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lordluud21990
04-03-2009, 03:55 AM
Hi gents,

I thought i'd show my artwork here as well.

Introducing myself: 18 years young, male, and I live in Holland.

Some of the drawings have been made using a screenshot from IL2 as a reference. Works very good, especially for certain 'poses'.

Hope you like 'em.

It's all been drawn on A4 format paper with H to 3B pencils.

Oh yes, a question: Are there any skins available for IL2 Sturmovik (1946) where the aircraft are white, or another light color but only the panel lines highlighted in black? Like the Void.bmp skins in the game, but only with the panel lines highlighted better. This makes it a lot easier for me to draw all the panel lines. Now I can often barely see them http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a374/nicknaethuijs/IMG_1661.jpg
http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a374/nicknaethuijs/Scannen0132.jpg
http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a374/nicknaethuijs/Scannen0124-1.jpg
http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a374/nicknaethuijs/Scannen0096-1.jpg
http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a374/nicknaethuijs/Scannen0123.jpg
http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a374/nicknaethuijs/Scannen0122.jpg
http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a374/nicknaethuijs/Scannen0121.jpg
http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a374/nicknaethuijs/ddjpg.jpg
http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a374/nicknaethuijs/Scannen0119.jpg
http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a374/nicknaethuijs/Scannen0095.jpg
http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a374/nicknaethuijs/Scannen0084.jpg
http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a374/nicknaethuijs/Scannen0093.jpg
http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a374/nicknaethuijs/Scannen0094.jpg
http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a374/nicknaethuijs/Scannen0081.jpg
http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a374/nicknaethuijs/Scannen0078.jpg
http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a374/nicknaethuijs/Scannen0058.jpg
http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a374/nicknaethuijs/Scannen0074.jpg
http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a374/nicknaethuijs/Scannen0059.jpg
http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a374/nicknaethuijs/Scannen0068.jpg
http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a374/nicknaethuijs/Scannen0010.jpg
http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a374/nicknaethuijs/Scannen0064.jpg
http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a374/nicknaethuijs/Scannen0063.jpg

Feathered_IV
04-03-2009, 04:04 AM
Very fine work! The Jugs are particularly well done. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif

lordluud21990
04-03-2009, 04:06 AM
Thanks for the reply.

The jug is one of my all-time favorites http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Odirroh
04-03-2009, 04:40 AM
Thats amazing artwork!
Do you sell them or are they just for your pleasure?

Odirroh

blairgowrie
04-03-2009, 04:45 AM
Welcome to the Forum m8. Your work is absolutely magnificent!

FoolTrottel
04-03-2009, 05:15 AM
Brilliant stuff!


It's all been drawn on A4 format paper with H to 3B pencils.
It's amazing what one can achieve with such simple material and tooling... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

How long did it take to create the drawing of the second locomotive? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif


Are there any skins available for IL2 Sturmovik (1946) where the aircraft are white, or another light color but only the panel lines highlighted in black?
Winter-skins?
You could try and use image-editing software to highlight the panel lines, by changing contrast and such...

Here's and unedited shot, of a lighter skin, with panellines...
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v668/fooltrottel/MajAlbertCooleyonamission2-1.jpg

Here's an original and an edited example (just a rough one, if you know what you are doing image-editing wise, results can be better, I'm not really good at it)
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v668/fooltrottel/110-org.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v668/fooltrottel/110-edit.jpg

Have Fun!

lordluud21990
04-03-2009, 05:19 AM
Thanks for all the replies guys!

I do sell them. I am trying to become an aviation artist, though my airforce study (F-16 weapons engineer) comes first.

That winter skin screen looks good, they are nicely visible. I do edit them with some software, but you are still limited to what you can do with it.

And the locomotive took me 22 hours. A long time :P

Wildnoob
04-03-2009, 05:38 AM
SOBERB!

buddy, I don't have words about your skills in drawing. you are selling your work, can have sure that I would be a potential costumer. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

wish and it's obviosly that you gonna have magnific sucess in your life! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

blairgowrie
04-03-2009, 05:54 AM
I have been looking at your work again sir and you have an unique ability to bring everything to life. A true Dutch master!

