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Bearcat99
11-27-2007, 09:53 AM
I watched Razor over the weekend... not bad.. not great.. but everytime I watch those combat scenes in BSG it always gets me how much they took from current and past air combat stuff. Listening to the combat scenes is like a lesson Brevity Code. I like that show because basically it is a carrier in space... with a lot of emphasis on the carrier part, but subtle.. If you weren't into things like that you wouldn't realize how accurate a lot of that show is. The fact that they don't have things like shields and phasers etc... not to mention that kicking warrior drum soundtrack they use also helps a lot. I wonder if we will ever see any more TV series like 12 O'Clock High or Black Sheep Squadron... I think that would actually be a great idea if they ran it as a limited series.. say like working the show from the ground up for a 4 or 5 year run.

berg417448
11-27-2007, 10:20 AM
I really like BSG.

The real shame is that a lot of really good scenes got cut for broadcast time restraints. To see the deleted scenes that put a lot of things in context, you have to buy the Razor DVD.

Bearcat99
11-27-2007, 10:23 AM
Rgr.. but now I know why Kane was so hard on 6... No pun intended.. LOL.

berg417448
11-27-2007, 10:38 AM
Some of the deleted scenes help the viewer out with a better explained source of Cain's motivation. Basically, severe childhood trauma at the hands of the Cylons.

nickdanger3
11-27-2007, 10:39 AM
I heard that the producers knew that they wouldn't have a big budget so they'd have to focus on characters and stories, rather than cool special effects and awesome sets.

Man did a limited budget pay off. Excellent show.

waffen-79
11-27-2007, 10:43 AM
Cain's role was superb, she only did the right thing to do, save the pegasus at all costs

Also that Asian girl was hawt!

crucislancer
11-27-2007, 10:48 AM
I really enjoyed Razor. Can't wait for season 4 to start. I'll be sure to pick up the DVD for Razor when it comes out.

That is one of the things that I enjoy about BSG, the fact that it's not as fantasy as the original. The space combat is usually my favorite part. I think Hand of God from Season 1 is my favorite just for that.

BSS_CUDA
11-27-2007, 11:07 AM
I've got to ask, exactly what was the point of letting us know they were lovers??????? what bearing did it have to the story line?????

Jagdgeschwader2
11-27-2007, 11:50 AM
Originally posted by BSS_CUDA:
I've got to ask, exactly what was the point of letting us know they were lovers??????? what bearing did it have to the story line?????

I think it was the typical way for the networks to produce a buzz. Everyone will be talking about that and perhaps they will draw in more viewers out of curiosity. I liked the show,but I like the old school Cylons better. The CGI ones look a bit funny. It was the first time I've watched any of the new Battle Star Galactica series and I did find it very interesting. I think I will be a regular viewer.

http://home.earthlink.net/~jagdgeschwader26/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/jagdgeschwader2s3.jpg

DuxCorvan
11-27-2007, 12:00 PM
They'll never give us a good WW2 air combat series because they need "action chicks" to share the action scenes and create modern-taste romance storylines. The only serious modern series about WW2 action was "Band of Brothers", and it was just because of the D-Day anniversary boom.

I'd love a series about a bomber, fighter or carrier squadron, but I'm afraid the screenplay writers would get soon short on ideas, unable to implement the overcomplex short of plots that are in vogue these days. Or even worse, they would 'force' unnatural, unhistorical situations, characters and plots inside the series to make it more appealing for the common viewer.

What I'd hate most is a series that shows 'exemplary' stories with ethic PC 'lessons' in every episode, and we have to watch one about loss, one about cruelty, one about racism, one about jealousy, etc, etc. That is a boooooring, unimmersive, approach.

BTW, the idiots in Universal did spoil the series first season DVDs here in Spain... They... (sigh)...PAN-SCANNED the whole season.

Now I have to get it in the UK.

berg417448
11-27-2007, 12:09 PM
Originally posted by BSS_CUDA:
I've got to ask, exactly what was the point of letting us know they were lovers??????? what bearing did it have to the story line?????

Part of it was about explaining some of the motivation for her extreme actions afterward. Finding out that her lover was a cylon..an enemy...That someone who she had held so closely had betrayed her. She didn't want just to beat the Cylons now....she wanted personal revenge and it clouded her judgment.


That and movie makers think lesbians are always hot!

crucislancer
11-27-2007, 12:13 PM
Originally posted by Jagdgeschwader2:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by BSS_CUDA:
I've got to ask, exactly what was the point of letting us know they were lovers??????? what bearing did it have to the story line?????

I think it was the typical way for the networks to produce a buzz. Everyone will be talking about that and perhaps they will draw in more viewers out of curiosity. I liked the show,but I like the old school Cylons better. The CGI ones look a bit funny. It was the first time I've watched any of the new Battle Star Galactica series and I did find it very interesting. I think I will be a regular viewer.

http://home.earthlink.net/~jagdgeschwader26/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/jagdgeschwader2s3.jpg </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Always nice to hear someone else has started to watch the show. My bandmates and most of our extended friends are die-hard fans. If someone misses an episode, there is a gag order during rehearsal until everyone catches up.

I think the bit with Kain and 6 was not only a way to produce some buzz, but also one of the hallmarks of the series IMHO: Drama. Having that is what makes it more then just another sci fi show, and perhaps why it's so popular. It helps flesh out the characters, so they are more then just a pilot or a commander or what not. YMMV, though.

It's a pretty dark show, and that's important as well. I mean, it can't be totally cheery considering what they went through. Though Baltar makes for some good comic relief, particularly during the first season.

Hopefully the WGA strike will let up soon, and they can finish up producing season 4. I guess they have about half of the episodes done so far.

BOA_Allmenroder
11-27-2007, 12:18 PM
Originally posted by BSS_CUDA:
I've got to ask, exactly what was the point of letting us know they were lovers??????? what bearing did it have to the story line?????

The potential for watching hot lesbian sex had many 14-25 year old males watching, that's why! http://media.ubi.com/us/forum_images/gf-glomp.gif

crucislancer
11-27-2007, 12:28 PM
Originally posted by BOA_Allmenroder:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by BSS_CUDA:
I've got to ask, exactly what was the point of letting us know they were lovers??????? what bearing did it have to the story line?????

The potential for watching hot lesbian sex had many 14-25 year old males watching, that's why! http://media.ubi.com/us/forum_images/gf-glomp.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

It has 35-year olds watching, too! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/winky.gif

TheGozr
11-27-2007, 12:42 PM
DuxCorvan
A good ww2 russian movies where some women flying is very possible http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif ...

Wepps
11-27-2007, 12:50 PM
What always got me about Galactica in both series is that...there are never any escorts, past or present.

Apparently the ships could stand alone and required none. Even though it's plainly obvious that many of their problems in combat would have been solved with the Task Force mentality, and therefore likely would have developed into that over time.

Divine-Wind
11-27-2007, 12:52 PM
Originally posted by TheGozr:
DuxCorvan
A good ww2 russian movies where some women flying is very possible http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif
Yeah but then you'd get Lilya Litvyak and a fellow pilot getting it on in a Sturmovik. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif

BaronUnderpants
11-27-2007, 01:13 PM
Good show. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

Introt with the "music" is cool.


Cant for the life of me understand why it has been degraded to sunday nights at 00.10 AM here. ( 3:rd season i think ) They just escaped from Cylons and New Caprica.

waffen-79
11-27-2007, 01:13 PM
Originally posted by BOA_Allmenroder:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by BSS_CUDA:
I've got to ask, exactly what was the point of letting us know they were lovers??????? what bearing did it have to the story line?????

The potential for watching hot lesbian sex had many 14-25 year old males watching, that's why! http://media.ubi.com/us/forum_images/gf-glomp.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/agreepost.gif

amen, AMEN

jolly_magpie
11-27-2007, 01:16 PM
BSG Roolz. When the Pegasus was destroyed I got off the couch and cheered!!! What an amazing moment...the flight bay taking out the second base star was gravy on gravy.

berg417448
11-27-2007, 01:18 PM
Originally posted by Wepps:
What always got me about Galactica in both series is that...there are never any escorts, past or present.

Apparently the ships could stand alone and required none. Even though it's plainly obvious that many of their problems in combat would have been solved with the Task Force mentality, and therefore likely would have developed into that over time.

At the time of the Cylon attack, the Colonial Fleet included approximately 120 battlestars, and thousands of smaller vessels. The show's writers have never specified exactly what type of ships those smaller ones were so we are left to speculate. Each Battlestar was apparently assigned to a Battlestar Group...the Galactica was part of the 75th Battlestar Group (BSG-75).

willyvic
11-27-2007, 01:29 PM
Originally posted by Bearcat99:
... I like that show because basically it is a carrier in space... I wonder if we will ever see any more TV series like 12 O'Clock High or Black Sheep Squadron... I think that would actually be a great idea ...

Or how about mixing the two genres, science fiction and WWII. Oh, say like a The Final Countdown series. Plenty of storylines available for an imaginative writing crew. I would watch...

WV

Manos1
11-27-2007, 01:31 PM
Originally posted by Bearcat99:
I watched Razor over the weekend...

Thanks Bearcat ! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif

I had no idea season 4 started !

crucislancer
11-27-2007, 01:40 PM
Originally posted by Manos1:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Bearcat99:
I watched Razor over the weekend...

Thanks Bearcat ! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif

I had no idea season 4 started ! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Sadly, it hasn't. Season 4 will start in the spring. While some of what is in Razor will play into the 4th season, we still have to wait. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

berg417448
11-27-2007, 01:47 PM
Originally posted by crucislancer:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Manos1:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Bearcat99:
I watched Razor over the weekend...

Thanks Bearcat ! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif

I had no idea season 4 started ! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Sadly, it hasn't. Season 4 will start in the spring. While some of what is in Razor will play into the 4th season, we still have to wait. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

and even worse, due to the writers strike only about half of the 4th and final season has been completed. Scripts don't even exist for the last half according to Ron Moore. There was a strong rumor that season 4 was going to be split and the last half was not going to be aired until 2009! (much grumbling on the fan sites)...looks like the stoppage due to the strike may make that a certainty.

