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Kaleun1961
09-15-2005, 10:59 PM
A while back I promised in a discussion with Chrystine to do some research about "foxers" and their deployment in respect to the German acoustic homing torpedoes. Here's a link I found:

http://www.de220.com/Armament/Decoys/Decoys.htm

Hope this explains a few things that arose out of that discussion.

Baldricks_Mate
09-16-2005, 03:35 AM
I'm glad you cleared that up my my wife who was trying to read the post over my shoulder...she ear-bashed me for mistreatment of animals..."how could they do that to foxies?"

They are a breed of dog.

The lengths my family goes to distract me from this game is endless.

Chrystine
09-16-2005, 05:54 AM
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Ausgezeichnet! Und Dank, herr Kaleun!

That€s excellent€¦
Great find and very-interesting read, as well (all of it).

So €" 200 yards €" ca. 182 meters..!
That sounds perfectly reasonable to my thinking, and in which event means my experience as mentioned in the earlier discussion, seems more-improbable that a foxer was responsible for the €˜near-miss.€
Perhaps just a last few-seconds fortuitous change of heading by the targeted DD/DDE caused those near-misses?

..Or €" my estimation of the actual distance(s) is off (which is certainly possible, since I€m pretty inept at that sort of thing). In this case tho€ €" as per the earlier discussion €" I don€t think I€m off by that much tho€, and I seriously doubt what I saw could have been much, if at all, over 100 meters astern.

Many thanks for the link & follow-up!

Best,
~ C.

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Chrystine
09-16-2005, 06:07 AM
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€œ..€˜how could they do that to foxies?€€

http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif ..Cute though €¦

But I do quite like and admire the way the Royal Navy names things (yes, is just my assumption they chose the name for the €˜Foxer,€ but - ) €" the devise was truly cunning, and €˜Foxer€ is so much nicer I think than the Canadian€s €˜CAT.€ http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Poor little kitty€¦ http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Best,
~ C.

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The_Silent_O
09-16-2005, 06:12 AM
What I find interesting is the discussion at the bottom of the website you quote of the destroyer comander who failed to deploy his 'foxer' in hostile waters.

The photo with it is interesting...that much damage from just one TV! (and we wonder why our destroyers go down with one hit)

No attribution to the U-Boat that apparently sunk the USS Block Island (CVE-21) and heavily damaged the USS Barr (DE-576). I wonder who it was...? I'll have to do some research.

Chrystine
09-16-2005, 06:20 AM
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Hi Otto,

Am I missing something here..?

€œNo attribution to the U-Boat that apparently sunk the USS Block Island (CVE-21) and heavily damaged the USS Barr (DE-576). I wonder who it was...?€

€œSuddenly, the carrier was simultaneously struck by two torpedoes launched by U-549, one in the bow and the second in the stern. Before long, a third torpedo hit the Block Island and left her dead in the water and sinking.€

What have I missed..? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Best,
~ C.

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The_Silent_O
09-16-2005, 06:24 AM
ahhh....here's the answer...


The 11 American Atlantic escort carrier task groups sank a total of 53 U-boats and captured 1 in the two year period from May 1943 to the end of the war in Europe, May 1945. One carrier, Block Island, was sunk with the loss of six lives by U-549 which was then itself sunk during the ensuing battle with Block Island's escorts.




From U-boat.net of course U-boat net (http://www.uboat.net/allies/ships/cve_development.htm)

The_Silent_O
09-16-2005, 06:30 AM
Originally posted by Chrystine:
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Hi Otto,

Am I missing something here..?

€œNo attribution to the U-Boat that apparently sunk the USS Block Island (CVE-21) and heavily damaged the USS Barr (DE-576). I wonder who it was...?€

€œSuddenly, the carrier was simultaneously struck by two torpedoes launched by U-549, one in the bow and the second in the stern. Before long, a third torpedo hit the Block Island and left her dead in the water and sinking.€

What have I missed..? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Best,
~ C.

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Just my sleepy head I guess...I missed that, er, thanks for pointing that out...

More (but not much) on U-549 (http://www.uboat.net/boats/u549.htm) a type IXC/40.

Chrystine
09-16-2005, 06:48 AM
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No worries€¦ http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif
..Still slowly nursing my 2nd cup of Java here myself€¦
Thanks for the link to the U-549 at U-Net€¦ I€m not awake enough to have completely shaken the €˜lazies€ yet€¦

Just to ask it too, as you, Kaleun or some other seems likely to know€¦

Is that <span class="ev_code_white">Buckley (DE-51)</span> mentioned in the article, the name-sake of the Buckley Class?

..Also really curious now, what is meant by €œAPD conversion?€

Best,
~ C.

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The_Silent_O
09-16-2005, 07:09 AM
Originally posted by Chrystine:
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No worries€¦ http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif
..Still slowly nursing my 2nd cup of Java here myself€¦
Thanks for the link to the U-549 at U-Net€¦ I€m not awake enough to have completely shaken the €˜lazies€ yet€¦

Just to ask it too, as you, Kaleun or some other seems likely to know€¦

Is that <span class="ev_code_white">Buckley (DE-51)</span> mentioned in the article, the name-sake of the Buckley Class?

..Also really curious now, what is meant by €œAPD conversion?€

Best,
~ C.

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APD - High Speed Transport...I had to look it up myself, but the US Navy's DANFS database is a great reference (DANFS abbreviations (http://www.history.navy.mil/danfs/abbreviations.htm))

Here's information on the Buckley Class, heaviest of the DC built in WWII (GlobalSecurity (http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/ship/de-51.htm))

And a specific history on the USS Buckley (DE-51). DE-51 (http://www.desausa.org/de_photo_library/uss_buckley_de_51.htm) It sank U-66 and got partial credit for another.

Chrystine
09-16-2005, 08:05 AM
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Many thanks, Otto!

Great links & resources€¦
Have them book marked here & am sure my husband will enjoy seeing & having them here as well.

Great brief on the USS Buckley, also €¦

Most grateful -

Best,
~ C.

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