Deedsundone
04-03-2009, 06:04 AM
Holy!Super nice pictures.In my eyes you Are an aviation artist.Envy your skills http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

gorillasika
04-03-2009, 06:29 AM
Very nice, I like the jets and the locomotives best.
You have skills, I wish you good luck!

lordluud21990
04-03-2009, 06:29 AM
Yet again thanks for the kind replies.

I have not sold much though, I guess people like bigger better (A3 size and stuff).

I am cheap though http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/halo.gif

I am trying out different styles. I am working on a ME 262 and some Jugs now, I will post them later.

Here are some older/practice/W.i.P drawings I have not shown yet:

http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a374/nicknaethuijs/IMG_1639.jpg
http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a374/nicknaethuijs/IMG_1641.jpg
http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a374/nicknaethuijs/IMG_1642.jpg
http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a374/nicknaethuijs/IMG_1643.jpg
http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a374/nicknaethuijs/IMG_1644.jpg
http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a374/nicknaethuijs/IMG_1645.jpg
http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a374/nicknaethuijs/IMG_1646.jpg
http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a374/nicknaethuijs/IMG_1647.jpg
http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a374/nicknaethuijs/IMG_1610.jpg

danjama
04-03-2009, 06:39 AM
Hi mate, i have to say i am super impressed and it's unhealthy how jealous i am http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

I'd definitely buy your work. I am somebody who appreciates a simple pencil drawing over sometimes mroe complicated pieces.

I love your grounded 109, and the P51 flying over the B17's http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif

Also, i'm considering the RAF as an engineer/mechanic myself, how are you finding that?

lordluud21990
04-03-2009, 06:45 AM
Thats cool!

My study starts this monday (first 11 weeks of standard militairy training) after that, half a year of education in becoming a korporal F-16 weaponsystems engineer.

I hope you go for it, you will have a solid job, and that's rare now that this crisis thing is going on.

I don't wanna advertise here or something, but If you want to buy something, just contact me.

I like my P-51B flying over the B-17's myself, though I could have done a better job on the clouds. Still practising on those http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Nicolas Trudgian is a famous aviation artist, and his work is one of my biggest inspiration. We e-mail sometimes, and I got a lot of usefull tips from him.

EDIT: The third drawing from below in my second post with drawings, has been drawn from a screenshot, though it was an A8 with different camo and markings. I am not finishing it because the shapes are not correct, neither are the markings. It's a big learning process http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

FoolTrottel
04-03-2009, 06:51 AM
We got a PaintSchemes forum (http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/frm/f/45410763), that's the place to ask for or look for skins with panels... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

lordluud21990
04-03-2009, 06:54 AM
Ah yes, I noticed that forum before. Thanks again for the link.

A pitty my pc can't run the game nicely anymore. It runs to hot or something, dragging the FPS down everytime (cant fix it darn it..).

Need a new pc, but too darn expensive http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/sadeyes.gif

Uufflakke
04-03-2009, 07:07 AM
Originally posted by lordluud21990:

I have not sold much though, I guess people like bigger better (A3 size and stuff).



That is something I want to advise you. Work on a larger size of paper ánd very important do not use the standard A4/A3/A2 size paper. Go to a artsupply store and buy some large sheets of paper which gives you the freedom to cut it down to the size you like.
Another tip will be to work on heavy paper, it gives the drawing more "body".
Try to work on off white paper or pre coloured paper instead of plain white. With slightly coloured paper you can suggest lighter parts and highlights with a white pencil or chalk so your drawings get more depth.
It works fantastic in clouds.

About your study: an acquaintance of me is a F-16 engineer and came back a few months ago from Kandahar/ Afghanistan. (Yes, Dutch too http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif)

danjama
04-03-2009, 07:10 AM
Originally posted by lordluud21990:
Thats cool!

My study starts this monday (first 11 weeks of standard militairy training) after that, half a year of education in becoming a korporal F-16 weaponsystems engineer.

I hope you go for it, you will have a solid job, and that's rare now that this crisis thing is going on.

I don't wanna advertise here or something, but If you want to buy something, just contact me.

