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chaikanut
01-02-2005, 02:18 PM
Russian airplanes are fast and agile but one thing annoys me: They have very little ammo and their weapons are not that powerful either in most of them. How do you people use them in the game?

Whatsmypassword
01-02-2005, 03:13 PM
Try Yak-3P, La-7 (with 3 cannons)
or Yak-9T (or Il-2 at last http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

http://www.afwing.com/art/wwii/Yak-9T.jpg

LStarosta
01-02-2005, 03:21 PM
LMFAO

Surely you must not be talking about the UBS or the SHVAK. They're only the most powerful and effective weapons smaller than 30mm.

Whatsmypassword
01-02-2005, 03:39 PM
Btw re "small ammo". Soviet pilots on La-5 &7 from the Guards regiments rarely took more than 40 shells per a cannon instead of 170 to make their LAs lighter.

clint-ruin
01-02-2005, 04:07 PM
Ammo load tends to be quite short [firing time wise] on a lot of the VVS planes. The upside is that you get some very, very accurate and/or very fast firing guns to play with. There are no noteworthy issues with different shells having different ballistic arcs until you get to the very large guns - something that can harm accurate gunnery with the MGFF and MG151/20 on the LW planes except at convergence or at extremely close range.

A very common mistake is to open fire at too long a range with the smaller guns and running yourself out of ammo before you can do critical damage. Get close - 150m or closer is best. If you can't actually aim at the engine or pilot, consider seperating out a bit more until you can. The one advantage most VVS planes have in terms of weaponry in the game is that the guns are accurate, consistent, and importantly most fighter planes guns are nose mounted which allows you to dish out some very concentrated fire on a specific part of an enemy aircraft. Get as close as you like. There's really only vertical arcs to worry about when you choose your convergence setting and you can walk the rounds into the targets engine as you fire.

Most planes in the game - even the 109F4 and Mig3 and others - can be made to take down about 12-16 planes per offline mission if your aim is spot on every time, depending on the type target.

BuzzU
01-02-2005, 04:29 PM
The LA series of planes has two 20mm cannons firing for 18 seconds straight.

Compare that to other planes, and tell it's low on ammo.

WUAF_Badsight
01-02-2005, 04:56 PM
my personall best with the Hurricane MkIIc is 7 kills in one sortie online (all fighters)

the Hurricane MkIIc has 9 seconds of continous firing time

clint-ruin
01-03-2005, 01:58 AM
La-5/7s aren't the only rides, and with those you get 2x [or 3x] 20mm rather than, say, 6 or 8 12.7mm, 2x 13m + 4x 20mm, etc. Even with those, it does not stretch very far if you waste your shots. The difference between what you can achieve by picking and choosing when to shoot, and shooting at low probability of hit/kill, is very large. Once you teach your brain how to calculate range and lead, you can pull off some amazing shots - but that often takes people a while.

I think people forget just how different gunnery was in the original Il2 to every other sim that had been done, and how bad most people were when they first started. I know it took me a good few hours practice to even score more than one kill per mission. It actually mattered where specifically you hit the target, bullets bounced off armor plating, how far away you were from the target influenced the damage you did, the shells take detailed 3d curved paths and disperse differently depending on the type of gun, etc. It takes a while to compensate for all of that mentally, and usually you won't even notice you're learning until it suddenly clicks for you.

The classic doctrine of "get close, and when you think you're too close, get closer, then fire" works very well in the game. For a while most people new to the game are having enough problems just staying airbourne, let alone keeping up with a jinking AI plane, let alone actually aiming the sight over the cockpit or engine. But give it time and they learn :>

The best way to learn how any of the guns work is to set up some QMB missions with just you and some friendly aircraft - friendly bombers work well - and come in at the targets head on, from the side, above, below, etc, and watch which shots are connecting and what you did to make that happen. The MK108 is a very different gun from the MK103 for instance, even though they both use near identical ammo.

It's also worth leaving on arcade mode [edit confi.ini in your FB directory, find "arcade=0", change to "arcade=1"] and just play the game normally offline. You'll gradually learn how the different shells interact with different surfaces. Just how few hits people really score can be illuminating as well - 20% of fire hitting the target is quite a high ratio. Most people struggle to get better than 15% on the target, even with hundreds of hours of practise.

chaikanut
01-03-2005, 08:40 AM
Thanks all. I guess ill have to lay off the 6 50ies http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

73GIAP_Milan
01-03-2005, 09:00 AM
Heheheh,...

