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VW-IceFire
10-30-2006, 09:07 PM
Its a big controversy right now. There is no official response to this from Microsoft yet. They may be waiting for the firestorm to calm down before they respond to it...they may adjust their response based on the fervor in the enthusiast community.

Some comments by a MS employee seemed to indicate a slightly more reasonable 10 changes to configuration (hard drive +1 would have to be changed to be considered a major change).

Honestly its all BS and I should be able to transfer the OS from whatever computer I want to any other computer regardless of what some corporate dictator wants to tell me. What bugs me most is that the legitimate customer is hurt by all of these moves far more than any bloody pirate.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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Beuf_Ninja
10-30-2006, 10:08 PM
Good ol' Bill, always thinkin' with his wallet. The enthusiasts are the only ones who keep the hardware market moving forward at the pace it does, its certainly not the average users who buy a dell to read their email and print holiday snaps once a year. It'll get changed, no way the hardware manufacturers are gonna put up the reduction in turnover.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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NAFP_supah
10-30-2006, 10:16 PM
I have had to reactivate my WindowsXP Pro license many times after software changes or reinstalls. This has never been a problem, the process is pretty trouble free and I've never had to pay http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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LEXX_Luthor
10-30-2006, 10:18 PM
IceFire::
They may be waiting for the firestorm to calm down before they respond to it...they may adjust their response based on the fervor in the enthusiast community....

Some comments by a MS employee seemed to indicate a slightly more reasonable 10 changes to configuration


What MS *may* be doing is trying to see how extreme they can go, how far they can push. LOMAC simmers had a similar problem with the StarForce game copy protection. The LOMAC customer could install the game only a few times, and if you needed to re-install again, you had to buy another game copy, although if I recall reading the simhq threads correctly, the "firestorm" this caused made them back off and offer "free" install keys, at least to the simmers that cried loud enough. Was this what happened? If so, I guess what StarForce may have been doing was trying to see how far they could go before customers started banding together in their complaints.

Interesting quotes from Microsoft CEO Steve Ballmer about Microsoft customers -- the original interview is linked to...read on...

Biggest competitor to Vista is Windows XP ~> http://www.theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=35344


Steve Ballmer, in the original San Jose Mercury News::
The No. 1 competitor in a sense right out of the chute is Windows XP Service Pack 2. There are a lot of happy users. Getting those people to upgrade their software or buy a new PC -- the fact that people are generally happy is a certainly a barrier to as rapid adoption as we might like to see.

~ http://www.mercurynews.com/mld/mercurynews/news/local/15847583.htm

Fascinating. Happy customers are a "competition." This shows that Microsoft knows that Vista offers nothing for people to upgrade for. The people most wanting Vista to replace Windows XP are the hardware manufacturers who get to double the amount of memory sold, and more than double the amount of video processing/memory power sold to run the fancy Vista interface.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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boxmike
10-30-2006, 11:58 PM
I was counting that last year I should have paid for three licenses at least within the 'same' machine if Vist*d. I have had to key my XP again due 'hardware changes'. Got p*d off though no new licence needed.

It is a rotten way to collect money. Do they suppose everyone buys one whole comp at a time or are they deliberately milking upgrade people?
I still hope there's going to be a change.

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Capt.LoneRanger
10-31-2006, 01:02 AM
Actually this is all propaganda and rumours.

In reality, what was announced for Vista with the machine-key was nothing more than what was done since Win98: If you buy an OEM-Version of Windows, you'll only be able to run this version on the computer you bought this OEM-Version with. Once you installed it the first time, a code is implemented, which is dependend on your hardware. If more than 30% of the system has been changed (e.g. new mainboard), the system can no longer be installed or no longer runs, without getting a new license, which is a lot cheaper than the OEM-Version. Same has been for all OEM-Versions for years, now.

If you buy a full version of Vista, you can install it whereever you want, without the above limitations. If you activate it with several new machines, you'll have to call and get a new code for free (just as for XP). So, nothing really changed, except the panic of customers - well, so really nothing changed after all.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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Chivas
10-31-2006, 10:52 AM
What I can see is Microsoft making it more difficult to renew the XP licence trying to nudge us in the direction of buying a new OS. Oh maybe something like Vista. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/shady.gif<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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NonWonderDog
10-31-2006, 08:13 PM
I think Capt.LoneRanger has it right, here. OEM versions of XP have a very similar proviso in the license. If you buy a Dell with XP pre-installed, you won't be able to move that install of XP to a different computer. You can still upgrade without trouble as long as you don't replace the motherboard. Honestly, if you buy a Dell your upgrade opportunities will probably be limited by the horrible proprietary motherboard, not Vista.

If you just buy Vista in a box, you shouldn't have to put up with too much more nonsense than with XP. Probably.

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10-31-2006, 08:59 PM
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boxmike
10-31-2006, 11:58 PM
http://news.com.com/Microsoft+limits+Vista+transfers/2100-1016_3-6126379.html
Too many articles about this stuff, I'm getting confused. Must be my bad inglish. Moo! back to panicking flock http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

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