DuxCorvan
11-27-2007, 01:55 PM
Originally posted by TheGozr:
DuxCorvan
A good ww2 russian movies where some women flying is very possible http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Or they could make a gay drama a-la-Brokeback Mountain with a moustache pilot and a strrrong gunner covering his six.

Or some adaptation of WW2 in the style of '300', with the 8th formed by fitness guys in black leather pants and jackets, fighting mutant zombie nazis flying bat-shaped airplanes, and led by Hitler in the form of a 8 feet tall Drag Queen:

Rudolf Hess (some deformed punk): -"This is madness!"
Churchill (Vin Diesel with a cigar): -"This is Britainnnn!"

BillyTheKid_22
11-27-2007, 01:59 PM
http://stealthboy.com/images/viper_mk2_707_3.jpg



http://content.answers.com/main/content/wp/en/3/35/Viperfighter2.jpg



http://www.medwaypvb.com/images/history03/vipersdfse.jpg

Jagdgeschwader2
11-27-2007, 02:11 PM
Why would the Viper need air intake scoops if there is no air in space? Or are they for reverse thrust? Perhaps they are for operation in an atmosphere. Just the mechanical part of my brain being curious. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif Love the ships and the show.

http://home.earthlink.net/~jagdgeschwader26/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/jagdgeschwader2s3.jpg

Friendly_flyer
11-27-2007, 02:12 PM
Not quite a Hurricane, but it beats the X-wing!

berg417448
11-27-2007, 02:12 PM
Vipers can be flown in atmosphere on the show.

Luke5skywalker4
11-27-2007, 02:16 PM
I can't stand the constant shaking cam "effect" they use for dramatic purposes in that show :\. I'm assuming the air-intakes for that fighter is for atmospheric flight. Same as Star Wars (repulsors are utilized as well to stay up in the air).

Jagdgeschwader2
11-27-2007, 02:17 PM
Originally posted by berg417448:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Jagdgeschwader2:
Why would the Viper need air intake scoops if there is no air in space? Or are they for reverse thrust? Perhaps they are for operation in an atmosphere. Just the mechanical part of my brain being curious. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif Love the ships and the show.

http://home.earthlink.net/~jagdgeschwader26/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/jagdgeschwader2s3.jpg

Vipers can be flown in atmosphere. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Thanks mate. Not trying to be sarcastic it just occured to me for some reason. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif Funny how I never questioned these things as a kid. I'm suprised no one has developed a game from this series yet. How cool it would be to pilot a Viper and engage the Cylon ships.

http://home.earthlink.net/~jagdgeschwader26/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/jagdgeschwader2s3.jpg

berg417448
11-27-2007, 02:27 PM
They do have them doing some crazy impossible maneuvers:

Check out Razor Flashback #3 on this site:
http://galacticabbs.com/index.php?showforum=59

Billy_BigBoy
11-27-2007, 02:45 PM
Originally posted by crucislancer:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Manos1:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Bearcat99:
I watched Razor over the weekend...

Thanks Bearcat ! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif

I had no idea season 4 started ! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Sadly, it hasn't. Season 4 will start in the spring. While some of what is in Razor will play into the 4th season, we still have to wait. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

What?!?
Frack, they told me 2 weeks, be sure!

Anyway, I like the show very much, especialy Number 6 http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/inlove.gif
Razor was good, I'm ready for the new season now.
BaronUnderpants, there are a couple of original soundtracks (http://www.amazon.com/Battlestar-Galactica-Season-Bear-McCreary/dp/B0009Q0F5U), this one containes the marvelous piano play (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gkTjmEpLrII&feature=related), Passacaglia. When you hear it, you see Kara. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/heart.gif

Bearcat99
11-27-2007, 03:03 PM
Originally posted by Jagdgeschwader2:
It was the first time I've watched any of the new Battle Star Galactica series and I did find it very interesting. I think I will be a regular viewer.


It took me a while to get into it.. at first when I saw that they had the whole female angle I thought it would be like Xena in space.. or Clopatra 20000 or whatever year that was... Don't get me wrong I like hot women.. but after a while in a movie or TV series it gets old.. I want some substance... so it took me a while to get into it... they had a marathon either last year or the year before.. and I stumbled upon it.. and that was it I was hooked. It is a shame this upcoming season will be the last one.

Jagdgeschwader2
11-27-2007, 03:05 PM
Originally posted by berg417448:
They do have them doing some crazy impossible maneuvers:

Check out Razor Flashback #3 on this site:
http://galacticabbs.com/index.php?showforum=59

Vectoring thrusters. I loved it!

http://home.earthlink.net/~jagdgeschwader26/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/jagdgeschwader2s3.jpg

jarink
11-27-2007, 03:06 PM
Originally posted by Bearcat99:
I wonder if we will ever see any more TV series like 12 O'Clock High or Black Sheep Squadron...

In this day and age, I think the "PC" demands of the studios would make veterans' stomachs turn. As an example, my grandfather NEVER let us kids watch "Hogan's Heroes" (even though the show was never supposed to be taken seriously) in his house. As a former POW, he probably had a point. Even "Black Sheep Squadron" was not that historically accurate. Producers must think TV series need varied and "interesting" story lines rather than accurate ones, I guess.

I think the one of the few WWII avaiation stories that would have a chance at being correctly portrayed would be be that of the Tuskeegee Airmen. I know there's a movie in the works, so maybe it will spawn some TV interest like "Saving Private Ryan" did (which had a lot to do with "Band of Brothers" getting made).

Another possiblilty would be a story about the RAF Eagle Squadrons. That would be OK from a TV point of view as well since there would be ample opportunity for different characters (and some of them were characters!), not to mention love scenes with British girls!

jarink
11-27-2007, 03:10 PM
Originally posted by Bearcat99:
at first when I saw that they had the whole female angle I thought it would be like Xena in space.. or Clopatra 20000 or whatever year that was...

The difference in BSG is that most of these women (like Starbuck) are macho.


Originally posted by Bearcat99:
Don't get me wrong I like hot women..

http://www.scifiscience.co.uk/img/extras/top10/girls/Cylon1.jpg

Ooohhhh yea!!!!
http://media.ubi.com/us/forum_images/gf-glomp.gif

Jagdgeschwader2
11-27-2007, 03:11 PM
Originally posted by Bearcat99:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Jagdgeschwader2:
It was the first time I've watched any of the new Battle Star Galactica series and I did find it very interesting. I think I will be a regular viewer.


It took me a while to get into it.. at first when I saw that they had the whole female angle I thought it would be like Xena in space.. or Clopatra 20000 or whatever year that was... Don't get me wrong I like hot women.. but after a while in a movie or TV series it gets old.. I want some substance... so it took me a while to get into it... they had a marathon either last year or the year before.. and I stumbled upon it.. and that was it I was hooked. It is a shame this upcoming season will be the last one. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

The more I see of it the more I like. I'll have to get all the DVD's so I can watch it from the beginning. I hear you on the whole female angle thing it's a bit overdone as of late. It doesn't seem to detract much from this show though.

http://home.earthlink.net/~jagdgeschwader26/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/jagdgeschwader2s3.jpg

Korolov1986
11-27-2007, 03:13 PM
When it comes to making a WW2 era show or movie where the focus is on the aviation part of it, I think most investors say "heck no" at the cost of CGI, sets, and renting real planes to make an effective illusion.

As for BSG - I was a bit disappointed in Razor. I think all the commercial breaks ruined it; it felt way too jumbled up. I also didn't catch onto as much as the story as I would have liked.

DuxCorvan
11-27-2007, 03:15 PM
Originally posted by Bearcat99:
Don't get me wrong I like hot women..

Look back!!! I think I've seen Mrs. Bearcat peeping over your shoulder... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif

Sharpe26
11-27-2007, 03:21 PM
one can always hope that the battle of britain movie from 1969 gets redone.

Although I wouldn't be that impartial to a trio of movies dealing with the Schweinfurt raid, the first raid on Berlin and perhaps Bodenplatte.

then again if wishes were horses......

crucislancer
11-27-2007, 03:36 PM
Originally posted by Korolov1986:
When it comes to making a WW2 era show or movie where the focus is on the aviation part of it, I think most investors say "heck no" at the cost of CGI, sets, and renting real planes to make an effective illusion.

As for BSG - I was a bit disappointed in Razor. I think all the commercial breaks ruined it; it felt way too jumbled up. I also didn't catch onto as much as the story as I would have liked.

Yeah, I don't expect that we will see any WWII-based TV shows, other then The Pacific (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Pacific_%28miniseries%29), by the same folks that produced "Band of Brothers". But, that's a mini-series.

I'll be sure to re-watch Razor when the DVD comes out. The added scenes and the lack of commercials should help.

Bearcat99
11-27-2007, 03:51 PM
Originally posted by berg417448:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Wepps:
What always got me about Galactica in both series is that...there are never any escorts, past or present.

Apparently the ships could stand alone and required none. Even though it's plainly obvious that many of their problems in combat would have been solved with the Task Force mentality, and therefore likely would have developed into that over time.

At the time of the Cylon attack, the Colonial Fleet included approximately 120 battlestars, and thousands of smaller vessels. The show's writers have never specified exactly what type of ships those smaller ones were so we are left to speculate. Each Battlestar was apparently assigned to a Battlestar Group...the Galactica was part of the 75th Battlestar Group (BSG-75). </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

and keep in mind that all of the colonial fleet with the exception of Gallactica & Pegasus was destroyed on the day of the invasion.. escorts need someplace to take off and land from...

Check this out:

BSG:BTRL (http://www.game-warden.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=36)

Based on the old Freespace engine.. free for download.. user made. Not too bad...

