guns and actually destroy it.

And I want good gameplay as well and the CFS series don't match up because the totally crap AI spoil everything.
The enemy don't use team tactics at all and your team mates are useless.
Hell, I have been shot down more by my own guys then by the enemy since they like to shoot through me when I am on someone's six.
They also do a lot of kill stealing as well, even shooting at planes that are tumbeling towards the ground in flames.

And the CFS series are also poor in the multiplayer department.

So all of this added together makes CFS3 a waste of money in my view.
And waste even more money for payware expansion packs?

No thanks.

XyZspineZyX
10-12-2003, 01:28 PM
Your opinion is respected but for some this is certainly not a waste of money especialy expansion packs which take the sim another step in the right direction...



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Message Edited on 10/12/0312:29PM by johno__UK

XyZspineZyX
10-12-2003, 01:46 PM
I will not plat a flight sim whose code is open to mutilation. I don't care what a plane fly's like or the cockpit eyecandy. Don't matter, code is for *hit.

XyZspineZyX
10-12-2003, 01:48 PM
Don't confuse the B17 shots with Battle of Britain. Those shots are from FirePower for CFS3, developed by Shockwave Productions.

FirePower aircraft can be seen at www.shockwaveproductions.net/firepower (http://www.shockwaveproductions.net/firepower).
Scott.


Message Edited on 10/12/0301:44PM by SWaveSMG

XyZspineZyX
10-12-2003, 01:50 PM
reisen52,
Those screens are very nice. I don't see why those cockpits would be any worse than in FB. Ofcourse, the standard ones are crap but these are very nice. Some of those add-ons have some very detailed planes as well.
However in my opnion CFS3 can never compete with FB because FB is so much better for online gaming than CFS3.

XyZspineZyX
10-12-2003, 02:02 PM
Cappadocian_317 wrote:
-
- prozac70 wrote:
-- I really can't understand where some of you guys are
-- coming from. IL2 graphics are superior, but in my
-- opinion the CFS2 1% flight models imported from AV
-- History are superior. Using the 1% complex engine
-- management is as good as anybodys. Torque effects
-- are much better. On take off, when you wind in a big
-- engine on a small airframe you get a lot of torque,
-- Far more than the rudder can off-set until
-- considerable speed is reached. When you take off in
-- a K-4 you are going to have to apply a lot of right
-- brake until the rudder becomes solidly effective.
-- CFS2 has differential braking so brake contol is
-- possible on take-off. Sometimes when a landing gets
-- out of hand differential braking can save your
-- bunions when judiciously used. I play ant game I
-- want to, and write in any forum I want to. I play
-- IL2, FB, CFS1 and CFS2. I'm going to but CFS3 just
-- as soon as the add-ons I want are available. FB is a
-- great sim, no question about it. Maddox needs tp
-- address some things. Taking off from a shart field
-- without differential braking is ludicrous. I want
-- Maddox to improve his sims. Apparantly some of you
-- think that by your ridiculing critisism Maddox is
-- satisfied. Your'e right. But that's not exactly the
-- way to get an improved sim.
-
- To each his own, I don't feel the 1% FM is so much
- better then the FB FM.
- Both have their good and bad parts and for me the FB
- FM and most of all the damage model draws me over
- the line since the CFS series dmage model is total
- bull, as well as the no armor value.
- All weapons do damage to everything in the game, you
- can even shoot fortified concrete bunkers into a
- pile of rubble with machine guns.
- And on top of that you can also shoot tanks like the
- king tiger with machine guns and actually destroy
- it.
-
- And I want good gameplay as well and the CFS series
- don't match up because the totally crap AI spoil
- everything.
- The enemy don't use team tactics at all and your
- team mates are useless.
- Hell, I have been shot down more by my own guys then
- by the enemy since they like to shoot through me
- when I am on someone's six.
- They also do a lot of kill stealing as well, even
- shooting at planes that are tumbeling towards the
- ground in flames.
-
- And the CFS series are also poor in the multiplayer
- department.
-
- So all of this added together makes CFS3 a waste of
- money in my view.
- And waste even more money for payware expansion
- packs?
-
- No thanks.
-
-

