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ThreeCrow
12-30-2004, 12:36 PM
Top five reasons to fly the I-16

#5: The look of it does tend to grow on you. When I first saw a picture of it (as a kid) in something titled "Aircraft Spotters Handbook", I thought it was the butt-ugliest plane I ever saw (but I loved the P-38 and Corsair). It got pretty though and there are a young ton of skins available at Il2skins to make it even prettier.

#4: I know how to get the gear up and how to commence a dive (and how to do an air re-start if I screw up).

#3: It is reasonably fast and agile (save for a viscious stall), it is a fairly stable gun platform and carries good quantities of ammunition (plus cannon with the Type 24). It doesn't get "Happy Feet" when taxiing.

#2: It had a long combat history and I can fly it as any nationality in several theaters from the Spanish Civil War to the Eastern Front to China against the Japanese. In these places I can also fly a great variety of mission types. It's historical importance is pervasive and engenders a deep sense of immersion and historical importance (often desperation).

....and the number one reason?

#1: I can't recall any hundred post threads argueing uber or porked flight characteristics or damage model or the ability to launch from a static carrier or yellow stains on the canopy (there is no canopy).

There are more... you could post your favorites if you care to.

Cheers

ThreeCrow
12-30-2004, 12:36 PM
Top five reasons to fly the I-16

#5: The look of it does tend to grow on you. When I first saw a picture of it (as a kid) in something titled "Aircraft Spotters Handbook", I thought it was the butt-ugliest plane I ever saw (but I loved the P-38 and Corsair). It got pretty though and there are a young ton of skins available at Il2skins to make it even prettier.

#4: I know how to get the gear up and how to commence a dive (and how to do an air re-start if I screw up).

#3: It is reasonably fast and agile (save for a viscious stall), it is a fairly stable gun platform and carries good quantities of ammunition (plus cannon with the Type 24). It doesn't get "Happy Feet" when taxiing.

#2: It had a long combat history and I can fly it as any nationality in several theaters from the Spanish Civil War to the Eastern Front to China against the Japanese. In these places I can also fly a great variety of mission types. It's historical importance is pervasive and engenders a deep sense of immersion and historical importance (often desperation).

....and the number one reason?

#1: I can't recall any hundred post threads argueing uber or porked flight characteristics or damage model or the ability to launch from a static carrier or yellow stains on the canopy (there is no canopy).

There are more... you could post your favorites if you care to.

Cheers

p1ngu666
12-30-2004, 02:17 PM
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif
i love the way it flies, its looks, and the way it can take the fight to the elitest snobby lw fliers (not all lw fliers are elitest, or snobby by any means). and win.

its like the prewar ak47 in many ways http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

NorrisMcWhirter
12-30-2004, 02:20 PM
Hi,

I quite like the I-16 and I am an elitist snobby LW flier. You're a dead man if the other guy has some pals or knows what he is doing but it's certainly a fun plane to fly. Not to mention the fact that the cannons and mgs tear 109s a new one in no time at all + rockets make short work of Ju87s and He111s.

In short, it's a wonder the VVS needed anything else http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Cheers,
norris

Friendly_flyer
12-30-2004, 03:21 PM
My no 1 Reason:

The little bugger has a no-nonsense look and feel that I can't help liking. You can almost smell the bad gasoline, rust, oil, sooth and dusty Russian plains when you start the mission!

... and the 20mms are great!

LStarosta
12-30-2004, 03:34 PM
I can't help but to look at it like it were a "baby-Jug".

ThreeCrow
12-30-2004, 03:49 PM
..... and I forgot to mention that, when first operational, it was the fastest and most advanced fighter in the world.

PBNA-Boosher
12-30-2004, 04:18 PM
DUH!!!!!!

It's cute and cuddly as hell but bites like the Rabbit in Monty Python and the Quest for the Holy Grail!

Agamemnon22
12-30-2004, 06:08 PM
Aye she's a fun little plane to whip around. I load her up in QMB sometimes when I need a break. Took out 4 B29s and 4 B25's yesterday. Unlim ammmo http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

SeaFireLIV
12-30-2004, 06:36 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by ThreeCrow:

#1: I can't recall any hundred post threads argueing uber or porked flight characteristics or damage model

Cheers <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Oh HO!

You weren`t here a year or so ago then when the I16 appeared in FB (It was also in IL2 as an add-on). Boy, did it get torn to pieces by the, yes, Luftwhiners.

"Oleg the I16 Accelerates too well! Too tough! It doesn`t suffer neg-g! never stalls! etc,
etc,etc..."

Gradually over the months the I16 developed:

1. Conking out engine when you dived. (Big shock when that happened!
2. Stall characteristics!
3. Egg shell armour! Another shock!
4. Struggles at altitude and gaining it.
5. Even easier to get shot in the head in its open cockpit.

Man, the I16 was one aircraft that was crucified under the deluge of Luftwaffe complaints!

But it`s still here, bloodied, but unbowed and still kicking BUTT!

(p.s. To be fair, the changes did make the I16 more realistic and more historical in general so the Luftwhiners were actually a benefit, though I wouldn`t have believed it at the time! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif )

p1ngu666
12-30-2004, 06:41 PM
ya the engine floods really easily now http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif

ThreeCrow
12-30-2004, 08:46 PM
I was here under a different sig. I "think" I rememner flying the I-16 in the original Il2.... but I could well be wrong (wouldn't be the first time). Perhaps there always were and will always be whines.

When Annie Frelling Oakly blasts me royal from the tail of a Betty, I whine to myself then vow never to come in from that direction again.

I am surprised (and a bit pleased) that some figured the I-16 to be "uber" enough to whine about. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

That be greatest aspect of this whole series of sims..... something for near everyone.

Just thinking... I am probably nuts (wife would think so) but I have not flown all of the flyable aircraft in any version of Il2. I actually ptrfer early conflict "cr@p" planes.

Was more important then... in the early war..... was crucial.

Cheers and Happy New Year

LEXX_Luthor
12-30-2004, 09:59 PM
I~16 is my second Fave plane in FB (after MiG~3) but I could NEVER use the original FB 1.0 I~16 in missions either as Player or AI because it totally Dominated even 1944 missions.

Put it like this. In FB 1.0, the I~16 could outlcimb Bf~109 K4 (but then so could Bf~109 Email -- although LuftWhiners didn't post about Email though).

Running some old DM tests, I set AI "enemy" Me~323 with cannon gunners to land on "friendly" runway and park next to the takeoff roll point. All FB aircraft got flamed in seconds when they spawned ... except ... I~16. They started engines, warmed up, and took off while being hit point blank range by 20mm cannon fire for 2 minutes. A few times an I~16 developed fuel leaks but they all took off.

Not just offline ... that little Tubbie was the headache of teh whole FB internet dogfighter nursery -- 1939 plane was BANNED from 1945 servers.

VOL_Hans
12-31-2004, 12:07 AM
And to some extent it is still a flying tank.

Last mission flown had one particular AI I-16 Type24 take 45-60 rounds of 151/20 (Still nerfed!), shoot down a flight of four 109G-2's, followed by two 109E's...

Need I say more? But, atleast it's been made more realistic for humans to fly, the AI still UFO's it...

TheGozr
12-31-2004, 04:01 AM
I just Love the baby.

LEXX_Luthor
12-31-2004, 05:57 AM
We hear ya VOL. Sit in Bf~109 cockpit and turn on AI autopilot and you see it uses not the best tactics against I~16.

Actually, I am getting blown out of the sky by AI Bf~109 Emails coming up from behind me in a large dogfight and I don't see them. That's what I love about large furballs, too many targets to track for you to take advantage of AI faults, different than the 1 vs 1 match.

I adjust AI skill levels to help make Bf~109s more competitive when needed.

Also, when it was designed, I~16 was the ultimate BnZ plane, to be used in concert with TnB I~15/I~152/I~153 biplane series. No internet dogfighter flying Noob 1944 planes knows about this Secret of History though. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

SeaFireLIV
12-31-2004, 09:07 AM
Yea, the I16 was wrong when out-of-the-box, but at the time I was still naive enough to think that if it`s in the sim, it must be accurate... which it wasn`t. Same for the Hurri too.

I`m glad for the changes and I`ve (to my own surprise) adapted to all of them. So thanx to the Lufty-boys.

The one thing they can`t change is it`s size, many times I`ve escaped being shot down cos the Human fighter can`t hit me with my smaller profile.

So the I16 doesn`t need making weaker, you just need to aim better. I`ve been blown out of the sky in the first dive of a B&Z 109 in VEF more than once... And that`s pretty realistic!

horseback
12-31-2004, 10:47 AM
You forgot one of the best reasons for flying the I-16--it fits under all those beautiful arched bridges in Leningrad! I made myself a mission where I fly under every bridge I can identify in the Leningrad metropolitan area, and when I'm sick of my AI wingmen stealing my kills, frustrated by that one campaign mission where it seems as tho everything is scripted to kill me, or just feel like sight-seeing, I take up 'Little Sasha' for a nice relaxing spin through wintry Leningrad at 5 meters.

It's saved me from more than one hangover...

cheers

horseback

p1ngu666
12-31-2004, 10:52 AM
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif @ hans getting owned by i16 http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

ThreeCrow
01-01-2005, 11:30 AM
I Stand corrected on # one (I guess I missed the "uber" whine).... so, new # one reason: The image that I use for me is "Rasputin" which I downloaded quite some time ago (I don't recall the author but thank you) wife says I resemble Rasputin (unfortunately just in terms of the beard). A pilot with a full beard looks quite at home in an I-16 but put that face in a Wildcat, he looks like he just stole it.

JR_Greenhorn
01-02-2005, 01:06 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by ThreeCrow:
A pilot with a full beard looks quite at home in an I-16 but put that face in a Wildcat, he looks like he just stole it. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>I've been reading various forums on and off all day, and that, sir, is the funniest thing I have seen!
Thank you!

knightflyte
01-02-2005, 01:51 AM
What JR said............

regards,
Robert

Fish6891
01-02-2005, 09:31 AM
Where is Sir.Robin? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif