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XyZspineZyX
11-10-2003, 03:13 PM
Is see after the new RC01+02 patch that the E4 still spools up very slowly and RPM is still the same only getting 2300 rpm at full boost in level flight. I am not an expert but I am under the impression that Emil pilots flew with automatic prop pitch settings since there was no real gain using manual controls. This is not the case at present as using manual controls achieves better performance.

Any plans to look at this or change it?

regards

JG5_Emil


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XyZspineZyX
11-10-2003, 03:13 PM
Is see after the new RC01+02 patch that the E4 still spools up very slowly and RPM is still the same only getting 2300 rpm at full boost in level flight. I am not an expert but I am under the impression that Emil pilots flew with automatic prop pitch settings since there was no real gain using manual controls. This is not the case at present as using manual controls achieves better performance.

Any plans to look at this or change it?

regards

JG5_Emil


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XyZspineZyX
11-10-2003, 03:35 PM
bump


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XyZspineZyX
11-10-2003, 05:23 PM
worth another bump


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XyZspineZyX
11-10-2003, 06:33 PM
*BUMPAGE*

I agree

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XyZspineZyX
11-10-2003, 07:23 PM
Will a 1.2b dedicated server be available?
When?

S!
Jagua

XyZspineZyX
11-10-2003, 07:25 PM
Sorry,

Wrong thread...

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Jagua.

XyZspineZyX
11-10-2003, 09:11 PM
bump!


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XyZspineZyX
11-10-2003, 09:39 PM
Out of the original Bf-109E-3 manual:

http://mitglied.lycos.de/eldur190d9/bilder/emilrpm.jpg


2468U/min | 1,45ata - Erh√¬∂hte Kurzleistung (-> 110%)
2368U/min | 1,35ata - Kurzleistung
2326U/min | 1,30ata - Erh√¬∂hte Dauerleistung (-> >100%)

2300U/min is Dauerleistung AFAIK (-> 100%)

XyZspineZyX
11-10-2003, 11:55 PM
Thanks for the post!

So We should at least get more rpm at full boost (110 %) then? The engine spool up (throttle response) seems mighty slow also. It just seems like we are flying in fourth gear all the time.


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XyZspineZyX
11-11-2003, 02:05 AM
Bumping !!

The spool up till is very very slow for the Emil.


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XyZspineZyX
11-11-2003, 05:49 AM
DKP wrote:
- Bumping !!
-
- The spool up till is very very slow for the Emil.


Emil had a max MP/RPM setting from 1.3ata/2500rpm to 1.35ata/2600rpm depending on DB601 variant.

On the other hand spool is very slow on Bf-109. It maybe realistic, perhaps Butch gave this value to Oleg, but we know that Bf-109 had the fastest spool up from all planes. No allied pilot had the courage to decrease the RPM in dive, they adjusted the throttle. The reason for this was because they felt that their props spooled up very slowly compared to they german counterparts.

This is why linked throttle/prop pitch arrangements were never popular with allied pilots, because decreasing the throttle meant cutting the RPM too, which allied pilots could not afford because of the slow change in prop pitch. Of course there were differences between the prop pitch mechanisms, electric, hydraulic props, each of them with different specs.

But keeping the engine at max RPM meant fast overheating. Engines without water injection could be kept for 5 minutes at max RPM, now in FB they can be kept forever!! This is a serious bug. On all CSP props you can switch to max RPM at the beginning and not decrease RPM until landing. Big error!


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XyZspineZyX
11-11-2003, 10:39 AM
bump


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XyZspineZyX
11-11-2003, 01:15 PM
bump


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XyZspineZyX
11-11-2003, 01:41 PM
Every Kommandoger√¬§t has this slight "hole" in the rpm-power-developing. After first reaching max rpm the engine power slightly drops by 300 rounds only to reach max rpm seconds laterr. This can be heard on take-off.

Is it historical? I hope so...

muffinstomp

XyZspineZyX
11-30-2003, 10:26 AM
Bump


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XyZspineZyX
11-30-2003, 03:54 PM
brings up an interesting point:

did the spool up times of all these aircraft - slower or faster?

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