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freddie_1897
11-28-2011, 04:47 PM
From other threads I can see that Victorian London I a very popular choice.
I want to get some statistics.

YHHTQ
11-28-2011, 04:47 PM
No. French Revolution, Paris. Allez.

LightRey
11-28-2011, 04:50 PM
Why is there no neutral choice? D:

YHHTQ
11-28-2011, 04:52 PM
Originally posted by LightRey:
Why is there no neutral choice? D:
Because you're either with us or against us. xD

EDIT:

Unless you're religious; Are you?

freddie_1897
11-28-2011, 04:53 PM
Originally posted by LightRey:
Why is there no neutral choice? D: neutral means you don't have a choice, therefore you don't choose London, therefore you choose no.

LightRey
11-28-2011, 04:54 PM
Originally posted by freddie_1897:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by LightRey:
Why is there no neutral choice? D: neutral means you don't have a choice, therefore you don't choose London, therefore you choose no. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
But I don't think it's boring. D:

Oh and yes I am religious.

freddie_1897
11-28-2011, 04:57 PM
Let me rephrase IF YOU DON'T KNOW, DON'T VOTE!
Pull a nick clegg and obstain!

tarrero
11-28-2011, 05:01 PM
Yes I do, mostly because I wont have to experience ther cuisine, which is waful by the way haha.

Other than that, GREAT choice, been there, so much history and landmarks.

And "british empire" does not necesary means London, we could have a setting in Egypt or India by the way.

Agentbarto
11-28-2011, 05:14 PM
Yes, YEs, YES!!!!

Though I want steampunk elements. Not souch countryside but rather cities and towns all gritty and wet and dingy. I wanna feel like I could get mugged at every corner, and yet see the advent of a new, wonderous city culture as opposed to towns and rural life.

That bewing said I would like multiple cities, like in AC II. Maybe even other parts of that aren't England, but on the same island.

rob.davies2014
11-28-2011, 05:19 PM
It's no surprise that Victorian London is so popular. It ticks all the AC boxes:
1. A period of significant industrial, cultural and economic change.
2. A city with it's own unique atmosphere and character.
3. Secret Societies and the Occult.
4. Masses of disenfranchised people, an Underground.
5. Firearms available but not excessively used.
6. Beautiful architecture, tall buildings and an elaborate sewer system.
7. Already rich in history by the 19th century.
8. Fog.

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/53.gif So much awesomeness!

kriegerdesgottes
11-28-2011, 05:30 PM
At first I wasn't really for an English AC game because I preferred the French Revolution and I still do actually but after going through more of my own genealogy and seeing that like 85% of my family on both sides are specifically from London oddly enough, I wouldn't actually mind it.

Voltige2011
11-28-2011, 06:17 PM
Why no option to have it included in the next game? The way you make it sound is like saying You want ONLY LONDON. Not even any other city in Britain. If an assassin recruit can travel all over Europe, Asia, and Africa in the span of time between Bartellomeo needing French armor, and Ezio delivering French armor, I want continental travel within the span of an hour.

Aveen130
11-28-2011, 06:43 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ussCHoQttyQ

rileypoole1234
11-28-2011, 06:49 PM
YES! I wrote this in the 'survey' thread but I want to say it again.


I walk around London everyday imagining how I could climb Big Ben or Parliament or even Buckingham Palace (depending on when they set the game). It would be a fantastic game. I can imagine sitting on top of a building, looking over the rooftops and the fog-filled streets with the smoke coming out of all the chimneys, slinking down to the ground, walking with my walking stick and my top hat(with hood attached of course) into the nearest Assassin's hideout. Maybe they could bend history even and say the Sherlock Holmes was in fact a real person, only later made out to be fictional, and he could act like Da Vinci and Q from James Bond.

Radman500
11-28-2011, 06:53 PM
who are some influental thinkers, scientist etc. during the victorian era in england?

Voltige2011
11-28-2011, 08:34 PM
Originally posted by Aveen130:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ussCHoQttyQ
The apporval and comments of that video were so epic.

lever24
11-28-2011, 11:33 PM
I'm going to have to go with yes on this. Not for the next game, but one down the line? absolutely. "Science" was kinda sorta starting to take hold, but for the most part superstition ruled the day, half of the so called science was superstition.

You also have the fog, the buildings would be fairly easy to climb etc. I wouldn't mind a game set in several cities actually.

E-Zekiel
11-29-2011, 12:16 AM
London would be ok...kinda would prefer a non-English speaking country, because I like the flavor they add in with that. So, in those parameters, I'd prefer French, as I have some interest in learning colloquial French but am lazy.

But if there is another ancestor, it seems likely to me they will likely be in Asia.

eagleforlife1
11-29-2011, 12:26 AM
I wouldn't be against it but it wouldn't be my first choice. I'm neutral and don't find it boring.

itsamea-mario
11-29-2011, 03:52 AM
Perhaps not Victorian, maybe a little earlier.

LightRey
11-29-2011, 03:57 AM
Originally posted by Aveen130:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ussCHoQttyQ
I love how that video has exactly as many likes as it has dislikes. xD

jmjm940
03-10-2012, 01:16 AM
Yes!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!;):)

rileypoole1234
03-10-2012, 01:38 AM
I really do. I think it would be a great location. London or Paris would be great in my opinion.

Tetsou88
03-10-2012, 01:54 AM
While I do want a game set in Victorian London, I would rather have a game set in the late Edo Jidai.

The Boshin War would make an excellent back drop for the game.

One one side you have the pro-foreign powers Shogunate followers who are trying to bring industrialization, trains, and guns to Japan. On the other side you have the pro-isolation Emperor followers who would like to go back to the old ways of Bushido and the Imperial court. To complicate matters, you have American's, Portuguese, French, and British powers all trying to vye for power, and Christian priests trying to spread Christianity(perfect way for Templar to arrive)

Those in favor of the the Shogun were mostly using rifles and the Gatling gun to fight(although you still had some units trained in sword, spear and bow, especially as guards/police for the cities). Those in favor of the Emperor were using spears, swords and bows. Also grenades were quite popular(Japan has had grenades since the Sengoku Jidai which took place from 1467 to 1573).

Technology wise, you have steamships and trains.

In regards to free-running, Japanese cities of the time were built pretty high, featured walls, and nice big castles.

Plus Ninja's are pretty darn cool. Ezio already sort of plays like a Ninja, the only changes that would really need to be made would be changing his throwing knives to kunai or throwing stars.

While the Boshin War only lasted a year, you could still cover the time before and after the war.

ForgiveMePlz
03-10-2012, 02:03 AM
i would prefer a spin-off of Connor story with him at French Revolution... Ac3 will end by 1782 and the french revolutions ignites at 1789, we can get to france before the revolution start :D

Jayden26
03-10-2012, 02:37 AM
It's no surprise that Victorian London is so popular. It ticks all the AC boxes:
1. A period of significant industrial, cultural and economic change.
2. A city with it's own unique atmosphere and character.
3. Secret Societies and the Occult.
4. Masses of disenfranchised people, an Underground.
5. Firearms available but not excessively used.
6. Beautiful architecture, tall buildings and an elaborate sewer system.
7. Already rich in history by the 19th century.
8. Fog.

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/53.gif So much awesomeness!

So does that mean Australia can have its own AC set there?
1. The Federation Period (1890 - 1910) was a period of great social, industrial, and cultural change.
2.Either Sydney or Melbourne both have their unique feel, and different styles.
3.Some Australian secret societies include; Ordo Templi Orientis
Australian Freemasons
The Active Service Brigade
As well as some Chinese secret societies
4. During the Federation Period, several states such as WA attempted to remain seperate from the Federation movement which led to considerable conflict. As well as in Queensland, where civil war was virtually being fought by armed unions against government forces.
5. Firearms (such as Bayonets) were most definately owned by a large majority of the Australian population at the time.
6. The cities of Australia during the Federation Period definately had some beautiful buildings that could rival those in London.
http://www.dictionaryofsydney.org/item/18515
http://www.flickr.com/photos/flying_cloud/600793148/
http://www.dictionaryofsydney.org/item/21072
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Victoria_Parliament_House_Melbourne.jpg
http://www.onlymelbourne.com.au/melbourne_details.php?id=774
http://changyang1230.blogspot.com.au/2006/05/royal-exhibition-building.html
By the time the Federation Period began, Sydney already had a vast underground of tunnels and fortifications.
7. Before the Federation Period, cities such as Sydney and Melbourne already had a history dating back over 120+ years, as well as having been occupied by local Aboriginal people for thousands of years prior to the first fleet.
8.It also fogs regularly.

D.I.D.
03-10-2012, 01:38 PM
There are lots of interesting things to put in. Thread needs more references!

Scotland Yard (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scotland_Yard)

England's first true Metropolitan police service (as opposed to agency-based crime-fighting). Offices quickly expanded to multiple addresses. During the construction of one of those buildings, workers discovered the dismembered torso of a woman, an incident which became known as the Whitehall Mystery (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whitehall_Mystery). This case was never solved, and so a police department came to be built on the site of an unsolved murder.

Adam Worth (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adam_Worth)

German-born US national. Believed to be one of the real-life influences for the character Professor Moriarty in the Sherlock Holmes stories (Worth was nicknamed "the Napolean of crime", the same phrase Sherlock Holmes used to describe Moriarty in Sir Arthur Conan Doyle's fiction.

Mastermind of a huge criminal network. Reputedly, he did not allow anyone who worked for him to use violence, which could make him interesting in AC: what would it be like to have an adversary you could not topple with violence without breaking your own rules, or indeed an adversary to whom you defect? Worth moved among all levels of society including the highest, and himself lived in a prestigious Mayfair address.

Back in the US, Worth eventually did a deal with a detective from the Pinkerton agency to reveal his life's story and return valuable pieces still missing, and in return Worth's son was given a career with the Pinkertons as a detective. Worth died soon after.

The Great Exhibition (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_great_exhibition)

Crystal Palace, 1851. The first World's Fair of culture and industry, attended by a huge number of royals and celebrities of the day from all over the world.

Wyld's Great Globe (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wyld's_Globe)

Just look at it. You know you want to see that.

The London Underground (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/London_underground)

Opened 1863


Models for the assassin -

Spring-Heeled Jack (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spring-heeled_Jack)

London's most exciting urban legend: a humanoid figure seen leaping from huge heights without suffering any pain, and running across rooftops, reportedly having steel claws. This might remind you of someone. As the myth snowballed, the stories became more dramatic with the creature seeming more demonic: blazing red eyes and so on.

AJ Raffles (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A._J._Raffles)

A popular fictional anti-hero from the late Victorian period, E. W. Hornung's Raffles was a character with a double-life: a respected high society gentleman and cricketer who, secretly, was also a master thief. In the stories, Raffles has the uncanny ability to scale buildings and open locked windows in a few seconds, and often makes his escapes across London's rooftops. He'd be a great model on which to base an AC protagonist.

Footage of London in 1903, two years after Queen Victoria's death:

http://youtu.be/v-5Ts_i164c

freddie_1897
03-10-2012, 04:46 PM
So does that mean Australia can have its own AC set there?
1. The Federation Period (1890 - 1910) was a period of great social, industrial, and cultural change.
2.Either Sydney or Melbourne both have their unique feel, and different styles.
3.Some Australian secret societies include; Ordo Templi Orientis
Australian Freemasons
The Active Service Brigade
As well as some Chinese secret societies
4. During the Federation Period, several states such as WA attempted to remain seperate from the Federation movement which led to considerable conflict. As well as in Queensland, where civil war
was virtually being fought by armed unions against government forces.
5. Firearms (such as Bayonets) were most definately owned by a large majority of the Australian population at the time.
6. The cities of Australia during the Federation Period definately had some beautiful buildings that could rival those in London.

http://www.dictionaryofsydney.org/item/18515
http://www.flickr.com/photos/flying_cloud/600793148/
http://www.dictionaryofsydney.org/item/21072
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Victoria_Parliament_House_Melbourne.jpg
http://www.onlymelbourne.com.au/melbourne_details.php?id=774
http://changyang1230.blogspot.com.au/2006/05/royal-exhibition-building.html
By the time the Federation Period began, Sydney already had a vast underground of tunnels and fortifications.
7. Before the Federation Period, cities such as Sydney and Melbourne already had a history dating back over 120+ years, as well as having been occupied by local Aboriginal people for thousands of years prior to the first fleet.
8.It also fogs regularly.
Look, Sidney would be cool, but it kind of feels like pretty much everything you said is like London but not as good;
1. Victorian London is during the British empire a vey significant point in time
2.London and other cities had very different fells than the rest of Europe
3.London had a secret society known as the hellfire, they also had some iluminati groups as well
4.Again, British empire, as well as the napoleonic wars, could show the battle of Waterloo where admiral Nelson triumphed over Napoleon
5.Firearms isn't such a good thing, and blades were still used by police during Victorian times
6.London had some incredible buildings with huge historical significance such as st pauls cathedral and Westminster abbey
7. London also had a very vast underground system
8. 120 years? Well, the Romans invaded England over 1800 years before the Victorian era, and there were tribes of celts living there a lot longer
9. I don't need to say anything about London fog do I?
In London there were also some very famous people as the thread above mentions, there was the king/queen, Charles ****ens and so on

JCearlyyears
03-10-2012, 07:23 PM
If done right, I think it could be fine, maybe a prequel to connor, but I think maybe it should be in feudal japan, I really would like feudal japan more

LieutenantJojo
03-10-2012, 07:30 PM
I wouldn't mind seeing this setting for an AC game. This, along with France, was one of my choices for AC3. Mostly because I have visited London and Paris before and I'd like to see Ubisoft's take on them.

Spain would be nice to see as well, imo.

eagleforlife1
03-10-2012, 07:40 PM
No, I would much prefer the French Revolution and I quite like the idea of Federation-era Sydney.

HoneysuckleRose
03-10-2012, 07:58 PM
I'd love to see Victorian London but I think I'd prefer the French Revolution more (It's quite interesting to see how many people want the French Revolution actually!) I'm sure Ubisoft will do both eventually though! :)

Kit572
03-10-2012, 08:04 PM
I would like a spin-off game in Victorian London. It seems like an interesting choice.

Hell, we have Leonardo davinci as an ally in brotherhood and George Washington as an ally in AC3, why not have Sherlock Holmes be an ally?

:D

D.I.D.
03-10-2012, 08:04 PM
Connected with the Spring Heeled Jack legend - Lord Henry Beresford (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_Beresford,_3rd_Marquess_of_Waterford):


That Lord Waterford had some role has been accepted by several modern authors, who suggest that a humiliating experience with a woman and a police officer could have given him the idea of creating the character as a way of "getting even" with police and women in general.[2] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_Beresford,_3rd_Marquess_of_Waterford#cite_no te-Haining-1) They speculate that he could have designed (with the help of friends who were experts in applied mechanics) some sort of apparatus for special spring-heeled boots

D.I.D.
03-10-2012, 08:10 PM
Joseph Bazalgette (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Bazalgette), engineer of the London sewer system.

Part of the interior of Crossness pumping station
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/0b/The_Octagon%2C_Crossness_Pumping_Station.jpg/800px-The_Octagon%2C_Crossness_Pumping_Station.jpg

Abbey Mills pumping station
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/a9/Abbey_Mills_Pumping_Station3.jpg

They're a bit elaborate.

HoneysuckleRose
03-10-2012, 08:10 PM
I would like a spin-off game in Victorian London. It seems like an interesting choice.

Hell, we have Leonardo davinci as an ally in brotherhood and George Washington as an ally in AC3, why not have Sherlock Holmes be an ally?

:D

I suppose they could maybe mention Sherlock Holmes in some way but as he is a fictional character I doubt they'd include him as an actual character! :)

Maybe they might find a way to include the man who is said to have been the inspiration for Holmes, Joseph Bell.

Kit572
03-10-2012, 10:05 PM
I suppose they could maybe mention Sherlock Holmes in some way but as he is a fictional character I doubt they'd include him as an actual character! :)

Maybe they might find a way to include the man who is said to have been the inspiration for Holmes, Joseph Bell.

Yeah i was kind of being sarcastic when i was mentioning Sherlock Holmes :) Would be epic though :D

LieutenantJojo
03-10-2012, 11:10 PM
What about Jack The Ripper as a character? Not much, just like those Templar Agents in ACB?

ShadowRage41
03-11-2012, 01:33 AM
It would be fine with me... So far I have enjoyed every location in the AC series. But Victorian London would be interesting. I am fine with whatever location they choose.

HoneysuckleRose
03-11-2012, 09:13 AM
Yeah i was kind of being sarcastic when i was mentioning Sherlock Holmes :) Would be epic though :D

Haha! I think I knew that really! ;) It just got me thinking that's all! :D

Wouldn't be surprised if they had a side mission which involved 221b Baker Street in some way though!

I think St Pancras station would be a great place to include, looks like it would be fun to climb!

http://www.e-architect.co.uk/images/jpgs/london/st_pancras_station_nw280609_1.jpg

TorQue1988
03-11-2012, 04:00 PM
No, I would much prefer the French Revolution and I quite like the idea of Federation-era Sydney.
The next game should be about the French Revolution, and the one after should be about Victorian England, just to keep a nice progression:)

eagleforlife1
03-11-2012, 04:03 PM
The next game should be about the French Revolution, and the one after should be about Victorian England, just to keep a nice progression:)

The thing is, being English, and studying Victorian England at school and at university I know so much about it and I think I would just find it so terribly boring. That and I can't think of a single person assassinated in Victorian London.

In fact, according to wiki not one person was assassinated between 1836 and 1901 (Victoria's reign): http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_assassinated_people#United_Kingdom_of_Grea t_Britain_and_Northern_Ireland

D.I.D.
03-11-2012, 04:39 PM
The thing is, being English, and studying Victorian England at school and at university I know so much about it and I think I would just find it so terribly boring. That and I can't think of a single person assassinated in Victorian London.

In fact, according to wiki not one person was assassinated between 1836 and 1901 (Victoria's reign): http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_assassinated_people#United_Kingdom_of_Grea t_Britain_and_Northern_Ireland

This doesn't matter to the game. We've seen lots of people assassinated in the stories who didn't die that way in real life.

eagleforlife1
03-11-2012, 06:09 PM
This doesn't matter to the game. We've seen lots of people assassinated in the stories who didn't die that way in real life.

Have we? Who?

LightRey
03-11-2012, 06:12 PM
Have we? Who?
There were a few I think, but I can't think of anyone specifically.

ForgiveMePlz
03-11-2012, 06:24 PM
Have we? Who?

Rodrigo Borgia.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pope_Alexander_VI

Saturday, the 12th of August, 1503, the Pope fell ill in the morning. After the hour of vespers, between six and seven o'clock a fever appeared and remained permanently. On the 15th of August thirteen ounces of blood were drawn from him and the tertian ague supervened. On Thursday, the 17th of August, at nine o'clock in the forenoon he took medicine. On Friday, the 18th, between nine and ten o'clock he confessed to the Bishop Gamboa of Carignola, who then read mass to him. After his communion he gave the Eucharist to the Pope who was sitting in bed. Then he ended the mass at which were present five cardinals, Serra, Juan and Francesco Borgia, Casanova and Loris. The Pope told them that he felt very bad. At the hour of vespers after Gamboa had given him extreme unction, he died.

