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XyZspineZyX
08-26-2003, 10:19 PM
I just fell in love to BF-109 K-4...( /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif ) so i would like to know its weaknesses and it's Strongness.. (If there are any /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif )

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XyZspineZyX
08-26-2003, 10:19 PM
I just fell in love to BF-109 K-4...( /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif ) so i would like to know its weaknesses and it's Strongness.. (If there are any /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif )

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XyZspineZyX
08-26-2003, 10:34 PM
I'm not an expert on the K-4 but from taking it out on a few soties I've come to these conclusions.

Strengths:
-Firepower
-Climbing
-Zoom climb
-Level Speed
-Short take off space

Weaknesses:
-Maneuverability (especially high speed as in a BnZ attack)
-Ammo supply (MK108 runs out pretty quick but can deal out a hell of a punch while it has ammo)
-Rather fragile

I am still undecided on acceleration because of my limited use with it but the MW50 helps a ton in climbing and speed boost. Hopefully an expert will come along soon to give you a more detailed response and correct any misinformations I provided.

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XyZspineZyX
08-26-2003, 10:44 PM
no VVS plane could climb like this baby if you properlly use it also on a dive the only plane that could be a problem is the p-47 if someone in a La 7 try to follow you they will left it wings on the way /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

XyZspineZyX
08-26-2003, 10:44 PM
ok... thx /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

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XyZspineZyX
08-26-2003, 10:46 PM
btw could someone explain me how to use the MW50.. i mean when it is most effective?

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XyZspineZyX
08-26-2003, 10:47 PM
After patch K4 requires some engine management...otherwise quiet a few VVS planes will catch on on the climb. Current K4 sustains over 800km/h IAS dive...so the only enemy for you there is P-47 /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

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XyZspineZyX
08-26-2003, 10:54 PM
throttle back to idle when engaging it. else you run the risk of damaging your engine, i've had it happen a number of times.

some say to engage it with throttle at idle when on the field before takeoff, and whenever you go to 110% it will kick in.

im not exactly positive if doing that is ok. someone care to shed some light on it?

ie. if you engage it before take off, will your engine run hotter with it on and 90-100% throttle? never tested it yet.

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XyZspineZyX
08-26-2003, 10:54 PM
Kradreve wrote:
- btw could someone explain me how to use the MW50.. i
- mean when it is most effective?
-

When you have to CLIMB and/or to RUN.
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XyZspineZyX
08-26-2003, 11:05 PM
crazyivan1970 wrote:
- After patch K4 requires some engine
- management...otherwise quiet a few VVS planes will
- catch on on the climb.


Could you please explain this further? If I'm correct in assuming your refering to prop pitch could you tell us the best way to apply this. I always thought that Auto-pitch was best for the 109s.

XyZspineZyX
08-26-2003, 11:09 PM
he means keep it cool and dont overstress it until you really need to. if your engine has been run hot over an extended period of time, you may find yourself being outpaced by planes that otherwise shouldn't be faster than you.

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XyZspineZyX
08-26-2003, 11:11 PM
i have noticed thet i get an engine damage once in a while when using MW50... everytime the engine has been cool...

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XyZspineZyX
08-26-2003, 11:14 PM
gutted_666 wrote:
- throttle back to idle when engaging it. else you run
- the risk of damaging your engine, i've had it happen
- a number of times.
-
- some say to engage it with throttle at idle when on
- the field before takeoff, and whenever you go to
- 110% it will kick in.
-
- im not exactly positive if doing that is ok. someone
- care to shed some light on it?
-
- ie. if you engage it before take off, will your
- engine run hotter with it on and 90-100% throttle?
- never tested it yet.
-

That's true about the need to throttle back before both engaging and disengaging. There's a myth among certain users that the 109 have a crappy engine. This is caused most of the time by not reducing the throttle before engaging or disengage it. The way i do it, i quicly pull the the throttle, engage and push back full throttle.

Watch out for overheat over 100%. Disengage mw50 asap when you don't need it anymore and open rad, lower throttle/pitch to get the temp down so your engine is cold enough to substain MW50@110% longer when you'll need it again.



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XyZspineZyX
08-26-2003, 11:26 PM
Ok, i`ll try to explain, but this is my way of doing things and i could be wrong.

First of all MW50 should be engaged on the ground and be "ON" all the time. It will turn off automatically below 101% of throttle (correct me if i`m wrong). Use it wisely. Don`t waste it in the climb...K4 climbs very well at 87-90% throttle @270-280 km/h. As a side note...avoid servers with small maps...K4 needs a room.

