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m.manson2004
01-24-2005, 10:15 AM
Lets see now,in 20 days time i reckon a third of a year has passed since the sim was released
and we were promised "the" patch 2 weecks from the release date.Now the way things are going here i highly doubt wether we will see this patch in 20 days time,i might be wrong though.
So can some bright corporate accountant explain to us how all this works since we dont really understand how all this is calculated taking into account the following:

Holidays
Xmas
New Year
Weeck ends
Illness
Power shortage
Unavailable spare parts
Leave
General breakdown of discipline in the office
Pregnancy
Central heating breakdown
Rebellion
Change of regime
Confusion
English lessons
Courses during working hours on capitalism and trade marks
Trade mark issues
Torps wont explode hitch

amongst other factors and explain to us how it boils down to 2 weecks in practice.Finally if you dont know what they set out to give you how do you know what you are getting and wether they were working hard at the patch during all this time and not going to the movies after 3 pm?!!
manson

p1ngu666
01-24-2005, 10:19 AM
naw goto movies before 3, cheaper then isnt it?

TAGERT.
01-24-2005, 10:21 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by p1ngu666:
naw goto movies before 3, cheaper then isnt it? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>ROTFL

nearmiss
01-24-2005, 10:58 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by m.manson2004:
Lets see now,in 20 days time i reckon a third of a year has passed since the sim was released
and we were promised "the" patch 2 weecks from the release date.Now the way things are going here i highly doubt wether we will see this patch in 20 days time,i might be wrong though.
So can some bright corporate accountant explain to us how all this works since we dont really understand how all this is calculated taking into account the following:

Holidays
Xmas
New Year
Weeck ends
Illness
Power shortage
Unavailable spare parts
Leave
General breakdown of discipline in the office
Pregnancy
Central heating breakdown
Rebellion
Change of regime
Confusion
English lessons
Courses during working hours on capitalism and trade marks
Trade mark issues
Torps wont explode hitch

amongst other factors and explain to us how it boils down to 2 weecks in practice.Finally if you dont know what they set out to give you how do you know what you are getting and wether they were working hard at the patch during all this time and not going to the movies after 3 pm?!!
manson <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

You are really new here, aren't you?

The buzzword on these boards is http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/354.gif

Pail-Male
01-24-2005, 11:10 AM
You are so right! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif

Chuck_Older
01-24-2005, 11:15 AM
Wow

See, I've been enjoying PF for less than 100 dyas, since it didn't get released here when it should have been

I'm beginning to wonder what kind of player is only concened with the 'patch'. Sure, some planes aren't in the sim. We've been over and over this- Oleg didn't want te text on the box the way it was

If you recall, Ubi limited 1C:Maddox to a set amount of space- 2 discs

PF has an unfortunate history- the developer has been limited by the publisher

This list:

"Holidays
Xmas
New Year
Weeck ends
Illness
Power shortage
Unavailable spare parts
Leave
General breakdown of discipline in the office
Pregnancy
Central heating breakdown
Rebellion
Change of regime
Confusion
English lessons
Courses during working hours on capitalism and trade marks
Trade mark issues
Torps wont explode hitch"

is utter bullocks
. if you have any experience with 1C:Maddox games or with Oleg, then you know he and his company is devoted to it's fan base. The man used to spend much time talking to us- don't let my sign-up date fool you, I've been here a long long time. Oleg used to tell us when he'd be playing the sim. Now he avoids us like the plague, and it' because of half-thought out accustations and confronmtational attitudes. Should the game be 'completed'? YES! Punish Oleg when he fails, not before

If you have a complaint, present it in a fashion in which you don't insult or exaggerate. Then, you may get sympathy. From me, on this whine? None at all. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif

KarayaEine
01-24-2005, 11:29 AM
100 days??? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif

you mean I've been having this much fun for that much time?

