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Xiolablu3
08-29-2005, 04:35 PM
I am increasingly not liking flying red on Western front servers these days purely because we have early model spits fighting very late war 109's and 190's.

I will not make the teams more uneven if there are already too many blues but find the Spit is the only plane really able to compete with these late war German planes at the hieght we fly.

I suggest the most important addition to the red side is either a later war Griffon Spit or maybe the Tempest (although Im not sure this was such a great fighter? It was primarily a ground attack plane wasnt it?)

Russian and German planes have well balanced sides, La7 and later Yaks balance well with the 190D and 109K, now we need to balance up the Western front a bit and the game will be perfect!

Because of this imbalance red are almost always outnumbered on West Front servers these days purely becasue the Grmans have all these late war planes and out class the Reds. Therefore everyone wants to fly blue to get the best plane. (However the Spit 8 and 9's/P38's have a good go at keeping up with them!)

109G2/G6/190A/110 Versus Spit 8's/9's/Mustang 3's/P38s is great its just when we get the later war German planes that there is a balance problem.

Just my 2 cents

crazyivan1970
08-29-2005, 04:40 PM
I think this issue should be addressed to server admins, if you know what i mean http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

p1ngu666
08-29-2005, 04:47 PM
tempest same style of fighter as 190
not really a dogfighter, but very dangerous http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Hristo_
08-29-2005, 04:50 PM
A legitimate 1944 LW plane is still banned from most servers. All we have are 109s and 190s. Reds have, what, 5-6 types of fighters ?

Currently, late war Allied planeset has both fastest planes and best turners.

MEGILE
08-29-2005, 05:08 PM
Originally posted by Hristo_:
All we have are 109s and 190s.

Crimea river and ask Willi and Kurt to make some more http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Xiolablu3
08-29-2005, 05:11 PM
Originally posted by crazyivan1970:
I think this issue should be addressed to server admins, if you know what i mean http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

But what plane do they put into a late war Western Front server to fight the 190Ds and 109K's?

The only real option is the Spit 8/9 which is far outclassed in Speed.

Kuna15
08-29-2005, 05:13 PM
IMO P-38L_LATE Xiolablu. That plane have nice flying characteristics, and also P-63 and Mustang MK.3.

And we are few days from 4.02 P-47D_LATE 150 octane.

Hristo_
08-29-2005, 05:32 PM
Originally posted by Megile:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Hristo_:
All we have are 109s and 190s.

Crimea river and ask Willi and Kurt to make some more http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Willi already did it. But server admins don't wanna hear about it. I think they are biased http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif.

carguy_
08-29-2005, 05:43 PM
Well,the Spifire MKIX is similar to MKXIV in terms of ingame performance.They never tuned in to IX specs you know.Several threads before 4.01 in vain.


Edited X typohttp://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

LeadSpitter_
08-29-2005, 05:45 PM
they will be brought into realism levels just like most planes are this 4.01 patch.

3.04 was very overmodeled with its zero E climb ability , the problem now is the majority of ac just face the 109 series, 190d series. These ac now are much overmodeled worse then the 3.0 corsair f4u-c and ki84 and much worse then the 3.04 spitfire. Now the 109s are winning both the highspeed turn fight, as well as the low speed turnfight where they should be winning vs the heavy allied ac but not both.

The we have the dm issues some weaker and some much much to strong. If someone is so arrogantly blind to see it and not want it to change thats thier own problem but many blue only player see it and will admit it. Im sure 4.02 these planes will be toned down alot, dms fixs and stalls happening a bit sooner brought to them like the spitfire has now.

p1ngu666
08-29-2005, 05:49 PM
Spitfire Mk.IV
The Type 353- Mark IV was the Griffon engined variant, later reintroduced as the Mark XII. A Photoreconnaissance aircraft named PRIV was powered by a Merlin 45 or 46, and 229 were produced. The torsion box in the wing leading edge was modified to provide extra fuel and oil tanks. The Photographic Reconnaissance Unit was split into four squadrons in October 1942. Nos 541, 542 and 543 were fully equipped with Spitfire Mk IVs, while 544 Squadron had other types as well as some Mk IVs. Photoreconaissance Spitfires could be easily recognised by the absence of armament in the wings, a low visibility paint scheme. Later PRU blue, earlier a sort of blue-green called Camotint (the precise shade of which is still the subject of much debate), or even pink. Although it sounds bizarre, and there is no doubt that pilots felt rather vulnerable over occupied europe in an unarmed pink aircraft, but against an overcast sky a pink colour scheme provided very good camouflage. And a deeper "chin" under the nose to allow a larger oil tank. As the oil consumption of a Merlin could be measured in gallons per hour.