Alloy007P
11-27-2007, 03:58 PM
I love BSG and I saw Razor, watched it on tv. What pisses me off the most is that it was not shown in the movietheaters in Canada. I mean come on the show was made in vancouver, by the canadians and we don't get it in thaeters?! And on on top of that they don't show the wep episodes on tv and the space channel site blocks candains from watching them. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_mad.gif

Anyways the movie was ok but I was really hopeing to see more of the old cylons, more action, more battle, ect. Last season wasn't as good as the other 2, but im sure season 4 will pull it together

Divine-Wind
11-27-2007, 04:54 PM
Originally posted by Bearcat99:
Check this out:

BSG:BTRL (http://www.game-warden.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=36)

Based on the old Freespace engine.. free for download.. user made. Not too bad...
Do ya need Freespace 2 or is this all, eh, self-contained?

crucislancer
11-27-2007, 04:57 PM
Originally posted by Divine-Wind:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Bearcat99:
Check this out:

BSG:BTRL (http://www.game-warden.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=36)

Based on the old Freespace engine.. free for download.. user made. Not too bad...
Do ya need Freespace 2 or is this all, eh, self-contained? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Stand alone. No need for FS2. But, if you don't have FS2, you should get it. It's fun! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

bigbossmalone
11-27-2007, 05:03 PM
It's self-contained, D-W, I actually d/l'd the demo almost 8 moonths ago, waiting eagerly for the darn thing to be released in full...
Judging from the demo, it should be a blast!

-HH-Quazi
11-27-2007, 05:07 PM
I never would have thought there would be enough interest in a spin off from an old sci-fi show to garner three pages of serious discussion. You guys are a trip, hehe Please carry on. Who knows. I might read enough of the story line to get me interested in watching a show or two, or three, or etc....

crucislancer
11-27-2007, 05:10 PM
Originally posted by -HH-Quazi:
I never would have thought there would be enough interest in a spin off from an old sci-fi show to garner three pages of serious discussion. You guys are a trip, hehe Please carry on. Who knows. I might read enough of the story line to get me interested in watching a show or two, or three, or etc....

Another reason for me to get a new joystick. Mine does ok with IL-2, but I was all over the place with the BSG demo. Those Vipers are nibble little suckers.

Bearcat99
11-27-2007, 05:45 PM
Originally posted by -HH-Quazi:
I never would have thought there would be enough interest in a spin off from an old sci-fi show to garner three pages of serious discussion. You guys are a trip, hehe Please carry on. Who knows. I might read enough of the story line to get me interested in watching a show or two, or three, or etc....

Q BSG is one of the best shows on TV... the acting, the writing, top notch. The chartacters are all very complex and it touches on so many issues that you sometimes miss it.. it is only ion the reruns or DVDs that you say... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif

BSS_CUDA
11-27-2007, 06:07 PM
one of my Favorite games of all time is the Descent series 1,2,3. Freespace 1 was celled Descent Freespace when it came out, but it was really nothing like the original series. it wasn't a true 3D of motion like D 1,2,3.

Never got into freespace as the Visability sucked. wonder if they have a TIR addon http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif

Blottogg
11-27-2007, 06:09 PM
I missed Razor (holiday travelling), but plan to get the DVD, as I like the new BSG for the most part. I'm a little disappointed in the occasional forays the writers have taken into soap opera territory though. Just for a change-up, and to add a little depth to the story, could we have an occasional male-female relationship that didn't involve them sleeping with each other at some point? I'm not against mature material, and changing the Starbuck character to a woman was a neat twist (though my wife didn't like it), but when you saw that, you knew the writers wouldn't be able to resist having the two knock boots at some point. Overall though, I like the new series much better than the old one, as it is much deeper, more mature, and more "real".

Commenting on the BC's original post, they obviously got a lot of technical help from Navy vets to give the show more of an authentic feel, which I like. In a related note, the movie "The Incredibles" has a great scene where Elastigirl (Holly Hunter) is flying and using terms like "Buddy-spike" and "VFR on top" correctly. Again, either Brad Bird (the writer/director) is a pilot, or he talked to one to give the scene more authenticity.

Having said that, the combat in both BSG and the Star Wars films is very much based on WWII dogfighting. Thrust vectoring and RCS systems aside, they're still talkin' on the radio (er, "wireless") and shooting guns. In an old post of mine over at SimHQ, I lemented that even now, brevity code is starting to disappear, as data links increasingly make analog voice transmissions obsolete. It's better technology (and avoids a lot of language translation problems to boot) but text and data scrolling across an MFD just isn't as dramatic or professional sounding, I guess. "Real" space combat would probably resemble submarine warfare more than anything else.

As a future sci-fi series, I'd like to see something like an alternate history with WWII technology. At the risk of sounding like a movie version of Crimson Skies, it would put the dogfighting in terms most people could relate to (up close with guns, instead of long periods of looking at a screen, punctuated with a distant - or not so distant - explosion), without the jarring disparity of both FTL travel and combat using slug-throwers at point-blank range. The alternate history aspect would free the writers from being shackled to historic accuracy, and allow for some pretty creative storylines (and vehicles.)

Bearcat99
11-27-2007, 07:06 PM
That's a great idea.....

VW-IceFire
11-27-2007, 07:26 PM
Razor was great and yes Battlestar is a brevity 101 lesson all the time. Its a nice meld of aviation terms plus some of their own (as far as I can tell) tossed in to create flavour in the sequences (crypter crypter crypter seems to be the same as mayday mayday mayday).

Razor is definitely not something that someone coming into it for the first time can watch as the jumping around through the events from the beginning to halfway through last season would be just too much for them. But for fans it was great to fill in many of the empty spaces and see what was going on. Plus the tidbit at the end about what was to come...I can't wait for April.

Divine-Wind
11-27-2007, 07:32 PM
Originally posted by crucislancer:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Divine-Wind:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Bearcat99:
Check this out:

BSG:BTRL (http://www.game-warden.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=36)

Based on the old Freespace engine.. free for download.. user made. Not too bad...
Do ya need Freespace 2 or is this all, eh, self-contained? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Stand alone. No need for FS2. But, if you don't have FS2, you should get it. It's fun! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Alright! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/metal.gif Downloading now.

I've heard a lot of good stuff about the Descent series. Always was a fan of a well-made space sim. (Tachyon was one game I never got to try out, but I loved the demo)

VW-IceFire
11-27-2007, 09:19 PM
After you've got FreeSpace 2 retail you can seriously upgrade the game by downloading the source code project groups work.

http://www.hard-light.net/forums/

With the source code things have been upgraded to DX8 standard, has OpenGL support, HT&L, and all sorts of other graphical goodness that was never available in the original (textures and 3D models are in the process of being redone as well). Right now there are efforts to get a proper shader system in place too so the game really goes up a notch in graphical detail with these enabled. Takes a bit to setup but its well worth it.

Once you're bored of the main campaign there's the aformentioned BSG MOD and there are Wing Commander, Babylon 5, StarWars, and other FreeSpace related MODs in progress as well.

Worth checking out!

Targ
11-27-2007, 09:36 PM
Sheesh,
what a bunch of frakkin geeks
http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

M_Gunz
11-28-2007, 12:16 AM
Space-Opera Geeks at that. The original Cattlecar Galactica is like a raw cardboard Christmas
tree cutout with "realism" ornaments hung on it. More fundamentally wrong "science" than right
to put it lightly. It's right in the tradition of Flash Gordon, paint-deep melodrama.

At one time this country put men on the moon but sadly we're back to being satisfied with Soaps.

Well I hope the new series is a bit better but given how far we've slid I expect the ornaments
have improved while the actual science basis is no better at all. Imagine one of those 'Vipers'
on re-entry then figure how cool a real lifting body re-entry to hypersonic fighter would look
compared.

Compare a 50's fin-tail Buick to a Porsche concept car and you'll see what I mean.
Retro-schlock vs badazz modern, which is more believably FAST?

Oh well, keep everyone deep down wanting the old days and living like we can have it forever.
When you drive and buy that's the gut level the inner child works on. We don't need to change,
the world should be what and as we like! I tell yas, the future COULD be very cool but instead
it's the past that gets pushed.

Kurfurst__
11-28-2007, 01:10 AM
Originally posted by BSS_CUDA:
I've got to ask, exactly what was the point of letting us know they were lovers??????? what bearing did it have to the story line?????

You must be g@y to even ask this. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif A great excuse for lesbian scenes with Thricia Helfer, and for herself for the matter, what else? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif And I am not complaining! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

BSG is a great series. The only sci-fi series my stomach takes, for the reasons Bearcat mentioned. The setting is rather realistic, no absurd gimnicks, it`s pretty much our world, just a bit more advanced. And the fact that the military scenes/operations bear the mark of someone`s advisorship who probably seen these things up close gives it a sort of authenticy. Also, incredibly, BSG had the best court-scene I`ve seen a long time, not to mention the final episode of Season 3.

They also keep the 'philosophy line' low enough, and I must admit, there`re some really good bon mots in the movie, I think one of them was in Bearcat`s sig about seperation of the police and military, from the old Adama guy, who`s so versatile he could even curse in Hungarian (can anyone guess which scene I am talking about..? Note the past tense). http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif I don`t know from who they stole it http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif , but hey, it`s a great quote.

waffen-79
11-28-2007, 02:26 AM
God! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif I miss the days of the "Heavy Hitters"

Starbuck & Kat http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/inlove.gif

They should make another interlude episode in season 4 about space combat (CAG) between season 2 and 3

featuring a lot of

starbuck
kat
showboat

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/inlove.gif

ploughman
11-28-2007, 04:02 AM
The courtroom stuff was inspired, really raised the level on what's already a pretty thought provoking series.

EJ Olmos has Jewish Hungarian ancestory. Guess he slipped one past the censors eh?

Kurfurst__
11-28-2007, 05:00 AM
Originally posted by Ploughman:

EJ Olmos has Jewish Hungarian ancestory. Guess he slipped one past the censors eh?

Never knew that, I thought he was Spanish-American. Looks like he has every sort of blood in his veins, now I`ve read wiki. Cool! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SBiYAa5qdDE

- Monsieur, azonnal kövessen engem (follow me immidietely), bitte!" (in Franco-Hungaro-German http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif
- He say his going to arrest, Mr. Decker.
- You`ve got the wrong guy, pal.
- Lófaszt! Nehogy már, te vagy<STRIKE>ol</STRIKE> blade... bladerunner!
(Hungarian w. pretty bad grammar : Horseprick! Don`t bull me/No way, you`re blade runner!

Quite a fitting line for an actor with Southern-Mexican-American-Hungarian-Jewish-Baptist-Catholic roots, eh? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

But I don`t think he speaks the language, it`s hardly understandable, guess he was learning it phonetically to give an idea of the mixed nature of the remaining residents of Earth in that classic movie.

I guess I share this, it`s somewhat related.

Bearcat99
11-28-2007, 06:30 AM
Originally posted by M_Gunz:
Space-Opera Geeks at that. The original Cattlecar Galactica is like a raw cardboard Christmas
tree cutout with "realism" ornaments hung on it. More fundamentally wrong "science" than right
to put it lightly. It's right in the tradition of Flash Gordon, paint-deep melodrama.

At one time this country put men on the moon but sadly we're back to being satisfied with Soaps.

Well I hope the new series is a bit better but given how far we've slid I expect the ornaments
have improved while the actual science basis is no better at all. Imagine one of those 'Vipers'
on re-entry then figure how cool a real lifting body re-entry to hypersonic fighter would look
compared.

Compare a 50's fin-tail Buick to a Porsche concept car and you'll see what I mean.
Retro-schlock vs badazz modern, which is more believably FAST?

Oh well, keep everyone deep down wanting the old days and living like we can have it forever.
When you drive and buy that's the gut level the inner child works on. We don't need to change,
the world should be what and as we like! I tell yas, the future COULD be very cool but instead
it's the past that gets pushed.

So... I take it you have not watched the series... Gunz.. check it out.. it is a d@mn good show... and it is not a soap opera in space.. IMO it is the best sci fi space show ever.. better than all the Treks and B5.. Firefly was in a category all it's own IMO..

One of the things I like about it is that there are humans.. and Cylons... you dont have the usual mix of aliens with bumps and riges on their faces and a universe where everyone knows every one else's technology ...

Yeah waffen.. it was sad the way Kat died.. It kinda reminded me of the RAF in WWII though they way she became a pilot... That wall is a nice touch too... it is just a real human show.. all the characters are more... "real" than in any other sci fi show I have seen.

SeaFireLIV
11-28-2007, 06:37 AM
Kat died?

oh well.

waffen-79
11-28-2007, 06:48 AM
Originally posted by Bearcat99:
Yeah waffen.. it was sad the way Kat died.. It kinda reminded me of the RAF in WWII though they way she became a pilot... That wall is a nice touch too... it is just a real human show.. all the characters are more... "real" than in any other sci fi show I have seen.

Yeah I mean, what's more interesting than spacecrafts dogfighting a la WW2 piloted by hawt babes? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/winky.gif

Besides, you're spot on, I always think of BSG as a US carrier with RAF squadrons http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif (I hope you get what I mean)


Originally posted by SeaFireLIV:
Kat died?

oh well.

Yikes, I didn't meant to spoil it for you mate http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

But she was so important and so loved by the fans that the producers made a whole episode of her death in season 3

here are some pics of her

http://i124.photobucket.com/albums/p32/Waffen-79/KatBanner.jpg

http://i124.photobucket.com/albums/p32/Waffen-79/kat_bsgviper_big2.jpg

M_Gunz
11-28-2007, 07:28 AM
Originally posted by Bearcat99:
So... I take it you have not watched the series... Gunz.. check it out.. it is a d@mn good show... and it is not a soap opera in space.. IMO it is the best sci fi space show ever.. better than all the Treks and B5.. Firefly was in a category all it's own IMO..

One of the things I like about it is that there are humans.. and Cylons... you dont have the usual mix of aliens with bumps and riges on their faces and a universe where everyone knows every one else's technology ...

I saw enough of the original to know THAT was space opera. Those Cylons were pathetic.
Star Trek... opera led by one of the biggest hams in show biz and some science behind it.
I thought that the next Star Trek was a definite improvement though, love the Borg!
What's that other one, Deep $#1+ Nine?
IMO the biggest loser S-F TV series (at least that I remember) is Lost In Space.
And there was Salvage One based on just plain BAD SCIENCE dressed up as real, I had to
leave the room at my brothers' when they push slow acceleration as a more efficient way
to get into orbit because "NASA has it all wrong". Uhhh, do the math and that's BS.

What kills most for me is the multiple mistakes and/or the way crude plot manipulations.

There's an old S-F writers rule about suspension of disbelief, you only want to allow one
major unprovable/impossibility if you want a good story. Improbables... as the plot will
allow, as the author can pull off. Yeah, you can call BSG S-F on that but the original
is just cheesy and those fighters are really BAD as in made by clueless designers as is
the retro pilot garb. Let's not go into how the fleet is supposed to maintain operations!

The 2001 series movies, our major impossibility is the aliens and the rest hangs on that
as improbables. The result is slow but incredible. However if you don't read the books
and just watch the movies you will miss 90% of it. I caught both back in 71.

So they don't have to be perfect but I prefer to avoid the here-as-there and do hold a
higher than average standard based on decades of reading good S-F and throwing the others
into the trash.

OTOH if it's a total sendup or parody then I'll happily watch and laugh along!
Some stuff is sooooo bad it's just plain good!

Kurfurst__
11-28-2007, 07:59 AM
Max,

Don`t compare it to the old BSG, from what I`ve read about it, it`s totally horrible. Just watch the new series.ne of the few I actually bother the watch (the others were/are limited to Deadwood, Rome, and Sopranos, BSG imho is quality enough to compete with these, make your conclusion). Just try it. Enjoy it. It`s one of the greatest shows around, with an very inspiring soundtrack and realistic characters. No movie so far, IMHO caught the military spirit more than this one. o

Go and give it a try, you`ll like it I assure you. And then come back and tell us what you think after you`ve seen it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-A5TfSZ9GBo&feature=related

Wepps
11-28-2007, 08:46 AM
Originally posted by Kurfurst__:
Max,

Don`t compare it to the old BSG, from what I`ve read about it, it`s totally horrible. Just watch the new series.ne of the few I actually bother the watch (the others were/are limited to Deadwood, Rome, and Sopranos, BSG imho is quality enough to compete with these, make your conclusion). Just try it. Enjoy it. It`s one of the greatest shows around, with an very inspiring soundtrack and realistic characters. No movie so far, IMHO caught the military spirit more than this one. o

Go and give it a try, you`ll like it I assure you. And then come back and tell us what you think after you`ve seen it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-A5TfSZ9GBo&feature=related

I thought Razor was much better than the first seasons. But I suspect the writers will go right back to their old habits shortly.

Galactica to me recently has been like a morbid fascination. It sucks to behold, but I can't seem to be able to turn away from that disgraceful excuse for sci-fi.

Much like Enterprise.

Divine-Wind
11-28-2007, 08:52 AM
Dude, Gunz, you're talking about an old series which only maybe one or two have brought up. I don't think any gives a flying banana about the old BSG.

Anyways, tried Beyond the Red Line last night... And whoo! Never played any space sim like that! Those guys did a great job... And that's only the demo! Chatter was pretty good, effects and models and all that was also at about an Il2 level. The combat was pretty exciting... Trying to chase down a Raider with several more behind you chewing you up is pretty scary cr@p.

Only gripe is there isn't a proper cockpit view... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

crucislancer
11-28-2007, 09:36 AM
Yeah, the old series was about trying to capitalize on the popularity of Star Wars, except on the small screen. Though they did release the pilot in the movie theaters, with that "SenseSurround" deal.

The new series is much more dynamic. While you have your sci fi elements (FTL drives, artifical gravity, Cylons, etc), you also have more realistic military operations (the brevity code, carrier ops, squad level tactics, proper chain of command), politics, and relationships that make sense, for the most part.

FliegerAas
11-28-2007, 10:20 AM
I like the series but I'm afraid I have to wait veeeeery long before the movie goes on air here... still waiting for season 2...

M_Gunz
11-28-2007, 10:37 AM
Originally posted by Kurfurst__:
Max,

Don`t compare it to the old BSG, from what I`ve read about it, it`s totally horrible. Just watch the new series.ne of the few I actually bother the watch (the others were/are limited to Deadwood, Rome, and Sopranos, BSG imho is quality enough to compete with these, make your conclusion). Just try it. Enjoy it. It`s one of the greatest shows around, with an very inspiring soundtrack and realistic characters. No movie so far, IMHO caught the military spirit more than this one. o

Go and give it a try, you`ll like it I assure you. And then come back and tell us what you think after you`ve seen it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-A5TfSZ9GBo&feature=related

I'll try and get a buddy to capture an episode otherwise I'd have to hook up an antenna.
I really don't watch much TV, the cable money goes to highspeed net instead. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif
That's just my priorities, why pay for what I'd use so little?

Good to hear that the new series is so much better and that others opinions of the old is
about in line with mine. It did beat Lost in Space though!

Do you remember back in the past, no VCR's, few channels and being bored enough to watch junk
yet still there were shows you wouldn't? Lost in Space, Lawrence Welk, Bowling for Dollars?

M_Gunz
11-28-2007, 10:47 AM
When first BSG came out they had a lottery kind of thing, prize was an Intellivision.
First time I heard of the series was when visiting a friend, he won the console.
That's where I learned to call the show Cattlecar Galactica, you know all those people
stuffed inside. Funny enough only 5 years before in Basic Training we got moved around
in... cattlecars!

I saw it in 1981 when "hey, that's hot! let's play!". Last year or so I downloaded an
Intellivision emulator and a couple of the old games an MAN the same stuff REALLY SUX!

LOL, times DO change. I'll have to see this new show but please do the fighters look
like believable aerospace vehicles or are they those draggy, .5 critical mach looking
retro-wonders?

LEXX_Luthor
11-28-2007, 10:48 AM
The biggest thing for me in Original BG is the Vipers had some tape guages like in then contemporary F-105 and F-106, although for different instrument uses.