Cooling...probably more important then anything. The way i do it...after reaching about 5000m i level out, open radiator and fly @300 give or take 60% throttle... for 2-3min. There are few ways to cool it, just experiment with it. One of them in attack mode..throttle zero...vertical dive cools engine nicely.

Prop pitch. I use it on auto most of the time...but...if you need to bail out of unpleasent situation make your self control key.. pitch to 90% and pitch to 100%. Aristo hinted me on that one. But you have to be very carefull with it. You have to find that moment when engine is almost done and can`t pull ya up anymore...that`s where you engage 100%, then as engine starts getting too loud go to Auto or 90% then Auto. The hardes part is not to let engine destroy itself. Do some testing with it...i spend few days and quiet a few engines to find best timings for prop pitch.

And the key thing to learn with late 109`s...well, pretty much with all of them...is spiral climb. I can`t explain it.. i don`t do it by instruments and i can`t tell exact parametrs for it...stop by VFC*HOST and i will gladly show it to you. Very powerfull tool that allows you to move drom defence to offence.

Just my 02c.

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XyZspineZyX
08-26-2003, 11:27 PM
Sharx66 wrote:
-
-
- That's true about the need to throttle back before
- both engaging and disengaging. There's a myth among
- certain users that the 109 have a crappy engine.
- This is caused most of the time by not reducing the
- throttle before engaging or disengage it. The way i
- do it, i quicly pull the the throttle, engage and
- push back full throttle.
-
- Watch out for overheat over 100%. Disengage mw50
- asap when you don't need it anymore and open rad,
- lower throttle/pitch to get the temp down so your
- engine is cold enough to substain MW50@110% longer
- when you'll need it again.
-

Agree 100%!
I just want to add something about radiators and prop pitch:
- Radiators: the more they open, the slower the engine will overheat, but the more the drag: try to find a compromise!
- Prop pitch works MORE OR LESS like a car's gear. 100% corresponds to a low gear, while small percentages to a high one. If you need power, switch prop pitch in order to keep the engine (with full throttle) RPM around max power range (2500 rpm). If you want to use less fuel and cool down, throttle at about 60-70% and keeo at 2000 rpm.
Then practice, practice, practice!

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XyZspineZyX
08-27-2003, 08:22 AM
yup, manual prop pitch to get better climbing cant be underestimated. basically the slower you get climbing the more you increase the pitch. to keep those rpm's up.

i've got my prop pitch mapped to the + and - keys on my keypad, with the * key next to it to switch between auto/manual. since my left hand is on the base of my stick working the throttle slider, its just a pinky away.



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XyZspineZyX
08-27-2003, 09:41 AM
It's weakness is that most of the russians can do the same things you can. The K is very fast, but it takes a good long while to get up to speed. (I personally think it's much too long, but I don't have the data to back it up.) IF you hit the auto level and go full out, you can get around 580 KPH, but you have wait awhile, which is dull.

Now, one of it's best strong points is the dive. You can pick up an awful lot of speed in the dive without coming apart, but I don't recall what it's self destruction speed is. (Anyone know?) I do know it's self destruction speed is much higher then that of the russians.

At altitude you can out dive almost anything. Unfortunitly this isn't as useful as it might be as the russians usually fly rather low and don't come up to play. Those that do are very good. So what you can use it for is to pick up enough speed that you can zoom away after one pass.

The downside is hitting the bloody bugger in one pass is very difficult, so carry the 3 108s so anything you hit is dust. If he is moving at a 90degree angle to you, give him about half a screen lead, depending on distance. This works out for me.

Now, What would really be good to know is the most effecient climb angle. That would be most effectient for gaining altitude without loseing velocity. Anyone got that data???


As to out climbing, this isn't as easy as you think. Most of the russians can follow you through anything if you don't have a lot more then your max airspeed, and if you do get away, they usually manage one single hit, which will invaribly destroy your controls or your oil can.


You biggest advantages are picking up speed in a dive and your huge cannons.