VVS planes are easy to fly, fun to fly and can hit really hard.

La's are good on power, speed, ammo etc.
Yak's have good firepower (with limited ammo so don't spray as they all told you already)
The P39 in VVS Service packs a punch too..
And the list continues...

Back with old Il2 Sturmovik, there was some russian guy flying almost every night. Mihailos was his name (if i recall it correctly). He did'nt spoke a word but was a total Sniper with Yak9T. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif
He also used Trim on a Slider for sure as he did amazing turns too.. but Never Ever tell me that VVS is for experts only http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Atomic_Marten
01-03-2005, 11:40 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by WUAF_Badsight:
my personall best with the Hurricane MkIIc is 7 kills in one sortie online (all fighters)

the Hurricane MkIIc has 9 seconds of continous firing time <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


Hey WUAF_Badsight where is your .GIF pic with hook that you have posted on PF forum in Bf109G6AS cannon thread(excellent one, BTW I have good laugh over ithttp://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif)? We need immediate re-post.. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

KGr.HH-Sunburst
01-03-2005, 11:49 AM
LOL VVS is for Experten only http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif
thats like saying the 109 won the war http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/59.gif

on a serious note though i do find the shvaks and ubs on yak/la/laGG pretty hard to aim put they do pack a punch for sure

The190Flyer
01-03-2005, 01:05 PM
LOL Lsarasota and Sunburst. Experten is German for expert not Russian. The Russian planes are uber. As for the ammo problem, go offline, setup some bombers on QMB and try some gunnery practice to build up gunnery skills a little more, I don't think that the guns are weak, just not enough of em, I like to have at least 3 guns of any type http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

S! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

a.k.a. BIFF P-51 PIOT in ubi.com lobbies

LStarosta
01-03-2005, 01:12 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by The190Flyer:
LOL Lsarasota and Sunburst. Experten is German for expert not Russian. The Russian planes are uber. As for the ammo problem, go offline, setup some bombers on QMB and try some gunnery practice to build up gunnery skills a little more, I don't think that the guns are weak, just not enough of em, I like to have at least 3 guns of any type http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

S! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

a.k.a. BIFF P-51 PIOT in ubi.com lobbies <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yeah, I kind of figured that one out on my own seeing as Experten doesn't sound very Russian to me. The word is interchangeable with Aces under most circumstances.

And please don't deface my name, it hurts my feelings.

chaikanut
01-03-2005, 03:37 PM
I meant by the title that they are not noob friendly. The ''average'' gunsights most have don't help either. By the way, any links for russian plane tracks out there?

Cajun76
01-03-2005, 03:49 PM
chaikanut, some here base their whole image?.... er, manhood? on the idea that German planes are porked, Russian are uber, it must take more skill to fly German, German a/c were better than every other WWII a/c, Russian planes are easy to fly (even expertly) and on and on. If you try to tell them that to master the nuances of most any plane are pretty much the same, they'll have to find something else to use to inflate thier ego.

There are plenty of German a/c fliers out there who don't have this complex, but you can spot the ones who do pretty quick. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Atomic_Marten
01-03-2005, 04:14 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by clint-ruin:
The best way to learn how any of the guns work is to set up some QMB missions with just you and some friendly aircraft - friendly bombers work well - and come in at the targets head on, from the side, above, below, etc, and watch which shots are connecting and what you did to make that happen. The MK108 is a very different gun from the MK103 for instance, even though they both use near identical ammo.

It's also worth leaving on arcade mode [edit confi.ini in your FB directory, find "arcade=0", change to "arcade=1"] and just play the game normally offline. You'll gradually learn how the different shells interact with different surfaces. Just how few hits people really score can be illuminating as well - 20% of fire hitting the target is quite a high ratio. Most people struggle to get better than 15% on the target, even with hundreds of hours of practise. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I agree with you.
______________________
IMO the hardest thing to learn, close related to deflection shot issue, is the combination of deflection shot + calculating target speed.