None of you get it do you.Just stick to one sim and try to bury others.I wonder if anyone has playied CFS in100% settings.MG bullets CSN destroy tanks(WWII) in real life depending where thet hit and the velocity of the bullets
You ain't got much clue about army stuff do you.
The same can be with ships,Expessially with some 20mm or30mm bullet if it hits the place where the cannon projectiles storage of the ship are.
It seems in these days that everyone became an expert, oohhh I forgot , they play the "perfect" sim and they have to say what they've been meant to (indirectlly)
The fact the the people still "nagging" about the poor performance of some planes for the day 1 that il2 hit the stores tells all and that is so real pityfull
CFS3 is the best combat sim I have ever purhased and for shure everyone can have his own opinion





Message Edited on 10/12/0303:10PM by amagnum

XyZspineZyX
10-12-2003, 02:11 PM
I too have been temped to reinstall CFS3, 3 times infact, and have regretted it each time. The improved graphics of the BoB add on will make tha game even more of a pig, No thanks, I'd rather play CFS2, and why even bother when Il2-FB is avaiable.

XyZspineZyX
10-12-2003, 03:17 PM
amagnum wrote:
- CFS3 is the best combat sim I have ever purhased
- and for shure everyone can have his own opinion
-

Then why are you here in the IL2-FB wasting your time making troll posts? It's funny how these trolls are here instead of in the M$ forums where they can share their happiness with others that fly CFS v 1,2,3,plus outragous paywares?

Break it up nothing to see here. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif




Message Edited on 10/12/0307:20AM by BlackPhenix

XyZspineZyX
10-12-2003, 03:56 PM
We knew the Battle of Britain was an oversaturated theater from the start. Hopefully, 1C:Maddox won't be hurt too badly by attempting to re-do it once again.

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XyZspineZyX
10-12-2003, 04:05 PM
Cossack13 wrote:
- We knew the Battle of Britain was an
- oversaturated theater from the start. Hopefully,
- 1C:Maddox won't be hurt too badly by attempting to
- re-do it once again.
-


By 2005 someone else might even try their hand at making it. Somehow I don't see Oleg lossing any sleep over the prospect of 'an oversaturated theater' because the game will expand into others alomst from the start.

The real issue will be if Oleg and his crew grow enough to realistically consider more broad data for FM and DM for the planes used. Even and when they do, I can see lots of fights about that issue all over. I will check back with you on this issue in a year and a half. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

XyZspineZyX
10-12-2003, 04:06 PM
BlackPhenix wrote:
- amagnum wrote:
-- CFS3 is the best combat sim I have ever purhased
-- and for shure everyone can have his own opinion
--
-
- Then why are you here in the IL2-FB wasting your
- time making troll posts? It's funny how these trolls
- are here instead of in the M$ forums where they can
- share their happiness with others that fly CFS v
- 1,2,3,plus outragous paywares?
-
- Break it up nothing to see here.- Message Edited on 10/12/03 07:20AM by
- BlackPhenix

Talk about troll posts! So far all I have seen you do is follow people around talking about troll posts. Trying to get your barely noticeable post count up? BlackPhenix even sounds like a troll name. Its easy to get to 100. Just keep adding stupid troll comments like yours to every thread you see. People are here because they have the sim and an opinion, which by the way they are entitled to. Is it so horrible for you to see someone mention another game that your mommy wouldnt buy for you anyway? You probably dont even have FB. Shut up stupid! People are getting tired of your post count troll posts.

XyZspineZyX
10-12-2003, 04:08 PM
I must have missed the stock market tip - something happen out there that made everyone say 'do BoB'? Some poll or marketing study?

