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XyZspineZyX
08-14-2003, 02:54 PM
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Thinking about picking up a Logitech Wingman Force 3D. Anyone had any good / bad experience with this & IL2?

I've currently got a 1st generation sidewider (no feedback).

XyZspineZyX
08-14-2003, 02:54 PM
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Thinking about picking up a Logitech Wingman Force 3D. Anyone had any good / bad experience with this & IL2?

I've currently got a 1st generation sidewider (no feedback).

XyZspineZyX
08-14-2003, 02:57 PM
You can get a MSFFB2 for $49 at Best Buy with no rebate. Or an X45 here.. http://store.yahoo.com/saitekusa/recprod.html
refurbed for $39. Both sticks are good.

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XyZspineZyX
08-14-2003, 03:03 PM
I have one of these;

http://www.logitech.com/lang/images/0/911.gif

Logitech Freedom 2.4 Ghz Cordless
* 10 buttons (18 commands when one button is assigned as a shift)
* Smooth heavy metal throttle design
* Twisty handle for rudder control
* Cordless
* $60.00-70.00 U.S.



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XyZspineZyX
08-14-2003, 03:05 PM
I will highly recommend Logitech freedom2.4 cordless. a lot of guys here are bad mouthing her, but i like her the most!
because:
1 10 buttons
2 8-direction switch hat
3 very cool design
4 cordless
5 stable and reliable and durable
6 no feedback(i don't like feed back, coz i cannot aim when there's feedback)

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XyZspineZyX
08-14-2003, 03:08 PM
i have a logitech joystick with 7 buttons and one of those round free look buttons that has been really great, the only complaint that I have is that the force feedback sometimes doenst do anything (like when i'm shooting, the stick just feels like im flying without shooting, other times it works just fine)

My cousin has a MS joystick that looks pretty good, but I think they have steeper prices

-McTriggerhappy

XyZspineZyX
08-14-2003, 03:28 PM
I have the Logitech Freedom 2.4 stick as well. I like it a lot with the exception of the power save feature, which tends to kick in at the most inconvenient times. Wouldn't be so bad, but when it does this, it throttles up to 110%. Kinda' "dicey" when flying tight formation or waiting your turn on the runway!

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XyZspineZyX
08-14-2003, 04:23 PM
ashrox wrote:
- I will highly recommend Logitech freedom2.4
- cordless. a lot of guys here are bad mouthing her,
- but i like her the most!
- because:
- 1 10 buttons
- 2 8-direction switch hat
- 3 very cool design
- 4 cordless
- 5 stable and reliable and durable
- 6 no feedback(i don't like feed back, coz i cannot
- aim when there's feedback)



Do you have one of the ten buttons assigned as a shift?
If you do you'll have 18 programmable commands.



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XyZspineZyX
08-14-2003, 04:26 PM
Airhead_777_AVG wrote:
- I have the Logitech Freedom 2.4 stick as well. I
- like it a lot with the exception of the power save
- feature, which tends to kick in at the most
- inconvenient times. Wouldn't be so bad, but when it
- does this, it throttles up to 110%. Kinda' "dicey"
- when flying tight formation or waiting your turn on
- the runway!


I don't fly co-op or practice formation flying very often anymore but when I did I just hit the assigned shift button on the Freedom from time to time to keep it from falling asleep.


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XyZspineZyX
08-14-2003, 04:53 PM
BpGemini wrote:

- I don't fly co-op or practice formation flying very
- often anymore but when I did I just hit the assigned
- shift button on the Freedom from time to time to
- keep it from falling asleep

Rgr. That's what I do as well, WHEN I remember! Gotta keep training my little 2k brain.

Just a note of thanks to you Gemini on your postings here, especially the tactics on flying the P-39...it's been a great help.

XyZspineZyX
08-14-2003, 04:59 PM
BiscuitMonster wrote:
- Flightsim Noob kitting up here /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif
-
- Thinking about picking up a Logitech Wingman Force
- 3D. Anyone had any good / bad experience with this &
- IL2?
-
- I've currently got a 1st generation sidewider (no
- feedback).

I've got this Thrustmaster Afterburner II (not FFB):

http://us.thrustmaster.com/products/images/afterburner2_2.gif


It's a good stick. Fairly cheap ($50 USD) and pretty good for a newcomer like me.

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XyZspineZyX
08-14-2003, 05:12 PM
airhead2 wrote:
- Rgr. That's what I do as well, WHEN I remember!
- Gotta keep training my little 2k brain.
-
- Just a note of thanks to you Gemini on your postings
- here, especially the tactics on flying the
- P-39...it's been a great help.



You're welcome airhead.
Alas some of that advice is obsolete now with the drastic FM changes.
It'll be a fun challenge to get readjusted.

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BM357_Raven
08-14-2003, 05:24 PM
1) MS Force Feedback Sidewinder
2) CH Pro Rudder Pedals [USB]
3) CH Pro Throttle [USB]

4) Good Optical Mouse or TrackIR (I have both, but currently use the mouse)

BTW, how is trackIR working for others??

-Raven

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XyZspineZyX
08-14-2003, 05:34 PM
Be wary when buying any 2.4 Ghz peripheral if you are on a 2.4 wireless network.

I set up my network and had to go out and buy 900 Mhz phones to replace the 2.4's I had recently bought as they were intermittently interfering with my connection signal.