We can execute a various kind of succesfull deflection hits if we have a slow moving target way easier than if it is fast moving target. Key is to shoot at the estimated place where enemy plane is expected to be. And if he is slow, that shot will automatically be easier, since we do not have to put much lead into our shot.(for example, situation where you are followed in sharp climb by enemy fighter, he is on your six; but since you have more energy you are still climbing -- he runs out of energy and must go in dive. In that moment you turn your nose down and bingo.. you catch him on below 200kph. directly below you -> he suddenly becomes cannon fodder.. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif)

And of all VVS planes that are flyable, I like for early war MiG-3, for later action only P-39Q1/10 (my favourite with Bf-109G-10/14 BTW) and LA series.

Atomic_Marten
01-03-2005, 04:25 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by chaikanut:
I meant by the title that they are not noob friendly. The ''average'' gunsights most have don't help either. By the way, any links for russian plane tracks out there? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

What do you have in mind? I was having some good track links, but since it was in earlier versions of the game not sure that they will work tho.

Try also this link ---> http://www.saitek.ru/tracks/icas/Single%20Match/d_RUS/ , that is Russian site with some tracks, but I'm really unsure if these are with VVS planes.
BTW you can see the guys on these tracks almost regularly on Hyperlobby.. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

NorrisMcWhirter
01-03-2005, 04:40 PM
Hi,

Nice troll. The VVS require far less than an ace to fly effectively and the ammo level is not that important as you have so much quality time on target that only an idiot would waste it.

What's more, you don't even need to be an ace in the evasion department as vvs planes soak up so much fire, it doesn't really matter too much.

Oleg has spouted off about delta wood being uber...but that's just an excuse...as is the fact that the LaGG still have their 'simple' Il-2 DMs as a complex DM would show up the inadequacy.

Apparently, Russian pilots used to know the LaGG as "Lakirovanny Garantirovanny Grob", or the “Varnished Guaranteed Coffin”.

Compare that to the LaGG3 when fired upon with 151/20s

Cheers,
Norris

WUAF_Badsight
01-03-2005, 04:50 PM
lol

whose trolling now

clint-ruin
01-03-2005, 04:52 PM
It is a well known fact that the best LW aces would secretly sabotage VVS planes. Parachuting in behind enemy lines, the top german aces would busy themselves slicing onions and slamming their genitals in the sliding canopy frame to bring themselves to tears. These tears would then soften the structure of deltawood planes and rust ferrous components allowing them easy victories in the air the next day.

Oleg has made many attempts to soften the VVS planes due to similar teary-eyed posts from LW plane fans - but as yet the online LW crowd seems to be addicted to auto genital mutilation and don't seem to be able to stop crying just yet.

73GIAP_Milan
01-03-2005, 05:48 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by clint-ruin:
It is a well known fact that the best LW aces would secretly sabotage VVS planes. Parachuting in behind enemy lines, the top german aces would busy themselves slicing onions and slamming their genitals in the sliding canopy frame to bring themselves to tears. These tears would then soften the structure of deltawood planes and rust ferrous components allowing them easy victories in the air the next day.

Oleg has made many attempts to soften the VVS planes due to similar teary-eyed posts from LW plane fans - but as yet the online LW crowd seems to be addicted to auto genital mutilation and don't seem to be able to stop crying just yet. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif I want to nominate this answer to: Best forumpost Januari 2005 http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

han freak solo
01-03-2005, 08:15 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by 73GIAP_Milan:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by clint-ruin:
It is a well known fact that the best LW aces would secretly sabotage VVS planes. Parachuting in behind enemy lines, the top german aces would busy themselves slicing onions and slamming their genitals in the sliding canopy frame to bring themselves to tears. These tears would then soften the structure of deltawood planes and rust ferrous components allowing them easy victories in the air the next day.

Oleg has made many attempts to soften the VVS planes due to similar teary-eyed posts from LW plane fans - but as yet the online LW crowd seems to be addicted to auto genital mutilation and don't seem to be able to stop crying just yet. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif I want to nominate this answer to: Best forumpost Januari 2005 http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I 2nd the nomination!!