Oh dear...... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

Johann

NORAD_Zooly10
01-24-2005, 11:38 AM
patience is a virtue and after as many posts as you have made, you should at least have some idea about how things work around here.
do what we all do, WAIT PATIENTLY (or at least quietly) http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif
~S~
Zooly

TgD Thunderbolt56
01-24-2005, 12:06 PM
Hey "NORAD"! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/59.gif

Sorry Dude, but Calling you NORAD instead of Zooly (see, I remember!) is the most interesting thing I saw in this post...aside from the understanding reply from Chuck to an oh-so-common patch-deficient consumer. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif

TB

p1ngu666
01-24-2005, 12:06 PM
scary thing is, ive probably visited the forum for every day, and played pf for 90ish of the days http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif

RiesenSchnauzer
01-24-2005, 12:09 PM
People just need to be patient about the add-on because you will get more than you paid for.

On the other hand, I am tired of hearing the 2 disc space excuse. They could have left off every repeat plane that is already in FB and ACE expansion if they needed the space. The planes weren't ready plain and simple.

VW-IceFire
01-24-2005, 12:15 PM
Uhhh they never said "two weeks"...the community did...and its a joke. We always say things will be out in "two weeks" but I guess no end of http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif will do!

More sarcasm to the next person to says "two weeks" http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

R_Mutt
01-24-2005, 12:16 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by m.manson2004:
Lets see now,in 20 days time i reckon a third of a year has passed since the sim was released
and we were promised "the" patch 2 weecks from the release date. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Patch and add-on are two entirely different things. We've been patched a few times, what we are waiting on is extra, extra stuff that we get for free.

In other words, quit whining.

m.manson2004
01-24-2005, 12:22 PM
Alright then i'll just keep the counter ticking and remind you all a little further on.Tick tick tick tick............

manson

m.manson2004
01-24-2005, 12:27 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by R_Mutt:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by m.manson2004:
Lets see now,in 20 days time i reckon a third of a year has passed since the sim was released
and we were promised "the" patch 2 weecks from the release date. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Patch and add-on are two entirely different things. We've been patched a few times, what we are waiting on is extra, extra stuff that we get for free.

In other words, quit whining. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

BREACH OF CONTRACT
Totally wrong my dear pilot you paid for whats written on the box,clear now?you are not getting anything at all free,actually they owe you interest and i'm not kidding so anything they give us is not free,they owe you, nothing is free,remember that in business.

manson

DarthBane_
01-24-2005, 12:28 PM
I am sick of that 'patience and understanding' stuff.
People should stick to their word more, and talk about
sickness, illness and lawyers less.
Many of people here are not kids, meaning that you have a job,
mine is average 12+ hours a day, such is life.
So it was enough of irelevant fixes, (how many, 3 such patches?!!?),
time has come for new planes (NOT f2a kind!) as promised.
As grownups try to stick to your word, and avoid giving excuses,
it is becoming boring. Who is geting sick this time, or maybe global
warming delays the new AC patch?

TgD Thunderbolt56
01-24-2005, 12:40 PM
Come to think of it, someone should put up an "F2a-only" server and use it as punishment for various infractions...yeah, that's the ticket. Yeah, and force them to fly around in zoom view so the only thing they can see is that butt-ugly feckin gunsight!!!!...pant...pant

TB

TAGERT.
01-24-2005, 12:54 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by m.manson2004:
BREACH OF CONTRACT Totally wrong my dear pilot you paid for whats written on the box, <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Not true.. In that you did not sign a contract with ubi, madox, or anyone.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by m.manson2004:
clear now? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>It is clear to me that you do not understand the difference between breach of contract and false adverstising. The fact that the box lists the Mitsubishi G4M1 Betty as flyable is such a case of false adverstising. But, I would love to see you try that case in court.. In that ubi/madox could simply claim a missprint of the box to side step that.. or mention the fact that you can fly the bett now by making use of an undocumented feature.. ie you can *fly* the AI planes if you want to.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by m.manson2004:
you are not getting anything at all free, <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Not true, we have got plenty from Oleg that was free.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by m.manson2004:
actually they owe you interest and i'm not kidding <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>God I hope your kidding.. or your just a kid.. In that an adult would look pretty silly saying that.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by m.manson2004:
so anything they give us is not free, they owe you, nothing is free, remember that in business <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Not true.. Other than the Betty they owe us nothing.