I like my P-51B flying over the B-17's myself, though I could have done a better job on the clouds. Still practising on those http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Nicolas Trudgian is a famous aviation artist, and his work is one of my biggest inspiration. We e-mail sometimes, and I got a lot of usefull tips from him.

EDIT: The third drawing from below in my second post with drawings, has been drawn from a screenshot, though it was an A8 with different camo and markings. I am not finishing it because the shapes are not correct, neither are the markings. It's a big learning process http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

That's really cool that you contact Nicholas Trudgian i have seen alot of his work, and he is really something else!

Maybe you can keep us updated with your training?

raaaid
04-03-2009, 07:21 AM
wow must be unhealthy how jealous i am, amazing

lordluud21990
04-03-2009, 07:25 AM
Uufflakke:

I thought about using tinted paper, especially the grey ones. With some white in it it really gives it something extra.

I rarely cut up the paper I use, but I guess I just need to get into that. Will happen some day I guess http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Danjama:

Yes, I shall keep you posted (i'll be gone for two weeks starting this monday). So after that, i'll give you all the info you want.

lordluud21990
04-03-2009, 07:37 AM
Oh yes, I know this one has probably been asked hundres of times before:

But how do you install skins? lol

I downloaded a few that I would think make a good drawing (always conveniant when the markings etc are already in their place),

FoolTrottel
04-03-2009, 07:48 AM
The trick is to copy/paste the .bmp files in the correct folder in Paintschemes\skins\<aircraft> folder.

Some zipped skin packs have the folder designation already in them, extract the zip to a folder somewhere else than your game folder, then browse there using windows explorer, and copy/paste the skins -or better yet the aircraft folder- you want over to your paintschemes\skins folder.

You will have to be carefull, to put them in the correct folders though...

Good Luck!
Ft.

lordluud21990
04-03-2009, 08:00 AM
Yes, thank you, it worked!

Lovely skins!

Gnomie
04-03-2009, 08:16 AM
Wow, those drawings look amazing! I'm lost for words really. Shadows, lighting, perspective -- everything is perfect. I'm sure you could make more money if you set up an online store. There's probably plenty of people on these forums who would like to buy some of your pieces! Maybe even by request..? ("I'd like a drawing of this plane with this skin..." type of thing)

lordluud21990
04-03-2009, 08:31 AM
I had a site once, was not a succes.

But if anyone would like a drawing, or commission one, contact me http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

john.naethuijs 'at' home '.nl'

^^ you know how the e-mail goes, it's so spambots can't track it.

It sounds easy btw, drawing from a screenshot, but I still use many B&W photographs and profiles for reference. Everything has to be accurate, so drawin the initial line drawing almost takes up the most time (when done right of course).

Just for the record, the train is $95,- (if I were to sell it, I drew it for my dad), so every other drawing will be cheaper than that (around the €50,-).

Argh.. I am still advertising http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/53.gif

Uufflakke
04-03-2009, 09:00 AM
Why don't you subscribe to some free art related websites then where you can upload your work to your own image gallery?
At least a better exposure.

http://www.myartspace.com/
http://www.saatchi-gallery.co.uk/yourgallery/
http://yourartnetwork.com/?L=info.welcome

lordluud21990
04-03-2009, 09:51 AM
These are all the sites/forums where I post:

deviantart.com
schilderenenzo.nl
Dueysdrawings.com
ehangar.com
wetcanvas.com
artpapa.com

And this forum :P

Swivet
04-03-2009, 10:57 AM
Fantastic work!! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/clap.gif..I love the detail of the steam locomotives as i am a "train watcher"..hehe...Wish i would of kept drawing in school..Good work man!

Flight_boy1990
04-03-2009, 11:22 AM
Wow...Great work man!
Keep it up,you have a great talent there! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

blairgowrie
04-03-2009, 11:27 AM
Originally posted by lordluud21990:
I had a site once, was not a succes.

But if anyone would like a drawing, or commission one, contact me http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

john.naethuijs 'at' home '.nl'

^^ you know how the e-mail goes, it's so spambots can't track it.