You wanna know what makes me cry? Fly a I-16 campaign and get "upgraded" to a Mig! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/cry.gif

Atomic_Marten
01-03-2005, 08:22 PM
http://www.rtcw.co.uk/forums/images/smilies/violin.gif

Daiichidoku
01-04-2005, 12:41 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by clint-ruin:
It is a well known fact that the best LW aces would secretly sabotage VVS planes. Parachuting in behind enemy lines, the top german aces would busy themselves slicing onions and slamming their genitals in the sliding canopy frame to bring themselves to tears. These tears would then soften the structure of deltawood planes and rust ferrous components allowing them easy victories in the air the next day. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Perhaps the Germans shared this tactical doctrine with thier allies, the Japanese, who tried a variation of the theme with USN Hellcats, hence the stains...the historical depth of FB/PF never fails to astound!

A little known fact is that the Russians retaliated by painting a bar across the lower part of the 190's windsheild, after manufacture and testing, but before deployment, not enough to attract notice of tampering, but enough to mess up deflection shots

chaikanut
01-04-2005, 05:08 AM
Actually I can calculate deflection just fine, my problem is holding the stick steady and rudder input is tricky with a twist stick (see the trim indicator request in olegs ready room). The gunsight in VVS airplanes (except MIG) has slightly darkened glass and the crosshair is too bright and bulky and you cant see where the other guy is banking/preparing to turn. No trolling here, these are just my observations. And no need to get too excited since none of you has ever flown these aircraft.

Atomic_Marten
01-04-2005, 08:26 AM
I agree with you. To some point.

First, when talkin about joystick input, try to search for some BBBHyperion's and Zen--'s joystick inputs (I use BBBHyperion's input, works excellent for me http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif). I have found these inputs in Oleg's Ready Room, don't remember the thread tho, but it was some thread on first or second page, so if you want to search for it, you should not have some serious problems finding it.

Second, you must say what VVS aircraft you have in mind, when you talking about them.
Also take not that some of the other aircraft in the game also have problems with cocpit view (that nasty yellowish dirty glass, where's the mechanic, why he didn't.. Yeah he's drunk. Again http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif).

Atomic_Marten
01-04-2005, 08:43 AM
I have found it, but it turns up that you started that thread. Sorry for inconvenince. http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums?a=tpc&s=400102&f=63110913&m=8611055452&r=4531027452#4531027452

jeroen_R90S
01-04-2005, 09:35 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by NorrisMcWhirter:

Apparently, Russian pilots used to know the LaGG as "Lakirovanny Garantirovanny Grob", or the “Varnished Guaranteed Coffin”.

Compare that to the LaGG3 when fired upon with 151/20s

Cheers,
Norris <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Sorry, but I don't understand the link here.

According to some pilots, early series LaGGs had only two good points in general: it's ruggedness and firepower.

I can't find the book now, but according to one pilot it could be shot to pieces and still return it's pilot home. The other good quality, heavy firepower, for the four and five gun versions of early series. Some even had a VYa-23 nose cannon.

What would link the only good points of the early LaGG to that nickname?

I'm sure you don't give a bad name and rep to a plane based on it's good points, so there must have been something else wrong with the early LaGGs?

Jeroen

chaikanut
01-04-2005, 10:08 AM
Also take not that some of the other aircraft in the game also have problems with cocpit view (that nasty yellowish dirty glass, where's the mechanic, why he didn't.. Yeah he's drunk. Again http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif).


LOL http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif too much vodka mixed with hydraulic fluid. I am using a slightly less sensitive version of Olegs settings (starting from 1). Curvature allows me excellent control for the first 4-5 bars but from then it gets progressively worse since the gap between consecutive bars widens. Therefore I cannot respond to sudden changes in direction when I am close and deflection shooting is very wobbly when angle is great or if he is going fast. Incorrect trim only makes this worse: the gunsight either bounces or is not responsive and forces me to overcompensate (and again it bounces). As for the trim thread, there is a newer thread started by someone else asking for approximately the same thing (I think it is on page two now). I have tried other settings but my current are the best so far. It also seems to me that aircraft stability has improved somewhat with the new patch. This is more of an annoyance than a crippling problem since if I position correctly and fly down on them while they fly relatively straight, I can get the kill. It is more pronounced with russian aircraft though probably due to their flight models (not flawed) and their low ammo count ( since I cant aim something specific I hose the fuselage and hope for the best). I also hate that japanese airplane with two mgs, 12mm and 7mm each http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif.