WW2online is doing a BoB
History Channel, BoB is coming out (www.totalsims.com (http://www.totalsims.com))
CFS3
1C


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10-12-2003, 04:11 PM
Not to beat a dead horse - but a Med sim would have been nice.... http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

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XyZspineZyX
10-12-2003, 04:27 PM
Prodigy1962 wrote:

- Talk about troll posts! So far all I have seen you
- do is follow people around talking about troll
- posts. Trying to get your barely noticeable post
- count up? BlackPhenix even sounds like a troll name.
- Its easy to get to 100. Just keep adding stupid
- troll comments like yours to every thread you see.
- People are here because they have the sim and an
- opinion, which by the way they are entitled to. Is
- it so horrible for you to see someone mention
- another game that your mommy wouldnt buy for you
- anyway? You probably dont even have FB. Shut up
- stupid! People are getting tired of your post count
- troll posts.

What are you talking about? Have you had your prozac today dude? Calling someone stupid because they pointed you out as a troll make ya feel better. Good. I have no problem with that. Ya done? Or do ya want to call me more names?

If you do, why not just PM me instead of 'trying' to get noticed by making weak flames? Why? Because you are a troll and all 10 of your posts have been troll posts. Thats the way it is and I called you on it. Get over it and stop crying like a beeitch.







Message Edited on 10/12/0308:28AM by BlackPhenix

XyZspineZyX
10-12-2003, 04:46 PM
amagnum wrote:
- None of you get it do you.Just stick to one sim and
- try to bury others.I wonder if anyone has playied
- CFS in100% settings.MG bullets CSN destroy
- tanks(WWII) in real life depending where thet hit
- and the velocity of the bullets
-
- You ain't got much clue about army stuff do you.
- The same can be with ships,Expessially with some
- 20mm or30mm bullet if it hits the place where the
- cannon projectiles storage of the ship are.
-
- It seems in these days that everyone became an
- expert, oohhh I forgot , they play the "perfect" sim
- and they have to say what they've been meant to
- (indirectlly)
-
- The fact the the people still "nagging" about the
- poor performance of some planes for the day 1 that
- il2 hit the stores tells all and that is so real
- pityfull
-
- CFS3 is the best combat sim I have ever purhased
- and for shure everyone can have his own opinion

Are you for real or just clueless?

Maybe you failed to notice it but try this in CFS3.

Fly low to the ground (if you can that is) and attack a king tiger from the front in a P-47 and shoot it.
It will blow up after it's hitpoints are decreased to 0.

Well, if you believe that you can bust through the FRONTAL armor of a King Tiger with 12.7mm AP rounds then answer me this, why the hell did they develope planes with 37mm, 40mm, 45mm, 55mm and even 75mm guns to bust tanks if a 12.7mm is good enough to destroy one of the best armored tanks of the war?

And what about the fortified concrete buildings being reduced to a pile of rubble in no time with 12.7mm rounds, what's your view on that?

As for the ships, I am sure it's completely realistic to be able to destroy Destroyers and Cruisers with 60lb rockets and machine guns.........in never never land with Peter Pan as your wingman.

Maybe you need to read up a bit more on weapons and ammo.

XyZspineZyX
10-12-2003, 05:34 PM
BlackPhenix wrote:
- Prodigy1962 wrote:
-
-
- What are you talking about? Have you had your prozac
- today dude? Calling someone stupid because they
- pointed you out as a troll make ya feel better.
- Good. I have no problem with that. Ya done? Or do ya
- want to call me more names?
-
- If you do, why not just PM me instead of 'trying' to
- get noticed by making weak flames? Why? Because you
- are a troll and all 10 of your posts have been troll
- posts. Thats the way it is and I called you on it.
- Get over it and stop crying like a beeitch.
-
-If you think all my posts have been trolling, then you cannot read. Words like beeitch give me an idea of your age junior. You didnt point anyone out as a troll because your WRONG about it. Get your panties in a wad because your wrong...again? You started this remember. And my first reply to your accusations was a polite one. But you wouldnt let it go. I will at this point. Post all your troll threads and replies that you like. I'm through messing with you. God... I sit here and read your reply and just laugh lol. CYA dummy!
-
-
-
-
-
-
- Message Edited on 10/12/03 08:28AM by
- BlackPhenix

XyZspineZyX
10-12-2003, 06:05 PM
Well I don't feel like being called a troll since I fly both games (Im not a drug attick and personal attacks really are not repectful) and have flown a plane before. Plus I know a lot about the history of the planes we fly and pilots that still fly them today. Neither game is perfect and know one has stated that theres is so much better LOL.