reddevil49
01-24-2005, 01:24 PM
Oh my here we go again. I did'nt buy PF to complain about patches and planes. If the truth be told I bought the game to get the blinding muzzle flashes fixed so I could see where I was shooting. I tried it and thought the campains sucked so went back to the easter front and am enjoying the game this way. As for the plane add on I could care less either way. If they come fine if they don't no big deal. This is just the way i feel and if I have offened anyone with this comment apologies in advance.

NORAD_Zooly10
01-24-2005, 02:54 PM
you do have quite a long memory TgD http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/59.gif
oh well, i suppose you may call me Zool if you wish but i have learned from my faux pas.
~S~
Zooly

Supr
01-24-2005, 03:09 PM
really? movies are cheaper before 3? man, i need to get out more during the day. Oh wait, what about work? ****, no cheaper movies for me.

TAGERT.
01-24-2005, 03:47 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Supr:
really? movies are cheaper before 3? man, i need to get out more during the day. Oh wait, what about work? ****, no cheaper movies for me. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Man, you poor bastage! You have to work 7 days a week? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Spider_439th
01-24-2005, 04:16 PM
What! theres is always people who believe in free add-on??? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif Developmnents have to be paid, they will do us a very beautiful paid add-on to put on the shelf http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

p1ngu666
01-24-2005, 04:28 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Supr:
really? movies are cheaper before 3? man, i need to get out more during the day. Oh wait, what about work? ****, no cheaper movies for me. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

3.3o i think here
anyways im jobless http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif, but job centre want to force me into work http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/cry.gif. if u wonder why i like my free time, and i dont wanna be part of something thats destroying the world needlessly and is also pretty rediculous, nor am i doing anything to harm the economy by takeing dole http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif

MRsteve
01-24-2005, 04:29 PM
2 weeks, be sure ;-)
Steve

fordfan25
01-24-2005, 04:41 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by p1ngu666:
scary thing is, ive probably visited the forum for every day, and played pf for 90ish of the days http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

i know the feeling. i spen more time here than playing the game lol.

DuxCorvan
01-24-2005, 04:56 PM
Spanish Cinemas don't even open before 17:00 PM.

Aztek_Eagle
01-24-2005, 06:00 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by TAGERT.:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by p1ngu666:
naw goto movies before 3, cheaper then isnt it? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>ROTFL <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

there is a place here at indianapolis where u can go to see a movie for 50 cents... i think thats the reason why alot of inmigrants are coming here, my self included

Obi_Kwiet
01-24-2005, 06:53 PM
*Cough*B-29*Cough*flyable*Cough*

F4U_Flyer
01-24-2005, 09:52 PM
100 days? to long to take it back since it didn't meet your expectations. There's always ebay! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Badsight.
01-24-2005, 10:01 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by m.manson2004:
Lets see now,in 20 days time i reckon a third of a year has passed since the sim was released
and we were promised "the" patch 2 weecks from the release date. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
not just one patch , you already have been patched multiple times since release

Badsight.
01-24-2005, 10:03 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by m.manson2004:
BREACH OF CONTRACT
Totally wrong my dear pilot you paid for whats written on the box,clear now? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
so UBI wrote the manuel & box

do you really want a UBI made A/C in FB ?

or do you want a Maddox Games made A/C ?

simple choice huh ?

m.manson2004
01-25-2005, 12:13 AM
Believe it or not there is no movie under 12 usd here where i live in Switzerland,so since i only go with my son,thats 24 usd.So KILL BILL one and two cost us 48 usd to see.SO WHAT!!!!
well thats about half what a programmer from MADDOX will get monthly when he retires on state pension.

manson

Old_Canuck
01-25-2005, 12:21 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by m.manson2004:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by R_Mutt:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by m.manson2004:
Lets see now,in 20 days time i reckon a third of a year has passed since the sim was released
and we were promised "the" patch 2 weecks from the release date. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Patch and add-on are two entirely different things. We've been patched a few times, what we are waiting on is extra, extra stuff that we get for free.