Atomic_Marten
01-04-2005, 12:23 PM
"Osprey Soviet Aces Of WW2"

Page 51.

Individuals could expect to recive just 20hrs of operational regiment. As if this was not bad enough, the LaGG-3 was often incorrectly maintained by frontline units, whose groundcrew struggled to come to terms with the temperamental Klimov engine. Indeed, morale was so low within units equipped with the fighter that it was whispered amongst air and groundcrew alike the type designation LaGG stood for 'Lakirovany Garantirovanny Grob', which translates into 'Varnished Guaranteed Coffin!'.

HSU (Hero of the Soviet Union medal recipient) N Skoromokhov briefly remembered his early encounters with the Bf109 whilst flying LaGG-2 with 31.IAP;
'Whilst the LaGG-3 had a similar armament to the Bf109, it was slower, heavier and much less manouverable.'.. etc. etc.

However one must take note on the Skoromokhov experience with the type. Some of the high-scoring Soviet aces indeed flew this type with great successes. One of this succesfull ace pilots was double HSU V I Popkov, who eventually achieved astonishing 41 victories while flying the 'Grob'. He was not alone in success with LaGG-3; there were also pilots like Capt G A Grigor'yev (15conf.kills), HSU Capt S I Lvov (6CK), HSU Capt V P Mironov (21CK)..

There is much more description of this aircraft in this book, but from all this one can not gain much relevant data to compare..

Cajun76
01-04-2005, 03:02 PM
Some planes just get a bad rep, no matter what. But it's clear there were some problems with the LaGGs, and the early ones don't seem to fit the style Russian pilots were trained for at the time.

I think people read too much into the "Varnished Guaranteed Coffin" bit. Poor maintenence and various other things might give the plane a bad rap, but if your looking for a suitible nickname, your not going to call an a/c made of wood "Ole Rusty", are you? The thing was a type of treated, pressed wood and for various reasons, pilots generally didn't like it. Others had sucsess, and the the type evolved into the La-5/7 series. Plenty of other Russian birds were wood also, as well as some German ones that were partially wood and still had fabric control surfaces throughout the war. Dosen't mean wood was a poor choice; wooden planes are better than none at all. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

NorrisMcWhirter
01-04-2005, 04:07 PM
Hi,

I'm sure an ace can make the best of any plane they fly..for example, Sandy Sanders didn't manage to get himself killed in France flying Gladiators when a lot of other people were...

The quote said it all; I didn't remove it from it's original context. For most, the plane was a deathtrap that you were very likely to be killed in, unlike the model we see in this game.

But, in the interest of fairness (and given an ideal opportunity to be sarcastic), how about this modified version?

With the exception of ~4% of pilots who were aces, [ahem] units equipped with the fighter,,,, suggested it's designation LaGG as meaning 'Lakirovany Garantirovanny Grob' - which translates into 'Varnished Guaranteed Coffin!'.

http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Cheers,
norris

Atomic_Marten
01-04-2005, 04:19 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Cajun76:
Some planes just get a bad rep, no matter what. But it's clear there were some problems with the LaGGs, and the early ones don't seem to fit the style Russian pilots were trained for at the time.

I think people read too much into the "Varnished Guaranteed Coffin" bit. Poor maintenence and various other things might give the plane a bad rap, but if your looking for a suitible nickname, your not going to call an a/c made of wood "Ole Rusty", are you? The thing was a type of treated, pressed wood and for various reasons, pilots generally didn't like it. Others had sucsess, and the the type evolved into the La-5/7 series. Plenty of other Russian birds were wood also, as well as some German ones that were partially wood and still had fabric control surfaces throughout the war. Dosen't mean wood was a poor choice; wooden planes are better than none at all. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I agree with you..
It is simply to see why. Russian pilots were in general poor trained compared to their German 'friends' in the Bf109s. These words are not blah-blah since it is fact that when war with Germany broke out, LaGG-3 was there but in small amounts. Also like it may be seen in my post above, majority of Soviet pilots weren't trained sufficiently; formwhat I have read - leads me to conclude that they were lucky if they pass their basic flight training (they were just like us - click on the 'pilot career' within main game screen, and b4 you know it, you are in cockpit of I16, with bunch of He111 and Bf109s 2000m above you http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif).