We are all looking for a great flight sim game to enjoy online. Agree CFS 3 is buggy, however addons have made the game rather enjoyable for me. I enjoy IL2-FB as well and fly both online and it does run smoother, however I personally hate the graphics my opinion( PLS realize we all can make choices). The mirror in Fb IS ONE AWSOME ADVANCEMENT.

One thing about the cheating in CFS 3 its not possible LOL. In CFS 2 YES cheating was awfull and they fixed that in cfs 3. They made it so tight that it is a pain in online play.

I started with Amiga Falcon way back in history and thought that it was awsome graphics LOL. Looking at were the games are going I hope both companies keep competing for the market. This will only make the games better and the community of online pilots bigger.

I also fly FS 2k4 and prefer a workable VC all the controls work if I grab them with the mouse. The Carrier landing in an open corsair cockpit are fantastic. They adjustable seats are fun. I can possition myself in what I feel was the correct spot.

I hope the FB fellas add theaters in the new BoB and make one complete sim. If they took the best from all the games they would corner the market. I would like to see carries for the early mission in the Atlantic this could lead to a great Med addon.

Well I said my piece I hope that this community is resoectful in that each has an opinion and some may have every game that has ever come out and wasted some money in the process to find something really good LOLOL.

Warriorbear

XyZspineZyX
10-12-2003, 06:09 PM
Prodigy1962-

Take it to PM, otherwise you are just a troll period. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif Down another prozac before you do thanks.

XyZspineZyX
10-12-2003, 06:34 PM
I have read with interest all your differing experiences of all the main players in this wonderful hobby of ours. I for my part have had quite a frustraiting time of it.

CFS1: Provided me with hours of problem free fun. I actully completed the British campaign in this one.

CFS2: I've had nothing but trouble with this one. From day one I have never been able to stop the stuttering. I've run it with a celron333, duron1200 and currently an athlon2000xp. With both Geforce2 and 3 ti200. With both Pc133 and Pc2700 ram. But to no avail. The frame rates are stratosheric but it still stutters. Even after trying what must be every tweak known to man on it. It's a shame really because I've really enjoyed adding new aircraft etc.
IL2 and FB: Believe it or not, I'm now able to run both of these games on exellent settings and get smoother results than on CFS2. I do suffer from micro stutters now and again on both games, but I think that may be a memory issue. Apart from that I think both are WONDERFUL!

As for CFS3: I would like to think that with a bit of tweaking and a few addons it would be brilliant. I think that now the dust has cleared and people are being more level headed some serious headway will be being made. I for one will be more than pleased if Santa drops a copy off on Christmas morning.

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XyZspineZyX
10-12-2003, 06:56 PM
BlackPhenix wrote:
- By 2005 someone else might even try their hand at
- making it.

Yes, it is quite possible that someone else will miss the oversaturation idea and produce yet another Battle of Britain game.

- Somehow I don't see Oleg lossing any
- sleep over the prospect of 'an oversaturated
- theater'...

So maybe he slept through his econ courses at college

- ...because the game will expand into others
- alomst from the start.

Oh wait, you're suggesting that the strength of Oleg's Battle of Britain is that it will move beyond Battle of Britain very quickly!

I see.

Hmmm, why not go to their strengths early and start in the Med, which hasn't been overdone, and use BoB as an addon for those die-hards?

It just makes better marketing sense.

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XyZspineZyX
10-12-2003, 08:27 PM
I for one still fly CFS 2 and here are some things I have added with out anyones permission to enjoy my game more:

1. Freeware planes being released all the time (may have needed work on FM but still overall more to chose from) with no stutter at all.