In other words, quit whining. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

_BREACH OF CONTRACT_
Totally wrong my dear pilot you paid for whats written on the box,clear now?you are not getting anything at all _free_,actually they owe you interest and i'm not kidding so anything they give us is not free,they owe you, nothing is free,remember that in business.

manson <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I've seen this talk before during the troll wars. Same schtik, different name.

Da_Godfatha
01-25-2005, 12:04 PM
To the "No" breach of contract crowd. PLEASE, PLEASE read the EULA (End Users Licsene?? Agreement). I do believe that this can be viewed as a unwritten contract. But again, I am no lawyer (thank the heavens!).

I DO believe that this whole PF affair may have hurt 1C and Maddox games more than it helped. I think most people will wait awhile before they buy BoB. Then there will not be the great storm of pre-orders like they had with PF.

Again, this is just my honest opinion.

murewa
01-25-2005, 12:09 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by reddevil49:
... I did'nt buy PF to complain about patches and planes... <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/351.gif quite so! getting a bit bored of people demanding the betty as if they were the victims of a false advertising corporate conspiracy...*ahem* grow up

did you really but the game just because it had the betty on the box?
would you have put it back on the shelf without those 4 small characters on the back?
when have 1C games really let us down before?

no
no
never

bigchump
01-25-2005, 02:15 PM
In AEP, we were supposed to have the B-25. We eventually got it. Did we get it quicker because of all the complaining? Probably. But this stuff about "removing" cockpits from the CDs because of "not enough room" implies that the cockpits were finished. If they're finished then why can't we have them?

If they had only said "Ubi rushed us on the project and we will finish it as soon as possible", would there be all this whining? Probably not. I've been here a long time too, but as much as I love this game, I don't like being lied to either.

S!
bigchump

Da_Godfatha
01-25-2005, 02:19 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by murewa:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by reddevil49:
... I did'nt buy PF to complain about patches and planes... <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/351.gif quite so! getting a bit bored of people demanding the betty as if they were the victims of a false advertising corporate conspiracy...*ahem* grow up

did you really but the game just because it had the betty on the box?
would you have put it back on the shelf without those 4 small characters on the back?
when have 1C games really let us down before?

no
no
never <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

And I am sick and tired of people telling me not to worry about the Betty Bomber. It was on the box, I paid for it, and it was NOT delievered. Not everyone is a Wannbe Fighter Jock, some of us like to move mud.

Lets face it, what happened here was and is wrong. This will not help 1C and Maddox games at all. A whole lot of new players will not buy ANY future game of theirs, no matter how good. Not everyone in this world knows that in "two weeks" we MAY get the long overdue promised patch and or addon from them. Ubi might just one day say, no money, no honey when the sales does not meet expectations.

THAT, we should remember. Or this may be the last flight sim for awhile.

DRB_Hookech0
01-25-2005, 03:17 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Obi_Kwiet:
*Cough*B-29*Cough*flyable*Cough* <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

The chances of us getting a flyable B-29 in this game are less than zero. But if you want to fly a really good B-29, get FS9 (aka MSFS2004) and oick up the Wings of Power heavy bomber set. The virtual cockpits on the B-17 and B-29 are well worth the money. The FM is right on for the numbers (I have the flight manuals for the B-24,17,29) so you can fly it by the book. They also have released a really kick butt P-51D/H that is a ton of fun to fly. The sound will make you almost weep.

Now before anyone gets their panties in a bunch, notice how I did not bring up CFS(x) because the IL2 series is well beyond what MS did with CFS. But if your into just flying wonderful aircraft in a (sort of) real world environment, then FS9 will fill the void. I leaned several things in FS9 with reguards to max. endurence and power management that translate into this game that I probably would have never thought of if I hadnt tried to fly from say Hawaii to Fiji simulating the B-29 fery route into the SWPAC.

FS9 is a flight sim and IL2 is a Combat sim, both do what they do very well in their genre. But I highly recommend the Shockwave Productions add-ons for FS9, they are getting it right IMHO.

Oh, and to be honest about the much anticipated patch/add-on whatever.....All I want are the maps to take down Rabual form the G'canal direction, everything else I get is gravy.

Badsight.
01-25-2005, 10:07 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by DRB_Hookech0:
The chances of us getting a flyable B-29 in this game are less than zero. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

oh ya ?

http://img174.exs.cx/img174/3646/b29pit13ck.jpg
for FB/PF

Feathered_IV
01-26-2005, 12:49 AM
Something very wrong must have happened to the Betty interior. 1C remains tight lipped over its status and no WIP shots have ever been seen at any time before or since PF's release. The F2A was coded into a patch with no apparent difficulty but the G4M remains supposedly complete but inexplicably absent. Is the 3rd party modeller holding it ransom for more cash? Did Luthier elope with it? Did it ever really exist?


I'd love to know what is really going on.
If Oleg one day writes an autobiography, it would make fascinating reading.

ljazz
01-26-2005, 06:17 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by TAGERT.:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by m.manson2004:
_BREACH OF CONTRACT_ Totally wrong my dear pilot you paid for whats written on the box, <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Not true.. In that you did not sign a contract with ubi, madox, or anyone.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by m.manson2004:
clear now? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>It is clear to me that you do not understand the difference between breach of contract and false adverstising. The fact that the box lists the Mitsubishi G4M1 Betty as flyable is such a case of false adverstising. But, I would love to see you try that case in court.. In that ubi/madox could simply claim a missprint of the box to side step that.. or mention the fact that you can fly the bett now by making use of an undocumented feature.. ie you can *fly* the AI planes if you want to.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by m.manson2004:
you are not getting anything at all free, <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Not true, we have got plenty from Oleg that was free.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by m.manson2004:
actually they owe you interest and i'm not kidding <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>God I hope your kidding.. or your just a kid.. In that an adult would look pretty silly saying that.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by m.manson2004:
so anything they give us is not free, they owe you, nothing is free, remember that in business <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Not true.. Other than the Betty they owe us nothing. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

~S~ All!!!

I really try to stay out of these things.... but this really perked me up. Money changing hands does constitute the binding of a contract. False advertising is done before the money changes hands. When what is advertised is not delivered, then there is a "breech of contract." A formal, written, signed document is not needed to constitute a contract.

However, I can wait for the extra stuff. To be honest, I'm not waiting for much more than what I already have..... I'm loving this sim.

Just wanted to clear up the above misguided implication of what a contract is.

~S~
ljazz

MajorBloodnok
01-26-2005, 06:42 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by m.manson2004:

_BREACH OF CONTRACT_
Totally wrong my dear pilot you paid for whats written on the box,clear now?you are not getting anything at all _free_,actually they owe you interest and i'm not kidding so anything they give us is not free,they owe you, nothing is free,remember that in business.

manson <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

If you're that disgruntled, I really think you ought to sue Maddox for every red cent (or rouble) he has. If only for the appalling mental anguish his dispicable actions have caused you. That'll teach him for presuming to make sims for whining ungrateful sociopaths.

By the same token, when he gives us A/C not mentioned on the box or any undocumented feature (as he has done on numerous occasions in the past, for IL2 and FB), in any down-loadable add-on, I expect you'll cough up personally for the development costs?

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif

DRB_Hookech0
01-26-2005, 07:34 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Badsight.:
oh ya ?
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Pssssssssst.....If I keep my expectations super low....imagine the surprize when the things like that come true.

But I still stand by the FS9 aircraft shockwave is putting out.

sapre
01-26-2005, 08:36 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by m.manson2004:
Alright then i'll just keep the counter ticking and remind you all a little further on.Tick tick tick tick............

manson <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
No, thank you.

TAGERT.
01-26-2005, 11:00 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by ljazz:
~S~ All!!!