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XyZspineZyX
08-14-2003, 06:06 PM
I have a Saitek X-45. It is possibly the second best joystick in existance, only the Couger is better. It costs about $80 US. The Couger's base price is about $300 US. Logitech makes very nice joysticks, the problem is they break 3 weeks after you get them. I have had a Wingman 3d Extreme, 3d Force feedback and another one who's name escapes me. All of them broke in less than 2 months /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif . I have also had 3 Saiteks. My X-36 lasted a year and a half. My X-45 is 1.5 years old and still working. My Cyborg Gold is a year old and still works like new. The Saiteks are the best value out there. They are long lasting and very ergonomic.

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XyZspineZyX
08-14-2003, 07:09 PM
Maj_Death, please, please, please send me your settings for Saitek Cyborg 3D Gold.....

Also, Saitek is coming with new Cyborg EVO, I think some time this month. Looks very promising...


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XyZspineZyX
08-14-2003, 07:22 PM
The X-45 stick and throttle are a good combintation. I have never used a Cougar but I had several TM (FCS, F-16 Stick, and rudder pedals). I really liked the TM sticks (I actually have a new gameport stick in the atic that I picked up for about $49 and have never used) but the TM stuff had to be repaired.

Go with the X-45,make sure you get the latest software and drivers off of the Saitek web, and buy CH USB pedals. Then get TrackIR. You are talking about $300 which is the cost of a Cougar. If I had unlimited funds or no other hobbies I might buy a Cougar but I cannot justify the price based on the reviews and user comments.

Logitech makes good trackballs but I was very unhappy with a Wingman Extreme (I think that was the model) it flops around and I don't like the twist rudder control.

The other way to go would be CH stick, throttle, and pedals but you would spend another $300 and still not have TrackIR.

My opinion only!

XyZspineZyX
08-14-2003, 07:27 PM
Dude,


Don't get one of those wimpy "Lookalike" sticks. Be original! Try some of these hotrods:

http://www.atarimagazines.com/v2n9/Anticpixcontrollers.html



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XyZspineZyX
08-14-2003, 07:35 PM
I myself went thru 1/2 a dozen 20.00 and 30.00 sticks before I got a MS SideWinder Precision Pro right after it came out (its hooked up to another system 6 feet away right now).
Then I upgraded to the Original MS SideWinder FF (seems like I paid 179.00 for that one {worth every penny},It's hooked up to my standby system).

I recently built a new system.
The MSI main board has no game port, so I looked around here in town, and on the net for a solution.

I opted for the Saitek X45 Hotas and a CH PRO Pedals
(USB). I wish I'd done this years ago. I highly recomend it.

As for the Logitech Wingman Force 3D...

My Dad gave a Logitech Force to one of my brothers about a year ago, It was the FF usb model.

I tried it, and (dawn my flame ******ent suit) what a joke...It felt cheap. I cant imagine it lasting several months (much less, several years).

I recommend the X45 (around 80 bucks).If not that, stick with sidewinder.

XyZspineZyX
08-14-2003, 09:34 PM
Bogun wrote:
- Maj_Death, please, please, please send me your
- settings for Saitek Cyborg 3D Gold.....
-
- Also, Saitek is coming with new Cyborg EVO, I think
- some time this month. Looks very promising...

Why? Can't you create your own control settings in FB?

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XyZspineZyX
08-14-2003, 09:48 PM
I'd like to formally badmouth the Logitech Wingman Digital 3D. The Force Feedback version may be superior, I don't know, but on both Wingman Digital 3Ds I owned, the potentiometer for the rudder twist wore out after a few months. Logitech sent me a 2nd one when the first wore out but it suffered the same fate. At least Logitech has a good replacement policy.

I'm currently using the Thrustmaster Afterburner II and liking it very much. It gives you the choice of what you want to use for rudder: either twist on the stick, or rocker on the throttle (that's what I use). The software is easy to use and stable. A good buy at around $60.

XyZspineZyX
08-14-2003, 11:05 PM
Sarcastr0 wrote:
- I'd like to formally badmouth the Logitech Wingman
- Digital 3D. The Force Feedback version may be
- superior, I don't know, but on both Wingman Digital
- 3Ds I owned, the potentiometer for the rudder twist
- wore out after a few months. Logitech sent me a 2nd
- one when the first wore out but it suffered the same
- fate. At least Logitech has a good replacement
- policy.



All you have to do is loosen the screws and pop the case just enough to lube the pots then it'll last a long time.



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XyZspineZyX
08-15-2003, 12:41 AM
Logitech is great...

But also my ruder start to jump on both sides...

Potentiometer for him is in stisk,not in base...

Is it realy posible to get new one somwhere??? (In my country they loked me strange whan I asked for it...)

Or to put WHAT on it??

XyZspineZyX
08-15-2003, 01:16 AM
MS-FFB-2

Just got one and it's a riot. Love the feedback. Not so much the gun rattle, but the wing load (if that's what you call it) that tells you how close to a stall you are.

Planes I couldnt fly well before I can handle pretty well now. Good stick. Solid, heavy, responsive. Good stuff. Flying without FF would be like using a B&W screen.

XyZspineZyX
08-15-2003, 03:09 AM
adriatic wrote:
-
- Logitech is great...
-
-
- But also my ruder start to jump on both sides...
-
- Potentiometer for him is in stisk,not in base...
-
- Is it realy posible to get new one somwhere??? (In
- my country they loked me strange whan I asked for
- it...)
-
- Or to put WHAT on it??



The pots are in the stick and there's only a few screws and a snap to pop it. With a flashlight and a can of lub with a straw extension work great.


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