2. Addon scenery and photrealistic textures to enhance my enjoyment of the surronding area as best the game engine could allow.

3. FSUIPC.DLL which brought us CFO weather and the ability to use Active skies and other weather programs for updating weather and wind patterns diredctly to your game in flight from satalites every 5 minutes in offline and online play.

4. Cloud packs that did there best to make it better (again game engine).

5. Numbers of carriers to take off from; modern to beginning WWII and the theaters to fly the planes in even the MEd and North Africa (I have them all)

6. The ability to download theaters being created and setting up online games in those theaters (NON restrictive map).

The list could go on with how much I have added for free to enhance the cfs 2 Pacific Theater game. I have about 10 disks with all of the downloads for CFS 2.

Not to push this game I just would like someone not to be arrogant and dismiss people who have these games but to say hey what do you find you really like about it and to use that info to help them make the nxt one awsome.

Warriorbear

XyZspineZyX
10-12-2003, 09:17 PM
Hey Cossack don't shoot the messenger. I really think that the bean counters have done the math. They want a lead product that is familiar to as many people as possible. Hey, is it my fault that the MTO is not as well known/popular. Geez. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

XyZspineZyX
10-12-2003, 09:21 PM
I try not to slam CFS3, but I've had a hard time getting into it. I don't spend the time that seems necessary to wade thru mediocre 3rd-party things for the good stuff. So I continue to be disappointed in sounds and cockpits. I have to admit that I'm an eye-candy guy, and inconsistancies really distract me. I know games aren't just about how they look or sound, but it does seem to mess with me. IL2 and FB are not the best graphics I've ever seen, but they're all balanced and the quality is spread across the board, so I settle into to it pretty well. I wish the weather was more "lush," as I've flown for real a bit, and nothing tops the beauty and spacial sense of gobs of clouds. I like that aspect of FS2004, even though the less tricked out landscapes can still be annoying. I am a bit confused whenever someone says CFS3 sounds are good. The fighters sound like a motor boat to me (straight out of CFS?). And I was annoyed that gun sounds seemed to be CFS2 hold-overs (George cannon becomes M2 50 cal in CFS3). For now, I prefer FB and am, pretty much, a shameless Oleg fan. I do agree his works lack some emmersion to set the stage before and after flying. But much is right.

There's a repro Yak-3 flying ourside my window right now (Allison-power, not Klimov). That's how I'd like these sims to sound.

XyZspineZyX
10-12-2003, 09:21 PM
Hey Warrior yep those are good things. However, the guys that fly this sim are use to getting free add-ons and fly online alot. In those two areas the CFS series is not scoring well with the majority.

I don't think anyone that flys WWII would not love having carriers etc.., but not at the expense of the more core reasons that people fly FB for. IMHO

XyZspineZyX
10-12-2003, 09:38 PM
I feel differently thats all that the simulation aspect is more important to emerse one in the era and be able to do everything would be great LOL.

Cause I have found good in all of them.

Just hopes for IL2-BoB.

Warriorbear

XyZspineZyX
10-12-2003, 09:41 PM
warriorbear wrote:
- I feel differently thats all that the simulation
- aspect is more important to emerse one in the era
- and be able to do everything would be great LOL.
-
- Cause I have found good in all of them.
-
- Just hopes for IL2-BoB.
-
- Warriorbear
-
-

Me hopes too /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

XyZspineZyX
10-12-2003, 09:58 PM
This thread is starting to sound like a competition between cfs3 and FB both have their good and bad points, at the end of the day they are both their for everyones enjoyment i think many who put down cfs3 would actualy like it if they downloaded the right stuff and tweaked it cos out of the box and a tweaked ver of the game are two totaly different things altogether.
I don't see how it can benefit anyone by limiting themselves to one sim i for one enjoy both and think others could too if willing to spend a bit of time tweaking cfs but thats just my opinion....

At the end of the day it dosn't matter what anyone says i'll still be playing both, the BOB addon was worth every penny and the sooner oleg does BOB the better it can only benefit us all in the end...