It sounds easy btw, drawing from a screenshot, but I still use many B&W photographs and profiles for reference. Everything has to be accurate, so drawin the initial line drawing almost takes up the most time (when done right of course).

Just for the record, the train is $95,- (if I were to sell it, I drew it for my dad), so every other drawing will be cheaper than that (around the €50,-).

Argh.. I am still advertising http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/53.gif

Careful laddie! Advertising is against the Forum rules.

lordluud21990
04-03-2009, 12:07 PM
Yes...

No more sales talk http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/10.gif

Anyone some requests about a particulair scene that I could depict in a drawing? Like a FW 190 of JG54 battling against a Mustang or something.

I am always looking for good idea's, poses and layouts.

danjama
04-03-2009, 01:39 PM
Could you draw some FW190A's scrambling in the snowy airfield to meet a B17 Raid circa 1943/44??

FoolTrottel
04-03-2009, 01:58 PM
I am always looking for good idea's, poses and layouts.
Bf 110 in a slight banking turn...

http://www.aeropedia.nl/birds/eigen/messerschmitt110.jpg

Or maybe 2, on a patrol... (still banking though)
http://hsgm.free.fr/photosnew/BF110.jpg

http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

lordluud21990
04-03-2009, 02:22 PM
Both idea's sound nice guys.

I will finish the jug and ME 262 first, and then I will see wich one of those two I will start on. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Uufflakke
04-03-2009, 02:36 PM
FT, what's wrong with the colour version of these 110's over Creta??? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh195/Uufflakke/zerstorer4.jpg

LL: probably a name that already sounds familiar to you but do you know the aviation art by Thijs Postma?

http://www.thijspostmaaviation.nl/index.html

general_kalle
04-03-2009, 03:10 PM
wow http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

check your PM

McHilt
04-03-2009, 04:01 PM
Hey buddy, great drawings... BTW I'm from holland myself and I paint partially for a living...
something completely different though. You're a decent draughtsman, keep it up!

avhilten.com (http://www.avhilten.com/) http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/10.gif

Uufflakke
04-03-2009, 04:25 PM
Originally posted by McHilt:
BTW I'm from holland myself and I paint partially for a living...
something completely different though.
avhilten.com (http://www.avhilten.com/) http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/10.gif

Just like me. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif
I took a look at your site and noticed you are familiar too with the classical painting techniques.
Lead white, resin, egg tempera, etc.
I will PM you my site cause I don't wanna hijack this thread 'cause I'm not into aviation art.

lordluud21990
04-04-2009, 05:43 AM
Is it btw possible to fly a Dakota in IL2 (PF) (1946)?

I would really like to create a nice pencil featuring the droppings in Holland.

McHilt
04-04-2009, 08:59 AM
Originally posted by lordluud21990:
Is it btw possible to fly a Dakota in IL2 (PF) (1946)?

I would really like to create a nice pencil featuring the droppings in Holland.

Now that would be nice. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif
stockversion of IL-2 does not provide a flyable Skytrain C-47. However using the mods allows you to fly all planes that come with 1946... so then the C-47 is flyable too. You need version 4.09b installed for mods to work.

Heliopause
04-04-2009, 09:19 AM
Great looking drawings lordluud21990! Perhaps a Fokker is an idea?
....And good luck on airbase woensdrecht for the coming weeks http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Glykol02
04-04-2009, 06:55 PM
Never seen before, outstanding pictures!


So detailed and well “in scene” http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif

Hang on on that line, … you will find your own crowd. ; -)

http://img24.imageshack.us/img24/6321/rote7rklein.jpg (http://img24.imageshack.us/my.php?image=rote7rklein.jpg)

http://img24.imageshack.us/img24/3932/bckerklein.jpg (http://img24.imageshack.us/my.php?image=bckerklein.jpg)

Tab_Flettner
04-04-2009, 07:02 PM
The locomotives are outstanding! Well done!

R_Target
04-04-2009, 08:44 PM
Excellent. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/clap.gif

lordluud21990
04-05-2009, 04:16 AM
Thanks heliopause. I'm sure a Fokker would appear in pencil some time.

Glyko: Nice angle on the gladiator! It's a really interesting plane.