Good page on Viper cockpits, scroll down ~> http://www.joelowens.org/bsg/index.html

FliegerAas
11-28-2007, 11:29 AM
Holy ****, look what I just found on Moddb:

http://www.moddb.com/games/6596/bsg-beyond-the-red-line

This is going to be a standalone mod based on an advanced freespace2 engine...
impressive Demo video:

http://stage6.divx.com/user/Omniscaper/video/1435140/BTRL-Benchmark-video-2

Edit:

Teaser:

http://stage6.divx.com/user/Omniscaper/video/1438267/BTRL-Teaser-#2-HD-720p

These guys know what they are doing it seems.. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif

Divine-Wind
11-28-2007, 11:42 AM
Originally posted by FliegerAas:
Holy ****, look what I just found on Moddb:

http://www.moddb.com/games/6596/bsg-beyond-the-red-line

This is going to be a standalone mod based on an advanced freespace2 engine...
impressive Demo video:

http://stage6.divx.com/user/Omniscaper/video/1435140/BTRL-Benchmark-video-2

Edit:

Teaser:

http://stage6.divx.com/user/Omniscaper/video/1438267/BTRL-Teaser-#2-HD-720p

These guys know what they are doing it seems.. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif

Originally posted by Bearcat99:
Check this out:

BSG:BTRL (http://www.game-warden.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=36)

Based on the old Freespace engine.. free for download.. user made. Not too bad...

Tee hee

FliegerAas
11-28-2007, 11:48 AM
D'oh, i have overseen this.

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/sadeyes.gif

Kurfurst__
11-28-2007, 01:41 PM
Originally posted by M_Gunz:
I really don't watch much TV, the cable money goes to highspeed net instead. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

Me neither, frankly I don`t even bother with the news (which I usually). It`s far better doing it in your office broadband and even getting paid for it. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/784.gif


Do you remember back in the past, no VCR's, few channels and being bored enough to watch junk
yet still there were shows you wouldn't? Lost in Space, Lawrence Welk, Bowling for Dollars?

Not quite, being a late children of socialism-communism. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/784.gif I do remember though the 'neighbourings' in the home of the one family who had the single TV in the entire block, then I recall the second phase of trying to find an East-German antenna that works, and Phase three, the Age of the VCR well I think I can still turn down the voice and produce the dialog on my own for the entire Battle of the Bulge and some others. I think the fourth Phase was called German Zatellite TVs - Nein, ich bin dein Vater. - Das ist nicht wahr...! and the old Kampfstern Galaktika stuff. But local TV was still great, at least here it was done largely by ex-radio members who tried to make an intellectual show, and were not bad at that. It also didn`t hurt that the people who organised the programme brought only movies that I`d still enjoy watching. But now we`re one big happy globalised family. The cometh of the Persil Plague, Brasilian soap operas and finally reality shows gave the coup d`grace for anyone with brains.

Kurfurst__
11-28-2007, 01:45 PM
Originally posted by Divine-Wind:

Anyways, tried Beyond the Red Line last night... And whoo! Never played any space sim like that! Those guys did a great job... And that's only the demo!

It`s basically a big mod for the old Frespace and Freespace 2 space sims. Excellent ones they were, in many ways better than the old X-Wing series, though building them a lot (briefing). Try them at some discount shop, truely great stuff.

ploughman
11-28-2007, 01:51 PM
Originally posted by M_Gunz:
...I'll have to see this new show but please do the fighters look
like believable aerospace vehicles or are they those draggy, .5 critical mach looking
retro-wonders?

The new BSG is both an homage to and a massive departure from the old show. http://media.ubi.com/us/forum_images/gf-glomp.gif

jarink
11-28-2007, 02:36 PM
Originally posted by Ploughman:
The new BSG is both an homage to and a massive departure from the old show. http://media.ubi.com/us/forum_images/gf-glomp.gif

I remember watching the old BSG when I was a lad...It was fun in a campy sort of way, but after they added the monkey-robot "Daggit" thing it went downhill pretty fast.

<span class="ev_code_yellow">NOOOOOO!!!!!!</span>
http://www.battlestargalactica.com/dmoss/dmpics/uspcard.jpg

My only fear about the current BSG is that it will end the way the original series did - They find Earth and discover that they have superhero-like strength! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif

Divine-Wind
11-28-2007, 03:32 PM
Originally posted by Kurfurst__:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Divine-Wind:

Anyways, tried Beyond the Red Line last night... And whoo! Never played any space sim like that! Those guys did a great job... And that's only the demo!

It`s basically a big mod for the old Frespace and Freespace 2 space sims. Excellent ones they were, in many ways better than the old X-Wing series, though building them a lot (briefing). Try them at some discount shop, truely great stuff. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Yeah, if I ever run across any of the Freespace or Descent games I will definitely check them out.

crucislancer
11-28-2007, 03:33 PM
Ron Moore isn't going to stick us with that silly Galactica 1980 scenario. I have enough faith in his work that it's the furthest thing from his mind.

I have a few thoughts for how it might finish, but I'm sure I'll be wrong in the end.

VW-IceFire
11-28-2007, 03:57 PM
Rumor has it that when we do get to Earth it "won't be what we're expecting" and that it will be the end of the show. None of this showing up at Earth and hanging around bouncing up in the air and getting information from a super intelligent wiz kid know it all like BSG 1980. THAT made the first season look really good in comparison.

The new BSG is a totally different beast fortunately.

LEXX_Luthor
11-28-2007, 05:12 PM
Maybe when they get to Earth, they blow it up to end the series. I know of only one sci~fi show that did that.

M_Gunz
11-28-2007, 07:44 PM
Kurfurst, have you seen the spoof "Star Wreck - The Pirkinning"?
I can't understand what they say but it's well made and the constant gags do carry.

Bearcat99
11-28-2007, 07:45 PM
Gunz.. The old show cannot compare to the new one. The characters are much more complex.. the show is grittier.. Even the technology is something that we can all relate to for the most part...They have cancer.. they have nukes.. they have phones.. they use guns with bullets.. I am not sure exactly what type of round the vipers carry.. and because the Gallactica was a relic of the first Cylon war.. it was actually being turned into a museum.. much like the Intrepid or The Yorktown.. when the war broke out.. That's why they were able to escape.. she had just had fher final cruise and was getting ready for mothballs..

Just a great show... Knowing the little that I know about you.. You will love it. I thought it would be one of those T & A fests.. as I said .. I like T & A.. but when I am watching sci fi I want something for my other head... Even the hangar bay scenes are just.... realistic.

berg417448
11-28-2007, 07:56 PM
And the Cylons are a lot better looking than they used to be:

http://www.scifiscience.co.uk/img/extras/top10/girls/Cylon6.jpg

Korolov1986
11-28-2007, 08:34 PM
I know what M_Gunz is trying to say, but I gotta ask: How many of us even have a clue what a "space superiority fighter" is going to look like, much less if there'll be one? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif

I tried to write a working essay on the subject once but I don't think it turned out well at all. There's just no way to know - with the way things look now, it's hard to guess. Although Independence War seemed pretty plausible, but that was more like naval battles in space, not hot shot Ego and Viper (no, the OTHER Viper!) drivers in space.

ploughman
11-29-2007, 02:08 AM
and because the Gallactica was a relic of the first Cylon war.. it was actually being turned into a museum..

There's a laugh out loud moment near the begining, they're getting waxed and are trying to turn from museum moded to combat mode, that goes something like...

"Why can't we use hangar deck one?"

"It's a gift shop, sir."

Had me on the floor.

LEXX_Luthor
11-29-2007, 02:16 AM
korolov::
How many of us even have a clue what a "space superiority fighter" is going to look like
Shape -- sphere

Colour -- black, but may depend on wavelength of EM radiation the colour is designed for. I just assume black in the visible light range.

Nothing like on the tele or in the computer games.

Kurfurst__
11-29-2007, 03:56 AM
Originally posted by M_Gunz:
Kurfurst, have you seen the spoof "Star Wreck - The Pirkinning"?

I can't understand what they say but it's well made and the constant gags do carry.

Well me neither, I am not Finnish, and it sounds Finnish, I don`t know a dange about 'trek either but that Finnish chick looks hot. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Here`s some trailer for it w. English subtitles :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R79JuYdG5KY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=coCOkxlDrDs&feature=related

FlatSpinMan
11-29-2007, 04:51 AM
Ahh I envy you gys who have been able to watch this show. I've seen 12 of the first 13 episodes (so have been carefully avoiding this thread in case of spoilers). I remember when I first watched the pilot I was hooked within the first 10 seconds - the Cylons were created by humans." Then the stunning one walks in and inspects the Colonial officer. At the time I said to myself, This was the show I had been waiting for" and I hadn;t even realised I was waiting. Know what I mean? It was just that perfect for me. Now I just need to see the rest.

M_Gunz
11-29-2007, 05:12 AM
Originally posted by Kurfurst__:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by M_Gunz:
Kurfurst, have you seen the spoof "Star Wreck - The Pirkinning"?

I can't understand what they say but it's well made and the constant gags do carry.

Well me neither, I am not Finnish, and it sounds Finnish, I don`t know a dange about 'trek either but that Finnish chick looks hot. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Here`s some trailer for it w. English subtitles :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R79JuYdG5KY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=coCOkxlDrDs&feature=related </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Thanks, I'll have to dig in my archives for the avi -- you have clue where I did not on language.

It's like the old Leslie Neilsen Airplane/Police Story/Etc shows meets Star Trek, the gags are
funny and show some attitude. Captain has a problem with something like orbital control he
ends up blasting it to bits and just flying on! That show has 'attitude' -and- Chicks!

There's a Brit space-spoof show I've seen 3 eps of that's also worth seeing, I forget the name
just now though. Captain and crew are mostly either incompetent or insane or the sane ones
that get ignored time and time again. Very much "nooo, I don't think that's dangerous" and
right on cue "it" is dangerous. Still, not as good as Star Wreck.

M_Gunz
11-29-2007, 05:38 AM
Originally posted by Korolov1986:
I know what M_Gunz is trying to say, but I gotta ask: How many of us even have a clue what a "space superiority fighter" is going to look like, much less if there'll be one? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif

I tried to write a working essay on the subject once but I don't think it turned out well at all. There's just no way to know - with the way things look now, it's hard to guess. Although Independence War seemed pretty plausible, but that was more like naval battles in space, not hot shot Ego and Viper (no, the OTHER Viper!) drivers in space.

Yah, there's poorly dressed-up history S-F with drama(-queen) plots that is almost all Space
Opera and then there is glimpse into the future S-F. Original Star Trek is like 70%-30% blend,
just IMO mind you. Roddenberry pushed for all he could get in past the network execs, again
IMO he crossed 60's social barriers trying to say that in the future people would be mixed is
what got the series killed. For that alone the series deserves immortality, the popular
success has carried and did mark a major change in TV and society that we STILL work through.

What WOULD an aerospace superiority fighter look like? Different from space-only which having
BOTH would make a series better. Probably large compared to even bombers today and powered
by fusion at a minimum depending on the when of the show. Sure, with force fields you 'could'
play at Chitty-Chitty-Bang-Bang with a co-ax MG that shoots plasma but that would suck!

So what DO they have for power plants, fields, weapons, computers (that aren't today only a
mere 100x smaller and 100x faster but actually integrated, ubiquitous and seem more like magic)
on plausible levels? Again, the newer Trek Borg approach the approach I'd rather see!

Once you have the technology down, the tactics should devolve from there as opposed to dressed
up now or past leaving the watcher saying "but, but, but, WHY didn't they do...". Hit the
upper atmosphere at mach 7+ and are you blind due to the fireball? If your tech hasn't gone
past photons then you'd better be! That kind of thing, developing the NEW rather than taking
the OLD and putting new costumes on it. It's fine to take aspects of the old for sure, just
not where that cripples the science blatantly.

In the far-far future, if mankind survives, they shouldn't NEED superiority fighters but that's
another thing.

Wepps
11-29-2007, 08:01 AM
You know, this whole contemporary notion that the enemy are no longer CLEARLY the bad guys is just weighing on my nerves.

They come under attack and proceed directly to fighting and arguing amongst themselves. Now that's just ridiculous.

Not ridiculous that it happens, but in that it happens when the entire race is reduced to a handful of people stuffed into ships and trying to survive.

I find it impossible writing that nobody seems to herald the reality that...these people need to learn to get along in order to survive. It's impossible that some think the Cyclons are okay to go under those conditions.

The writers are being unrealistic in their portrayal of the situation and this is where the whole show loses me as a fan. The heroes of the old show are now feminazis, alcoholics, drug abusers and murderers, but the cylons don't do that stuff. Cylons are okay to go.

These are the same idiots that think a state of war doesn't exist in our day it's all an illusion. I hope they stay on strike forever as far as I'm concerned. Replace them with fan fiction, and you're probably onto something but until then Hollywood is fast becoming an obsolete bunch of drugged up losers who will end up writing resumes for a living.

berg417448
11-29-2007, 09:08 AM
I disagree with a lot of your assessment. The show is essentially about "What does it mean to be human?"

The show doesn't show things in stark black and white terms that because life is never so black and white. And I have to wonder if you've been really paying attention if you think that the Cylons are not alcoholics, drug users, murderers, etc. Like the humans, they are also torturers on occasion.(I guess I shouldn't say more on that since it would be a spoiler for some who have not seen a lot of the series.)

Bearcat99
11-29-2007, 12:23 PM
Wepps I totally disagree with you... I think that the writers are very realistic and in many ways the show shows just how people are... Look at France in WWII.. there were collaborators, profiteers, zealots,drunks & opportunists.. on both sides... people are still going to be people.. I agree with berg... Tigh was an alcoholic before the attack.. and that didn't change afterwards... and now the fact that he has been revealed to be a Cylon really blurs some things. Look Sharon.... She is still a Cylon.. but she and Helo had a child.. For many of the humans it is indeed all or nothing. butlook at Baltar... he is still the same self centered, narcissistic hedonist that he always was...

Gunz... one of the thijgs I like about the show as far as the tech side goes is that they don't go into details... their faster than light is actually more like the jumpgates in B5.. only they are called FTL (Which I am assuming is Faster Than Light) Drives... I think the guns on the Vipers are ion cannons.. I might be wrong..

The show is not ladsen with aliens and lasers... If you do check itout I suggest that you try to go from the miniseries to season one.. etc...

Hey Wepps... you sound kinda pissed off man.. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/shady.gif

crucislancer
11-29-2007, 12:38 PM
Originally posted by Bearcat99:I think the guns on the Vipers are ion cannons.. I might be wrong..

They use autocannons. One of the many things I love about the show. No laser weapons. Missles, cannons, nukes, nothing too fantastic, other then the ships themselves.

ploughman
11-29-2007, 12:47 PM
Tigh's a Cylon? No way. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif

fordfan25
11-29-2007, 12:54 PM
Originally posted by Bearcat99:
Wepps I totally disagree with you... I think that the writers are very realistic and in many ways the show shows just how people are... Look at France in WWII.. there were collaborators, profiteers, zealots,drunks & opportunists.. on both sides... people are still going to be people.. I agree with berg... Tigh was an alcoholic before the attack.. and that didn't change afterwards... and now the fact that he has been revealed to be a Cylon really blurs some things. Look Sharon.... She is still a Cylon.. but she and Helo had a child.. For many of the humans it is indeed all or nothing. butlook at Baltar... he is still the same self centered, narcissistic hedonist that he always was...

Gunz... one of the thijgs I like about the show as far as the tech side goes is that they don't go into details... their faster than light is actually more like the jumpgates in B5.. only they are called FTL (Which I am assuming is Faster Than Light) Drives... I think the guns on the Vipers are ion cannons.. I might be wrong..

The show is not ladsen with aliens and lasers... If you do check itout I suggest that you try to go from the miniseries to season one.. etc...

Hey Wepps... you sound kinda pissed off man.. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/shady.gif the vipers use round based weapons. thay have shown the ammo on the show. looks like between 20 and 30mm,s

fordfan25
11-29-2007, 12:57 PM
Armaments

The Viper is armed with multiple kinetic energy weapons, both have weapon hard points for mounting missiles under the wings.

Mark II [3]
2 x forward-firing Thorsen 30mm mass accelerator cannons mounted in the wing roots, each with an 800 round ammunition capacity and a 20 round-per-second fire rate
1 x forward-firing Lightning Javelin missile launcher in the belly, with an eight-round ammunition capacity
Mark VII
3 x forward-firing "Kinetic energy weapons", 2 mounted towards the outboard sections of the wings, 1 mounted on the top "fin".

Wepps
11-29-2007, 01:05 PM
Originally posted by Bearcat99:
Wepps I totally disagree with you... I think that the writers are very realistic and in many ways the show shows just how people are... Look at France in WWII.. there were collaborators, profiteers, zealots,drunks & opportunists.. on both sides... people are still going to be people.. I agree with berg... Tigh was an alcoholic before the attack.. and that didn't change afterwards... and now the fact that he has been revealed to be a Cylon really blurs some things. Look Sharon.... She is still a Cylon.. but she and Helo had a child.. For many of the humans it is indeed all or nothing. butlook at Baltar... he is still the same self centered, narcissistic hedonist that he always was...

Gunz... one of the thijgs I like about the show as far as the tech side goes is that they don't go into details... their faster than light is actually more like the jumpgates in B5.. only they are called FTL (Which I am assuming is Faster Than Light) Drives... I think the guns on the Vipers are ion cannons.. I might be wrong..

The show is not ladsen with aliens and lasers... If you do check itout I suggest that you try to go from the miniseries to season one.. etc...

Hey Wepps... you sound kinda pissed off man.. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/shady.gif

I know what you're getting at.

And furthermore, I know what THEY are getting at.

But it still doesn't change the fact that, at the end of the day, the last thing I need is 'real life' invading my entertainment! And I highly doubt the last 50,000 people alive would be at each others' throats.

Nevertheless, that's not the point of Galactica! They changed it and I don't like what it's devolved into.

If nothing else, could they at least attempt to solve ONE major issue in a given episode or two? They just keep randomly throwing new issues into it each passing week without anything ever being resolved.

So apparently all the ***holes survived with too few of the real humanitarians interesting in actually solving the issues they bring to the equation?

I'm not buying it. In that regard I'm simply not entertained.

I have - a little - hope after seeing Razor. It appears that there might be some amount of sanity restored to the series. Somehow I doubt it though.

Like games, the graphics don't turn me on as much as the substance.

Antoninus
11-29-2007, 01:19 PM
For me the new Battlestar Galactica series is the best TV show of the last decades. A very pleasant surprise since I just expected any nice to see dozen ware at first like the last few Star Trek shows.

I can't understand that anybody prefers clean superheros and evil "we must conquer everything" robots over realistic characters.


Originally posted by jarink:
My only fear about the current BSG is that it will end the way the original series did - They find Earth and discover that they have superhero-like strength! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif

That's my greatest fear too. That they will follow the Galactica 1980 path or do any similar nonsense, ruin everything build up over the years. Even after finishing excellent books or movies there always remains a bad taste in memory if the ending is horrible or just substandard.


Originally posted by Ploughman:
Tigh's a Cylon? No way. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif

I should stop reading such threads.

Divine-Wind
11-29-2007, 02:05 PM
Originally posted by Bearcat99:
Gunz... one of the thijgs I like about the show as far as the tech side goes is that they don't go into details... their faster than light is actually more like the jumpgates in B5.. only they are called FTL (Which I am assuming is Faster Than Light) Drives... I think the guns on the Vipers are ion cannons.. I might be wrong..
The guns on the Viper look more like chainguns of some kind to me. Very big chainguns.

DuxCorvan
11-29-2007, 02:43 PM
BearCat, stop spoiling, dude... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/shady.gif

I love the show. It is not realistic. It isn't meant to be. Come on, the whole plot is mounted over the fictional/ridiculous alternate reality base that the Earth was colonized by humans from outer space 4000 years ago -this is, during the Bronze Age, when Egypt and Babylon were powers -yet still they are adorers of the Greek gods and speak modern American English, not to talk about the completely contemporary US culture the 12 colonies portray: American politics, American law system, American way-of-life... even American cultural references... there's even a crucial plot twist at the end of Season Three where a rock tune plays a crucial role... and it's a cover of Bob Dylan's "All along the watchtower" -but that's not surprising because the series is initially aimed to American public that can identify themselves and get immediate immersion with the characters and situations in it.

And that's the great thing about this series: it's one of those 'alternate reality' scenarios that serve both as entertainment and as a reflective parable about human nature, social and politic conflict, and extreme situations. The mysterious cylon ways also throws a light about ourselves and gives a point of mysticism and philosophy that isn't boring at all. No character is so good that has not a flaw or an inclination to bias, prejudice or injustice. And very few are so evil that we condemn them without remission. I love the Baltar character: the guy is weak, mean, a coward and absolutely selfish, but you'll find yourself often feeling
compassion or even sympathy towards him.