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XyZspineZyX
10-12-2003, 10:11 PM
BlackPhenix wrote:
- Then why are you here in the IL2-FB wasting your
- time making troll posts? It's funny how these trolls
- are here instead of in the M$ forums where they can

- Message Edited on 10/12/03 07:20AM by
- BlackPhenix


Do you know me well from to before to call me a troll you
MORON.There is nothig worse than being close minded you little man and I've been playing il2 probablly before you could spell these letter.

BlitzPig_Rock
10-12-2003, 10:17 PM
amagnum wrote:
-
- BlackPhenix wrote:
-- Then why are you here in the IL2-FB wasting your
-- time making troll posts? It's funny how these trolls
-- are here instead of in the M$ forums where they can
-
-- Message Edited on 10/12/03 07:20AM by
-- BlackPhenix
-
-
- Do you know me well from to before to call me a
- troll you
-
- MORON.There is nothig worse than being close minded
- you little man and I've been playing il2 probablly
- before you could spell these letter.
-

BlackPhenix understands - maybe from my posts in a different thread and maybe not, but he understands now that you have to take it to pm if you want to resort to name calling.

Please take this as a friendly warning in case you missed some of the posts on forum behaviour /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

Cheers





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XyZspineZyX
10-12-2003, 10:24 PM
Cappadocian_317 wrote:
-
- amagnum wrote:
-- None of you get it do you.Just stick to one sim and
-- try to bury others.I wonder if anyone has playied
-- CFS in100% settings.MG bullets CSN destroy
-- tanks(WWII) in real life depending where thet hit
-- and the velocity of the bullets
--
-- You ain't got much clue about army stuff do you.
-- The same can be with ships,Expessially with some
-- 20mm or30mm bullet if it hits the place where the
-- cannon projectiles storage of the ship are.
--
-- It seems in these days that everyone became an
-- expert, oohhh I forgot , they play the "perfect" sim
-- and they have to say what they've been meant to
-- (indirectlly)
--
-- The fact the the people still "nagging" about the
-- poor performance of some planes for the day 1 that
-- il2 hit the stores tells all and that is so real
-- pityfull
--
-- CFS3 is the best combat sim I have ever purhased
-- and for shure everyone can have his own opinion
-
- Are you for real or just clueless?
-
- Maybe you failed to notice it but try this in CFS3.
-
- Fly low to the ground (if you can that is) and
- attack a king tiger from the front in a P-47 and
- shoot it.
- It will blow up after it's hitpoints are decreased
- to 0.
-
- Well, if you believe that you can bust through the
- FRONTAL armor of a King Tiger with 12.7mm AP rounds
- then answer me this, why the hell did they develope
- planes with 37mm, 40mm, 45mm, 55mm and even 75mm
- guns to bust tanks if a 12.7mm is good enough to
- destroy one of the best armored tanks of the war?
-
- And what about the fortified concrete buildings
- being reduced to a pile of rubble in no time with
- 12.7mm rounds, what's your view on that?
-
- As for the ships, I am sure it's completely
- realistic to be able to destroy Destroyers and
- Cruisers with 60lb rockets and machine
- guns.........in never never land with Peter Pan as
- your wingman.
-
- Maybe you need to read up a bit more on weapons and
- ammo.
-
-
I first said DEPENDS WHERE TO hit on the tanks,
Second HEVE YOU EVER FIRED WITH A .50cal to experience it;s
DEVASTATING power this thing can't even be cept in control at firing.I can only SHIVER IF i have to think that 8of them
firing together.
While I was on the nave and in one operation I remember a
SEAL trained sailor making a mistake with his M-16 and the gun fired the bullet went through 3 thick metall Walls of
the ship and ended on the fourth.
Now a 20mm cannon round can do more IF it goes to the projecticles storage that in frigate can be a couple of thousand rounds of ammunition ONE is enough to kiss the ships a$$ goodbye.
Now I don't know where all this craziness about "realism" starts or ends but I speak from experience (more or less) and it is time to understand that THERE IS NO REAL LIFE SITUATIONS-RESPONCES AND DAMAGES IN ANY FLIGHT SIM TODAY
and probably won't be for the next xxx years.
JUST ENJOY WHAT YOU GOT whatever it is, because nagging about this or that for il2 or cfs or go to compare to"mine is bigger than yours"and so on believe me it sounds pathetic.All things have their goods and bads and that's all