I really try to stay out of these things.... but this really perked me up. Money changing hands does constitute the binding of a contract. False advertising is done before the money changes hands. When what is advertised is not delivered, then there is a "breech of contract." A formal, written, signed document is not needed to constitute a contract.

However, I can wait for the extra stuff. To be honest, I'm not waiting for much more than what I already have..... I'm loving this sim.

Just wanted to clear up the above misguided implication of what a contract is.

~S~
ljazz <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Not true.

cwojackson
01-26-2005, 11:28 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by MajorBloodnok:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by m.manson2004:

_BREACH OF CONTRACT_
Totally wrong my dear pilot you paid for whats written on the box,clear now?you are not getting anything at all _free_,actually they owe you interest and i'm not kidding so anything they give us is not free,they owe you, nothing is free,remember that in business.

manson <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

If you're that disgruntled, I really think you ought to sue Maddox for every red cent (or rouble) he has.


http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Why? It's far more simple to keep the current situation in mind when considering any future products from him.

MajorBloodnok
01-27-2005, 02:44 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by cwojackson:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by MajorBloodnok:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by m.manson2004:

_BREACH OF CONTRACT_
Totally wrong my dear pilot you paid for whats written on the box,clear now?you are not getting anything at all _free_,actually they owe you interest and i'm not kidding so anything they give us is not free,they owe you, nothing is free,remember that in business.

manson <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

If you're that disgruntled, I really think you ought to sue Maddox for every red cent (or rouble) he has.


http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Why? It's far more simple to keep the current situation in mind when considering any future products from him. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
I suppose the issue for me and others who have been here since the early days of IL2 is that we keep the current situation in mind in consideration of past products (and incomparable) support from him. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

ljazz
01-27-2005, 05:39 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by TAGERT.:

Not true. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Nice arguement.

If you have the product, and a bill of sale, I dare you to find a judge in the land that would not say this is a completed agreement... or contract..... I'd be more than happy to help you do the legal research proving this. The Uniform Commercial Code, which has been adopted by most states in the US, specifically state that contracts do not necessarily have to be in writing. Here is their definition of a contract:

(1) In this Article unless the context otherwise requires "contract" and "agreement" are limited to those relating to the present or future sale of goods. "Contract for sale" includes both a present sale of goods and a contract to sell goods at a future time. A "sale" consists in the passing of title from the seller to the buyer for a price (Section 2-401). A "present sale" means a sale which is accomplished by the making of the contract.

~S~
ljazz

MajorBloodnok
01-27-2005, 06:34 AM
I like the bit where it goes "..The Party of the First Part shall hereinafter be referred to as the Party of the First Part..." http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

ljazz
01-27-2005, 06:55 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by MajorBloodnok:
I like the bit where it goes "..The Party of the First Part shall hereinafter be referred to as the Party of the First Part..." http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

~S~!!!

Hey, that is my favorite part too!!!

I understand why one would think that it is just false advertising. However, if one were to pursue legal action, there would have to be (in most cases) a completed "agreement," or contract, if you will, to show that there have been damages due to the false misrepresentation of the product.

However, I believe the FTC could go after the company falsely misrepresenting a product.

All of that aside, because it is extremely off topic, we should have faith, because I believe 1C will come through. There is a ton to enjoy in what we already have. I know I have barely scratched the surface of all the hip stuff in this sim. I'm amazed everyday by the detail, and the amount of stuff I've been afforded with.... and for a measly 70 bucks (IL2FB+ACES+PF)!

~S~
ljazz

TAGERT.
01-28-2005, 12:05 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by ljazz:
Nice arguement. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>What can I say.. it's a gift.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by ljazz:
If you have the product, and a bill of sale, I dare you to find a judge in the land that would not say this is a completed agreement... or contract..... I'd be more than happy to help you do the legal research proving this. The Uniform Commercial Code, which has been adopted by most states in the US, specifically state that contracts do not necessarily have to be in writing. Here is their definition of a contract:

(1) In this Article unless the context otherwise requires "contract" and "agreement" are limited to those relating to the present or future sale of goods. "Contract for sale" includes both a present sale of goods and a contract to sell goods at a future time. A "sale" consists in the passing of title from the seller to the buyer for a price (Section 2-401). A "present sale" means a sale which is accomplished by the making of the contract.