p1ngu666
08-29-2005, 05:54 PM
http://www.spitfireperformance.com/dp845.html

seems its abit faster down low, but up high isnt that great.

wanted a XII for awhile actully http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

and btw, the spitfire isnt the same as it was before, im sure alot of people will say the same. servers only have a few on now, replaced by la7 and 109s http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Xiolablu3
08-29-2005, 05:56 PM
Guys are you getting your Roman Numerals mixed up?

Mark IV means Mark 4?? Surely the Mark 4 didnt have a griffon engine.

I understood that the Griffon was a much more powerful engine which as a replacement for the Merlin and made the Spit into a much faster plane.

SnapdLikeAMutha
08-29-2005, 06:02 PM
Originally posted by Xiolablu3:
Guys are you getting your Roman Numerals mixed up?

Mark IV means Mark 4?? Surely the Mark 4 didnt have a griffon engine.

I understood that the Griffon was a much more powerful engine which as a replacement for the Merlin and made the Spit into a much faster plane.

http://www.rjmitchell-spitfire.co.uk/spitfire/marks.asp?sectionID=3

"The Mk IV was the first attempt to install a Rolls-Royce Griffon engine to counter low-level raids by intruders."

lbhskier37
08-29-2005, 07:30 PM
If people really wanted a balanced fun western front theater they would set it up with plane that really flew over western France. 190A8/A6, 109G6/G6Late/G6AS(if they made the AS correct at least) vs. P38J, P47D22, P51B/C, Spit IX. But because late stuff is available people will whine until they get it. There is a TA152 and D9, so blue players will complain if they don't have them in the western front. There is a P38L Late and Mustang MKIII V1 chaser so red will whine if they don't have that. When we get the late P47 and Tempest they will be in all late war servers too. Its stupid to complain about glue having all these late planes in servers because red would whine theirs in if they had them too. If you want to have fun on the red side and blue side fly 1943, early 1944 servers, best balance of fast aircraft but not super low quantity uber planes, or planes that mostly flew in 1945 when the LW was all but gone.

Xiolablu3
08-29-2005, 07:35 PM
My mistake sorry http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Watching a Spitfire prog the other day it was said that the original Sptfire was actually lost when the Griffon engine was installed, it effectively became a completely different plane to the one RJ Mitchell designed.

Of course it was still a Spit by name but almost everything from the orginal design had been replaced.

A later war Spit like the 16 or 22 would be a great addition to FB/PF to combat the 190D's and 109K's tho.

I still stand by my original comment that the Reds in the West have no 'same era' short range fighter to combat the 190D and 109K. Yes the P47 boosted is coming but its not really competeive with the later war german planes. (may get flamed for this but its true.)

Same with the P38, as soon as you loose your speed or get a 190D on your tail you are effectively dead, there is no real way without a lot of luck or Bad 190D pilot that you can fight back to a favourable position. The slow roll of the 38 makes it a poor fighter when I fly it.

How many hundreds of times have you seen a P38 bomb the airfield at 600Kph just to have it chased by a 190D and killed. I have done it myself often in a 190D after just taking off(!), with the thought of 'easy cannon fodder' in the back of my mind.

Mustang 3 is perhaps the best after the Spit and it certainly has the speed but with its poor firepower you have to get many, many passes to shoot down a German plane wheres a 109K or 190D can blow the allied planes to pieces in one pass/even a lucky shot in a lot of cases.


I am talking for the sake of balancing the game, not about Historical accuracy here. I notice more and more that the Red team is lacking pilots on late West front servers so not only do they have the poorest planes but they are also outnumbered. Remember that the Spit 9 is a 1942 design.

If the sides are equal when I join a late war West front server I will ALWAYS join the Germans. If I have to join the Allies cos the sides are uneven, I will always groan at the thought of the hard battle to come.

Maybe this is not the case for all pilots, but considering the Blue side almost always outnumbers the red on late war western front servers it would suggest it is the case for most.

Kuna15
08-29-2005, 08:28 PM
I would not dismiss P-38 as some kind of low-performing aircraft.

TBH I doubt that FW-190 will show so much advantages over P-38 once when it comes down to 1v1 fight. I see the P-38 as more manouverable fighter in game. And importantly, LATE is superior to any FW-190 in RoC (with 25% fuel it is monster climber).

I think it is wrong to think that the only thing that can oppose Luftwaffe's fighters on Western front is Spitfire/Tempest.

LEXX_Luthor
08-29-2005, 08:32 PM
Hristo::
All we have are 109s and 190s
New Italian planes may change this. I believe most will soon leave 109 and 190 on the ground, in a more Natural setting.

Interesting pic (MC200), take a close look...

~> http://www.vvs-regia-avions.com/Regia1/Macchi200Attaccoa.jpg

Xiolablu3
08-29-2005, 08:48 PM
Originally posted by Kuna15:
I would not dismiss P-38 as some kind of low-performing aircraft.

TBH I doubt that FW-190 will show so much advantages over P-38 once when it comes down to 1v1 fight. I see the P-38 as more manouverable fighter in game. And importantly, LATE is superior to any FW-190 in RoC (with 25% fuel it is monster climber).

I think it is wrong to think that the only thing that can oppose Luftwaffe's fighters on Western front is Spitfire/Tempest.

Kuna http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif,I dont think that it is the ONLY thing, I just think it would be a great addition to balance the sides up a bit. You have to agree that at the moment things are stacked in the Axis favour with the planesets we have.


If I am flying the 1944 FW190D I have yet to have a p38 outmanouvre me and shoot me down from an equal starting position. 90% of the time the only chance the p38 has to get away from me is if I run out of ammo or it has a big speed/height advantage to start with. (Of course I have been shot down from big deflection shots by p38s or taken from behind while I am engaging other planes but I dont htink this counts as it is not a 'fight')

This is from someone who has only been flying online just over a month and I fly with keyboard (no joystick yet) so I may be wrong. I have only flown the p38 twice and found its lack of roll ability very frustrating for my style of flight. Maybe I will have another go once I get my joystick.

Thanks for your comments.

p1ngu666
08-29-2005, 08:54 PM
thats a spit thats parked up luthor http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

point still stands, lookin forward to italian planes, the intruments are so nice lookin i may finaly learn to fly by them http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif

Kuna15
08-29-2005, 09:11 PM
Mate try it out. FW-190D vs. P-38L_LATE on equal terms. You can try it on 'externals enabled'/'pit off' server.

IMO what makes biggest difference now in 4.01 is the fact that late Bf-109 series are probably the best piston planes on servers, and all Bf-109 series is excellent and somewhat superior in many important areas to it's adversaries especially low/mid alt. The next most important things is, when it comes to good teamwork, the number of the guns/cannons is what counts, like someone already noticed.(FW-190 http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/10.gif http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif)

BTW you should get yourself joystick asap. The game will be completely different, and you will be able to make some real nice turns/manoeuvres, not to mention that you will improve your gunnery enormously. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

I have also flew with keyboard when my joystick 'died'. Difference is huge.

VW-IceFire
08-29-2005, 10:36 PM
Issues in late war servers? Fly in Mid-War Servers! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Seriously, the late model 109s seem to handle a bit too well sometimes. I've flown them...I used to hate them...and now they seem fairly easy to me. Not that easy should be the factor...just history. The 109F should be the best handling and the rest should slowly degrade. I'm not sure that we have that represented. Still, a fighter is only part of the equation.

Spitfire IX's are at present boosted for 1943 levels. They are danged good and can hold their own with almost anything, but they are slower than their opponents by a fair margin.

Spitfire XIV's were maybe 10-20kph faster at most altitudes than the IX. Not a huge gain. It was high altitude where the XIV got really fast. That and climb rate. Nonetheless, it'd be on the Bf109K-4's level. A +25lb boost Spitfire IX would do nicely as well. Although not as fast as the XIV would be...it was very close in performance.

****gers of the Spitfire IX model remember the bygone days of 3.04 where it could run infinite WEP and hold energy. It now has overheat around critical altitudes and its more of a handful than before. Its top speed corresponds to that of a 1943 boosted Spitfire. Its not a Spitfire XIV mislabled...that is utter bollocks.

What Allied pilots need to remind themselves about is this.

1) Get altitude as this is where your best. Flying at low alt plays to the attributes of the Luftwaffe's frontline fighters (particularly the FW190).
2) Fastest fighters? The P-38L Late (USAAF) and Mustang Mark III (RAF) are amongst the zippiest aircraft in the game. With rumors of a Tempest V and P-47D Late in the future...Red has some serious aircraft to counter with.
3) Fly in groups. The USAAF and RAF did not send pilots out in single fighter sweeps...they did it in elements, flights, squadrons, and wings.

There isn't much for Red not to like. The future and present is very bright...but many pilots tend to fly Solo and get whacked.

LEXX_Luthor
08-29-2005, 10:49 PM
Ya pingu, but that low flyer is listed at the site as MC.200. Now, it may be some stunt flying (wheels up) after the surrender (note burned out building), or MC.200 strafed the Spit airfield.

~> http://www.vvs-regia-avions.com/Regia1/Macchi200Attaccoa.jpg

Pic is at warbirdpix http://www.warbirdpix.com/armynavy.htm

WOLFMondo
08-30-2005, 12:24 AM
Originally posted by carguy_:
Well,the Spifire MKIX is similar to MKXIV in terms of ingame performance.They never tuned in to IX specs you know.Several threads before 4.01 in vain.


Edited X typohttp://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

no its not. the ix's performance is nothing like as good as the xiv.

FatBoyHK
08-30-2005, 01:20 AM
I spent some time flying as blue in WC recently, and yes, it is much easier than flying as red, it is almost an unfair walk over.

Yes, FM and DM issue is one of the reason, but it is the choice of planes most red players prefer that make the blue win so easy.

What I see are all spit and P38L. Red need more mustangs. I say this not because I am a Mustang specialist. Although it is hard to kill anybody on a Mustang, it has the speed and accel to chase and drag any blue planes. Mustang provide the abilities to engage and disengage at will, not just to itself, but to the friendly plane nearby.

There are many times I dogfighted a bandit on a 190 at about 3000-4000 ft. I can just throw my caution to the wind and turn with my prey. When I see a spit or p38 coming hot at my six, usually not before I have already done with my prey, I can just firewall my throttle and dive away at will. It is unfair, given the inital E adv they have on me.....but it is not be made possible if they fly a Mustang instead. Good to the blue, it seldom happen.

When I am on a Mustang I either fly high with a wingmate to do our fight at our best alt, or circling above a furball to wait for any blue planes that are trying to extent from the fight. When the spits or p38 on their six can't do anything with them, I will dive down, usually unexpectedly, and give him a good burst. I won't park my plane behind them, because unlike spit I need to keep my E, otherwise I will die most of the time. Now the 190 is damaged, did some evaisve move, or the pilot is in panic, it will be handled by the spits or p38 easily.

Without Mustang, it would be a hard game for the red, and an easy game for the blue. I know you can't get any easy kill on it, you can't tnb with it, you fly with caution and tactical thinking instead of a constant dose of adrenaline, but fly it is a hugh contribution to the team, and a hugh achivement if you can success on it.

Tipo_Man
08-30-2005, 02:21 AM
Originally posted by FatBoyHK:
I spent some time flying as blue in WC recently, and yes, it is much easier than flying as red, it is almost an unfair walk over.

Yes, FM and DM issue is one of the reason, but it is the choice of planes most red players prefer that make the blue win so easy.

What I see are all spit and P38L. Red need more mustangs. I say this not because I am a Mustang specialist. Although it is hard to kill anybody on a Mustang, it has the speed and accel to chase and drag any blue planes. Mustang provide the abilities to engage and disengage at will, not just to itself, but to the friendly plane nearby.

There are many times I dogfighted a bandit on a 190 at about 3000-4000 ft. I can just throw my caution to the wind and turn with my prey. When I see a spit or p38 coming hot at my six, usually not before I have already done with my prey, I can just firewall my throttle and dive away at will. It is unfair, given the inital E adv they have on me.....but it is not be made possible if they fly a Mustang instead. Good to the blue, it seldom happen.

When I am on a Mustang I either fly high with a wingmate to do our fight at our best alt, or circling above a furball to wait for any blue planes that are trying to extent from the fight. When the spits or p38 on their six can't do anything with them, I will dive down, usually unexpectedly, and give him a good burst. I won't park my plane behind them, because unlike spit I need to keep my E, otherwise I will die most of the time. Now the 190 is damaged, did some evaisve move, or the pilot is in panic, it will be handled by the spits or p38 easily.

Without Mustang, it would be a hard game for the red, and an easy game for the blue. I know you can't get any easy kill on it, you can't tnb with it, you fly with caution and tactical thinking instead of a constant dose of adrenaline, but fly it is a hugh contribution to the team, and a hugh achivement if you can success on it.

Good post FatBoy.
Its not the planes its the people who wly in these servers that make the difference
Spit is excellent for flying on easy servers, with externals and no cockpit, where everyone just circles near the ground....
but against a good pilot on a faster plane it's almost useless. Speed and high speed handling is the most important factor when flying against experts...
There many examples of this
Zero vs P-40
I-16 vs Bf-109E
SpitV vs Fw-190A4
These were historical counterparts where the latter plane had only one advantage - the speed... And was considered superior only becaues of this.

Nubarus
08-30-2005, 02:46 AM
Originally posted by carguy_:
Well,the Spifire MKIX is similar to MKXIV in terms of ingame performance.They never tuned in to IX specs you know.Several threads before 4.01 in vain.


Edited X typohttp://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Can I laugh now...

I don't know what Spit you have in your IL2 FB/PF but my Spit IX doesn't even come close to Spit XIV speed wise.
Especially in low and mid alts it's no comparisson what so ever.

I have seen these statements before and funny enough it's only "Blue" pilots who say this.....

The current Spit IX in game is even too slow at sea level for a mark IX....sure looks like a Spit XIV performance wise... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

F19_Ob
08-30-2005, 02:52 AM
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/34.gif

The good thing ofcourse is that it's possible to choose sides.
If one feel that one side has inferior planes it's possible to choose the advantage side if one wants to.
That one side is inferior to the other is soely the mapmakers resposibility and I think Ivan is right that critisism should be forwarded to the server instead.
On the other hand this topic is better than many other threads on this forum so...

anarchy52
08-30-2005, 03:23 AM
Originally posted by Tipo_Man:
Its not the planes its the people who wly in these servers that make the difference
Spit is excellent for flying on easy servers, with externals and no cockpit, where everyone just circles near the ground....
but against a good pilot on a faster plane it's almost useless. Speed and high speed handling is the most important factor when flying against experts...
There many examples of this
Zero vs P-40
I-16 vs Bf-109E
SpitV vs Fw-190A4
These were historical counterparts where the latter plane had only one advantage - the speed... And was considered superior only becaues of this.
You don't understand, the only way to satisfy the whiners is to give them absolutelly superior plane, a plane that turns like a spitfire, climbs like a 109K, tough as P-38 and has arnament of FW-190. And then if they get their butt kicked they'll ask for 'porking' of the aircraft that shot them down.

You can have this in the game as it is, just change planeset: put 109G6/109F2 vs Spits, Mustangs and the rest late allied stuff. Don't post 20 pages of anecdotes or .50 wet dreams.

WWII wasn't won by Mustang or Spit or P-47, it was won by sacrifice, dedication, industrial and ideological superiority of the allies.

The problem with Spitfires is located just behind the engine, but you'll need a mirror to see it (TM)

Badsight.
08-30-2005, 03:23 AM
Originally posted by Nubarus:
Can I laugh now...

I don't know what Spit you have in your IL2 FB/PF but my Spit IX doesn't even come close to Spit XIV speed wise.
Especially in low and mid alts it's no comparisson what so ever.

I have seen these statements before and funny enough it's only "Blue" pilots who say this.....

The current Spit IX in game is even too slow at sea level for a mark IX....sure looks like a Spit XIV performance wise... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif in one way hes actually right

the Mk14 is supposed to have near the same turn ability as the Mk9 Spitfires

MEGILE
08-30-2005, 03:47 AM
but in every other way, he is most certainly wrong. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Monty_Thrud
08-30-2005, 03:56 AM
Sadly we're not getting the Mk XIV, reading between the lines, i think Oleg has the external model but doesnt have the CP, that same fate that nearly happened to the Tempest until someone stepped in to finish the Tempest CP off...does anyone have that Mk XIV CP?...who was making the CP?...IIRC he seems to have vanished.

