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XyZspineZyX
06-30-2003, 06:43 PM
I like DF Rooms but dang Need something to Balance my Flight time I alwayes Looked foward too Flying 2 or 3 coops a day Now Im lucky to get in 1 a month!!!

Is it the Lag Issue or What ??

Why is Coop Dead & will it ever make a Comeback ?

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XyZspineZyX
06-30-2003, 06:43 PM
I like DF Rooms but dang Need something to Balance my Flight time I alwayes Looked foward too Flying 2 or 3 coops a day Now Im lucky to get in 1 a month!!!

Is it the Lag Issue or What ??

Why is Coop Dead & will it ever make a Comeback ?

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XyZspineZyX
06-30-2003, 07:07 PM
You gonna wait another 5 months??? /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif

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XyZspineZyX
06-30-2003, 07:33 PM
I've been disappointed with the lack of COOPs as well. Chaser sums it up in the following thread nicely...


http://oldsite.simhq.com/simhq3/sims/boards/bbs/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=98;t=001650


I hope some or all of these issues are addressed and the COOP makes a comeback.



DxyFlyr

The_Blue_Devil
06-30-2003, 07:34 PM
Do you fly on hyper or UBI..you can'ty throw a rock without hitting someone in a coop on hyper.

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XyZspineZyX
06-30-2003, 07:40 PM
..... as long as your squad takes part in one of the "on-line wars".

If not ... well.

The more active and interested parties of the past have left to greener grounds.

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The_Blue_Devil
06-30-2003, 09:07 PM
ICAG_Snip wrote:
- ..... as long as your squad takes part in one of the
- "on-line wars".
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- If not ... well.
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-- Cheers
- Snip
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Not true at all..Hanger is forever hosting an open coop..his missions are amongst the best. Others also host open co-ops as well I just don't fly those because my squad usually hosts coops as well.

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XyZspineZyX
07-01-2003, 02:25 AM
We do coops everytime we get together on HL...very often with the 361st. That is one of my favorite things about IL2 & FB...coops are so much fun and add another dimension to the game. Not like the multiswap fiasco with CFS or brunhost which wasnt bafd but still wasnt like a coop.

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XyZspineZyX
07-01-2003, 10:12 PM
Whaaaaat? Can't throw a rock without hitting a Coop?

I must be in a different Hyperlobby. If you're waiting to fly (or host) a Coop, even on a weekend, you better hope there's a good baseball game on TV to watch while you pass the time.

The decline of Coops in HL has been very dramatic and very sad (to me, at least). And I can't explain it.

Greener pastures? What greener pastures? The online wars existed before and Coops thrived. I think some Coop players got burned out on IL-2/FB and moved on to another game. A lot of familiar names aren't around any more. My attention span on a sim is about two years. So, I suspect, some just moved on to another game or another hobby. But there are still a lot of veteran Coop players in the lobby and they aren't flying Coops. I don't understand.

Lag is a problem. There are so many great custom skins (and the default skins are so ugly) but you can't use them because they increase lag. But lag is a problem in DF and VOW as well and people fly 'em in droves.

The cache coding is a problem. But the best mission builders -- Hangar and Metlushko particularly -- put their missions up on their web sites for anyone to downloadv for free. So that's not really the reason.

My theory -- and it's just a theory -- is this: Coops are unpopular because they place more emphasis on historical accuracy and less on racking up big individual scores.

I saw the same thing in WarBirds and Dawn of Aces: Everyone was in the "Main Arena," which is a sort of endless DF arena in which you can fly anything. Very little teamwork (just like VOW and VEF) and an emphasis on score whoring (like DF arenas and VOW/VEF which keep running scoreboards).

Attempts were made in both games to create historical battles. I wrote several for the South Pacific and I notice some are still being used even though I haven't played WarBirds for more than a year.

But they were poorly attended. And they were only flown a few times a week.

Both WB and DoA have "historical arenas" with correct plane sets and full real flying. They were empty 99 percent of the times. Not enough instant gratification.