(or is that no gladiator...? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif )

Glykol02
04-05-2009, 05:53 AM
Well, it`s a Bücker Jungmeister.

The nearest thing to your kind of art is fhis drawing of a PZL-106A "Kruk" I made some times ago:

http://img23.imageshack.us/img23/460/krukklein.jpg (http://img23.imageshack.us/my.php?image=krukklein.jpg)

…but not in your league, for sure. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

lordluud21990
04-05-2009, 06:07 AM
Not in my league?

You have a huge amount of detail in that drawing! I think that if you would use some darker shading, or maybe up the contrast a bit (contrast really makes a drawing live!) you would definately be in 'my' league.

Maybe croshatching is a nice technique for you.

lordluud21990
04-05-2009, 07:32 AM
Yet another one done:

http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a374/nicknaethuijs/IMG_1664.jpg

Credits go to Anthony Saunders, since one of his paintings is where I got my inspiration from.

Metatron_123
04-05-2009, 08:17 AM
I love your drawings, and it's great that you have developed such good technique at such an early age.

But, I would humbly suggest, once you are happy with your technique, develop your own style, and make your work more original.

No matter how much this type of work sells, you will be far more satisfied as an artist if you re-invent yourself once in a while.

Art has to have soul to be truly fulfilling.

I'm nowhere near as good as you in the technique department, so please don't take this the wrong way, I simply think an artist of your ability needs to explore his potential.

lordluud21990
04-05-2009, 08:41 AM
Thanks for the compliment Metatron.

My latest drawing shown above your response, is the style I would like to continue with.

I sell very little work (only one aviation piece to date!), so my style is not really influenced by that. I am trying to draw scenes now, where aircraft battle each other, fly in formation etc.

I spend a whole lot more on equipment than I earn by selling drawings.

lordluud21990
04-05-2009, 10:11 AM
I am actually searching for someone who would like to co-operate with me.

Like for providing me the info of a particular scene, the markings etc. so my drawings will be historically correct. Something like a researcher... :P

Burckhardt
04-05-2009, 10:27 AM
I have seen your work on another popular warbird forum. A tip of advice from me is to follow the advice of those guys concerning full disclosure of your "models", especially if you are going to sell your work. The aviation community is tight knit and you cannot afford to appear dishonest. I know that is not your intention.
http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a374/nicknaethuijs/P-516.jpg
http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a374/nicknaethuijs/ME-1099.jpg

http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a374/nicknaethuijs/0963523.jpg

http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a374/nicknaethuijs/1258389.jpg

http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a374/nicknaethuijs/Locomotive6.jpg

And you still have three different signatures, so you will want to just use one.

lordluud21990
04-05-2009, 10:45 AM
I got shot at that forum, saying that I stole other people's artwork, tracing etc, while I done none of that.

My latest drawings have been drawn from screenshots and models (got a P-51, Tempest, Typhoon, FW 190 and Spitfire as model).

I do not draw from photographs anymore, since not everyone appreciates that.

It's all a big learning process.

Why did you post my references btw?

And since you are wondering why I deleted the backgrounds: Printer ink. It's to darn expensive to spend on backgrounds I do not need. Black and white is cheaper, so most of my pictures where printed black and white (also better for tonal values).

And about my signature; it's still not how I want it to be. And it is different qua style, it's still the same name http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Burckhardt
04-05-2009, 10:57 AM
I like your new work much better. It seems like a good idea to draw screenshots. That way aviation photographers have nothing to say about anything. Good luck to ya.