And 7 out of 10 assasination targets of Ac1, most of them did not die at 1191 -.-''

D.I.D.
03-11-2012, 07:37 PM
Have we? Who?

Lots. The cir****tances of many of the real historical characters' deaths were tweaked to fit the AC narrative, in quite smart ways. I don't have time to go through all them, but here are a few:

The Pazzi conspirators didn't die in quite the ways shown. Francesco de Pazzi was dragged naked from his bed and hanged. The death we see for him in AC2 was actually that of Francesco Salviati, and he in turn was given a new death in the game. Jacopo de Pazzi was thrown from a window by an angry mob, then dragged through the streets and dumped in the Arno River, but we saw him killed by Borgia and the remaining conspirators instead. Bernardo Baroncelli was hanged, but we assassinated him by hidden blade in the market in the game.

Savonarola was captured and tortured for weeks on the rack before his public execution. He was burned to death, but it took several hours as he was burned slowly, hung from chains over the fire. There was no mercy killing.

LightRey
03-11-2012, 07:55 PM
Rodrigo Borgia.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pope_Alexander_VI


And 7 out of 10 assasination targets of Ac1, most of them did not die at 1191 -.-''

What are you talking about? Rodrigo Borgia died of what was almost certainly arsenic poisoning (cantarella to be exact), which is exactly how he died.

eagleforlife1
03-11-2012, 09:00 PM
Lots. The cir****tances of many of the real historical characters' deaths were tweaked to fit the AC narrative, in quite smart ways. I don't have time to go through all them, but here are a few:

The Pazzi conspirators didn't die in quite the ways shown. Francesco de Pazzi was dragged naked from his bed and hanged. The death we see for him in AC2 was actually that of Francesco Salviati, and he in turn was given a new death in the game. Jacopo de Pazzi was thrown from a window by an angry mob, then dragged through the streets and dumped in the Arno River, but we saw him killed by Borgia and the remaining conspirators instead. Bernardo Baroncelli was hanged, but we assassinated him by hidden blade in the market in the game.

Savonarola was captured and tortured for weeks on the rack before his public execution. He was burned to death, but it took several hours as he was burned slowly, hung from chains over the fire. There was no mercy killing.

Okay, I assumed that history didn't know how they died because I couldn't find anything on how they died.

JCearlyyears
03-11-2012, 09:06 PM
What are you talking about? Rodrigo Borgia died of what was almost certainly arsenic poisoning (cantarella to be exact), which is exactly how he died.

I agree.That's what was said in ACB. Lucrezia asked for the cantarella, but was told the pope had taken it all. That's how she knew he planned to poison Cesare. though I'm not sure if this is how it happened in reality, it's what happened in ACB. Sounds like that's how he died with an AC twist.

eagleforlife1
03-11-2012, 09:31 PM
I agree.That's what was said in ACB. Lucrezia asked for the cantarella, but was told the pope had taken it all. That's how she knew he planned to poison Cesare. though I'm not sure if this is how it happened in reality, it's what happened in ACB. Sounds like that's how he died with an AC twist.

Nobody quite knows how he died. There are rumours of both cantarella and malaria. AC went with cantarella, so I'm not even sure it can be considered a twist.

LightRey
03-11-2012, 10:33 PM
Nobody quite knows how he died. There are rumours of both cantarella and malaria. AC went with cantarella, so I'm not even sure it can be considered a twist.
The symptoms far more resembled cantarella though and it was the favored poison of the Borgia family. Not to mention that Cesare suspiciously fell ill at around the same time.

Black_Widow9
03-12-2012, 12:41 AM
Now you know where ACIII will be set, please continue your discussion here-
Beyond ACIII (http://forums.ubi.com/showthread.php/662609)
Thanks ;)