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XyZspineZyX
10-29-2003, 09:08 PM
Just wondering if anyone enjoys the rear gunner role.

I never do, because frankly, I don't think I'd be as good as the AI.

If the AI rear gunners were less proficient, do you think that more ppl would hop to the rear seat when threatened?

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XyZspineZyX
10-29-2003, 09:08 PM
Just wondering if anyone enjoys the rear gunner role.

I never do, because frankly, I don't think I'd be as good as the AI.

If the AI rear gunners were less proficient, do you think that more ppl would hop to the rear seat when threatened?

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XyZspineZyX
10-29-2003, 09:13 PM
Online I sometimes play rear gunner, I'm slightly better than AI, and when I'm out of ammo the AI strangely isn't /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

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XyZspineZyX
10-29-2003, 09:23 PM
That's a very good question.

Sometimes I wonder why to spend so much time to model gunner posts, as almost nobody (I can be wrong) uses them!

I would for instance much more have now a flyable Me110 without a gunner post than to wait some months more to have this gunner post finished.

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XyZspineZyX
10-29-2003, 09:38 PM
check out the rear gunner of a d-3 stuka; twin mg`s kick any unsuspecting butt (not saying that i survive either though..). Only use this rear gunner, and only online..

XyZspineZyX
10-29-2003, 09:43 PM
On co-ops I sometimes enjoy flying as gunner, just sit back and enjoy the ride and shoot anything that moves /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

XyZspineZyX
10-30-2003, 02:02 AM
I play gunner as much as I pilot aircraft offline. I will drop the bombs myself, for a challenge; then, I will sit back and let Autopilot do the driving while I take a gunner position (different challenge). Sometimes, if I have not been effective as gunner, and the fighters get through, then I have to get back in the driver's seat because of damage to engines, fires, etc. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

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XyZspineZyX
10-30-2003, 02:15 PM
I fly offline missions as rear gunner sometimes, but it gets frustrating when there's a bandit right on your six that you can't get at without blasting your tail off, and you've no way of telling the pilot to start some evasive manouvres pretty damn sharpish.
Also, when the plane begins to dive alarmingly toward the ground I'm never quite sure if my pilot is attacking something, or is patiently waiting for me to bail out before he does!
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XyZspineZyX
10-30-2003, 02:22 PM
I do, but not in the IL2 when I can. I hate how little it has as an armament! I love being a gunner in a TB3 tho!

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XyZspineZyX
10-30-2003, 02:27 PM
In my "Flights of Fancy" campaign I created a mission where you sit in the nose gunners seat of a TB-3 at night.

What a blast!

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XyZspineZyX
10-30-2003, 03:30 PM
Dunkelgrun wrote:
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- Also, when the plane begins to dive alarmingly
- toward the ground I'm never quite sure if my pilot
- is attacking something, or is patiently waiting for
- me to bail out before he does!
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- Cheers!

Yeah, I'm always ready to jump in the cockpit just because the AI pilots sometimes don't respond well to a crisis situation, such as flying a damaged plane with an engine on fire.

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XyZspineZyX
10-30-2003, 04:01 PM
In coop mission it can be quite fun to be the rear gunner. Gives you a chance to kick back and relax as well. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Sadly coop missions aren't the most popular out there. That's a shame really, they are often much more fun than the furballs on most DF servers.

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XyZspineZyX
10-30-2003, 04:09 PM
Dunkelgrun wrote:

"and you've no way of telling the pilot to start some evasive manouvres pretty damn sharpish."

That's an excellent point! it would be great if there was a "warning" function- you could hit a key to shout "break!" to the pilot for those times when the ennemy fighter is sitting right behind your rudder.

You can use the joystick to control the pilot while using the mouse to control the gunner but it's not the easiest thing (as you have to reverse all the pilot's inputs)... a "break!" command would let you focus 100% on getting that evil bugger of your tail.

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XyZspineZyX
10-30-2003, 09:12 PM
i love to be in a bomber with someone else

the AI are good shots but they dont shoot to kill enuf , they hold back

then again i run my gun outta ammo every coop i do as a gunner .......

XyZspineZyX
10-30-2003, 10:17 PM
I use the gunner position for two purposes:

1. In IL2s and Stukas the rear gun is useful for reverse strafing after a bombing pass. You have to use the zoom view to effectively snipe ground targets, and you need to be climbing. The Ju87D and G especially benefits from the rear guns (which are superior to its forward armament) during strafing attacks. The standard two seat IL2 has an excellent rear gun but not enough ammo. The field mod has an even better rear gun, but unfortunately looks like it will never be playable. Historically, rear gunners in all air forces were encouraged to strafe targets of opportunity.

2. With the He111 I usually fly from the forward gunner position. The view is better for one thing. I have the gunner fire key mapped to a joystick button, so I can maneauver and attack somewhat like a very clumsy fighter. I have shot down a few fighters and shot up a few trucks this way, ususally with the 20mm version. When the Ju88 comes out, I plan on flying from the copilot gunner position.

One thing I would like to see in FB is gunners calling out targets over the intercom.

XyZspineZyX
10-31-2003, 04:55 AM
After quite awhile of flying backwards with one hand on the mouse and the left on the stick it's better. I like to fly nice and straight while in the rear position then when some sucker comes on your six hold your fire and let him come closer thinking you're out of ammo or something then let him have it right in the cockpit glass, shoot at the pilot and not the plane, use the rudder to get the tail out of the way, all fighters use this tactic of sitting in the blind spot, pull up then you have a better down shot at the canopy, always up, sometimes kick in the combat flaps and chop the throttle to suddenly slow down and when he over takes you pull up and let him have it right in the canopy, always the canopy it always works. I tried shooting up planes for weeks and then to my surprise actually took guys out by totally concentrating fire on the canopy. Like the Stukas best, 43 series.

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