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XyZspineZyX
08-04-2003, 11:20 PM
I've got a HOTAS and rudder pedals so I was thinking: why not try a chopper out? Are there any good simulators out there for this purpose? Should I get FS2004, or a sim just for helicopters? Are there any out there w/ FM as good as IL2? I don't need it to be a combat sim but would prefer that if I could get it.



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XyZspineZyX
08-04-2003, 11:20 PM
I've got a HOTAS and rudder pedals so I was thinking: why not try a chopper out? Are there any good simulators out there for this purpose? Should I get FS2004, or a sim just for helicopters? Are there any out there w/ FM as good as IL2? I don't need it to be a combat sim but would prefer that if I could get it.



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XyZspineZyX
08-04-2003, 11:25 PM
Commanche vs. Hokum is amazing. Dunno if you can still find it easily though, it's 2 years old already (I think).

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XyZspineZyX
08-04-2003, 11:27 PM
go back to basics, desert, jungle, urban, strike, all three if you like.



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XyZspineZyX
08-04-2003, 11:27 PM
FS2004 is great. I also played Apache vs. Hokum, and Gunship! Both are great and retail for $9.99 (AvH packed w/ Mig Alley)

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XyZspineZyX
08-04-2003, 11:30 PM
I enjoy 'Search and Rescue Vietnam Medivac' as well as 'Search and Rescue Coastal Heroes'. Also, X-Plane has a great FM, but don't expect much from the graphics. Fly II has a nice Bell 407 with complete systems modeling.

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XyZspineZyX
08-04-2003, 11:32 PM
If you find one let me know! I keep trying every one that comes down the pike but have yet to find one that I care to spend time with. There is a newer chopper sim by the same company that made the search and rescue games. It had what I considered the right idea..flying skills over smart weapons. You are a Vietnam slick pilot and the fm seems pretty good but the graphics are soso.

I'd kill for IL type graphics..onboard and outside and a fm in a helo sim that took me hours of practice before I dared trying to hit a hot lz! lol.

XyZspineZyX
08-04-2003, 11:32 PM
Did they ever fix Gunship! after it's initial release? When it was first released it was the buggiest, most half completed peice of junk that Hasblo ever put out (and THAT'S saying something for Hasblo considering their other blunders...).

I was looking forward to it until everyone I knew that bought got their money back within days of it's release. I just ignored it after that.

If they did manage to fix it up, I might look into getting it for $9 bucks. It had a lot of potential.


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XyZspineZyX
08-04-2003, 11:38 PM
I have Gunship somewhere, think its 2 and that rocks on later pc's i replayed it and i could not believe how cool it was when a pc could handle it

XyZspineZyX
08-05-2003, 12:18 AM
for flying choppers, i actually like operation flashpoint, its great for low level graphics and its good to fly with a joystick and rudder, but the throttle is in reverse from waht im used to for some readson and i cant seem to change it

XyZspineZyX
08-05-2003, 12:23 AM
NOPE.

Hot Space

XyZspineZyX
08-05-2003, 12:23 AM
OFP ROCKS THE HOUSE!!! WOOO!!!! lol! I wish someone would make a game so you could be in Vietnam, and either a Slick pilot, or a soldier. I can imagine, you're in a squadron of Hueys, speeding fast and low over dense green jungle. Suddenly, it opens up into an elephant-grass field, and the leader radioes to set down. You all turn 180 degrees to slow down, and as you land, your grunts pop out and move around, trying to find online friends. Then, a whole bunch of VC at the end of the forest pop up, guns blazing. Those quick enough hit the prone key, and get down, but several men are hit. You take off, and see one helicopter didn't make it. You go in and out of battle within the next few hours, checking progress and sending in respawned men, while saving hurt ones. Wait...Battlefield" Vietnam is coming out! Whoops!

BTW, Vietnam Med-Evac is great!