XyZspineZyX
08-27-2003, 12:33 PM
If you have an extra slider, mapping pitch to one is extremely useful. To get a little extra climb/speed, go to manual pitch and keep your RPM below 2800. But beware, you will overheat fast, so you just have to find that sweet spot where the RPM wont overheat you for too long versus the amount of time it's going to take you to extend away from whatever is chasing you. When in doubt, split S and dive. Nothing can catch you except the P47, and if you got one of those on your tail, you better pray you have a good wingman.. LOL http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

As far as the MW50, you should be able to turn it on and leave it on whenever you start the plane on the ground. Just remember that it engages at 101% throttle, and your engine will suffer damage if you try to turn it on at high RPM. The only thing I dont like is you have to look at that crappy text on your screen all the time (Anyone know how to shut that off??)

The best thing to do in a K4 is to fly very high. Get as high as you can and cool off your engine. Use your altitude superiority to gain the "E" you need to B&Z your victim. When coming out of your dive, use gentle stick movements. If you yank on this bird, you will bleed all the energy that you gained in the dive, and when you go for your zoom climb, you will be too slow to get back to a proper height to engage again, and you will be surprised to find out that the hunter (You) have become the hunted as your VVS friend follows you all the way up in your climb. Reserve your MW50 for when you get caught with your pants down. Hammerheads in this plane are wonderful, especially to the right.

Remember this (Which could be said about all German planes, but especially for the later 109's...) Never turn fight. Turn = dead (Period)

The greatest thing about the patch is the simple fact that energy management is once again the most important thing that should be on your mind. Sharp turns = go slower.. go slower = dead (Period)

The K4 is a superb plane and there are a few guys out there that can really fly it well.

XyZspineZyX
08-27-2003, 02:48 PM
Smokin in more ways than one! lol Just needs to be twice as long. Ha. All of that in a K-4?

XyZspineZyX
08-27-2003, 05:33 PM
Yes MW50 enabled at idle and dont turn it off, also watch for engine overheat and use manual prop pitch, (put it on a slider /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif
Also with manual Prop Pitch i noticed you can outrun almost any plane, you have to switch to correct % to accelate faster.
The La7 is in 1.1B an excellent climber (also in RL? I dunno, dont think so /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif ) and is a good match for the K4.
The P47 is even better at high altitudes i think, but once you dive on a P47 its pretty much lost, cause of its poor roll rate /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

XyZspineZyX
08-27-2003, 05:36 PM
For Bf109K-4 pilots..... free chieu hoi, fluttering down upon the occupied soil from beautiful red psyops aircraft.

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Message Edited on 08/27/0304:38PM by Baloban

XyZspineZyX
08-27-2003, 05:39 PM
Crazy Ivan is correct but if you want a High sustained speed use 104% power and Rad at 6.

Also use Auto Prop pitch ALL the time, you will avoid cavatating this way and you will accelerate quikly.

I have testing the K-4 at 6,000 meters and I got 718Kp/h(448.75 mph) out of her in level flight.

XyZspineZyX
08-27-2003, 05:45 PM
JV44Priller wrote:
- Crazy Ivan is correct but if you want a High
- sustained speed use 104% power and Rad at 6.

Hehe... time to relearn, then. I was all used to 103% and rad at #2. Allah forbid you fly a Soviet aircraft and actually make adjustments to go fast http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif ~S!~

XyZspineZyX
08-27-2003, 05:48 PM
JV44Priller wrote:
- Crazy Ivan is correct but if you want a High
- sustained speed use 104% power and Rad at 6.
-
- Also use Auto Prop pitch ALL the time, you will
- avoid cavatating this way and you will accelerate
- quikly.
-
- I have testing the K-4 at 6,000 meters and I got
- 718Kp/h(448.75 mph) out of her in level flight.
-

I didn't tested much after patch but all my racing experience teached me that the only way to get the best of your engine was with manual pitch. Also, before patch, i noticed that you can accelerate much faster in dive with manual pitch by setting it lower than the auto-pitch does. If course, while firing guns or in combat, this is another thing. I usually use auto when preparing for engagement or while fighting. But to cool out engine and keep a good speed, you can exploit more the 109 with manual pitch. All of this is based on my pre-patch experience btw. I didn't tested it too much since patch release since i'm busy mastering the p40e.





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08-27-2003, 05:51 PM
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XyZspineZyX
08-27-2003, 06:51 PM
Have you install the patch?

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XyZspineZyX
08-27-2003, 07:47 PM
RL, the MW50 was limited to ~10 min. use, then 10 min. off (or is it 5 min.) to allow the engine to cool.

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XyZspineZyX
08-27-2003, 09:07 PM
Thanks alot guys... helped alot... /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

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