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mortoma
06-26-2007, 03:49 PM
I DL'd the latest version of IE and I hate it!!
The buttons are in new and weird places and the forward/back buttons are tiny!! It does not seem to be customizable at all. Typical Microsoft, shove something down your throat, like it or not. They should at least have a "classic" setting whereby you could get it to look/feel like their older browsers. All I know is I was not expecting this. I can use both Mozilla browsers ( Netscape and Firefox )
but still would like to be able to get my IE the way it used to be, even if I don't use it very much.

Anyone know if you can customize it or maybe go
back to an older version? I have heard that IE gets so imbedded in Windows you usually can't unistall it or delete it. Any experts out there??

jurinko
06-26-2007, 03:54 PM
Why not Firefox?

DKoor
06-26-2007, 03:57 PM
Originally posted by jurinko:
Why not Firefox? +1

It's true..... Firefox is so much enjoyable that it's not even comparable.

IMHO.

VW-IceFire
06-26-2007, 03:59 PM
Its time to get Firefox.

www.mozilla.com (http://www.mozilla.com)

You can go back to IE6 but you have to have made a restore point just prior to installing it. After that you can't go back. Its because Microsoft integrated IE into Windows a long time ago...so its not like another piece of software...its actually part of the OS. Its part of the reason its so vulnerable to compromising system security although its starting to get better.

No really...its time for Firefox or at least something else alternative. Firefox is very simple, very lightweight, but with the extensions its also very powerful if you want it to be. Most people don't need anything added on and with about 12% of the browser market web designers are catering to ensuring that Firefox works just as well as IE does on their websites.

Its been a while since I needed to use IE for anything.

MEGILE
06-26-2007, 04:09 PM
Firefox is pretty cool...

I'm no militant browser user though.. afterall porn is porn, it dont matter whether its IE or FF.

Little_Walt
06-26-2007, 04:10 PM
I've always been an Opera man myself, but Firefox is definitely superior to IE. If you want to look into the question of uninstalling IE (and _so_ much more), have a look at:

1. http://www.vorck.com/remove-ie.html

A self-described mind-numbingly detailed site about IE removal. The author is no longer active in the area, but follow some of the links to see what can be done. If you're not tech-oriented, it's likely to be too much. Oriented towards W2K (because of age, mostly, but still worthwhile if you want this kind of thing).

2. http://www.hfslip.org/

Not so mind-numbing, but it used batch and text files a lot, and still might be a bit much if you aren't tech-oriented. W2K and after are dealt with.

3. http://www.nliteos.com

This is what you want if you just want to get IE (and other things) off your system. Nice GUI, though it does require a reinstall. As user-friendly as this stuff gets. I use this. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Most of the above will strip out all kinds of things from Windows and make your box more lean and mean. You'll need an install disk, I think.

If you haven't done this kind of thing before, be careful and read a bit. If you don't want to do any more than necessary, stick with NLite.

Hope that's helpful.

Little Walt

crucislancer
06-26-2007, 04:14 PM
More Kudos for Firefox. It's got some cool features as well.

Urufu_Shinjiro
06-26-2007, 04:22 PM
Firefox FTW!

LEXX_Luthor
06-26-2007, 04:26 PM
I DL'd the latest version of IE...
Un-download it -- perhaps that would mean "up-load" it. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

You best improve your Microsoft IE experience by downloading the browser that every simmer/simmerette in this thread suggests.

BillyTheKid_22
06-26-2007, 04:29 PM
Firefox!! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

neural_dream
06-26-2007, 04:29 PM
Originally posted by mortoma:
Anyone know if you can customize it or maybe go
back to an older version? I have heard that IE gets so imbedded in Windows you usually can't unistall it or delete it. Any experts out there??
Older version? IE6 was pretty bad.

IE7 is teh best browser I've used the last decade. The fact that you were used to another one and aren't willing to adapt is irrelevant to IE7's merits. Also, Firefox is a bit dated atm. Opera and IE7 are leading the race. Any news on any upcoming major improvement of Firefox? They usually invent something and get back in front after a while, but it's been some years now that they haven't changed anything and since IE7 added tabs and (IMO) made them better than the firefox ones, firefox probably lost many users.

Ah and stay away from safari. Now that's a really bad browser. 5 years behind its time.