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ShadowHawk__
08-05-2003, 12:45 AM
I agree with hot space, there are no good helo sims out there, it's depressing /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

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XyZspineZyX
08-05-2003, 12:52 AM
Yeah, what aonyn said. Those two are great simulations of flying choppers. A little on the boring side after a while though. The best part is they both have free demos floating around.

XyZspineZyX
08-05-2003, 12:55 AM
Thanks for the replies guys. I will be DL some demos and maybe buying that combo pack (the one w/ mig alley) as I've been wanting to fly that one as well. I've seen it before @ Wal-Mart but wondered if it was any good.



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XyZspineZyX
08-05-2003, 12:58 AM
They are calling it OFP2 /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

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XyZspineZyX
08-05-2003, 01:19 AM
Well I tried commanche 4 and it looked like a frickin' FPS. Obviously those people haven't heard about flight models.

Is hokum Vs commanche the same thing?

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XyZspineZyX
08-05-2003, 01:24 AM
Just wanted to add to my post total...and say isnt this off topic? /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

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XyZspineZyX
08-05-2003, 01:27 AM
LWulffe_CR wrote:
- Just wanted to add to my post total...and say isnt
- this off topic?

Still have some work to do don't ya?

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XyZspineZyX
08-05-2003, 04:43 AM
Hokum is very good,it has a real dynamic campaign

XyZspineZyX
08-05-2003, 04:45 AM
Yea they fixed Gunship, great game, plus the graphics aren't all bad for an older game.

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XyZspineZyX
08-05-2003, 04:56 AM
Janes Apache Longbow Gold?

I had Gunship and liked it for being able to fly groups of choppers and running tactics. The Janes seemed to have the edge on details and FM, but that was long ago. Anything with one or more MFD's and I'm out... too many gadgets if you go away for a month and have to retrain!


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XyZspineZyX
08-05-2003, 05:52 AM
OFP is really fun to play as a chopper pilot, but the cockpit and damage models and such are, of course generic because it was'nt meant to be a flight sim. If you could have a really good FM, DM, pit in the OFP terrain and ground unit engine, well you would have a hell of a chopper sim, especially if it were done in the Vietnam era.

XyZspineZyX
08-05-2003, 06:00 AM
nicolas10 wrote:
- Well I tried commanche 4 and it looked like a
- frickin' FPS. Obviously those people haven't heard
- about flight models.
-
- Is hokum Vs commanche the same thing?
-
- Nic

Nope... in fact it's very good. I can't say the same thing about Gunship! though. While the graphics were amazing, the FM was lacking seriously.

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XyZspineZyX
08-05-2003, 06:00 AM
Operation Flashpoint (recommend getting Resistance with it as well).
Enemy Engaged series - Comanche Hokum would be the best.
Comanche Gold - not quite so realistic but a lot of fun!(stay away from Comanche 4)

Those are about the only possible combat helicopter sims I know of. The Enemy Engaged series are a bit hard to find but are usually worth it if you want some real in-depth chopper simming. Comanche Gold is good if you want something pretty realistic, but fun enough that you won't get bored or tired of it. The guys above have already told you enough about OFP.

XyZspineZyX
08-05-2003, 06:56 AM
Yes it is great to fly down low in OFP. It's very hard to fly well though IMO.

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XyZspineZyX
08-05-2003, 07:27 AM
Hokum vs Commanche is very good and the only reason I stopped playing it was I had a problem with either my system or joystick. It worked just fine before I brought a new PC after that I just kept spinning around. Never found anything on the net to fix or explain it.

Still miss it.

XyZspineZyX
08-05-2003, 07:54 AM
I vote OFP as one of the best.

What other chopper sim can you get out of the chopper and start fighting with your AK-47?

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XyZspineZyX
08-05-2003, 08:20 AM
WWMaxGunz wrote:
- Janes Apache Longbow Gold?

will it run on XP? the standard one don't or at least didn't before i consingned it to he great pile of unusable games.

