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Bogustogus
01-01-2010, 05:55 PM
People were fighting in the bitter cold of winter when the Luftwaffe staged a massive attack in support of the Ardennes offensive.
Today, that event is 65 years ago http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

Seems hard to believe when sitting in front of the fireplace, but the fighting was fierce and so were the circumstances.

I'm very glad to have witnessed this only virtually http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

http://www.mission4today.com/i...file=details&id=1643 (http://www.mission4today.com/index.php?name=Downloads&file=details&id=1643)

Happy new year!!

M_Gunz
01-01-2010, 06:02 PM
Bodenplatte?

AndyJWest
01-01-2010, 08:23 PM
Originally posted by M_Gunz:
Bodenplatte?
That would be it. Ill conceived, and a waste of lives. Wishful thinking as strategy, misassessment of present capabilities tactically, and even a 'total sucess' would have achieved little.

Choctaw111
01-01-2010, 08:23 PM
Sitting in front of the fireplace is a tremendous blessing after you have been in the blood and in the mud.

AndyJWest
01-01-2010, 08:31 PM
Originally posted by Choctaw111:
Sitting in front of the fireplace is a tremendous blessing after you have been in the blood and in the mud.

I would never suggest otherwise.

M_Gunz
01-01-2010, 09:00 PM
Originally posted by Choctaw111:
Sitting in front of the fireplace is a tremendous blessing after you have been in the blood and in the mud.

Not being shot at should do the trick, I have been told! Only had loaded guns pointed at me so far, I've been lucky. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif

The thing is that -everything- I did while I was young seems better than now, even the stupid dangerous stunts I pulled.

Bogustogus
01-02-2010, 04:53 AM
Originally posted by M_Gunz:
Bodenplatte?

Spot on Gunzhttp://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Obviously a waste of lives, Bodenplatte. And it was clear even before the Luftwaffe took off that lives would be lost...
Still the pilots got into their aircraft and flew the mission. That took guts as well!

Then, at Asch, some 20 Mustangs and Thunderbolts mixed it with about 40 Messers and FW's... that took guts too! It earned them the distinguished unit citation, the luftwaffe pilots got nothing. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

Uufflakke
01-02-2010, 05:27 AM
And the most bizar thing is that 50% of the German planes that got shot down during Operation Bodenplatte was friendly fire as it was a secret mission. So Flak crew was not informed about this operation. On the way to and from the targets about 80(!) planes got shot down by their own Flak. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif

Mr_Zooly
01-02-2010, 05:32 AM
A 190 was brought down by a partridge, it seems even nature wasn't on their side.

Choctaw111
01-02-2010, 07:40 AM
Originally posted by M_Gunz:


Not being shot at should do the trick, I have been told! Only had loaded guns pointed at me so far, I've been lucky. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif

The thing is that -everything- I did while I was young seems better than now, even the stupid dangerous stunts I pulled.

Getting shot at is fine, just don't get hit, or perhaps it's the fear of being hit. Regardless, you don't have time to think about it at the time.
I only caught a ricochet that cut my thumb. It's barely worth even mentioning but it could have been a lot worse. I was lucky.
Yeah, sitting in front of my fireplace has never felt so good http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

AndyJWest
01-02-2010, 07:55 AM
Getting shot at is fine, just don't get hit...
Only you could get away with a line like that, Choctaw.

I'd forgotten about the flak business during Bodenplatte, though I seem to remember reading that two aircraft collided head on while attacking the same airfield from opposite directions.

M_Gunz
01-02-2010, 08:25 AM
Originally posted by Mr_Zooly:
A 190 was brought down by a partridge, it seems even nature wasn't on their side.

It was a French partridge, be sure! The African ones were Vichy!

M_Gunz
01-02-2010, 08:34 AM
Originally posted by Choctaw111:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by M_Gunz:


Not being shot at should do the trick, I have been told! Only had loaded guns pointed at me so far, I've been lucky. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif

The thing is that -everything- I did while I was young seems better than now, even the stupid dangerous stunts I pulled.

Getting shot at is fine, just don't get hit, or perhaps it's the fear of being hit. Regardless, you don't have time to think about it at the time. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Getting close to death has always punched my adrenaline button. Really close and time slows down. It's a rush I
could probably have lived without, hot sex is just about as good anyway. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif
My sergeant and chief warrant both said when you're being shot at there's no wall too high to jump over, no hole
too small to fit through. They were referring to being caught out in the open though.

Choctaw111
01-02-2010, 05:53 PM
Originally posted by M_Gunz:

My sergeant and chief warrant both said when you're being shot at there's no wall too high to jump over, no hole
too small to fit through. They were referring to being caught out in the open though.

I know exactly what he is saying.
One time I got shot at I jumped behind a leaky, disgusting dumpster into a stream that was really an open sewer system.
That was something to remember http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif

Bogustogus
01-07-2010, 08:12 AM
Well, this means you can probably imagine what happened to Col. Meyer's adrenalin level as he was awaiting takeoff clearance when suddenly the airfield's AAA opened up and 40 Messers and Focke's appeared.

His first kill was a fact before his gear had been fully retracted... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

If u check the screenshots at the M4T download page, that moment is there as well http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/winky.gif

There were 8 P-47s and 12 P-51's in the fight, with the P-51's still on the ground and all of them topped up with fuel...
Afterwards, the pilots were amazed at the lack of situational awareness on the part of the Luftwaffe pilots.
By then, a Luftwaffe fighter pilot was not trained for months before going into battle; they were trained for a couple of weeks only.

Read Julius Meimberg's war biography, or that of GŁnther Rall, or that of any other survivor; all rookies were sent straight to the meat grinding operational units.

The attack was supposed to destroy the tactical support capability of the 2nd TAF. It destroyed some 220 allied planes and a comparative number on the Luftwaffe side.
The biggest difference was that the allied aircraft had been replaced a week after, whereas the Luftwaffe never recovered from what turned out to be a useless attack.

All but 4 of the attackers at Asch survived. Some got shot down by their own FLAK whose crews were not used to seeing German planes in the sky - and also, they had not been notified that an attack would happen at all.

I am very glad not to have taken part...

jamesblonde1979
01-07-2010, 01:44 PM
A calculated but desperate tactical risk which the made use of the resources availabe more like.

It could have worked but it wouldn't have changed the outcome.