Don't think about realism here, just do the leap of faith necessary to get yourself into the series, and enjoy this really well-thought alternate universe -not much unlike Tolkien's worlds.

Both food for fun and thinking, that's a nice product. And Olmos is a great actor.

Bearcat99
11-29-2007, 05:31 PM
Originally posted by Ploughman:
Tigh's a Cylon? No way. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif

You didn't know... ? Get this... so's the chief.

I agree 100% with you A..

Wepps... to each his own.. it's a good thing we have remotes http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Dux... I feel you too.. but hey man.. it's science fiction... emphasis on fiction.

Tooz_69GIAP
11-29-2007, 05:43 PM
Originally posted by Bearcat99:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Ploughman:
Tigh's a Cylon? No way. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif

You didn't know... ? Get this... so's the chief.
</div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Bear, come on, that's not funny!! Some of us ain't got to the end of season 3 yet!!!! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif

Bearcat99
11-29-2007, 05:47 PM
My lips are sealed... there are more.... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Divine-Wind
11-29-2007, 07:22 PM
WELL STOP TALKING FOR TOASTERS' SAKES

TheGozr
11-29-2007, 07:42 PM
Bear IS a cylon... I'm sure of it...........

Wepps
11-29-2007, 08:30 PM
Originally posted by Divine-Wind:
WELL STOP TALKING FOR TOASTERS' SAKES

Now see, I'd buy one of those.

Give me an old Cylon helmet converted into an actual toaster, eye roaming back and forth and all, and you have the win.

Better ideas than coming from those writers that's for sure...

Korolov1986
11-29-2007, 09:03 PM
Originally posted by Wepps:
Now see, I'd buy one of those.

Give me an old Cylon helmet converted into an actual toaster, eye roaming back and forth and all, and you have the win.

Better ideas than coming from those writers that's for sure...

I tried mounting some LEDs on my toaster like that once, but the bread that came out dehydrated and lightly burned didn't even look like Number 6. I feel ripped off.

roybaty
11-29-2007, 09:45 PM
Hmmm Number 6, (droool) oh wait wasn't Patrick McGoohan Number Six to, eeeewwww!!!

Oh wait different series. Wonder if there is some sorta message/connection, hmmm?

ploughman
11-30-2007, 03:32 AM
SPOILERS-

Now I thought the whole All Along the Watchtower thing was those guys communing with Starbuck, not the Cylons. Starbuck having been to Earth and, you know, put it on her ipod, so to speak. Have I totally missed the point here?

M_Gunz
11-30-2007, 03:41 AM
Are they gonna show the part where Starbuck goes into the time warp into his past and....
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start a line of coffee shops?

Kurfurst__
11-30-2007, 03:45 AM
Originally posted by Bearcat99:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Ploughman:
Tigh's a Cylon? No way. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif

You didn't know... ? Get this... so's the chief.
</div></BLOCKQUOTE>

It`s called a spoiler and it`s basically ruining the others guys fun if they had not seen it yet...

Suffice to say, the last few minutes of Season 3`s last Episode makes you just http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif ... Season 4 is going to be as fun that`s for sure.

(But who`s the 5th..? I`ve got at least two greeat candidates for that title, but it`s masterfully clouded by the minds behind BSG.

ploughman
11-30-2007, 03:49 AM
Originally posted by M_Gunz:
Are they gonna show the part where Starbuck goes into the time warp into his past and....
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start a line of coffee shops?

Starbuck's a girl. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/winky.gif

Billy_BigBoy
11-30-2007, 04:38 AM
Originally posted by Korolov1986:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Wepps:
Now see, I'd buy one of those.

Give me an old Cylon helmet converted into an actual toaster, eye roaming back and forth and all, and you have the win.

Better ideas than coming from those writers that's for sure...

I tried mounting some LEDs on my toaster like that once, but the bread that came out dehydrated and lightly burned didn't even look like Number 6. I feel ripped off. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Throw a toaster in a bath full of soup, that's where number 6 comes from.. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/1072.gif

bigbossmalone
11-30-2007, 04:52 AM
Originally posted by Ploughman:


Starbuck's a girl. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/winky.gif

yeah, that bugs me though - in the original BSG, Starbuck was a guy - Him and Apollo were 'the fighter jocks'
how did Starbuck become a girl in the new series? I musta missed a lot along the way...

MEGILE
11-30-2007, 04:59 AM
http://dark.pri.ee/gossip/wp-content/uploads/2007/01/tricia-helfer.jpg

Cylon this, noobs!

Wepps
11-30-2007, 05:40 AM
Originally posted by bigbossmalone:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Ploughman:


Starbuck's a girl. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/winky.gif

yeah, that bugs me though - in the original BSG, Starbuck was a guy - Him and Apollo were 'the fighter jocks'
how did Starbuck become a girl in the new series? I musta missed a lot along the way... </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

My guess is that they intended to write in hot secks between starbuck and apollo, lacking any other ideas, and eventually the producer said...

"Okay we can't do that unless we make Starbuck a broad."

Bearcat99
11-30-2007, 06:35 AM
Originally posted by Wepps:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by bigbossmalone:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Ploughman:


Starbuck's a girl. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/winky.gif

yeah, that bugs me though - in the original BSG, Starbuck was a guy - Him and Apollo were 'the fighter jocks'
how did Starbuck become a girl in the new series? I musta missed a lot along the way... </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

My guess is that they intended to write in hot secks between starbuck and apollo, lacking any other ideas, and eventually the producer said...

"Okay we can't do that unless we make Starbuck a broad." </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Sort of a BrokeBackallactica huh... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/34.gif LMAO

I think it was a nice touch... that was one reason why it took me so long to get into the series.. I thought it was just going to be another T&A fest in space.. but it isnt. And this Starbuck? She'd make a great friend.. but .. hard as nails man.. hard as nails and cols as ice.. She had some moments though when she cracked.. In fact most of the people there are hard... they are soldiers... even president Roslyn... that is one tough lady.. She was originally the secretary of Education.. but when the war broke out everybody else was killed and she was the one up... and she is so far doing the job very well..

Billy_BigBoy
11-30-2007, 07:03 AM
Originally posted by Bearcat99:
I think it was a nice touch... that was one reason why it took me so long to get into the series.. I thought it was just going to be another T&A fest in space.. but it isnt. And this Starbuck? She'd make a great friend.. but .. hard as nails man.. hard as nails and cols as ice..

And a great smile... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/inlove.gif

berg417448
11-30-2007, 08:37 AM
Originally posted by Ploughman:
SPOILERS-

Now I thought the whole All Along the Watchtower thing was those guys communing with Starbuck, not the Cylons. Starbuck having been to Earth and, you know, put it on her ipod, so to speak. Have I totally missed the point here?


You are asking for a big spoiler here! I'm not going to ruin it for everyone...lets just say that for Season 4 your understanding about what a Cylon is will change. You don't know what you think you know about them....at least where the "5" are concerned. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

mortoma
11-30-2007, 09:23 AM
What is all this fuss about?? I remember the old series, is there a new one?? You must realize, I watch almost no TV and this has been the case since 2004 or so.

Oh by the way, this topic is more off topic than my Area 51 thread was. But my thread was locked. At least Area 51 is a real place in which they fly real aircraft. And from my more recent undestanding, threads concerning aircraft in general should be ok. But BSG does not concern real anything, total fiction. So here we have a double standard problem. BC's thread is OK because he's a mod and other mods would dare not lock it!! So a mod can start a thread about anything but I cannot. Very interesting.......

crucislancer
11-30-2007, 09:37 AM
Originally posted by mortoma:
What is all this fuss about?? I remember the old series, is there a new one?? You must realize, I watch almost no TV and this has been the case since 2004 or so.

Oh by the way, this topic is more off topic than my Area 51 thread was. But my thread was locked. At least Area 51 is a real place in which they fly real aircraft. And from my more recent undestanding, threads concerning aircraft in general should be ok. But BSG does not concern real anything, total fiction. So here we have a double standard problem. BC's thread is OK because he's a mod and other mods would dare not lock it!! So a mod can start a thread about anything but I cannot. Very interesting.......

Battlestar Galactica re-imagining (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battlestar_Galactica_%28re-imagining%29)

BSG mini-series (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battlestar_Galactica_%28TV_miniseries%29)

BSG TV series (2004) (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battlestar_Galactica_%282004_TV_series%29)

Note that these contain spoilers if you haven't watched the series. The first 2 seasons and the mini-series are available on DVD, the 3rd season should be available in the States in January I believe, but it's been released in the UK and Australia already.

I'm not going to comment about the thread locking. That would be off-topic. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/53.gif

Bo_Nidle
11-30-2007, 10:07 AM
I detested the original series. I thought it was a sub-par "kidified" cash-in of Star Wars and very rarely watched it. Effects were poor, acting poor, stories poor.So when this new incarnation came out I was not at all interested.

Then I caught one episode of season 2 out of boredom and it won me over immediately. I watched the rest of season 2 avidly cursing that I had come in halfway through.

So I bought the DVD of season 1 and the mini series and watched them in a weekend!

The carrier atmosphere is very well done. The space combat scenes are great. The ground combat scenes are excellent and surprisingly bloody. They remind me of Band of Brothers in style in some episodes, which is by no means a bad thing!

The effects are superb. The storyline is generally excellent with very adult themes being explored. I was a little disappointed with season 3 overall. It had a great beginning and was very brave to portray the new colony as a metaphor for the Iraq quagmire. I think those episodes were some of the best drama seen on TV ever! But then the rest of Season 3 slowed down and it frankly became a little tedious picking up towards the end again.

The writer Ron Moore was responsible for some of the more military based episodes of Star Trek TNG/Deep Space Nine and if I saw his name in the opening credits I knew it was likely to be a good episode.

I look forwards to season 4.

One thing that has bugged me about this version of BSG from the beginning though: Why do the Vipers not have some sort of Head Up Display??????? It could be projected onto the inside of the helmet visor.It would look very cool and be logical for the level of technology.