XyZspineZyX
08-05-2003, 03:22 PM
The best combat-helo sim is, for me, Jane's Longbow 2. It had the best multiplay I have seen on a sim, being able to fly 2 players into the same chopper.
Enemy Engaged Comanche vs Hokum is not bad, but not very realistic. But EECH has the source code available to modify and there is some people upgrading it. http://eech.bollocks.net.nz/index.php


And check this site:

http://www.combat-helo.com

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XyZspineZyX
08-05-2003, 03:24 PM
DI Hind, and DI Apache/Jane's Longbow 2 if you don't mind the gyro-stabilization.

That's for flight model. Don't think anything has gotten close in more recent years. As for blowing stuff up, that's very secondary to me.

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XyZspineZyX
08-05-2003, 03:52 PM
If you want a civil chopter, Fly! 2 is great, test it...

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XyZspineZyX
08-05-2003, 03:59 PM
Commanche 4 is fun, lots of action, but admittedly doesn't make much attempt at realism.

I thought Operation Flashpoint was total crap.

XyZspineZyX
08-05-2003, 06:09 PM
I tried to fly the FS2002 Jet Ranger, but never got the hang of it. I kept overcompensating for the torque on landing, on top of dealing with ground effect. I always spin out and crash.

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XyZspineZyX
08-05-2003, 06:27 PM
IF some one would build a Heilo Sim I would buy it as soon as it hit the shelf..

I am very suprised that no one has done a good heilo sim at this time.
The ones that have come out in the past where alright but we need a Helio sim made like Il2. Yea then we would have almost all there is to have fun..

XyZspineZyX
08-05-2003, 06:34 PM
The one real helicopter pilot I met said he couldn't fly the FS2002 Bell either! It is redicuously hard.


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XyZspineZyX
08-05-2003, 07:43 PM
Kefuddle wrote:
- The one real helicopter pilot I met said he couldn't
- fly the FS2002 Bell either! It is redicuously hard.
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- Message Edited on 08/05/03â 06:34PM by Kefuddle


Yea, you can't fly the default bell at 100% realism - the game introduces way-overdone instabilities at that point.

But if you move the realism slider 1 click to the left, IE 99% realism I think you'll find that you can fly it and hover it quite easily.

Also - stick_sensitivity=0 is a friend of any simmers fs2002.cfg

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XyZspineZyX
08-05-2003, 10:05 PM
The helicopter sim you really got to have is EECH. Make sure you get Apache havoc as well since you can import the choppers and campaigns into Comanche vs Hokum and get a whopping 4 of the worlds finest warbirds to fly with. They have also just released the source code free which have really get the series new life.

And the graphics are pretty impressive for a 4 year old game too. They scenery do look a bit cartoony but the cockpits are just awesome on the comanche and Hokum. Way ahead of the time. Got some impressive lightning and weather effects too.

They are easily find for almost nothing at www.xplosiv.net (http://www.xplosiv.net). I got it running fine on win xp with some small tweaks on my 9700 PRO.

XyZspineZyX
08-05-2003, 10:24 PM
You could always try the Desert Combat mod for Battlefield 1942. It's fun to fly the choppers and more than one person can fly in a chopper.

Yes, I know it is an arcade game but I found it harder to fly in Desert Combat than in the Longbow and Comanche series of games.

XyZspineZyX
08-05-2003, 10:41 PM
Hmm....maybe I'll dust off that old copy of Longbow 2
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XyZspineZyX
08-06-2003, 12:28 AM
Do they really qualify as Helicopter sims? Isnâ´t they hard to fly just because they arenâ´t designed for a joystick but more mouse and keyboard?

