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Hristos
03-20-2005, 09:44 AM
Here's a problem certain servers encounter.

A player, when in trouble, simply disconnects from the game. This way he preserves his stats, but also denies the other player a (deserved) kill.

It doesn't sound like a big deal, but it really hurts "realistic" servers like Warclouds.

In other online sims like Warbirds and Aces High, there are options:

- if a player disconnects and no planes are near and his plane hasn't been pinged, nothing happens
- if a player disconnects near an enemy plane, no matter if pinged or not, the enemy gets the kill
- if a player was pinged during the sortie, no matter the damage and position, if he disconnects, enemy gets the kill

This used to work quite well over the years and would improve online play.

drose01
03-22-2005, 07:32 AM
This has happened to me too on Warclouds. Very annoying. Seems like an extremely immature behavior.

WOLFMondo
03-22-2005, 07:55 AM
At the same time I've been disconnected as I've been shot at on WC. I know the guy who was shooting at me so said on TS I've been disconnected through no fault of my own and there wasn't a problem.

Don't jump to conclusions.

mynameisroland
03-22-2005, 07:56 AM
Amen , I hate Disco's

I bite the bullet if I am in crappy situation why cant others?

MEGILE
03-22-2005, 08:08 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by WOLFMondo:
At the same time I've been disconnected as I've been shot at on WC. I know the guy who was shooting at me so said on TS I've been disconnected through no fault of my own and there wasn't a problem.

Don't jump to conclusions. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Same here..

I get ping kicked when I'm taxiing, I get ping kicked when I'm taking off, I get ping kicked when I'm cruising, and I get ping kicked when I'm dogfighting.. nothing I can do about it.

CAPT_COTTON
03-22-2005, 10:18 AM
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The guy who disconects to save himself is a CHEAT http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/mockface.gifand the host needs to find the repeat offenders and ban http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif and he also upsets the ping and packets to the guy behind him and then he finds himself kicked and the guy behind him even if on same team should screem blody muder at host about the cheating coward we all seen http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/10.gif BUT you haft to be nice to kids and kick some one on 57 kbps to make everone feel better http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif
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Jumoschwanz
03-22-2005, 11:06 AM
Well Hristos,

1. Maybe you would enjoy the game more if you quit worrying about comparing yourself with what everybody else is doing? Comparison kills.

2. The stats that are kept on FBD Daemon servers are totally wacked and inaccurate anyway.

My stats on WarClouds have never been accurate. I was shot down and hit the ground and killed at least three times in the last month and it never showed, and almost half the planes I shot down that hit the ground never showed up in the stats either. The hours I spent in the air never matched, nothing is accurate at all.

Also WarClouds stats have been wiped clean and reset to zero twice in the last week or so, so all you are worrying about is gone anyway.

There have always been those trying to cheat in someway, either by using lag induced by rapid control inputs, print screen, and now maybe disconnecting. That is their problem, not yours unless you let it ruin your fun.

In the past if I was on someone's tail and thier plane started going into some crazy warping I just tried to shoot them down anyway , it was harder but still a challenge. And if it got too bad I just flew away and found someone who knew how to have fun without a cheat.

And then there is combat fatigue. I believe it is real in this game. Some of the missions guys fly take one to two hours, they go through a whole tank of gas especially in the axis planes. They do this many times a week, look at the hours they log, as many as real combat pilots maybe. And when things go bad and they had enough they will just quit and take a break. Take it easy on them, though they may not know it, it is just a game.

There are so many variables and glitches to the software and internet we are using there is no way you can prove that anything you think you see actually happened. You can suspect it but cannot prove it.

So yelling cheat now is as always, playing the role of Chicken Little, or crying wolf, you are bound to cause way more problems with posts like this than ever existed in the first place. If you can't have fun on a server, then you don't belong there. Start a server of your own the way you like it then you can boot everyone you have these suspicions about maybe? Might be like playing offline shortly though huh?

Jumoschwanz

Jumoschwanz
03-22-2005, 11:31 AM
And I might seem a little harsh on this point, but in the last three plus years of flying this sim online, the number one reason myself and others have ruined online servers was by whining about them. I am always amazed when I see stuff typed in the chat bar like:

There is too much aaa...

There is too little aaa....

Bases are too close...

Bases are too far apart....

Other team is: staying too close to their base...too far from their base, vulching, too many in numbers, cheating

Zoom and boom tactics are cheating!

Too much lag....