However there's no denying the Cylons are now easier on the eye!!! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/53.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/53.gif

http://dark.pri.ee/gossip/wp-content/uploads/2007/01/tricia-helfer.jpg

So young lady, you say everyone on my colony will die if I do?....hmmmm...ooooh alright then!....Let me just change my pyjama bottoms first though!

Bearcat99
11-30-2007, 10:45 AM
Originally posted by mortoma:
What is all this fuss about?? I remember the old series, is there a new one?? You must realize, I watch almost no TV and this has been the case since 2004 or so.

Oh by the way, this topic is more off topic than my Area 51 thread was. But my thread was locked. At least Area 51 is a real place in which they fly real aircraft. And from my more recent undestanding, threads concerning aircraft in general should be ok. But BSG does not concern real anything, total fiction. So here we have a double standard problem. BC's thread is OK because he's a mod and other mods would dare not lock it!! So a mod can start a thread about anything but I cannot. Very interesting.......

That is not true at all mortma.. I dont think this is OT at all.. if you read my original post... BSG is Sci Fi entertainment yes.. but as I said... there is the carrier link.. the whole brevity thing.. and to be truthfull the brevity in BSG is better than any I have seen in any movie anywhere.. so it is not as OT as you might think. You are just taking this personal. I am not sure who locked your Area 51 thread.. or even when it was locked.. maybe it was me.. I usually post in threads when I lock them.. but the two issues are not related so get off the double standard thing. You should check the show out and you will see what I am talking about.. If you reall want to see brevity in action on a non actual military venue then check out BSG.


The writer Ron Moore was responsible for some of the more military based episodes of Star Trek TNG/Deep Space Nine and if I saw his name in the opening credits I knew it was likely to be a good episode.


I didnt know that...

jarink
11-30-2007, 11:50 AM
Originally posted by Megile:
http://dark.pri.ee/gossip/wp-content/uploads/2007/01/tricia-helfer.jpg

Cylon this, noobs!

<span class="ev_code_yellow">OH...MY...GOODNESS...</span>

http://media.ubi.com/us/forum_images/gf-glomp.gif

There are poses and then there are poses!!

berg417448
11-30-2007, 11:54 AM
http://blog.sym-link.com/images/kropcentonset.jpg

berg417448
11-30-2007, 02:35 PM
Originally posted by Wepps:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Divine-Wind:
WELL STOP TALKING FOR TOASTERS' SAKES

Now see, I'd buy one of those.

Give me an old Cylon helmet converted into an actual toaster, eye roaming back and forth and all, and you have the win.

Better ideas than coming from those writers that's for sure... </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

"Who me? I'm just plugging in this toaster..."http://i117.photobucket.com/albums/o49/Berg417448/plugginginthistoaster.jpg

Bearcat99
11-30-2007, 03:25 PM
That whole thing with Baltar & 6 was just... so off the hook... Whoever thought of that was brilliant..

crucislancer
11-30-2007, 03:32 PM
Originally posted by berg417448:
"Who me? I'm just plugging in this toaster..."http://i117.photobucket.com/albums/o49/Berg417448/plugginginthistoaster.jpg


I just watched that episode the other night, "Tigh me up, Tigh me down". That scene was classic. "Just doing some exercises!"

Bearcat99
11-30-2007, 03:51 PM
Originally posted by berg417448:
http://blog.sym-link.com/images/kropcentonset.jpg

ROFLMAO!!!!! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif

fordfan25
11-30-2007, 07:59 PM
LOL

Korolov1986
11-30-2007, 08:36 PM
I'd imagine most of you fanatics already know this, but the guy who played Apollo on the 1980s BSG is the same dude who's playing Tom Zarek on the new series.

How bout that? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/winky.gif

Wepps
11-30-2007, 08:47 PM
Originally posted by Korolov1986:
I'd imagine most of you fanatics already know this, but the guy who played Apollo on the 1980s BSG is the same dude who's playing Tom Zarek on the new series.

How bout that? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/winky.gif

Yeah I noticed that.

I miss the Black and sober Colonel Tighe though http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Blottogg
12-01-2007, 02:36 AM
I had a couple of more thoughts to cement my status as an uber-geek:

- I agree with Wepps observation that realistic human behavior is replacing the idealistic polarization in much of sci-fi. It makes for a more complex, realistic environment for the writers to experiment in, but the "shades of gray" moves it away from escapist entertainment into heavier and more muddled moral messages. BC, nice analogy to WWII France. I'd like to think like Wepps, that in the face of complete gneocide we'd all band together, but I think you (and the writers) hit the nail on the head. Greed and altruism would still be in conflict. The Star Wars universe is at the other end of the spectrum, with the bad guys going so far as to helpfully wear black and follow the "dark side" of the force. Different messages, different types of entertainment.

- I also agree with M_Gunz that for various reasons, "hard SF" doesn't make it to the end product intact. From budget limits (ubiquitous artificial gravity, transporters, etc.), to technology disconnects in order to keep the show understandable to the lay audience (colloquial English, FTL drives combined with slug-thrower weapons), to filler plots ("who's sleeping with who this week" style soap-opera plots), there are lots of compromises made along the way. Kind of like flight sims... the more accessible you make it, the more hacked-off the hard-core can get (my pathetic attempt to keep this thread semi-relevant to the forum). I'd like to see a hard SF series centered around the 512th Orbital Fighter Squadron, flying faceted, teardrop shaped matt-black interceptors powered by ion sustainer drives, with fission engines for bursts of high acceleration, and armed with a variety of missiles, HPM and laser weaponry (even more "hard SF" than I-War was), but I'd be one of only three people watching it. It ultimately comes down to story, and how much disbelief you're willing to suspend in order to follow the story. BSG 2004 makes fewer demands on its audience in that regard than the original, and rewards with a richer story more true to human behavior, but it's still very much a compromise.

- Multiple story arcs seem to be the fashion for TV these days. Apparently "Lost" does this too, though I haven't watched it. The days of going to the Gangster planet this week, the Nazi planet next week, and the racist planet the week after that are gone. Apparently the writers (and audiences) feel multiple plot irons in the fire will hold our attentions better than a more linear plot. I agree with Wepps again though, in that at times the modern BSG has seemed to just add arc after arc, without ever tying one of them up. It got to the point where I wasn't able to keep up, and just wanted them to solve a problem or two before adding anything else.

- Even though I'm enjoying it, I sometimes get hung up on some of the series inconsistencies: Is creating a Cylon detector really that hard? If nothing else, pair up and film everyone having sex. Those folks with the line of glowing LED's down their spines get spaced. QED. There aren't that many models, everyone else will have a good time, and they'll be doing their patriotic duty to repopulate the species. I'm having a hard time accepting that the skin jobs are walking around with a subcutaneous light show, super-human strength and an interstellar transceiver in their noggins, but can't be picked out of a lineup with a standard physical. I know it's a writer's crutch to add tension and intrigue, I just wish there was a more elegant way of doing it. And perhaps the biggest writer's crutch in the genre, everybody can breed with everybody else. Whether it's Klingons and Humans, or Cylons and Humans, who knew our species was the galaxy's universal seed donor? I know it gives the writers a tool for lots of plot twists, but it also tends to drag the plot back towards soap-opera.

Blottogg
12-01-2007, 02:56 AM
Originally posted by Wepps:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Korolov1986:
I'd imagine most of you fanatics already know this, but the guy who played Apollo on the 1980s BSG is the same dude who's playing Tom Zarek on the new series.

How bout that? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/winky.gif

Yeah I noticed that.

I miss the Black and sober Colonel Tighe though http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Richard Hatch does a much better job this time around in my opinion, in a role with a lot more meat to it. It is neat that he's back to add a another connection to the original, without detracting anything from the new version.

I've also noticed that there seems to be a sci-fi specific pool of actors, who tend to rotate around to the various series and/or movies. Ben Browder (not on BSG),Edward James Olmos, Katie Sackhoff, Aaron Douglas, Grace Park, Lucy Lawless, all pop up more than once on the SciFi channel. I wonder if they've got their own union chapter or something?

The new Col. Tigh is another character that's gotten a lot more fleshed out this time around. He's the source of a lot of the plot arcs and conflicts, and sometimes I wish they'd ease off a bit to let me keep up, but you know the actor (Michael Hogan) is loving the role.

horseback
12-01-2007, 09:40 AM
I've been following this show since the miniseries, have all the released DVDs, and just generally love it.

As Bearcat has pointed out, the military end of it is fairly authentic in its 'feel', and the story lines are more than sufficient to hold my interest. Of course, if Rosie O'Donnel were playing the part of Number Six, the writers'd have to work a lot harder.

As for the mix of 'superscience' and the everyday military type hardware, I can accept the excuse that the Colonies' forces feared that the more computerized and/or digitized their technology got, the more vulnerable to Cylon takeover it would be. The very unevenness of its application adds to the authenticity for me.

After the Cylons' revolt, human civilization would have had to revert back to earlier modes of technology that they could use with some assurance, so the natural tendency would be to go back to tech that gave you a definite safety margin, and then gradually move up to more modern systems with greater built in security (as in the differences between Pegasus and Galactica). Essential systems that HAD to be made 'standalone', like artificial gravity (or 'inertial compensation generators') and the 'jump' or FTL systems would have been made secure from external tampering first, then sensors and weapons, and then they'd get around to replacing the sound powered phones.

So that part adds to the authenticity of it for me, as a long-time lover of space opera in its video, as well as written, forms.

In fact, I am currently working my way back (for something like the 4th time) through the Honor Harrington series by David Weber, which I highly recommend to scifi fans who love their Space Navy stuff. It'll give me my fix until Galactica returns to the small screen...

cheers

horseback

Wepps
12-01-2007, 09:49 AM
That's one thing it has, phenomenal acting. I can't say anything bad about any of the actors themselves.

The point is, we CAN make the world into a black and white, hard drawn lines, type of experience if we choose to. In fact if we are ever to get along we need to get past this new movement to demonize everyone that thinks differently than another, or appreciates things the speaker doesn't.

Smoking, religion, a few alcoholic beverages, hell even conservative leanings is NOT BAD. Get over it and go back to work.

Too much reliance on complex relationships is due to the late opinion that this is reality, but in fact I will always maintain that reality is what we make it.

I will not subscribe to the viewpoints of hollywood writers on the state of humanity.