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baronWastelan
05-07-2007, 09:20 PM
hello and S!

This is L.Z. I finally did a digital conversion of a recording at Duxford. If you want your own copy of what might be the earliest video of this famous A/C here's your chance:

Click to Download DuxfordDogfight.wmv (http://putstuff.putfile.com/77377/8508723)

BillyTheKid_22
05-07-2007, 09:39 PM
Howdy!! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif I did watch it!!!! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif Real Player video!!!

flox
05-07-2007, 09:41 PM
Great video mate. I love the sound of that Messerschmitt zooming around. Good watch. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

HayateAce
05-08-2007, 12:52 AM
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At 4:13 watch how much tighter the 2 Spits complete their loops than the 109. Everyone knows the Spit has turn on the Bif, but I didn't realize it was this bad!

Achtung Spitfire! Indeed.

TheGozr
05-08-2007, 01:09 AM
The video doesn't show well, very different angles and purposes.

Heliopause
05-08-2007, 02:30 AM
Thanks for posting! great video.

T_O_A_D
05-08-2007, 06:25 AM
Oh I hope it's still active by the time I get home to get it.

Dang work, has it blocked. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-mad.gif

baronWastelan
05-08-2007, 08:38 AM
I'm glad you guys liked it. It's a minor miracle that the tape was still OK after 14 years. I had to buy another 8mm camcorder because the original one wore out.

Xiolablu3
05-08-2007, 10:53 AM
Cool video.

I doubt the pilot is pushing the Me109 too hard because every Bf109 seems to crash very quickly.

Whereas the P51's and Spitfires all keep flying and get added too all the time resulting in lots flying, the Me109's seem to get one flying, she crashes, then another flying, she crashes and so on.


It is quite freaky how tight those two SPits turn in the vertical, near the end of the flick at 4:13s. One is a clipped wing also, its like a bat turn.

M_Gunz
05-08-2007, 12:54 PM
If you don't know the speeds and power settings and what the pilots decided BEFORE the show
then you might come away from that video with some very slanted ideas.

tigertalon
05-08-2007, 03:07 PM
Originally posted by HayateAce:
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At 4:13 watch how much tighter the 2 Spits complete their loops than the 109. Everyone knows the Spit has turn on the Bif, but I didn't realize it was this bad!


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At 4:13 watch how much higher the 109 managed to zoom than the spits. I knew 109 should be better, but never imagined it was that bad.

LStarosta
05-08-2007, 03:10 PM
Originally posted by tigertalon:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by HayateAce:
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif

At 4:13 watch how much tighter the 2 Spits complete their loops than the 109. Everyone knows the Spit has turn on the Bif, but I didn't realize it was this bad!




http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/clap.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif

At 4:13 watch how much higher the 109 managed to zoom than the spits. I knew 109 should be better, but never imagined it was that bad. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


At 1945 watch how much more war-winning the spits are compared to the 109. I knew the allies won, but never imagined it was that bad.

VW-IceFire
05-08-2007, 04:19 PM
Great work digitizing that video. Stuff like that is pretty timeless. It strikes me that the 109G-2 doesn't sound all that different than the E-3 I've seen (with DB engine). The thing I really noticed with this video...is the amount of exhaust smoke coming from the 109 as its nearing the bottom of a loop and going back up the other side. I guess the throttle is most of the way forward when they are doing that and the engine is just spitting out the power.

T_O_A_D
05-08-2007, 05:14 PM
Yep I was going to mention how rich the 109 fuel mixture was too.

It didn't sound tched out though to me, so I'm not sure if it was actually full power or not.
I tend to believe it was not.

Great bit of film, so glad you saved it and shared it.

Manu-6S
05-09-2007, 09:00 AM
I see that after the Spits turn left to chase the 109 (who doesn't have so much energy, look at his previous manouvre) he can still extend in a smooth dive. They don't seem accelerate like our spits after the turn, they don't gain energy so faster. You can cleary see it gaining space.

The same for the loop: I always though that turning advantage of the spits (more drag) couldn't let them reach the altitude of the small bf109, and in the film it seems so.

I stand firmer in my believe about oleg's spit.

KIMURA
05-09-2007, 02:14 PM
Originally posted by T_O_A_D:
Yep I was going to mention how rich the 109 fuel mixture was too.
It didn't sound tched out though to me, so I'm not sure if it was actually full power or not.
I tend to believe it was not.
Great bit of film, so glad you saved it and shared it.

The DB600serie was a little smoky in RL. AFAIK both 109ers I saw in RL (the later crashed Red 7 (109G-4) and the 109G-6 of the Messerschmitt Foundation) trailed a very very thin smoke track during their flying display.

About the above mentioned turning ability of the 109. Did one of you ever saw the slats engaged in that Duxford display?? Also keep in mind that the 109 on display is flown with only 80% out of the possible maximum - just to prevent engine from damage(a 109 pilot of the Messersschmitt Foundation told me so). Original DB engines and replacement parts are very hard to get. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

BTW if you get the chance to see an orignal 109 on flying display with orginal engine - take it. It's a real experience, even for 109 haters. Nothing sounds better than a DB605. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif