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Jetdoc_5th
10-07-2004, 05:34 AM
this no means at all to start any arugments.I know I have stirred the pot in here about Flyable Bombers before but the the Final Plane list seems a whole lot less or more still trying to figure it out from the other one seems some planes are left out then there are new ones we have not seen in the list before and rumor control has seen some mention in print from Oleg of Heavy's being flyable so can some help with confusion or so to speak can we get it straight from the horse's mouth

Aeronautico
10-07-2004, 06:09 AM
PF will be patched soon after release.
Lots of gooddies there, included planes that had to be in the release but there was not spece enogh on the CD's... (sic http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif)

EDIT: seen the list. maybe "lots" is not appropriate. Also, no "heavy" (4 engines) was announced, but several 2 engines should make for them, no? Also, e 4 engine is very little practical in such relatively small maps anyway.

HamishUK
10-07-2004, 06:17 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Aeronautico:
PF will be patched soon after release.
Lots of gooddies there, included planes that had to be in the release but there was not spece enogh on th CD's... (sic http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif) <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Nothing to do with space. More like the time for release did not coincide with the finished models.

The original plane list was 'never' confirmed. The patches are the one to look out for..be sure http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif

609IAP_Recon
10-07-2004, 06:22 AM
really? not enough space on the cd's?

never heard that one before - so, I assume the download will be made available very soon then, since they are complete, just not on the CD?

Or is the real reason that they are not done yet and need to be completed?

Guess we'll see on how long it takes to give a download link...

Aeronautico
10-07-2004, 06:27 AM
So Oleg said Hamish...

VW-IceFire
10-07-2004, 07:08 AM
Oleg said that there wasn't enough room on the CD's for everything that they wanted. They would need 3-4 CD's instead of 2. That increases costs...so it wasn't done.

I mentioned that the Internet is increasingly becoming a distribution medium anyways. Oleg even replied to that agreeing. So yes that is the issue mostly...

We also brought up DVD's...which he figured would be mainstream for release in a couple of years. In the meantime, CD's are still the way to go.

JG53Frankyboy
10-07-2004, 07:26 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by 609IAP_Recon:
really? not enough space on the cd's?

never heard that one before - so, I assume the download will be made available very soon then, since they are complete, just not on the CD?

Or is the real reason that they are not done yet and need to be completed?

Guess we'll see on how long it takes to give a download link... <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums?q=Y&a=tpc&s=400102&f=26310365&m=3351082422

Obi_Kwiet
10-07-2004, 07:55 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by HamishUK:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Aeronautico:
PF will be patched soon after release.
Lots of gooddies there, included planes that had to be in the release but there was not spece enogh on th CD's... (sic http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif) <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Nothing to do with space. More like the time for release did not coincide with the finished models.

The original plane list was 'never' confirmed. The patches are the one to look out for..be sure http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

You are wrong. oleg said him-self that there wasn't enough room on 2 CDs.

MEGILE
10-07-2004, 08:00 AM
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif i think this one deserves a

"You is wrong. Be sure"

luthier1
10-07-2004, 09:23 AM
In general I would highly recommend not to trust rumors too much. Even if you asked me a month ago which planes we'll have in the release I wouldn't be able to answer with 100% certainty.

Regarding flyable heavies, B-29 has been in the works for quite some time. B-17 and B-24 - I'm really hoping at least one of those will accompany the B-29 when it's released.

And regarding planes which had been mentioned before, but didn't make the release, what can I say. We're shipping with almost 3 times as many new planes as we ever expected to have completed in the time we had. We also have almost two dozen other planes in various stages of development, and we don't plan to stop there.

We have an excellent track record when it comes to adding lots of new content to our sims absolutely free of charge. We plan to do even more with PF. While before you mostly just got new planes, with PF you'll be getting new ships including whole new carrier classes, new maps, new nations with new career types, and more. I don't think there are ANY other developers like us anywhere in the world that continue to expand, and not just patch up and fix, their products for free long after the release.

The release version offers an incredible amount of varied gameplay. I'm sure there's more than enough to keep most people entertained until more content is released in the future.

Capt._Tenneal
10-07-2004, 09:37 AM
You don't have to justify yourself here Luthier, I hear 'ya.

With BOB still several years away, I'm sure PF will have as long a life as IL2 has. And it will continue to evolve as time allows. Yes, the PF that will be released in the coming weeks will be "incomplete" in the sense that the original IL2 was "incomplete" compared to IL2-FB-AEP as we have it now.

wuggle85
10-07-2004, 09:40 AM
hey luthier id be really greatfully if you could awnser this question

will there be more flyable b25's in later patch also are we still getting the p60 black widow?
thanx

firehttp://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/784.gifstarter

luthier1
10-07-2004, 09:54 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by wuggle85:
will there be more flyable b25's in later patch also are we still getting the p60 black widow?
thanx <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Certainly want to have as many sub-versions of existing planes as humanly possible. This includes the B-25s, A-20s, Beaufighters and all other flyable bombers.

P-61 Black Widow? Probably only as AI in any foreseable future. Flyable nightfighters are a huge undertaking that needs much more than just a new plane model and a cockpit.

