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GreyFox5
09-13-2007, 09:27 AM
An American plane is the largest!

http://www.aerospaceweb.org/question/design/q0188.shtml

Just thought it was a cool statistic.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v476/GreyFox5/size-comparison.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v476/GreyFox5/H-4.jpg

Bewolf
09-13-2007, 09:37 AM
Nice site.

But what makes you think an american planes was the largest? Only plane I see that at least wins one category, that is wing span, is the Spruce Goose. By far not the only criteria obviously.

general_kalle
09-13-2007, 09:45 AM
id' say that biggest plane is the one with biggest Volume at all.
biggest size however its shaped.

isnt the Globemaster III in this competition?
thought that was one of the biggest planes

Choctaw111
09-13-2007, 09:46 AM
I have seen the Spruce Goose back when it was "on display" near the Queen Mary in California. I do not recognize the location in that photo. Where is it now and how did they get it there? Maybe I did hear about this but I just do not remember.

GreyFox5
09-13-2007, 09:50 AM
Really a wing span thing. I'm sure if the technology was there then the plane would have had a swept wing and jet engines.

Kind of a interesting comparison really not that the H-4 is a viable aircraft now.

ploughman
09-13-2007, 09:59 AM
Is there not one up in the Pacific Northwest?

GreyFox5
09-13-2007, 10:02 AM
Originally posted by Choctaw111:
I have seen the Spruce Goose back when it was "on display" near the Queen Mary in California. I do not recognize the location in that photo. Where is it now and how did they get it there? Maybe I did hear about this but I just do not remember.

Right you are. The H-4 was sold and a visionary in Oregon had it moved from California a few years ago.

Dxyflyr and I went for a visit this past August.

It's here now: http://sprucegoose.org/

Quick history about the plane:
http://www.aafo.com/goose/
The move -
Not long after Hughes death in 1976, efforts began to save and display the beautifully preserved flying boat. By 1980 it had been acquired by the California Aero Club and would be featured on the Long Beach, California waterfront. A specially designed building was constructed to house the giant. A popular tourist attraction, it seemed the Spruce Goose would be a permanent fixture at the southern California site beside Goleta Air Museum click to visit the famed luxury liner, Queen Mary: Enter the Disney Corporation ......In 1988 they acquired the company holding the lease on the exhibit......Mickey was now the landlord! After two years of what they considered less than exciting financial returns from the Spruce Goose exhibit, Disney decided to lose their financial "turkey". Plans for a theme park at the location were announced.......there was no provision for the old flying boat.......the Spruce Goose had been evicted! Disney was within it's rights, but may have lacked vision giving up this treasure so easily. This announcement brought about a mad scramble to save the one of a kind example of aviation history. There was talk of dismantling it, displaying parts in different sites across the country, this would have been a tragedy.

Dozens of locations across the U.S. were interested in hosting the aircraft but at this point the difficulty of moving something of this size and historic importance had to be considered. This is no small aircraft....if it were a building, it wouldn't be a small building! Now a second move was being forced on the old bird. Those involved in finding a new home for this large, and soon to be homeless artifact had their work cut out for them! The candidates for hosting the H-4 were narrowed to three locations, Oceanside, California Tourism Foundation, a firm in Tampa, Florida and Evergreen International Aviation in McMinnville, Oregon. Evergreen was chosen to to make a new permanent home in it's "to be built" Air Venture Museum. A key player in the decision to get the plane moved to the Oregon site was the president of the AirVenture Museum, long time Hughes associate and aviation pioneer Jack Real......The "Goose" would be among loyal friends again, at last!

Once it was decided the Goose would go north, the problems of moving an aircraft this size would have to be identified and dealt with. Weighing in at over 170,000 pounds, with a wing span of 320 feet and a tail towering over 80 feet above the ground, the project clearly would not be an easy one. Since flying it to Oregon was out of the question, (though I'm sure many of us would liked to have seen this!) disassembly for transport would be necessary. Some of the original team that built the flying boat were brought in to help in the mammoth project. With their guidance, a plan was carefully drawn to get it into manageable sections while keeping the structural integrity. Disassembly began on August 10, 1992. It would take more than a month to complete preparations for the move. Sections too large for overland transport were loaded onto a barge to be towed up the Pacific coast. Then inland via the Columbia and Willamette rivers. After a stop in Portland, continuing upriver to McMinnville, Oregon. The smaller parts, and this really *is* a relative term, were trucked north via Interstate-5. Many of us following the story of the move, had concerns about something of this historic value out on the Pacific at the beginning of the stormy season. To everyone's relief, the move went very well. The Sause Brothers tug Natoma, with her precious cargo, pulled alongside the seawall in Portland, Oregon on October 22, 1992. The final leg of the move to McMinnville, plagued with bad weather and unfavorable river levels for the next several months, was finally completed February 27, 1993. Towed the last few miles overland by powerful vehicles normally used for house moving, accompanied by much fanfare, the move to the temporary home for the beleaguered old flying boat was complete.

