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XyZspineZyX
10-02-2003, 11:58 PM
I hope you don't mind that I brought this from PM to the forums, but it's interesting and it's the only way I could post pictures.

You referred me to this picture:

http://members.cox.net/rowlandparks/error.jpg



The artist has labeled profile #85 as being from the 52nd Sentai. After researching it, I believe the artist is in error.

Here are some tail emblems of similar design:
http://members.cox.net/rowlandparks/52nd.jpg

http://members.cox.net/rowlandparks/102nd.jpg


As you can see, profile #85 appears to be in 4th Chutai/102nd Sentai markings.

Here is an actual plane from the 102nd:
http://members.cox.net/rowlandparks/102nd_photo.jpg


The tail emblems for the 52nd and 102nd Sentais are very close.



BTW, I included tail emblems for the 104th Sentai as well. This was one of the units to face the Soviets in August, 1945. Here is one of their planes:

http://members.cox.net/rowlandparks/104th_photo.jpg



Hope that helps.



Sources:
"Emblems Of The Rising Sun" - Peter Scott/Hikoki
"Ki-84 Hayate" - Bueschel/Schiffer


Regards,

SkyChimp

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Message Edited on 10/03/0303:02AM by SkyChimp

XyZspineZyX
10-02-2003, 11:58 PM
I hope you don't mind that I brought this from PM to the forums, but it's interesting and it's the only way I could post pictures.

You referred me to this picture:

http://members.cox.net/rowlandparks/error.jpg



The artist has labeled profile #85 as being from the 52nd Sentai. After researching it, I believe the artist is in error.

Here are some tail emblems of similar design:
http://members.cox.net/rowlandparks/52nd.jpg

http://members.cox.net/rowlandparks/102nd.jpg


As you can see, profile #85 appears to be in 4th Chutai/102nd Sentai markings.

Here is an actual plane from the 102nd:
http://members.cox.net/rowlandparks/102nd_photo.jpg


The tail emblems for the 52nd and 102nd Sentais are very close.



BTW, I included tail emblems for the 104th Sentai as well. This was one of the units to face the Soviets in August, 1945. Here is one of their planes:

http://members.cox.net/rowlandparks/104th_photo.jpg



Hope that helps.



Sources:
"Emblems Of The Rising Sun" - Peter Scott/Hikoki
"Ki-84 Hayate" - Bueschel/Schiffer


Regards,

SkyChimp

http://members.cox.net/rowlandparks/NAA_logo.jpg


Message Edited on 10/03/0303:02AM by SkyChimp

XyZspineZyX
10-03-2003, 12:10 AM
Hi SkyChimp,

Thank you, that solves that question for me /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

I do have a question about the 3rd scan, it shows blue, white, red and yellow tail markings of the 102 Sentai. If I read it correctly those resemble respectively the 1st, 2nd, 3rd & 4th Chutai?
However, on the picture of the real 102 Sentai Hayate it says that it's a Ki-84 of the first 'company'. Is that the american/english equivalent of a Chutai? If it is, it doesn't look blue to me, so I'm confused there.

P.S. Could you post the full line of what's written below that picture for me? I'm very interested in it.

Thanks again I really appreciate this.

XyZspineZyX
10-03-2003, 12:30 AM
MetalGear_ wrote:

- I do have a question about the 3rd scan, it shows
- blue, white, red and yellow tail markings of the 102
- Sentai. If I read it correctly those resemble
- respectively the 1st, 2nd, 3rd & 4th Chutai?

Yes.




- However, on the picture of the real 102 Sentai
- Hayate it says that it's a Ki-84 of the first
- 'company'. Is that the american/english equivalent
- of a Chutai? If it is, it doesn't look blue to me,
- so I'm confused there.

Doesn't look blue to me either. And while I'm convinced the it's the 102nd Sentai, I'm not convinced that's a picture of a 1st Chutai plane. Unfortunately, there is no way to tell since it's a b/w photo. If the blue paint had oxidized and turned light blue maybe? Just dunno.

I'd go by the color plates.






- P.S. Could you post the full line of what's written
- below that picture for me? I'm very interested in
- it.

It just ends in "...May 1945." The "1945" was the only part cut off.



- Thanks again I really appreciate this.

No sweat. Glad someone else is interested in Japanese planes.



Regards,

SkyChimp

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