I am sure I missed many. All these poeple had to do to solve any or all of the above problems is join a server they like or start their own and start booting players, if any will be there at all. Instead time and time again they make it miserable for the ones there that are having fun by using the chat bar as a tool to change things to suit them, which of course never worked once.

Jumoschwanz

nickdanger3
03-22-2005, 11:45 AM
Jumo,

You forgot when you shoot somebody down, the first thing they type is "You fly a XXXXX - you're a noob" or "The FM of the plane I was flying is porked". Sigh. I so hate that.

First thing you type on getting shot down is "GK" or "S!"

Cess-SGTRoc
03-22-2005, 11:59 AM
That has been a problem with this sim from the first. Using dis conects to save there score.

WC has quite a few more now that it was made a your killed your droped server. It seems to have brought out the worst in some flyers.
I quit flying for points quite a while back. Got tired of all the crying like goes on in this forum. Was tired of the spwan campers who set at a airfield and vulch the flyers just as the spwan so they can get there points up to brag about.
Well most of us do not even see or look or pay atention to the point rating anymore because it is so easly tricked .

Not all are doing this though, and there are still a whole lot of very good people on flying that keep points. But you just have to know who your flying with and not worry about the drop outs.
And there are other servers that are very good and alot of fun to fly on. Try them and move around. It does make the Sim more fun!

diomedes33
03-22-2005, 12:07 PM
I would bet that more times than not it is the death kick that's spoiling the realism. If you kill the pilot inside the plane on his last life it will immideatly kick that player, before the plane is destroyed.

Hristos
03-22-2005, 02:33 PM
Jumoschwanz, what are you actually trying to say ? I am enjoying this sim online much more than any other sim. And I've been playing them since 1998. I live for comparison ! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

This post was in ORR at first and was intended as a suggestion to Oleg to allow server admins new tools. Once it was moved here, it has lost its purpose.

So, just because FDB stats are not accurate we should be flying reckless anyway ?! Well, never. You see, the thing I most enjoy is careful flying, shooting people down and landing my kills. I've been trying mindless kill-die-respawn routine, but got bored with it fast. FDB stats are better than nothing and are an indicator of pilot ability, even though they lose track of things from time to time. In fact, I think they are the greatest addition to this sim since Hyperlobby.

This thread is not a whine, but a mere suggestion on what may be improved.

LLv34_Stafroty
03-22-2005, 03:58 PM
happened to me aslo, looked really much as intentional disco pilot was RKKA_Tim with P38Q1 while i had 109G6AS. his plane was already smokin from earlier hits, when i was coming for attack at him, Woosh, disco http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif and he came rightaway back at there, while, i was gone already, got enough of it. what about making special page in here for all to see, who makes disco in certain circumstanced http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

NorrisMcWhirter
03-22-2005, 04:03 PM
Some people like to cheat..it's really that simple. It happens all the time in DF and talking about it won't stop it.

If you don't like it, I suggest you fly in co-ops and online wars because I really can't remember the last time someone did it on me in those.

Norris

Lucius_Esox
03-22-2005, 05:15 PM
People can cheat all they like really, http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif most of the time they, and I, know who doing it, and that to me is all that matters! For sure it goes on at Warclouds http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif

JG5_UnKle
03-22-2005, 05:24 PM
Have seen it
Have laughed out loud http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

I mean come on - how sad is that? Mentioning no names there is a vpilot who I have seen doing it several times http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif

But more importantly - who cares? Let them have it they are just losers.

SlickStick
03-22-2005, 05:30 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by JG5_UnKle:
Have seen it
Have laughed out loud http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

I mean come on - how sad is that? Mentioning no names there is a vpilot who I have seen doing it several times http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif

But more importantly - who cares? Let them have it they are just losers. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

My sentiments exactly. Stats are the worst thing that ever happened to this game. It harkens me back to the doofuses who used to type that line all the time "IL2 flight manager save my stats" or whatever after every kill. lmao

Real Aces don't need stats to tell them they are good. Others will tell them. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

BTW - UnKle is an Ace. Be sure. I miss the old days on the UBI dedicated servers and the great tussles against you in that stinkin' IL2 one-seater, hehe. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

PBNA-Boosher
03-22-2005, 05:42 PM
We're all here to have fun. If you're not having fun on a certain server, whether it's b/c you're bored or b/c someone is cheating, find somewhere else to play. It's already been mentioned but I'll say it again: Join a coop. Switch targets, whatever.

cheaters will always cheat, by definition. There's nothing you can do to stop a determined cheater, really. Best you can do is pretend he doesn't exist and keep playing.