Falkor_ wrote:
- You could always try the Desert Combat mod for
- Battlefield 1942. It's fun to fly the choppers and
- more than one person can fly in a chopper.
-
- Yes, I know it is an arcade game but I found it
- harder to fly in Desert Combat than in the Longbow
- and Comanche series of games

XyZspineZyX
08-06-2003, 01:06 AM
OFP is good for flying choppers with joystick its made really simple wehn you use keyboard mouse but you have alot mreo freedom with the joystick and rudder, never having flown a helicopter myself it still seems reasonable accurate to fly,

and for the vietnam lustings theres plenty of addons out there for OFP including vietnam terrain and hueys etc try searching for the nam pack 2 ftp://www.gamezone.cz/ofpd/unofaddons/sebnampack2_full.zip

for your downlaod you get everythign a vietnam fan could want! weapons units choppers terrain.....

XyZspineZyX
08-06-2003, 01:30 AM
The throttle is reversed in OFP because the throttle (what is known as the "collective" in a helo) is actually like that in a real helicopter. Push it forward, or down, and it slows the rotar, and you drop. Pull it back, or up, and the rotar spins up faster and you climb.

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XyZspineZyX
08-06-2003, 01:50 AM
Yes but do OP FLASHPOINT, BF 1942 and others really qualify as a Helicopter simulation? Do they simulate how these choppers really fly? Do they really do this better than pure chopper sims like Longbow and EECH and others?

I think he asks for a Helicoper sim not a game with helicopters as flyables.

XyZspineZyX
08-06-2003, 03:34 AM
Kinjin,

With EECH I had a similar problem just floating around all over the place. There was a USB joystick problem fixed with one of the patches which got broken with one of the later patches sorry I don't remember the sequence but I eventually fixed it.

I've just rebuilt my rig and was about to try all the new source code updates.

I'll let you know how things go.

EECH is by far the best helo sim, followed closely by Janes Longbow 2.
If they could make an EECH with IL-2 graphics, the Janes FM and cockpits that would be the helo sim I'd bye in a heart beat.

Rog - out.

ShadowHawk__
08-06-2003, 03:50 AM
Jazz-Man wrote:
- The throttle is reversed in OFP because the throttle
- (what is known as the "collective" in a helo) is
- actually like that in a real helicopter. Push it
- forward, or down, and it slows the rotar, and you
- drop. Pull it back, or up, and the rotar spins up
- faster and you climb.

Actually Jazz, the way the collective works in a helicopter is almost identical to a constant speed prop. The collective increases or decreases the pitch of the blades, the rotor speed does not (or atleast isn't supposed to) change.

There's a new helo "sim" called fair strike in the works. From the looks of its E3 demo it wasn't very impressive, however it was an early build, so I'm not going to judge it too harshly before I see the final product.

Oh, oeqvist, games like OFP can be considered simulators for different reasons than you may think. While the flight models aren't in the slightest bit realistic, the terrain is incredibly detailed, allowing for things like hiding behind trees which isn't usually modeled so well in most helo sims. Also you can be flying troops into a hot combat zone, or evacing them from a combat zone, things again which aren't there in helo sims (except maybe Hind). Overall it can be more immersive and realistic than most helo sims in different ways. It's all how you look at it really.

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XyZspineZyX
08-06-2003, 04:42 AM
Ya get OFP, OFP:Resistance and the latest patch. Btw there are 100's of chopper addons/mods out there.... oh and the sebnam pack rules!

And the best part of OFP is that you can play it on foot:
http://members.rogers.com/bernard1985/images/shoot.jpg

or in the air:
http://members.rogers.com/bernard1985/images/vietnam.jpg

...If you would like to fly some more modern stuff:
http://members.rogers.com/bernard1985/images/heli1.jpg
try this link - (high quality modern addons/choppers for OFP ) http://www.ballistic-studios.com/

Go here for more pictures: http://www.flashpoint1985.com/cgi-bin/ikonboard311/ikonboard.cgi?s=ff62c6d42ac579462bf7cffb32c95cc7;a ct=ST;f=33;t=25234

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