XyZspineZyX
10-12-2003, 10:29 PM
BlitzPig_Rock wrote:
-
-
- BlackPhenix understands - maybe from my posts in a
- different thread and maybe not, but he understands
- now that you have to take it to pm if you want to
- resort to name calling.
-
- Please take this as a friendly warning in case you
- missed some of the posts on forum behaviour /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif
-
- Cheers
-

Thanks for noticing and sorry if it sounded a bit harsh.
I just couldn't stand to be offended just because I said my opinion without offending him (in first post)
Cheers

XyZspineZyX
10-12-2003, 10:45 PM
http://www.sim-outhouse.com/forums/showthread.php?s=5c41acb5f042c3b5d1ac1eeac5c8b2b2&threadid=4124 well it's nice to know what you really think! /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

XyZspineZyX
10-12-2003, 10:55 PM
How's the multiplayer working out in CFS3 these days?

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XyZspineZyX
10-12-2003, 11:59 PM
Much better finding out stutter is a factor with different cpu settings that hook up. Also if tweaked the game runs very smooth on the lowest CPU. With a good G card and at 5s settings and everything turned on wow nice game.. However I dont have that high a g card and my settings are not at 5 becaues I would be at 2 FPS LOL. Again when tweaked she is a great sim offline, however online has got a ways to go.

Warriorbear

XyZspineZyX
10-13-2003, 12:06 AM
bad--- the MS server all runs thru is quite Sh!tty these days.

i ve flown from london to Brussels, Paris and Rome today, 2 hours 14 minutes on my B-17g there were exactly 488 Pounds of fuel left when i we arrived, ... and nobody went in to shoot the lot up and play mastadesata with its 109 tho.
enjoyed the netherlands, belgium, the ardennes, luxembourg(where i live) flew over saareBrucken, munchen, the alps, Venezia and headed Rigfht thru Italy to roma. Niiice!

How long does it take to fly once right acreoss the balaton map in a , errr, ahm,,, heinkel he 111?

see? so much for immersion.
Adler/Yakdriver 666

XyZspineZyX
10-13-2003, 01:10 AM
So much love, so little time to spread it all around.

Seriously though it is strange how all of the sudden the forums have been infected by the 'new user' M$ lovers. Then shortly after we have people from payware companies solicting in our forums. Strange indeed. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-mad.gif

XyZspineZyX
10-13-2003, 04:22 AM
Black,

There ya go again a post that is negative towards things said I am not envolved with either company just voicing an Opinion is all. I dont care if you fly it or not makes no difference I just added to the post. I will say again I fly both games and enjoy them both and I'm waiting for the next installment form IL2FB.

I however dont think there will be anymore fixes from CFS 3, but I hope because I like flight simulators. I was probably flying them before you got your first CPU. Just a guess not meant to be negative I have been flying sims for 19 yrs and you.

Warriorbear

XyZspineZyX
10-13-2003, 06:16 AM
warriorbear wrote:
- Black,
-
- There ya go again a post that is negative towards
- things said I am not envolved with either company
- just voicing an Opinion is all. I dont care if you
- fly it or not makes no difference I just added to
- the post. I will say again I fly both games and
- enjoy them both and I'm waiting for the next
- installment form IL2FB.
-
- I however dont think there will be anymore fixes
- from CFS 3, but I hope because I like flight
- simulators. I was probably flying them before you
- got your first CPU. Just a guess not meant to be
- negative I have been flying sims for 19 yrs and you.
-
- Warriorbear
-
-

No not you Warriorbear, it was another guy in another thread that was from the firepower company and he was advertising his for pay product against forum rules. Of course that thread was correctly locked.