See the site at the beginning for more. Really a labor of love and a lot of Money to make this happen. It's a great museum and there building a second building for more planes!

HayateAce
09-13-2007, 10:02 AM
Goose FTW.

http://www.authentichistory.com/1950s/speeches/images/19471102_Spruce_Goose.jpg

josephs1959
09-13-2007, 10:07 AM
Just goes to show you what a obsessive-compulsive man with money can do when he puts his m-m-m-m-mind to something, I mean his mind to something,, HIS mind to something,,, his mind TO something,,, his MIND to something,,, HIS mind to something,,,,,his MIND to something,,,,,,his mind to SOMETHING,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

Cajun76
09-13-2007, 10:08 AM
Originally posted by general_kalle:
id' say that biggest plane is the one with biggest Volume at all.
biggest size however its shaped.

isnt the Globemaster III in this competition?
thought that was one of the biggest planes

C-5 Galaxy dwarfs the C-17. Globemaster is about the same cross-section fuselage, but the C-5 is much longer.

ploughman
09-13-2007, 10:15 AM
That's what it tells the ladies. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/winky.gif

BrotherVoodoo
09-13-2007, 10:49 AM
I believe the Goose is in McMinnville Oregon, about 20 miles from Salem.

Chris0382
09-13-2007, 11:27 AM
Growing up with the C5-A or C5-B in Marietta Georgia living next to Dobbins AFB (Atoka Drive), I still so no real equal to the C5 for what it can do.

Waldo.Pepper
09-13-2007, 02:30 PM
I have got to get in the car to visit the Goose. The urge is fast becoming overwhelming to me.

John_Pimlott
09-13-2007, 04:58 PM
Originally posted by josephs1959:
Just goes to show you what a obsessive-compulsive man with money can do when he puts his m-m-m-m-mind to something, I mean his mind to something,, HIS mind to something,,, his mind TO something,,, his MIND to something,,, HIS mind to something,,,,,his MIND to something,,,,,,his mind to SOMETHING,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

Easy for you to say!
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif

Taylortony
09-13-2007, 06:00 PM
But then the average passenger expects to fly further than a couple of hundred yards and more than once.......

If you are using the flight of the Goose as your datum, then this is the worlds largest aircraft http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/winky.gif

http://www.hovertrans.com/worlds_largest_hovercraft.htm

http://www.hovertrans.com/picts/worlds_largest_hovercraft.jpg

Bremspropeller
09-13-2007, 06:03 PM
C-5 Galaxy dwarfs the C-17. Globemaster is about the same cross-section fuselage, but the C-5 is much longer.


Yeah, and those TF-37 (?) engines whistle the sh1t out of you.

I saw one at LAX in '04 http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

BSS_CUDA
09-14-2007, 12:27 AM
the Goose is in McMinnville Oregon, just south of Portland, at the Evergreen aviation museum, about 45 minutes from my house, took a trip out there 2 summers ago. Excellent collection of aircraft. Spit,109,P-40,P-51,P-38L,F4U,B-17G,F6F all still in airworthy and flyable condition. here are some of my pics from that visit.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v129/CUDA97045/misc%20evergreen/DSCN3901.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v129/CUDA97045/misc%20evergreen/DSCN3909.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v129/CUDA97045/misc%20evergreen/DSCN3906.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v129/CUDA97045/misc%20evergreen/DSCN3908.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v129/CUDA97045/misc%20evergreen/DSCN3903.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v129/CUDA97045/misc%20evergreen/DSCN3904.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v129/CUDA97045/misc%20evergreen/DSCN3902.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v129/CUDA97045/misc%20evergreen/DSCN3900.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v129/CUDA97045/misc%20evergreen/DSCN3899.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v129/CUDA97045/misc%20evergreen/DSCN3898.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v129/CUDA97045/misc%20evergreen/DSCN3895.jpg

if you notice that in just about every pic there is a drip pan under the plane. still oiled for flight.
its well worth the visit if you have a full day. everything is under one roof, so you can stay out of the weather.

Sergio_101
09-14-2007, 02:15 AM
Evergreen is a awesome organaziation.
They have one of my old C-130's.
WC-130E 64-0552.
As far as I know it's still aoirworthy and flown often.
Last I heard it's for sale....;-(

But if huge is on the bill, this jewl is the clear winner.
Max takeoff weight makes it the worls champ of big, and also weird!
http://www.vincelewis.net/myimages11/ek-02.jpg
Mag gross TO weight is over 2,000,000 lbs.

And yes, it does fly.

Hughes HK1 is the largest wing span.

A-380 is the largest airliner, that's all.

AN-225 is the largest conventional aircraft.

Boeing 747 is the largest sucessful design to date.
Commercial success that is.

AN-224 and the Lockheed C-5 are indeed huge
but are military birds.

Funny thing, the history of super sized aircraft is mostly of failures.

Saunders Roe Princess flying boat.
Hughes Kaiser HK-1
Douglas B-19
Convair XC-99
Lockheed Constitution
ANT-20 Maxim Gorki
Boeing B-15
Witteman-Lewis XBNL-1 Barling Bomber
Bristol Brabazon......
Dornier X

The list goes on and on..... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Seems only very few super massive planes ever see success.
Really the only super massive plane to see commercial success
is the Boeing 747 (to date).
As to the A-380?

Time will tell.
Anyone old enough to remember the media blitz
about the Bristol brabazon?

Sergio

DKoor
09-14-2007, 03:28 AM
This all smells like another Russia vs Europe vs America thing.

Me dislike.

WOLFMondo
09-14-2007, 06:05 AM
Time to don some flame proof underpants.

Whirlin_merlin
09-14-2007, 07:56 AM
Of course the little known Hurricane Mk XXIX had a wing span of roughly 124.567345m housing 980 .303 mgs.

Bremspropeller
09-14-2007, 08:03 AM
Did they ever produce a LF XXIX ?

Whirlin_merlin
09-14-2007, 08:04 AM
Originally posted by Bremspropeller:
Did they ever produce a LF XXIX ?

Not it was thought that would just be too unfair on the Germans.

Bremspropeller
09-14-2007, 08:07 AM
I see http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/59.gif

josephs1959
09-14-2007, 09:02 AM
Originally posted by BSS_CUDA:
the Goose is in McMinnville Oregon, just south of Portland, at the Evergreen aviation museum, about 45 minutes from my house, took a trip out there 2 summers ago. Excellent collection of aircraft. Spit,109,P-40,P-51,P-38L,F4U,B-17G,F6F all still in airworthy and flyable condition. here are some of my pics from that visit. If I was there I couldn't resist the temptation of jumping into the cockpit of that Me-109.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v129/CUDA97045/misc%20evergreen/DSCN3901.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v129/CUDA97045/misc%20evergreen/DSCN3909.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v129/CUDA97045/misc%20evergreen/DSCN3906.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v129/CUDA97045/misc%20evergreen/DSCN3908.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v129/CUDA97045/misc%20evergreen/DSCN3903.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v129/CUDA97045/misc%20evergreen/DSCN3904.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v129/CUDA97045/misc%20evergreen/DSCN3902.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v129/CUDA97045/misc%20evergreen/DSCN3900.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v129/CUDA97045/misc%20evergreen/DSCN3899.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v129/CUDA97045/misc%20evergreen/DSCN3898.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v129/CUDA97045/misc%20evergreen/DSCN3895.jpg

if you notice that in just about every pic there is a drip pan under the plane. still oiled for flight.
its well worth the visit if you have a full day. everything is under one roof, so you can stay out of the weather.

DxyFlyr
09-14-2007, 11:43 AM
Originally posted by BSS_CUDA:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">its well worth the visit if you have a full day. everything is under one roof, so you can stay out of the weather. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Actually there are a couple new roofs there now. They are near completion of a second "hangar" that looks the same size as the original (that houses the Goose). I've no idea what is going in there. In between the two big buildings is a third that houses an IMAX theater. Greyfox and I saw a 3D IMAX movie on the Space Program in there. Really cool stuff.

Another fun thing we found were what looked like two or three Russian T-34 tanks parked out behind the big building. (See GreyFox's pic below) Also, some kind of Russian half track vehicles.

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y22/DxyFlyr/RussianT-34_03.jpg

Whirlin_merlin
09-14-2007, 12:01 PM
Originally posted by Whirlin_merlin:
Of course the little known Hurricane Mk XXIX had a wing span of roughly 124.567345m housing 980 .303 mgs.

Just if your interested the only MkXXIX to fly in the BoB was based at Duxford and flown by Douglas Bader. It was known by the code-name 'the Big Wing' and whilst few know the true story all good books covering the Battle refer to the controversy over the Big Wing's deployment.
Many have also stated that the pressure of flying the MkXXIX drove bader to hit the bottle. In fact some writters go as far as to say that he was completly legless for the remainder of the war, which seems a little harsh IMO.

VMF-214_HaVoK
09-14-2007, 01:04 PM
Of course the little known Hurricane Mk XXIX had a wing span of roughly 124.567345m housing 980 .303 mgs.


GTHOH, you serious? I must see some pics.

S!

VMF-214_HaVoK
09-14-2007, 01:07 PM
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v129

Flyable?

Dtools4fools
09-16-2007, 07:51 AM
Yeah.
The Goose, the biggest airplane ever.

It 'flew' once, 1600m. Not 1600m altitude, but distance... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

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