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XyZspineZyX
08-17-2003, 10:29 PM
Hi All. I've been playing around with the fw190's since the patch to try to get a handle on their performance. Overall, I think they are much improved since the patch.

I stumbled on a way to have a blast in the QMB.

Make your flight up of 3 or so fw190 A-9 1944 and give them the mk103 gunpods. (not the 108's)

set up an enemy flight of 16 soviet pe8 bombers with 5000 pound bombs in em.

set the mission at 3000 meters over smolensk or crimea and attack them.

Wow, if this is realistic, then I don't know how any bombers crews ever survived. With myself and two wingmen we can take out the whole batch (with ammo unlimited of course.) the mk103 are amazing at ripping bombers apart and it is the most fun I've had with this game since I got it. The best part is, if you hit one just right that fat payload of bombs goes off and takes out the whole formation!!! amazing visual sight to say the least. the graphic depiction of damage seems to be much improved in the patched version. you can see every round hit the target and start to strip it apart. Amazing. I have generated 60 or so tracks with some of the best footage.

Even with the bomber ai jacked up to ace, they are sitting ducks.

The FW190 is definately a bomber killer especially with the wing mounted cannon pods. I wish the mission generator had more purpose oriented missions for this plane as it would be a blast to go up against a huge formation of bombers mission after mission.

Overall: Small bugs aside the Patch is great except for the sound deadening bug which creeps up now and again and ruins otherwise amazing sound effects. It would be nice if the sound in the cockpit fluctuated a bit more during dives and rolls instead of the steady drone. The sound changes a lot in the external views during dives and really adds to the theatrics of the footage. Especially the high pitched scream in dives.

This game is very cool indeed.

P.s. Anyone know how to change the view in tracks immediatly to the plane you are shooting at to watch the damage without cycling through all the enemies including the poor buggers in parachutes? This would make building ntrk files much nicer. A rewind function would be cool too. (now im starting to dream here.)

Cheers all

XyZspineZyX
08-17-2003, 10:29 PM
Hi All. I've been playing around with the fw190's since the patch to try to get a handle on their performance. Overall, I think they are much improved since the patch.

I stumbled on a way to have a blast in the QMB.

Make your flight up of 3 or so fw190 A-9 1944 and give them the mk103 gunpods. (not the 108's)

set up an enemy flight of 16 soviet pe8 bombers with 5000 pound bombs in em.

set the mission at 3000 meters over smolensk or crimea and attack them.

Wow, if this is realistic, then I don't know how any bombers crews ever survived. With myself and two wingmen we can take out the whole batch (with ammo unlimited of course.) the mk103 are amazing at ripping bombers apart and it is the most fun I've had with this game since I got it. The best part is, if you hit one just right that fat payload of bombs goes off and takes out the whole formation!!! amazing visual sight to say the least. the graphic depiction of damage seems to be much improved in the patched version. you can see every round hit the target and start to strip it apart. Amazing. I have generated 60 or so tracks with some of the best footage.

Even with the bomber ai jacked up to ace, they are sitting ducks.

The FW190 is definately a bomber killer especially with the wing mounted cannon pods. I wish the mission generator had more purpose oriented missions for this plane as it would be a blast to go up against a huge formation of bombers mission after mission.

Overall: Small bugs aside the Patch is great except for the sound deadening bug which creeps up now and again and ruins otherwise amazing sound effects. It would be nice if the sound in the cockpit fluctuated a bit more during dives and rolls instead of the steady drone. The sound changes a lot in the external views during dives and really adds to the theatrics of the footage. Especially the high pitched scream in dives.

This game is very cool indeed.

P.s. Anyone know how to change the view in tracks immediatly to the plane you are shooting at to watch the damage without cycling through all the enemies including the poor buggers in parachutes? This would make building ntrk files much nicer. A rewind function would be cool too. (now im starting to dream here.)