KAMI_1
10-07-2004, 10:00 AM
hmmmmhmhmmmhmm dummdidummmm


only wait for a call ! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/10.gif

fordfan25
10-07-2004, 10:01 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by luthier1:
In general I would highly recommend not to trust rumors too much. Even if you asked me a month ago which planes we'll have in the release I wouldn't be able to answer with 100% certainty.

Regarding flyable heavies, B-29 has been in the works for quite some time. B-17 and B-24 - I'm really hoping at least one of those will accompany the B-29 when it's released.

And regarding planes which had been mentioned before, but didn't make the release, what can I say. We're shipping with almost 3 times as many new planes as we ever expected to have completed in the time we had. We also have almost two dozen other planes in various stages of development, and we don't plan to stop there.

We have an excellent track record when it comes to adding lots of new content to our sims absolutely free of charge. We plan to do even more with PF. While before you mostly just got new planes, with PF you'll be getting new ships including whole new carrier classes, new maps, new nations with new career types, and more. I don't think there are ANY other developers like us anywhere in the world that continue to expand, and not just patch up and fix, their products for free long after the release.

The release version offers an incredible amount of varied gameplay. I'm sure there's more than enough to keep most people entertained until more content is released in the future. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

well said man.thats one thing i can say about f.b http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

actionhank1786
10-07-2004, 10:07 AM
So Luthier are you saying you hope to have those planes (B-29, B-24 etc.) flyable in the retail release or with a Later patch? 'cause if it's the retail release, that should shut up a good handfull of whiners, the "heavies whiners" and the "There isnt enough stuff on this CD why hasnt Oleg burned my personal copy yet?" whiners too.
That's like 10 cockpits just for one plane.
Sheesh people these days
Anyways, Luthier thank you and the entire PF crew for all your hard work.
And for making me sleep like a baby thinking of the day this game comes out http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif

MEGILE
10-07-2004, 10:07 AM
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif to Oleg, luthier and the team... not only do you give us the best flight sims in the world, you give us free regular patches expanding the game further...

Regarding the B-29.. i KNOW that is going to put a simle on a lot of faces around here... Bravo. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

olaleier
10-07-2004, 10:15 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by luthier1:
...B-29...B-17...B-24... <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v30/olaleier/emot-hydrahump.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/heart.gif http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v30/olaleier/emot-hydrahump.gif

actionhank1786
10-07-2004, 10:48 AM
are those fire hydrants? And are they humping air?

olaleier
10-07-2004, 11:05 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by actionhank1786:
are those fire hydrants? And are they humping air? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yes, why?

lkemling
10-07-2004, 11:11 AM
Luthier
First of all may I say thanks to you and the team for all your hard work,My wife still has'nt figured out why I'm tossin' and turnin' at night and mumbling about traps going wrong.
Only question I have is will the B5N2 Kate ever be flyable?

Yellonet
10-07-2004, 11:19 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by luthier1:
In general I would highly recommend not to trust rumors too much. Even if you asked me a month ago which planes we'll have in the release I wouldn't be able to answer with 100% certainty.

Regarding flyable heavies, B-29 has been in the works for quite some time. B-17 and B-24 - I'm really hoping at least one of those will accompany the B-29 when it's released.

And regarding planes which had been mentioned before, but didn't make the release, what can I say. We're shipping with almost 3 times as many new planes as we ever expected to have completed in the time we had. We also have almost two dozen other planes in various stages of development, and we don't plan to stop there.

We have an excellent track record when it comes to adding lots of new content to our sims absolutely free of charge. We plan to do even more with PF. While before you mostly just got new planes, with PF you'll be getting new ships including whole new carrier classes, new maps, new nations with new career types, and more. I don't think there are ANY other developers like us anywhere in the world that continue to expand, and not just patch up and fix, their products for free long after the release.

The release version offers an incredible amount of varied gameplay. I'm sure there's more than enough to keep most people entertained until more content is released in the future. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
I always believed this would be the case... but, http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif <span class="ev_code_RED">THANK YOU ALL</span> http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif

Arm_slinger
10-07-2004, 12:18 PM
Excellent info Luther http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif. Many thanks for your efforts

geetarman
10-07-2004, 12:54 PM
Thanks Luthier and all that were involved in this project! I can't wait to get it!

As for future patches, any hope of getting an early P-38? Please.

RedDeth
10-07-2004, 03:08 PM
ive said it once ill say it again.

ALL HAIL LUTHIER SAVIOR OF ALL WE HOLD DEAR

Waldo.Pepper
10-07-2004, 03:22 PM
Luthier (Oleg everyone) very very impressive! Thank you!

But I have just one question if you don't mind.

What was your secret project we heard so much about so long ago?



.
http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

VW-IceFire
10-07-2004, 03:52 PM
Thanks to Luthier for coming in here and saying that!

I've been stressing that the final release list isn't necessarily the end and that is very good confirmation. We're a demanding bunch I guess...don't let it get you down...we love every minute of it http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

huggy87
10-07-2004, 04:08 PM
Great job Luthier and team! I cannot wait to play it.