Lt.Davis
03-22-2005, 07:15 PM
That's simply because of the death kick. Since WC have start DK, i seldom play at WC server, simply not because i hate people disconnect, it's because i'll be kick very offen. So i rather stay in Zeke vs wildcat server, no death kick. So once i death, kick the refly bottom and fly again.

Atomic_Marten
03-22-2005, 08:21 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by nickdanger3:
Jumo,

You forgot when you shoot somebody down, the first thing they type is "You fly a XXXXX - you're a noob" or "The FM of the plane I was flying is porked". Sigh. I so hate that.

First thing you type on getting shot down is "GK" or "S!" <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Uh oh. the most common sentences and gee so annoying ones. Once when I fly Spit (me and two three other guys on server) someone says "Spit is so noob plane". I have played for a while and leave. I have joined other game and see that fellow who said that in - Spit MK9. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif

"IL2 flight manager save my stats" oh yes I have seen that also.(specific online player)

And few days ago on Wildcat-Zeke server I was in F4F and we get into inferior position and returned to base to get cover by friendly flak. B4 you know it, there goes messages, "gee guys F4F is better plane than Zero. What are u afraid of?" and "This fight is Japs vs. flak fight" etc etc.

It really isn't worth to fly seriously online anymore (other than for pure fun -- if I give that a second thought it *never* was really worth it). From time to time I join trollville 3.04 server (Schwalbe 2x250SC vs. Carrier runs are my favourites there http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif) and Zeke vs. Wildcat server and that's about it.

Jumoschwanz
03-22-2005, 08:31 PM
What I mean is this:

Insecure egocentric poeple go through life comparing themselves to and worrying about how they measure up to everyone else because without the comparison they know they are nothing and this scares the he11 out of them. So they go through life scratching and clawing there way to the top of whatever heap of krap they happen to end up standing in, and when you have enough poeple living in this mode the world is full of the kind of conflict you see on the news every night.

The other folks you don't hear from and don't hear about because they are lucky enough to know what and who they are without putting themselves above or below anyone else.
They enjoy and take things as they are and don't spend their day worrying about what anyone else is doing because they know it really has nothing to do with whether they feel good or not.

If you fly the way you want to, and are happy with your stats then that should be the end of it. If you are easily upset because you think someone else is "getting ahead of you" because they do this or that, then get ready for a life of being upset, and not just in this sim, in every aspect of your life. Life is too short.

Jumoschwanz

p1ngu666
03-22-2005, 08:44 PM
doesnt happen that often on arcade servers http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

Lucius_Esox
03-22-2005, 10:42 PM
Well said Jumoschwanz,
I believe to some degree we all suffer from "it" at some time or other, hell I'm only just getting out of that sort of cr@p now, and I'm old enough to know better http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Werre_Fsck
03-22-2005, 11:15 PM
Happened to me on Warclouds.

Same P-39, some russian named Tim, disconnected when in trouble. After a while a friend tried to nail him, but he again disconnected when smoking.

And after rejoin, he did not choose a plane (waited 4-5 mins) until someone did something that showed on log :-) then immediately he chose a plane and headed to the right direction.

Some people.

Hristos
03-22-2005, 11:52 PM
Jumo, there is a difference in being grown up and accepting other people bahevior and not accepting cheating.

Simply, some rules must be obeyed. I can live with score monkeys, cherrypickers (actually, that's me), mindless furballers and Saturday night kamikazis. But I really don't see myself calmly accepting someone breaking the rules in form of disconnecting cheat. I consider myself somewhat grown up, but that I can't accept.

Many times I've been in a bad situation in this game and sometimes I got shot down. Now, which is more "grown up" ? Accepting the inevitable or disconnecting ?

I do mind my own business, apart from taunting on open channel or posting on this board. But it is just part of the role playing game for me. Who knows, maybe I'll continue to mind my own business and disconnect as well if in bad situation.

There are rules in world of grown-ups. Even when they just play games. Maybe it will be all the same to me when I am 80 or so, but I doubt it http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

The bottom line is - I do not try to influence other people's behavior. Instead, I am suggesting something what will improve this game for me. If others will enjoy it more, even better.

Hristos
03-22-2005, 11:54 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Werre_Fsck:
Happened to me on Warclouds.

Same P-39, some russian named Tim, disconnected when in trouble. After a while a friend tried to nail him, but he again disconnected when smoking.

And after rejoin, he did not choose a plane (waited 4-5 mins) until someone did something that showed on log :-) then immediately he chose a plane and headed to the right direction.

Some people. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Admins on Warclouds have requested tracks of such behavior. So, if you got it recorded, just send it.