Cheers all

XyZspineZyX
08-17-2003, 10:46 PM
Hmmm...

unlimited ammo...

sitting ducks...

sounds a lot like a "Castle Wolfenstein-type" FPS, or arcade game to me....just my humble opinion.

to each is own, of course... /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

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XyZspineZyX
08-17-2003, 11:05 PM
FW190 has very strong armament even with default orinance.
You asek how any of the bomber crews survived? Well AFAIK, only the US and Brits sended massive bomber formation, and usualy there were hundreds of B-17, B-24, with many, many fighters as escort.
Imagine you comanded a flight of 8 FW, and let's say you weren't bothered by any escort.,,, you thing was easy to go tru hundreds, thousand mg's shooting at you and your teammates???
So it was't that esy as it may seem. Remember FB is a game, not RL. and no game will ever be as accurate as the real life until(and hope will never happen) if you die in the game, you die FOREVER... Brrr frightneing...

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XyZspineZyX
08-17-2003, 11:12 PM
polspc wrote inexplicably:


Wow, if this is realistic, then I don't know how any bombers crews ever survived. With myself and two wingmen we can take out the whole batch (with ammo unlimited of course.) the mk103 are amazing at ripping bombers apart and it is the most fun I've had with this game since I got it.
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Er... I don`t get it. You say if this is realistic, but you also said you attcked with UNLIMITED ammo. If so, what do you expect? It means almost nothing and it certainly is not realistic. What you should do is go again with LIMITED AMMO, then tell us how it went...



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XyZspineZyX
08-17-2003, 11:33 PM
Wow! relax guys! just having some fun with the game. Not making any political statements about the war or bombing campaigns or historical accuracy or any of that stuff. Mainly just was looking to get some good trk footage. It's a video game and it's very fun. Mission accomplished.

I see so many people bashing the game and the patch for technical shortcomings and fm's etc, I just thought I'd post something good about it here. Nothing more.

XyZspineZyX
08-17-2003, 11:41 PM
polspc wrote:
- Wow, if this is realistic, then I don't know how any
- bombers crews ever survived

polspc then wrote:
- Not making any political statements about the
- war or bombing campaigns or historical accuracy

I believe that's where the source of the confusion lies.

XyZspineZyX
08-17-2003, 11:46 PM
really dudes, lighten up. the poor guy just wanted to have some good, cheap fun and you shot him down faster then anything i've seen before. *dope-slap* *dope-slap*
*dope-slap*

yoyoyo, the not-so-deadly flying pig

XyZspineZyX
08-18-2003, 12:07 AM
Since you can only get formations of 4 bombers max in QMB, it's not really that surprising that they are sitting ducks. Give yourself limited ammo and fill all the other enemy slots with escort fighters then tell us if you still think it is easy.

XyZspineZyX
08-18-2003, 12:20 AM
Now master the FMB and create massive bomber formations with higher friendly fighters in escort.

Increase the size of aircraft untill you are at the very limits of ram (thank you for over a gig) and then let rip.

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Message Edited on 08/18/0312:21AM by SmokeJaguar

XyZspineZyX
08-18-2003, 12:25 AM
I think he means "If it's realistic that bombs go off when hit by gunfire." Actually, They very well might not...

XyZspineZyX
08-18-2003, 01:06 AM
As the man said 'lighten up' the poster of this original thread summed up its purpose in the title "serious fun" the only figure of speach slightly out of place was the section all of you lovely charming people have attacked him for. I never post on here but the arrogance and idiocy of you bunch of armchair anarchists amazes me. YOU ARE PLAYING A GAME it is not ww2, you are not veterans and have not developed all encompassing knowledge by playing this game and seeing the movie "633 squadron" 3 times. The insult and splitting of hairs says more about the sniper than his victim.

XyZspineZyX
08-18-2003, 01:45 AM
With limited ammo and full real the A9 is a killer. One plane can take down at least 8 bombers. Just stay verry fast.
polspc wrote:
- Hi All. I've been playing around with the fw190's
- since the patch to try to get a handle on their
- performance. Overall, I think they are much
- improved since the patch.
-
- I stumbled on a way to have a blast in the QMB.
-
- Make your flight up of 3 or so fw190 A-9 1944 and
- give them the mk103 gunpods. (not the 108's)
-
- set up an enemy flight of 16 soviet pe8 bombers with
- 5000 pound bombs in em.
-
- set the mission at 3000 meters over smolensk or
- crimea and attack them.
-
- Wow, if this is realistic, then I don't know how any
- bombers crews ever survived. With myself and two
- wingmen we can take out the whole batch (with ammo
- unlimited of course.) the mk103 are amazing at
- ripping bombers apart and it is the most fun I've
- had with this game since I got it. The best part
- is, if you hit one just right that fat payload of
- bombs goes off and takes out the whole formation!!!
- amazing visual sight to say the least. the graphic
- depiction of damage seems to be much improved in the
- patched version. you can see every round hit the
- target and start to strip it apart. Amazing. I
- have generated 60 or so tracks with some of the best
- footage.
-
- Even with the bomber ai jacked up to ace, they are
- sitting ducks.
-
- The FW190 is definately a bomber killer especially
- with the wing mounted cannon pods. I wish the
- mission generator had more purpose oriented missions
- for this plane as it would be a blast to go up
- against a huge formation of bombers mission after
- mission.
-
- Overall: Small bugs aside the Patch is great except
- for the sound deadening bug which creeps up now and
- again and ruins otherwise amazing sound effects. It
- would be nice if the sound in the cockpit fluctuated
- a bit more during dives and rolls instead of the
- steady drone. The sound changes a lot in the
- external views during dives and really adds to the
- theatrics of the footage. Especially the high
- pitched scream in dives.
-
- This game is very cool indeed.
-
- P.s. Anyone know how to change the view in tracks
- immediatly to the plane you are shooting at to watch
- the damage without cycling through all the enemies
- including the poor buggers in parachutes? This
- would make building ntrk files much nicer. A rewind
- function would be cool too. (now im starting to
- dream here.)
-
- Cheers all
-
-

XyZspineZyX
08-18-2003, 01:56 AM
To answer your QUESTION, which no one else wanted to, - while you are re-recording your track with new views, pause the game while you are changing the camera.

You can then cycle to the plane you want to show without seeing intermediate planes, and you can switch between shots without the slight jitter in mouse movement when panning the camera manually.

XyZspineZyX
08-18-2003, 02:14 AM
I don't think anyone Jumped on this...it was the Mix of "If this is realistic" versus "Unlimited Ammo" versus the true "Historical reality".

The beauty of Oleg's IL2 and IL2:FB, and his upcoming Flight/Combat Simulation products is precisely that they ARE historically accurate: simulations, not merely games.

Microsoft sells games.

In a year or three, an Oleg product built for the Then-State-of-the-Art computer System may be able to give us, say, 100 B17's in the 3d Box formations from historical tactics, along with,say,200 P51 and P38 escort fighters. Then, with realistic (not Unlimited) ammo loads, one will be able to build a mission in which such a "SMALL" attacking force is met by only a single formation of Four Fw190's and/or an Me262 and his Single wingman!!

Now, THAT will give one an idea of what was historically the reality!

As I said earlier, to each his own. Crank the Difficulty options in FB down to "EASY" and it is, for those who want it, I am sure, definitely one heck of a Fantastic Game.

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XyZspineZyX
08-18-2003, 02:45 AM
Easy is LAME/i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif (unless you're a two-days-long FB player)/i/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif

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XyZspineZyX
08-18-2003, 02:47 AM
Glad to hear you are having fun polspc!! That's what a $40 game/sim and free patch should be about. This forum is getting more anal every time I visit it (used to get some good info here but it has turned into an ego fest...gets really tiring and boring fast)...lots of armchair pilot wannabees, and I'll guarantee 99.9 percent of everyone using this sim has never flown a WW2 aircraft (nor prob could!). I am having alot of fun with the FB game/sim, and guess what?.......I have a life outside of FB!

mucker

XyZspineZyX
08-18-2003, 03:03 AM
Well FB can be of two different kinds: Funny(like teddy bears) when you play with all realisn setings off, and Chalengeing"funny"(like having fun when you win something after a competition) when you play with all(or almost all) realism settings on.
Each kind has his particularities and satisfactions.
Each kind is the best only for ppl that like that kind.
So afterall, each choice depends of what tipe of game you like to play.
BTW mucker, have you ever flown an ww2 AC?
If yes, wich one?
I rest my case.