~S~
ljazz <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Nah, I dare you to find a judge that would hear your case.. Let alone a law dog that would take it.. But if you do.. I'd be more than happy to send you a gold star if you do.

ploughman
01-28-2005, 01:48 AM
On a legal aside do you all remember a case in the US a few years ago about Pepsi tin ring pulls? The deal was you collected loads of these things and then sent them in and got some merchandise, but the TV advert also stated that if you collected like a million ring pulls you won a Harrier Jump Jet.

Some moron actually went to the trouble of collecting that many ring pulls, sent them in and quietly awaited the delivery of his Harrier. Needless to say, no jump jet was actually forthcoming so the case goes to court and the judge ruled that the offer of a Jump Jet for a million ring pulls was so patently ridiculous that even a moron high on Pepsi should have realised it was nothing more than a gimmick. Case dismissed, moron much poorer than before. I'm not sure if there's much of a lesson in there except to say it doesn't always do what it says on the tin.

cwojackson
01-28-2005, 02:17 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Ploughman:
On a legal aside do you all remember a case in the US a few years ago about Pepsi tin ring pulls? The deal was you collected loads of these things and then sent them in and got some merchandise, but the TV advert also stated that if you collected like a million ring pulls you won a Harrier Jump Jet.

Some moron actually went to the trouble of collecting that many ring pulls, sent them in and quietly awaited the delivery of his Harrier. Needless to say, no jump jet was actually forthcoming so the case goes to court and the judge ruled that the offer of a Jump Jet for a million ring pulls was so patently ridiculous that even a moron high on Pepsi should have realised it was nothing more than a gimmick. Case dismissed, moron much poorer than before. I'm not sure if there's much of a lesson in there except to say it doesn't always do what it says on the tin. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>It was 7,000,000 tops needed to win the Harrier, which is what the judge used in his ruling; that with an amount that large it was clearly evident that Pepsico indended it in jest.

On the flip side, it didn't cost the moron who brought the suit a penny as he was being represented by a legal team looking for the headlines and a possible payoff from Pepsico. The cost of defending themselves from the suit however cost Pepsico more then the whole promotion netted them.

ljazz
01-28-2005, 05:41 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by TAGERT.:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by ljazz:
Nice arguement. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>What can I say.. it's a gift.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by ljazz:
If you have the product, and a bill of sale, I dare you to find a judge in the land that would not say this is a completed agreement... or contract..... I'd be more than happy to help you do the legal research proving this. The Uniform Commercial Code, which has been adopted by most states in the US, specifically state that contracts do not necessarily have to be in writing. Here is their definition of a contract:

(1) In this Article unless the context otherwise requires "contract" and "agreement" are limited to those relating to the present or future sale of goods. "Contract for sale" includes both a present sale of goods and a contract to sell goods at a future time. A "sale" consists in the passing of title from the seller to the buyer for a price (Section 2-401). A "present sale" means a sale which is accomplished by the making of the contract.

~S~
ljazz <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Nah, I dare you to find a judge that would hear your case.. Let alone a law dog that would take it.. But if you do.. I'd be more than happy to send you a gold star if you do. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

~S~ Target

LOL.... I dared you first!

You're right, a lawyer wouldn't take this, because the person who feels shafted is only out 30 or 40 bucks.... not much in damages there..... but if it were to go to court, a judge would rule as I had mentioned. We see it all the time in much bigger cases.

In principle, my arguement stands. A completed contract does not have to be in writing (as you so boldly claimed). But if it's writing you want, then writing I'll give you...... A bill of sale, and the claims on the box (btw, the sim is still being sold with the same claims on there). Anyone who has been through even a high school business law, economics or marketing class knows this.