SithSpeeder
06-26-2007, 05:02 PM
Firefox +1 http://www.mozilla.com/en-US/firefox/

I keep IE updated only to handle Windows Update and the occasional site for which Firefox doesn't work well.

* _54th_Speeder *

na85
06-26-2007, 05:10 PM
www.getfirefox.com (http://www.getfirefox.com)

deepo_HP
06-26-2007, 05:14 PM
hi mortoma,

i agree with neural_dream...
'firefox' has become trendy, not more. not only it becomes terribly slow (not very fast anyway), as soon as some extensions are loaded, and it takes away same if not more memory than 'ie'... also the security-behaviour hasn't developed much since v1.5.
in that regard 'ie7' has advanced quite a lot.

however, the outfit of 'ie7' doesn't please me much, too http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif
you can at least get all functions back by adding them again to the 'symbols'-bar. same goes for 'menu-bar' which is easy to make reappear.
the design of symbols seems to be not changeable though - where i wonder, why you feel the 'back'- and 'fore'-buttons to be too tiny? i'd rather say, they are too big http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

mortoma
06-26-2007, 05:42 PM
Did anyone fully read my post?? I do have Firefox and I have Netscape too. But I want to occasionally use IE too. I just want it to be closer to the old IE. And there are some sites that will only run right on IE, athough they are rare. I want all of my browsers to be functionallly satisfying to use. If nobody can read my post thoroughly enough or can help me, I shall go elsewhere. But thanks for at least coming in the thread anyway. Next time read a post before jumping on the keyboard though. It makes things better http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

SeaFireLIV
06-26-2007, 05:48 PM
I feel your pain, mortoma. I installed IE too and hated it. Gave me all sorts of aggravations. A great case of `fixing` something that worked perfectly fine and botching it.

Fortunately, I was due to reformat and 2nd time around I said, "NO!"

Sorry, this may not be much help to you in your case. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

M_Gunz
06-26-2007, 05:57 PM
Firefox by Mozilla is good and comes in different versions.
I use the Seamonkey version as it combines Mail and News with browser and is the closest
thing to old Netscape except all the newer capability and all.

mortoma
06-26-2007, 06:09 PM
Originally posted by SeaFireLIV:
I feel your pain, mortoma. I installed IE too and hated it. Gave me all sorts of aggravations. A great case of `fixing` something that worked perfectly fine and botching it.

Fortunately, I was due to reformat and 2nd time around I said, "NO!"

Sorry, this may not be much help to you in your case. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif I hate the tiny and close together forward/back buttons. They are a pain
to use on a laptop like I just bought. I use my laptop for surfing the internet too. I will no longer use a desktop for that except if my laptop is unusable or something. But getting back to the button thing, if you use your touchpad on your laptop, you know how much clumsier they are than a mouse. When buttons are tiny and close together like that it makes it tough.

Bearcat99
06-26-2007, 06:29 PM
Firefox!! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif

LStarosta
06-26-2007, 06:36 PM
Great Nice!!! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/compsmash.gif

mbfRoy
06-26-2007, 06:39 PM
Right, get firefox or just learn the keyboard shortcuts, which afaik are the same for both firefox and IE7.

zardozid
06-26-2007, 06:44 PM
I didn't read the whole thread so if someone else all ready brought this up I'm repeating...BUT I like to use "Firefox" with an add-on called "IE Tab" it opens an "IE" window within "FireFox" Soooo you use all the "FireFox" buttons NOT IE buttons...

YOU are using Explorer with-in FireFox...its still IE just firefox buttons.

mortoma
06-26-2007, 07:13 PM
Originally posted by mbfRoy:
Right, get firefox or just learn the keyboard shortcuts, which afaik are the same for both firefox and IE7. Still there are a lot of people who still don't understand because they did not read my first post or my second one. I already have Firefox!! That's not the problem at all. I want to enjoy using all the browsers, IE included. I wanted help/advice on
how to restore an older verison of IE or change the new one to look and feel like an older edition.

I repeat, I already have Firefox and Netscape too for that matter...............

mortoma
06-26-2007, 07:18 PM
This thread is not about Firefox versus IE or any such comparison. This thread is supposed to be about IE only and how ( if ) the new version can either be changed to be more like the old or how maybe it can be unistalled, if possible.