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XyZspineZyX
08-18-2003, 03:23 AM
guy's just having alitte fun, no need to attack him

XyZspineZyX
08-18-2003, 03:30 AM
Hell no Zero and I bet you haven't either. You are right, different strokes for different folks. Poor polspc was just trying to convey an exciting experience he had. nothing more! I was happy for him when I was reading it. Then came the replys, which were COARSE and insensitive, the point completely missed. Like I said, people are taking this game way too seriously and expressing it in a much to anal way. It's rather comical to see a game reduce grown men to the elementary level. Kind of like Miss USA throwing a fit because her Barby dolls hair was too long...it is way too funny...and I rest my case....

mucker



Message Edited on 08/18/0304:32AM by mucker

XyZspineZyX
08-18-2003, 05:06 AM
This is just great! The last, best kept secret of WW II just got leaked. Now everyone will know why the US fighters ruled the skies over Germany late in the war. P-51 and P-47 pilots found the unlimited ammo switch on August 17th, 1944 and turned it on. This is the REAL reason the P-51 shot down so many German planes and the P-47 destroyed so many tanks. The Escape and Refly buttons were found in early September and by the end of October the US had sent home all but one squadron of each plane. The fighters jocks were so secretive about this that they didn't tell anyone about it; not the Russians, not the Brits and not even the B-17 and B-24 pilots!

They knew if they had told the bomber pilots the war would would have been over in a day or two. Bomber Command would have just lined up bombers in a straight line north to south and each plane would have started dropping bombs as soon as they crossed enemy lines and not stopped until they got to the Eastern Front.

Seriously, I flip on the unlimited ammo option once in a while too. I love to hop in a Hurricane and blast three or four Zwillings towing gliders or fly a Sturmovik over an entire Panzer Corp and leave nothing but burning wrecks on the field.

Most of the time I try to fly as realistic as I can, especially in the campaigns. But I have to say that no one should judge anyone else on how they play the game. You bought the game, its yours to do with as you please. Have fun.

XyZspineZyX
08-18-2003, 05:50 AM
Interisting tidbit, I hear that US bombers shot down more germans then US fighters.

XyZspineZyX
08-18-2003, 06:28 AM
"I don't know how any bombers crews ever survived"

Umm, pols, yeah. In real life (uh, dude, I might have to check on this) I don't think they had "unlimited ammo".

XyZspineZyX
08-18-2003, 12:02 PM
Course not.

But they did have patience, and spiffy air to air rockets. Two big tactics the huns used was a full-power, almost verticle, dive from high above, Which presented a huge target for those heavy cannon,


And secondly, to hang behind the bombers (out of range) and fire very large time fused rockets into the formations.

XyZspineZyX
08-18-2003, 01:28 PM
ROFL! /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif
That's too funny man! Some good historical facts there /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Zeus-cat wrote:
- This is just great! The last, best kept secret of
- WW II just got leaked. Now everyone will know why
- the US fighters ruled the skies over Germany late in
- the war. P-51 and P-47 pilots found the unlimited
- ammo switch on August 17th, 1944 and turned it on.
- This is the REAL reason the P-51 shot down so many
- German planes and the P-47 destroyed so many tanks.
- The Escape and Refly buttons were found in early
- September and by the end of October the US had sent
- home all but one squadron of each plane. The
- fighters jocks were so secretive about this that
- they didn't tell anyone about it; not the Russians,
- not the Brits and not even the B-17 and B-24 pilots!
-
- They knew if they had told the bomber pilots the war
- would would have been over in a day or two. Bomber
- Command would have just lined up bombers in a
- straight line north to south and each plane would
- have started dropping bombs as soon as they crossed
- enemy lines and not stopped until they got to the
- Eastern Front.
-
- Seriously, I flip on the unlimited ammo option once
- in a while too. I love to hop in a Hurricane and
- blast three or four Zwillings towing gliders or fly
- a Sturmovik over an entire Panzer Corp and leave
- nothing but burning wrecks on the field.
-
- Most of the time I try to fly as realistic as I can,
- especially in the campaigns. But I have to say that
- no one should judge anyone else on how they play the
- game. You bought the game, its yours to do with as
- you please. Have fun.
-
-