Freycinet
10-07-2004, 04:40 PM
I can only say, ****', sweet news! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Any whiners should begin to shut up now, we're getting SO much in PF. In the release and later!

...you gotta admire Luthiers way of shutting up the critics...

Aztek_Eagle
10-07-2004, 06:16 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Aeronautico:
PF will be patched soon after release.
Lots of gooddies there, included planes that had to be in the release but there was not spece enogh on the CD's... (sic http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif)

EDIT: seen the list. maybe "lots" is not appropriate. Also, no "heavy" (4 engines) was announced, but several 2 engines should make for them, no? Also, e 4 engine is very little practical in such relatively small maps anyway. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

it wont be soon afther realese thanks to the whinners.... it happened with Ace Expansion pack so called soon afther realse patch, the whinner complained so bad about so issues wiht the game that the patch was delayed how long?....... so good thing would be for the whinners to shut their pile hole till we get the so called again soon afther realese patch.... then whinners do ur importand job of whinning to get some thing s fixed, and several others screwed up because of ur whinning

Aztek_Eagle
10-07-2004, 06:18 PM
for example.... p39? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif

TC_Stele
10-07-2004, 07:04 PM
Awesome, awesome. My bomber dreams are coming true. I'll be happy with whatever you throw out, Luthier, bombers or no bombers.

WUAF_Badsight
10-07-2004, 09:47 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by luthier1:
And regarding planes which had been mentioned before, but didn't make the release, what can I say. We're shipping with almost 3 times as many new planes as we ever expected to have completed in the time we had. We also have almost two dozen other planes in various stages of development, and we don't plan to stop there. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

ummm . . . . . wow http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

WTE_Dukayn
10-07-2004, 10:46 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by actionhank1786:
are those fire hydrants? And are they humping air? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
What, that's not normal? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif

wayno7777
10-07-2004, 10:51 PM
Drool... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

Snyde-Dastardly
10-08-2004, 12:28 AM
B29,B24,B17,,,,Oh my!!!Dear God!!! If it really happens Ill poo myself! No bull 4 engine hard hitters! I thought it would never happen.
CARPE DIEM
Snyde

TheGozr
10-08-2004, 12:35 AM
Tried them all..... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

cd_jakevas
10-08-2004, 12:39 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by luthier1:
In general I would highly recommend not to trust rumors too much. Even if you asked me a month ago which planes we'll have in the release I wouldn't be able to answer with 100% certainty.

Regarding flyable heavies, B-29 has been in the works for quite some time. B-17 and B-24 - I'm really hoping at least one of those will accompany the B-29 when it's released.

And regarding planes which had been mentioned before, but didn't make the release, what can I say. We're shipping with almost 3 times as many new planes as we ever expected to have completed in the time we had. We also have almost two dozen other planes in various stages of development, and we don't plan to stop there.

We have an excellent track record when it comes to adding lots of new content to our sims absolutely free of charge. We plan to do even more with PF. While before you mostly just got new planes, with PF you'll be getting new ships including whole new carrier classes, new maps, new nations with new career types, and more. I don't think there are ANY other developers like us anywhere in the world that continue to expand, and not just patch up and fix, their products for free long after the release.

The release version offers an incredible amount of varied gameplay. I'm sure there's more than enough to keep most people entertained until more content is released in the future. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

thanks for the info. And thats the number one reason why I think IL2 is on top of flight sims. Not in 100 years would I except to hear that from any other developers. thanks again, oleg, luthier and team. http://members.cox.net/jakevas/nodandsmile.gif

actionhank1786
10-08-2004, 01:05 AM
so Luthier hasnt been back (I'm sure he's busy doing final prep work on PF, so i can forgive him http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif ) But i take it he ment those planes (B-17, 24,29) may be flyable.
I hope that's what he ment, because i've always wondered just how awesome it would be to have the B-24 in FB. Then i started thinking how cool it would be to have Oleg's attention to detail in the cockpit, gunners positions everything. Then i started thinking of doing ASW patrols in the B-24, sinking ships with it, dropping Mines, and i got really dizzy...
Mmmmmm Bombers
To Luthier and Oleg and the entire 1C development team
THANK YOU SO MUCH!!!

Lucky_Skunk
10-08-2004, 02:29 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by olaleier:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by actionhank1786:
are those fire hydrants? And are they humping air? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yes, why? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

what else would hydrants be humping? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif

olaleier
10-08-2004, 04:25 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Lucky_Skunk:


what else would hydrants be humping? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Dogs? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif

t0n.
10-09-2004, 03:55 AM
Thanks for your comments Luthier.

For me, personally, I would not mind if all future bombers were released without "usable" gunner positions. I know you've already set yourself that standard, but I've always found it kind of goofy swapping back and forth in a situation that's meant to be immersive.

If you left them out, and we got more bombers in the future as a result, I wouldn't miss them! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Thanks for all the work http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

jamesdietz
10-10-2004, 05:48 PM
I haven't read anywhere if the TBF will eventually be flyable - I do see various versions of it will be AI....