Please stick to the subject of the thread.
I don't care about which one is better. I love Firefox by the way. I just want to use all browsers and I liked the old IE better. Is that too complicated??

neural_dream
06-26-2007, 07:18 PM
Mortoma, you can't change the bits you want to change, as they are not customisable apart from the slight increase in size of icons that you ve probably already found. I am not aware of a plugin/utility to do so, and if there existed I should normally know it.

If your mouse isn't too old you most probably have one middle button, which is what you press to open/close tabs, and two additional side-buttons which are the back/forward buttons of the browser. I hadn't noticed, but you are right, it's not easy to click on buttons on IE7. However, this type of browsing has pretty much eclipsed since firefox appeared.

You don't need the home button because you have a googlebar, and you don't need back/forward because of the additional functionality of most new mice. The refresh button people usually didn't press anyway, because most of the times it didn't work and you had to press ctrl-f5 (or is it shift-f5) for full refresh.... blah blah. What I miss it the stop button. Now that should be BIG and obvious, especially in today's Internet which is so fast that people accidentally click and load pages they don't want. The Stop button is also the only way to stop annoying music from websites.

mbfRoy
06-26-2007, 07:20 PM
Originally posted by mortoma:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by mbfRoy:
Right, get firefox or just learn the keyboard shortcuts, which afaik are the same for both firefox and IE7. Still there are a lot of people who still don't understand because they did not read my first post or my second one. I already have Firefox!! That's not the problem at all. I want to enjoy using all the browsers, IE included. I wanted help/advice on
how to restore an older verison of IE or change the new one to look and feel like an older edition.

I repeat, I already have Firefox and Netscape too for that matter............... </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

My bad...

Ok, to get slightly bigger icons: right click on the grey menu background and check "Use large icons". Also, you can add test below each icon (same procedure), and I believe that the buttons can be moved to some extent.

I believe there aren't any skins for it though

mortoma
06-27-2007, 08:04 AM
Originally posted by mbfRoy:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by mortoma:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by mbfRoy:
Right, get firefox or just learn the keyboard shortcuts, which afaik are the same for both firefox and IE7. Still there are a lot of people who still don't understand because they did not read my first post or my second one. I already have Firefox!! That's not the problem at all. I want to enjoy using all the browsers, IE included. I wanted help/advice on
how to restore an older verison of IE or change the new one to look and feel like an older edition.

I repeat, I already have Firefox and Netscape too for that matter............... </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

My bad...

Ok, to get slightly bigger icons: right click on the grey menu background and check "Use large icons". Also, you can add test below each icon (same procedure), and I believe that the buttons can be moved to some extent.

I believe there aren't any skins for it though </div></BLOCKQUOTE>Ok, this helped a little bit, I just wish I could move all the buttons over to the left side where they used to be!! But I'll live with it.

mortoma
06-27-2007, 08:11 AM
Originally posted by neural_dream:
Mortoma, you can't change the bits you want to change, as they are not customisable apart from the slight increase in size of icons that you ve probably already found. I am not aware of a plugin/utility to do so, and if there existed I should normally know it.

If your mouse isn't too old you most probably have one middle button, which is what you press to open/close tabs, and two additional side-buttons which are the back/forward buttons of the browser. I hadn't noticed, but you are right, it's not easy to click on buttons on IE7. However, this type of browsing has pretty much eclipsed since firefox appeared.

You don't need the home button because you have a googlebar, and you don't need back/forward because of the additional functionality of most new mice. The refresh button people usually didn't press anyway, because most of the times it didn't work and you had to press ctrl-f5 (or is it shift-f5) for full refresh.... blah blah. What I miss it the stop button. Now that should be BIG and obvious, especially in today's Internet which is so fast that people accidentally click and load pages they don't want. The Stop button is also the only way to stop annoying music from websites. Thanks
Neutral dream, but my mouse does not have the middle button cuz it's a laptop touchpad thingie. I am going to get a real mouse eventually but that won't help when I want to sit in my chair or on the sofa and use my laptop, only when I use it at a desk or tabletop
somewhere. But I hardly ever do this at home.
Well, the slightly bigger icons ( and I do mean
slightly ) that mbfRoy let me in on helped a tiny bit. Thanks, I think this does it for this thread now!!!!

MaxMhz
06-27-2007, 09:05 AM
Originally posted by mortoma:
I DL'd the latest version of IE and I hate it!!
The buttons are in new and weird places and the forward/back buttons are tiny!! It does not seem to be customizable at all. Typical Microsoft, shove something down your throat, like it or not. They should at least have a "classic" setting whereby you could get it to look/feel like their older browsers. All I know is I was not expecting this. I can use both Mozilla browsers ( Netscape and Firefox )
but still would like to be able to get my IE the way it used to be, even if I don't use it very much.

Anyone know if you can customize it or maybe go
back to an older version? I have heard that IE gets so imbedded in Windows you usually can't unistall it or delete it. Any experts out there??
\did you try Control Panel >Add/Remove Programs

Then to the left - Add/Remove Windows components - It should list Internet explorer http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif
If you loose IE completely, you can download IE6 SP1 here (http://www.updatexp.com/download-ie6.html)

Better yet, drop the whole IE monster and switch to FireFox + Thunderbird.
Install Adblock Plus under FF and you can click-away those annoying ads too http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif
And then there are a LOT of free themes for FF and Thunderbird.

FF +1
At least F will give you a warning when a new version is available and not install all kinds of unneeded and unwanted trash behind your back like M$ does...

There are more fundamental problems with IE7 than just bad UI design. ie.g IE6 could be used to drag-drop files to your homepage, IE7 can not.
I'm running FF 2.0.0.1 with TB and am very pleased with both. I'm using IE6 to up/download files to my webspace. And that's all it's good for.

neural_dream
06-27-2007, 10:22 AM
Originally posted by MaxMhz:
There are more fundamental problems with IE7 than just bad UI design. ie.g IE6 could be used to drag-drop files to your homepage, IE7 can not.
What? What do you mean by drag drop files to the homepage?

mortoma
06-27-2007, 11:27 AM
Originally posted by MaxMhz:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by mortoma:
I DL'd the latest version of IE and I hate it!!
The buttons are in new and weird places and the forward/back buttons are tiny!! It does not seem to be customizable at all. Typical Microsoft, shove something down your throat, like it or not. They should at least have a "classic" setting whereby you could get it to look/feel like their older browsers. All I know is I was not expecting this. I can use both Mozilla browsers ( Netscape and Firefox )
but still would like to be able to get my IE the way it used to be, even if I don't use it very much.

Anyone know if you can customize it or maybe go
back to an older version? I have heard that IE gets so imbedded in Windows you usually can't unistall it or delete it. Any experts out there??
\did you try Control Panel >Add/Remove Programs

Then to the left - Add/Remove Windows components - It should list Internet explorer http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif
If you loose IE completely, you can download IE6 SP1 here (http://www.updatexp.com/download-ie6.html)

Better yet, drop the whole IE monster and switch to FireFox + Thunderbird.
Install Adblock Plus under FF and you can click-away those annoying ads too http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif
And then there are a LOT of free themes for FF and Thunderbird.

FF +1
At least F will give you a warning when a new version is available and not install all kinds of unneeded and unwanted trash behind your back like M$ does...

There are more fundamental problems with IE7 than just bad UI design. ie.g IE6 could be used to drag-drop files to your homepage, IE7 can not.
I'm running FF 2.0.0.1 with TB and am very pleased with both. I'm using IE6 to up/download files to my webspace. And that's all it's good for. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>Actually I never tried add/remove because I had heard that IE is so far imbedded into Windows once it intalls that you can't uninstall it. This may have been a inaccurate rumour of sorts though. I have always had trouble with Messenger in this area. Also if you remove Messenger chat program as a startup by deselecting it in Msconfig/startup tab, it aggressively reinstates itself as a startup!
But that's another story in itself entirely. Messenger chat does not like to be unistalled either. I had a Windows install go unstable once after unistalling it. So I have always feared uninstalling IE for the same reason.

deepo_HP
06-27-2007, 12:38 PM
Originally posted by mortoma:
Actually I never tried add/remove because I had heard that IE is so far imbedded into Windows once it intalls that you can't uninstall it. This may have been a inaccurate rumour of sorts though. I have always had trouble with Messenger in this area. Also if you remove Messenger chat program as a startup by deselecting it in Msconfig/startup tab, it aggressively reinstates itself as a startup!
But that's another story in itself entirely. Messenger chat does not like to be unistalled either. I had a Windows install go unstable once after unistalling it. So I have always feared uninstalling IE for the same reason.

hi mortoma,

you get rid of 'messenger' by uninstalling it.
since uninstall is marked as 'hidden', you first have to look for the file 'sysoc.inf' in the folder 'c:\windows\inf\'. open that file with 'editor' or 'notepad' and look for the line:
msmsgs=msgrocm.dll,OcEntry,msmsgs.inf,hide,7
which you change to:
msmsgs=msgrocm.dll,OcEntry,msmsgs.inf,,7
(so just delete 'hide').
save 'sysoc.inf' (without changing the file-extension '.inf', just 'save')
and you will be able to uninstall 'messenger' via 'controlpanel - software - add/delete windowscomponents'.

neural_dream
06-27-2007, 02:08 PM
Originally posted by deepo_HP:


hi mortoma,

you get rid of 'messenger' by uninstalling it.
since uninstall is marked as 'hidden', you first have to look for the file 'sysoc.inf' in the folder 'c:\windows\inf\'. open that file with 'editor' or 'notepad' and look for the line:
msmsgs=msgrocm.dll,OcEntry,msmsgs.inf,hide,7
which you change to:
msmsgs=msgrocm.dll,OcEntry,msmsgs.inf,,7
(so just delete 'hide').
save 'sysoc.inf' (without changing the file-extension '.inf', just 'save')
and you will be able to uninstall 'messenger' via 'controlpanel - software - add/delete windowscomponents'.
I think that's not need since Service Pack 2. You CAN see and remove the messenger by default now.

VW-IceFire
06-27-2007, 03:55 PM
Originally posted by mortoma:
Did anyone fully read my post?? I do have Firefox and I have Netscape too. But I want to occasionally use IE too. I just want it to be closer to the old IE. And there are some sites that will only run right on IE, athough they are rare. I want all of my browsers to be functionallly satisfying to use. If nobody can read my post thoroughly enough or can help me, I shall go elsewhere. But thanks for at least coming in the thread anyway. Next time read a post before jumping on the keyboard though. It makes things better http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif
Yes I did. Did you read mine? As I said in my previous reply...you'll need a restore point just prior to the install for you to be able to go back. Otherwise you're up the creek and you'd have to reinstall windows.

Te_Vigo
06-27-2007, 11:49 PM
A user can always get a mouse with Leftlick, RightClick, ScrollWheel and two extra buttons for Back/ Forward to use with IE7
http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

and obtain a PreventRun Registry Key edit to prevent Windows Messenger from running http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Cajun76
06-28-2007, 12:56 AM
Originally posted by mortoma:
Did anyone fully read my post?? I do have Firefox and I have Netscape too. But I want to occasionally use IE too. I just want it to be closer to the old IE. And there are some sites that will only run right on IE, athough they are rare. I want all of my browsers to be functionallly satisfying to use. If nobody can read my post thoroughly enough or can help me, I shall go elsewhere. But thanks for at least coming in the thread anyway. Next time read a post before jumping on the keyboard though. It makes things better http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

There's an extension to use IE in a Firefox browser. If a page loads funky, then I simply hit the switch, and it loads as an IE page. Rarely use, but it comes in handy.

Czech6
06-28-2007, 05:28 PM
Mortomo,

I didn't like IE7 either. Went to MS IE homepage and it said just delete it using the Control Panel and it would revert back to IE6. Didn't have to do a restore point. It worked for me. Check it out on MS and confirm what I'm saying.

EURO_Snoopy
06-28-2007, 06:00 PM
Why does everyone start chirping about Firefox when there is a simple to answer query about IE?


To answer your original question:

Customising IE7 Toolbar:
http://www.microsoft.com/windows/ie/community/columns/ie7_toolbar.mspx
http://www.uwec.edu/help/IE_7/customize.htm


This article describes how to uninstall Windows Internet Explorer 7 in Microsoft Windows XP and in Microsoft Windows Server 2003. It also describes that Microsoft Internet Explorer 6 is restored after Internet Explorer 7 is uninstalled. (http://support.microsoft.com/kb/927177)