The Mk IX 25lber was used and allows the RAF to fly their front line fighter to the end of the war, instead of coming to an abrubt halt in early '44...its not whining, its historically correct

Hristo_
08-30-2005, 04:37 AM
IMO, Spit XIV would not handle like a Spit IX. Note "would" (not "should").

It has higher wingloading, more horsepower and bigger prop = more torque.

It would be far more powerful, but not nearly as docile in slow speed maneuvering as the earlier marks.

And yes, I'd be happy for us to get it. Partly because I don't consider it too much of an unbalancing plane.

VW-IceFire
08-30-2005, 06:34 AM
Originally posted by Monty_Thrud:
Sadly we're not getting the Mk XIV, reading between the lines, i think Oleg has the external model but doesnt have the CP, that same fate that nearly happened to the Tempest until someone stepped in to finish the Tempest CP off...does anyone have that Mk XIV CP?...who was making the CP?...IIRC he seems to have vanished.

The Mk IX 25lber was used and allows the RAF to fly their front line fighter to the end of the war, instead of coming to an abrubt halt in early '44...its not whining, its historically correct
The Spitfire XIV cockpit was a modification of the Mark VIII cockpit. Gunsight aside, the modification was rather simple. Just a few guages moved around and that was about it. I can't speak for the actual process but it was far easier than most cockpit conversions. The gunsight was the only significantly new object in the cockpit (GGS Mark IIC gyroscopic gunsight fitted as standard on all Spitfire XIV's and the majority of XVI's and many IX's).

The fellow who started the project was experienced in making cockpits for the game. One or two of his are already in the game. Unfortunately, he ran out of time but also neglected to tell us. SO...Nyme, who did the external started, and then he disappeared. Flat out disappeared. I cannot reach him. I have tried and tried and tried. So poor communication strikes again and kills a project that was otherwise fairly simple (in comparison to a whole new plane) to complete. I wish I had the necessary 3D tools and skillset to personally do these things. My role was to research and gather information only.

VW-IceFire
08-30-2005, 06:38 AM
Originally posted by Hristo_:
IMO, Spit XIV would not handle like a Spit IX. Note "would" (not "should").

It has higher wingloading, more horsepower and bigger prop = more torque.

It would be far more powerful, but not nearly as docile in slow speed maneuvering as the earlier marks.

And yes, I'd be happy for us to get it. Partly because I don't consider it too much of an unbalancing plane.
Your pretty much right.

The weight increased, so did the power, and all that means that the plane at low speeds wouldn't handle as nicely. Nobody who flew them regarded them as the best handling Spitfire. The Mark VIII gets that honor with most pilots.

But its turn rate was supposed to have essentially remained unchanged. I assume that the results and tests were accomplished at higher speeds where the weight and torque didn't throw them off.

JG53Frankyboy
08-30-2005, 06:57 AM
if Maddox would equip a LF.Mk.IXe 25+boost with the GGS Mark IIC gyroscopic gunsight , it would be fantastic , but unfortunatly highly doubtfull http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

perhaps they sould name this "late" Spit Mk.XVIe , if those run at that powersetting too in real (?), to have less confusion in the Spitfire familie in game ?! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

p1ngu666
08-30-2005, 11:31 AM
the XVI is same as a mark 9 pretty much, just a packard engine instead of one made by rolls royce

ice, XIV was 30 to 35mph faster at all heights than IX, if i remmber correctly.

and yes, it should feel somewhat heavier.

performance around a k4 or g10 and at high alt its **** scary.

geetarman
08-30-2005, 02:09 PM
I'm starting to think that the best planes in WC's from 10,000' up is the Mk.III Mustang. Sure, it's got puny guns, but it'll soar through the air and is very agile!

You won't get a lot of kills initially, but fly it in it's environment, you won't get shot down alot either. You won't get alot added to your stats, but you'll get in-game credit for the kills often. Perfect drag and bag plane.

It's two biggest adversaries - 109K and a Dora.