Glykol02
04-05-2009, 02:14 PM
Some prints with pilots. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

From the north:
http://img264.imageshack.us/img264/9089/uffzbartels8jg5rklein.jpg (http://img264.imageshack.us/my.php?image=uffzbartels8jg5rklein.jpg)

To the south:
http://img264.imageshack.us/img264/6808/etropgrafischklein.jpg (http://img264.imageshack.us/my.php?image=etropgrafischklein.jpg)

Different technique (aquatinta):
http://img264.imageshack.us/img264/7223/etropsandklein.jpg (http://img264.imageshack.us/my.php?image=etropsandklein.jpg)

Choctaw111
04-05-2009, 06:36 PM
Wow http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif
Another artist. Very well done http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

BillyTheKid_22
04-05-2009, 07:14 PM
Wow!! Very Very Beautiful!!! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/clap.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/clap.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/clap.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

Glykol02
04-07-2009, 05:11 PM
Thanx Choctaw and BillyTheKid for compliment, - but surely I am not "the" big artist.
At least not in that way lordluud is. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif

The pictures above I made some times ago, university stuff.
So I was forced to do it, in a way. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

The Prof. was a strange moose ( freaky person, …in a very silent shape ) but the assistence guy who leads the seminar was all right.
So I feld free to chose my motives…

http://img12.imageshack.us/img12/3359/plakatwebversuch.jpg (http://img12.imageshack.us/my.php?image=plakatwebversuch.jpg)

…the last thing I had to do in those days to get the "proved" evaluation on that LS was a poster.

Made it over a WE with a little help from a friend, handling photoshop... :bag:

AllorNothing117
04-08-2009, 02:00 PM
Truely supererb! That is simply amazing, I am incredably jelous. I'd definatly but your work, if I lived in Holand! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif Especialy love the P-38, a beautiful plane. Got any tips for a fellow artist? (No where near as good!)

Super http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif Thanks for posting and welcome http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Enforcer572005
04-11-2009, 12:55 AM
Man this is very impressive. I tried this a bit yrs ago by projecting my slides and tracing the general outline. Was ok, but I never pursued it. Many of the aviation artists use that technique.

I am a photographer with lots of airshow shots, so here is a link to myspace site I use for my photography. The plane shots are in the aircraft/military album. Feel free to use any of them.
www.myspace.com/colonialphotog (http://www.myspace.com/colonialphotog)

Reminds me of watching Sam Lyons do similar drawings freehand at airshows.

money_money
04-11-2009, 03:58 PM
Great work lordluud21990.
Love the trains.

good stuff from such a young bloke.

keep it up!


Originally posted by Burckhardt:
I have seen your work on another popular warbird forum. A tip of advice from me is to follow the advice of those guys concerning full disclosure of your "models", especially if you are going to sell your work. The aviation community is tight knit and you cannot afford to appear dishonest. I know that is not your intention.
ht tp://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a374/nicknaethuijs/P-516.jpg
ht tp://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a374/nicknaethuijs/ME-1099.jpg

ht tp://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a374/nicknaethuijs/0963523.jpg

ht tp://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a374/nicknaethuijs/1258389.jpg

ht tp://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a374/nicknaethuijs/Locomotive6.jpg

And you still have three different signatures, so you will want to just use one.

Its a drawing. I really don't think he has to ask anyone if he can draw a picture, be it from a photograph or a computer game or he sat out on a tarmac and sketched it. Nor does he have to cite anywhere his references if doesn't choose to, regardless if he sells it or not. Its not like he made the post and said. "Hey evry1. here is some drawings from some aircraft i photographed myself"

I dont see why you should have an issue with his signatures. its a drawing not a cheque. I have never signed 2 pictures with the same "signature" and half the stuff i make i don't even sign.

p.s. did you ask for permission b4 you published the images in this thread on the web? because what you did is worse than what lordluud21990 ever did.

danjama
04-11-2009, 04:21 PM
Originally posted by money_money:
Great work lordluud21990.
Love the trains.

good stuff from such a young bloke.

keep it up!

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I have seen your work on another popular warbird forum. A tip of advice from me is to follow the advice of those guys concerning full disclosure of your "models", especially if you are going to sell your work. The aviation community is tight knit and you cannot afford to appear dishonest. I know that is not your intention.
ht tp://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a374/nicknaethuijs/P-516.jpg
ht tp://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a374/nicknaethuijs/ME-1099.jpg

ht tp://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a374/nicknaethuijs/0963523.jpg

ht tp://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a374/nicknaethuijs/1258389.jpg

ht tp://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a374/nicknaethuijs/Locomotive6.jpg

And you still have three different signatures, so you will want to just use one.