And there is tradition of flying the 'light' TnB planes like legendary 'Rata' I16, I15, I153.. (some more experienced Soviet pilots were gaining their experience and fame in Spain and in Japan 'incidents'..). So, their oppinion on fairly new type may influence their young comrades in arms. And there is a good chance (I'm guessing here) that this opinion was not so high initially; they 'feel' their ride as heavy and without much agility-- that opinion is fairly undersandable if we consider Rata's agility.(I have read in one book that some veteran Japanese pilots that have served on Ki10 and Ki27 had similar experiences with some of the Japanese WW2 wartime fighters.. and that sounded wierd, indeed, considering the fact that they were easily outturning American fighters of the time..).


I must correct myself:
HSU (Hero of the Soviet Union medal recipient) N Skoromokhov briefly remembered his early encounters with the Bf109 whilst flying LaGG-2 with 31.IAP;

It is LaGG-3 in question, not 'LaGG-2' like I wrote there.

Atomic_Marten
01-04-2005, 04:35 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by chaikanut:
Actually I can calculate deflection just fine, my problem is holding the stick steady and rudder input is tricky with a twist stick (see the trim indicator request in olegs ready room). <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Actually my problem with gunnery appears, fairly is to be said, once when I got onto enemy's 6. That is with nose mounted armement equipped aircraft like LA7.

Once when enemy a/c get into any kind of turn, he will expose larger part of his aircraft and render him therefore as bigger target to hit. With LA7, from dead 6, I always aim at the tail section (engine, fuselage&tail), because I find that to be easier to hit.

I have once spare half of my ammo just trying to hit Bf109s left wing. Bf109 was AI (QMB).. Once when I start to track tail section, things went smoothly. http://www.rtcw.co.uk/forums/images/smilies/boom.gif

chaikanut
01-04-2005, 04:46 PM
Agreed, 6' straight is armored like tiger tank. I need at least 30mm or 2 sec of 50cal to do anything. AP rounds seem to be more effective when they hit the right spots and maybe that is why many people complain about the mg151. By the way what stick settings do you use online?

Atomic_Marten
01-04-2005, 05:01 PM
I used to use the 'stock' settings. And I was doing fairly good with them online. (that all depends on the type of a/c you are in, but people that are flying online in general tend to use 1/2 of fuel, or even 25%).

That is even more visible on pure DF servers where your objective is to find and destroy enemy a/c within minutes (sometimes seconds -- they are already over your airfield http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif). Everybody is on 25% or 50% fuel.

I have found out that BBBHyperions settings are working fine for me (I got a little more stability when executing snap shots, high deflection shots.. IMO it is a little easier to get your nose in the desired firing position, especially for me, most of the times I fly Cobras or Gustavs).

BTW I just love, when in sharp climb (vertical if possible), when my speed drop to about less than 200kph, I can apply full rudder+full ailerons into desired direction (left or right).
IMO my aircraft obbeys me more than it used b4. Turn looks very nice and smooth, and the only thing that I must watch for is to put my nose into correct firing position. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Also I'm using Genius F-31 joystick (it isn't so good but it is sturdy and quite reliable joystick). I'm planing to switch to Saitek.

Take note that these settings may not work great for you, that all depends on the type of stick. But in general it should be fine.

Atomic_Marten
01-04-2005, 05:10 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by chaikanut:
Agreed, 6' straight is armored like tiger tank. I need at least 30mm or 2 sec of 50cal to do anything. AP rounds seem to be more effective when they hit the right spots and maybe that is why many people complain about the mg151. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I have hit Spitfire IX 5 times confirmed with Mk108 from dead 6, once when flying Bf109K4. He did not crash immediatelly, he lost some of his ctrls, tho.

I'm just sorry that I haven't saved the track.. that would be fun to watch. I hit him hard with Mk108s, also he received numerous 13mm hits, AA was firing on him also (not sure if they hit him), and somehow he managed not to disintegrate, but to bite the dust in one piece.http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif Also I have rammed G.50 once when in LaGG-3, and I walk out of that completely undamaged, but G.50 lost his right wing.(yes LaGG-3 have wooden wings.. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif )

Packet loss is to blame according to people that knows about these stuff. Offline gunnery is then, far more accurate..