Most player's couldn't care less about historical accuracy and well written missions. They want action and they want an onging scorecard. And that's fine, it's not a dig at them. After all, a majority of the great unwashed voted for George W. Bush, too (maybe, we'll never know about Florida).

Coop players are a niche group within a niche group (combat flight sims). That makes Coops vulnerable.

But, to me, they're still the best game in town.

S!

ttt





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XyZspineZyX
07-04-2003, 04:05 AM
Well I must be flying @ the wrong times Wich is early in the Morning & late @ night weekdayes

& anytime on weekends But I dont see many Coops At all least none I can Join without Massive Ping & im not joining thoes just to ruin there coop & lag it all to heck with 800/900 ping

In Il2 I used to be able to get online & in 5/15 minuts
Id be In a solid Coop server with 80 too 200 ping & dam fine Missions and even refly with the same host repetedly

Na coop is LOOKING Dead & thats realy taken about 70% of the Fun out of flying online


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Message Edited on 07/03/03 09:17PM by Locust_161st

Message Edited on 07/03/0309:18PM by Locust_161st

XyZspineZyX
07-04-2003, 09:55 AM
Look, half of the problem is that coops have been taken off the front page of Hyperlobby. Out of sight, out of mind. Put them back and coops will be a lot more common.

XyZspineZyX
07-04-2003, 12:04 PM
I love coops, but I hardly ever find any at HL. It's all DF's. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

And I got a favourite coop peevee: Most coops are with external view off, so when you get shot down, you can't view any of the action, so people tend to quit immediately after they die.

Wouldn't it be a nice little addition to FB if external view always was on for "dead" pilots? Let's just call it angel view /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

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XyZspineZyX
07-04-2003, 01:18 PM
Try VOW. It's like COOP, but against Human opponents on Full real server.

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XyZspineZyX
07-04-2003, 02:18 PM
Have you heard the song "Video killed the radio star"?

Well, scripted servers killed the Co-ops. That and Hyperlobby moving them to a separate page from the main.

They sucked anyway. Too much waiting for too little action.

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XyZspineZyX
07-04-2003, 02:47 PM
we need patch fast!

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XyZspineZyX
07-04-2003, 02:51 PM
To fix lag so we can fly coops

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fluke39
07-04-2003, 02:56 PM
i have never heard of this 'Will Coop'
and why will he be making a comeback after the patch - is he a retired comedian or something?


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XyZspineZyX
07-04-2003, 05:39 PM
I'd have to agree i make coops of my own but like you said when i go to the hyperlobby with out the intention of hosting, i forget to even check the coop page. Maybe it's from checking and never seeing anything there, or one already in progress.

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XyZspineZyX
07-04-2003, 05:44 PM
I blame it on Hyperlobby.

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XyZspineZyX
07-04-2003, 06:15 PM
I agree it sucks that there are no coops anymore. I did two since I have FB, and there never seems to be any going at any given moment;

I think the fact that they're now on a different page than dogfights on HL may be one of the reasons there are none anyore.

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XyZspineZyX
07-06-2003, 09:15 AM
Lmao Ray yer a Moron

Obvousley you never joined a good Coop, Theres plenty of action is a well made coop


Im not down for flying 1000000000 Miles too encounter a bombing target either Ray

There are some very good Coop makers

Cossak Is one of them wish coop would come back soon

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XyZspineZyX
07-06-2003, 09:17 AM
Vipez for the most part the coops ive flown in the past are Mostly Human v human with few Ai or none @ all

VOW im sure is great but thoes bastads wont never let me join a flight http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

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Message Edited on 07/06/0302:18AM by Locust_161st

XyZspineZyX
07-06-2003, 10:56 AM
Totally agreeing with RBJ : The new interface of HL with a separate page for coops is really not a good thing, and not at all pratical.
I've been playing 2 or 3 coops a day with IL-2. With FB, i didn't play a single game since a month, at least. Only DF or solo.
I'm based in europe.