Its a drawing. I really don't think he has to ask anyone if he can draw a picture, be it from a photograph or a computer game or he sat out on a tarmac and sketched it. Nor does he have to cite anywhere his references if doesn't choose to, regardless if he sells it or not. Its not like he made the post and said. "Hey evry1. here is some drawings from some aircraft i photographed myself"

I dont see why you should have an issue with his signatures. its a drawing not a cheque. I have never signed 2 pictures with the same "signature" and half the stuff i make i don't even sign.

p.s. did you ask for permission b4 you published the images in this thread on the web? because what you did is worse than what lordluud21990 ever did. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

i agree man and thought this when i first saw the post, who the hell is he to call out the OP on this? Sort it out.

Burckhardt
04-12-2009, 01:02 AM
I know him from another forum where he passed off some tracings of a famous artists work who happened to be a member of that forum and was banned after insulting everyones intelligence. I am not trying to be mean to the guy, I just don't suffer B------tters. Want to know more then PM me for the links to those threads. If not then let the matter drop, give him a cookie for his tracings, and save your indignation.

lordluud21990
04-12-2009, 02:40 AM
Burckhardt, I dont want to start a fight here but I never traced anything.

I did draw an aircraft from one of his paintings yes, and I forgot to include credits. I use a grid people, almost just as accurate as 'tracing'.

And I insulted no-one. I took their comments to heart, but one of the mod kept yelling at me. I did not use ONE insulting word, I am not that kind of person. The moderator on that forum was, calling me a ******, an *******, a jurk, a lying piece of **** a etc etc etc. Thats why I stept away from drawing from photographs, and using a game as my reference (meaning I LISTENED to the people who reacted normally in that thread without calling me names). More work to get things acurate, but at least stuff like what is happening yet again wont happen anymore, at least, not if people pass it over to other forums on the net.

I already appologized for not mensioning the other artist' name, so please do not start again.

And my latest drawing, the spitfire vs ME-109 is based on Anthony's Saunders work. Just so you know http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Since I have been banned from that forum I do not know if the topic still excist. If it does, I BEG you to take a look.

Uufflakke
04-12-2009, 09:50 AM
I don't know anything about this issue on another site Burckhardt is referring to but I don't see what's wrong with tracing, using photo's or using/copying parts of other artworks. In the artworld it's a common thing to do so throught the ages. I can give a zillion examples of this practice done by world famous artists.

Well, let's have an art historical approach then:

Tracing is not only done from drawings or paintings but also by using a so called camera obscura so you could "trace the real world". Many well known and respected painters have been doing this since the 15th Century.
Here an example to clarify the function:

http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh195/Uufflakke/images466751_camera-obscura.jpg

Since the 19th Century the photo camera seemed very helpfull too.
For example this painting by David Hockney and adjacent to it the photo he made and used.

http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh195/Uufflakke/DavidHockney.jpg

And using grids is known for ages too.
See here Albrechts Dürer's grid from 1525.

http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh195/Uufflakke/Durer_grid.jpg

And nowadays artists use/trace images they found on the internet.

I think it's enough art history for today now. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif
Long story short, the only thing I want to say is use all the utilities you can get and see what suits you best.

It is not what kind of aid you use but what you do with it to turn it into something interesting and original. Technique is one thing, creativity is something else.
And I've a lot to comment on that with the drawings I've seen here in this thread.

Burckhardt
04-12-2009, 11:10 AM
lordluud21990, Again I would wish you luck on your endeavors. You have nice looking drawings.

dugong
04-12-2009, 06:38 PM
How ironic for this thread. I think it was Hockney who stated:

"Nothing is totally original. Creativity is just undiscovered plagiarism."

I did the drawing that appears in my sig. It was to a part of a much larger, full drawing but the Murphy reared his ugly head. So I scanned it, added some familiar symbols in Photoshop, and voila!

I drew from a photo. I am by trade, a fine artist (I am a teacher first, but I am a practicing artist) so most of what I do is from observation. I do not teach my students to draw from photos, they learn to draw observational, that is how one learns to draw. With that said, I see nothing wrong with using photos for reference as needed.

Everyone has their own opinion.

For the OP - Incredible drawings!