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Sultan_of_Swing
01-14-2006, 02:17 PM
I know there was a discussion in here about Civ IV. I can't find it, so forgive me for going there again...

I just bought Age of Empires III, looking for an alternative to BF2 and PF. I am, in word: bummed. It's very "ordinary".

Is Civ IV challenging? Interesting?

Thanks.

S!

Sultan_of_Swing
01-14-2006, 02:17 PM
I know there was a discussion in here about Civ IV. I can't find it, so forgive me for going there again...

I just bought Age of Empires III, looking for an alternative to BF2 and PF. I am, in word: bummed. It's very "ordinary".

Is Civ IV challenging? Interesting?

Thanks.

S!

neural_dream
01-14-2006, 02:25 PM
If you aren't a fan it's not interesting. Simple as always. Wrong period to get interested in historical strategy games. None!
You may want to try Hearts of Iron 2 though if you like WW2. It has a very strong online community too and is very challenging.
AoE 3 was a major let down, especially for the fans of 2.

Capt.LoneRanger
01-14-2006, 02:28 PM
Civ IV is very different from AOE.

While AOE is more or less a clone of the common so-called RealTimeStrategy-Game, CivIV is a good old round-based game. And it has a reason: You need to manage and control a lot of things simultaniously, the cities, what the cities produce, how they are connected to other cities, how your units improve the land to get more out of the recources locate within reach of your cities.
On a different level you have to control a very detailed and complex tech-tree. You have to decide if you wish to gain an advantage by economic or agricultural breakthrough or by a military one.
Even more complex is the military and diplomatic system. You usually play against 7 opponents, each with his own strengths and weaknesses, each with an attitude, things he likes and dislikes. You can bribe some, to start a war, others declare war on you, if you try to do so. You have to probe that extremely cautiously, especially if you're not the strongest civilisation on the virtual planet or if your opponent has an alliance with somebody else.

Besides that, every single unit has his own strengths. While you can move quickly with tanks, spies can "buy" cities, by bribing the major to work for you. You can even steal technology, but always coming in danger to be uncovered - then you probably started a war.

CivIV is very complex, more a simulation than a game. Except on minor difficulty settings, you really need to have to work yourself into the game and you need to work out a strategy or you'll be doomed.

I got CivIV the date it was released. For 4 days I was stuck in front of my PC and didn't even scratch the surface. So, be warned - it's highly addictive! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/10.gif

PBNA-Boosher
01-14-2006, 02:34 PM
AoE 3 is fun, but it's missing some MAJOR factors that made AoE II great. I've tried Civ. 3, wasn't so impressed.

neural_dream
01-14-2006, 02:37 PM
Still AoE III is THE best-seller in the UK. How did that happen? Don't people read reviews or ask friends before they buy games? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif

Kuna15
01-14-2006, 02:39 PM
I've tried Civ 3 & 4. Nothing impressive/addictive there for me (4 looks better than 3 IMO).
However Civ 2 was really good game from my PoV and I was quite addicted to that one. Simple with little icons just as I like them to be (old school) http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif.

AoE 2 was a real blast too. Not all is in good graphics...
Didn't played AoE 3 tho.

However Civ 4 doesn't look bad + I didn't spend enough time with that game.

danjama
01-14-2006, 02:39 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by PBNA-Boosher:
AoE 3 is fun, but it's missing some MAJOR factors that made AoE II great. I've tried Civ. 3, wasn't so impressed. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I heard CIV3 was the worst one....

Capt.LoneRanger
01-14-2006, 04:09 PM
Civ3 was bad, indeed. Extreme bugs and most of the innovative additions didn't work. Civ4 is much better and the Devs concentrated more on the features that fans loved in Civ2. I played Civ2 until Civ4 was released.

Game interest differ a lot. Anybody not impressed with Civ4 is simply searching for quick fun and eye candy. Though Civ4 looks way better than any version before, it is still concentrating on gameplay and -depth. Judging Civ4 by graphics or by easy settings is not enough. And you definitely need a LOT of time to work yourself into the game - but you'll be rewarded with an excellent gameplay.

Sultan_of_Swing
01-14-2006, 04:13 PM
Thanks all. Capt.LoneRanger you convinced me. I just ordered Civ IV.

S!

Capt.LoneRanger
01-14-2006, 05:58 PM
If you're interested in these kind of games, it'll be worth the money.

For me, the most convinving this is the ever new setting. While most RTS-games have a campaign set in stone (same maps each time you play a campaign), CivIV is different every time you run the game - that's really what keeps you playing - different resources, different places and possibilities to colonize, different opponents with different traits.

I really hope you'll like it! Drop me a PM, with your opinion, please - oh, and don't forget to download the latest patch (1.52 IIRC).

Sultan_of_Swing
01-14-2006, 06:23 PM
I will PM you when I give it a try.

Thanks again for the help. Very much appreciated.

S!

danjama
01-14-2006, 06:36 PM
So, would any of you recommend Civ.4 to someone completely new to the series and type of game? i have actually been debatin trying it out or quite a while.

neural_dream
01-14-2006, 06:42 PM
Yes, because it's ridiculous that you haven't played any of the best-selling series in the history of gaming.

Although you probably won't like it http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif.

Capt.LoneRanger
01-15-2006, 02:15 AM
Of course! Okay, it DOES help to know what the Civ-Series is about and how it works, but in the end, especially with Civ4 are so many changes, it might be even an advantage NOT to know what the other Civs are like. It really is a big step forward.

The tutorials and tips are very helpfull, though. You are quickly able to control and manage the important functions and gain your first successes. But to really master the game, you need to digg deeper and be ready to invest some time. The possibilities are incredible, but still controlable. You may even install AI-governers to control city funtions and productions, etc, either completeley automatic, by looking what you need most, or by fullfilling your missions (produce more food or concentrate on building units or gaining money for your empire)

VonShlagnoff
01-15-2006, 02:55 AM
If you check out the AOE3 forums they seem to be trying to set up some sort of update/expansion

JG5_UnKle
01-15-2006, 03:47 AM
CivIV is great I'm just finishing my first "Epic" game on the Huge Earth Map vs 18 other Civs! Wow!

I have played all the Civ games from Civ1 (back in the day!) and I can say that for balance the new CivIV is probably the best.

The modding potential is huge
The online community like mods
You can play online
The graphics are better and help the game not hinder it
New game concepts are great (like religion and specialists)
Difficulty is scalable (more than before imho)

Get the Earth Map with 18 Civs here : Civ IV Earth Map with 18 Civs (http://civilization4.filefront.com/file/Earth_map_with_18_Civs;49782)

panther3485
01-15-2006, 04:19 AM
Hi, neural_dream

Quote 1:
"Still AoE III is THE best-seller in the UK. How did that happen? Don't people read reviews or ask friends before they buy games?

My guess is, a heck of a lot of punters would have based the decision on their experiences with AOE 1 & 2 (which are also among my own favourites) and would not have bothered to read up on it too much. I'm also guessing that many of them would be 'Mum, Dad & kids' type customers, rather than 'hard core' games enthusiasts, so wouldn't bother too much with reviews etc. Also, their criteria for what makes a game worth buying and playing may not be the same as yours or mine.


Quote 2:
"Yes, because it's ridiculous that you haven't played any of the best-selling series in the history of gaming. Although you probably won't like it."

I confess, I must include myself in the same category as danjama, having also never played any games in the Civ series. After reading comments on this thread and others, I'm thinking of giving Civ IV a try now.


Best regards,
panther3485