Your post have actually been excellent IMHO. You have stated 'your' points well and they are much appreciated. ~S~

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Message Edited on 10/12/0310:17PM by BlackPhenix

XyZspineZyX
10-13-2003, 09:28 AM
amagnum wrote:
- I first said DEPENDS WHERE TO hit on the tanks,
-
- Second HEVE YOU EVER FIRED WITH A .50cal to
- experience it;s
-
- DEVASTATING power this thing can't even be cept in
- control at firing.I can only SHIVER IF i have to
- think that 8of them
- firing together.
- While I was on the nave and in one operation I
- remember a
-
- SEAL trained sailor making a mistake with his M-16
- and the gun fired the bullet went through 3 thick
- metall Walls of
- the ship and ended on the fourth.
-
- Now a 20mm cannon round can do more IF it goes to
- the projecticles storage that in frigate can be a
- couple of thousand rounds of ammunition ONE is
- enough to kiss the ships a$$ goodbye.
-
- Now I don't know where all this craziness about
- "realism" starts or ends but I speak from experience
- (more or less) and it is time to understand that
- THERE IS NO REAL LIFE SITUATIONS-RESPONCES AND
- DAMAGES IN ANY FLIGHT SIM TODAY
-
- and probably won't be for the next xxx years.
- JUST ENJOY WHAT YOU GOT whatever it is, because
- nagging about this or that for il2 or cfs or go to
- compare to"mine is bigger than yours"and so on
- believe me it sounds pathetic.All things have their
- goods and bads and that's all

I fired many different weapons and know the effects well enough.
I also read a lot about WWII tanks and their armor protection.

Fact still remains that in IL2 there is armor values and on the right spot with the right weapon you can destroy a tank with one shot while in CFS3 EVERYTHING has hitpoints and can be decreased to 0 and destroyed with ANY weapon in the game.
This is just one of the many flaws that kills the gameplay for me and combined with the poorly modelled AI it is just too much.
That's my point of view so why did you even bother to jump on me and said that I knew nothing about army stuff for pointing out the CFS3 lame hitpoint system?

It's a well known FACT so it's even useless to try and say otherwise.

XyZspineZyX
10-13-2003, 03:17 PM
All of us can fly any sim we like. Some have found sticking points to all of them. I do think that the gnashing against all things cfs is overdone. IL2 is dicussed on their board frequently and the only roasting I have observed from them is comments on the brutal attacks that occur on this board. All these sims have room for improvement. CFS needs better A1. Also badly needs an Auto-Pilot. FB needs differential braking to make a take-off and some landings anywhere near realistic. Also is the I-16 A1 realistic? Hopefully some of these things will be addressed. None will be addressed if the developers don't know what we want, or how there product stacks up with another product. This senseless flaming of CFS gets us nowhere. They discuss IL2 pretty openly and have shown lots of IL2 screenshots and stuff. Why does this board hate CFS. No one has to play it.

XyZspineZyX
10-13-2003, 03:45 PM
I would prefer to fly Rowan´s BOB upgraded to version 0.97. Much less stutter than the previous ones and as much realism as you could have.
But of course, just my opininon http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

XyZspineZyX
10-13-2003, 04:35 PM
Yeah they look alright

but have we seen pictures of spit in those situations in fb?

we need to compare /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

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XyZspineZyX
10-13-2003, 06:32 PM
Well said prozac70...



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XyZspineZyX
10-13-2003, 09:46 PM
D13-th_Hamm109 wrote:
well it's nice
- to know what you really think!

It is,Pls Check your PM

XyZspineZyX
10-14-2003, 06:55 PM
Heh i try Rowan's BoB with new patch 0.97. FM is very weak for example try make a spin. Impossible. But im still interesting FM/DM of BoB addon for CFS3. I dont think that Oleg M. Team will correct FB FM/DM in some planes in new patch 1.2(