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FI_Macca44
12-22-2004, 04:24 PM
Let me tell ya something.Yep,the PF is not avaliable in Poland.Forgotten Battles is.Il-2 was a few months after it's release avaliable in Poland for a short period of time.Still no AEP released in Poland UBI doesn't do anything to make it released nor do polish firms.HOWEVER, Pacific Fighhters IS TO BE RELEASED in Poland in localized version.Hopefully this month or in January 2005. I got my copies of FB, AEP and PF from my freind in Germany and now I'm going to order all the IL-2 series sims and addons from www.ozon.ru (http://www.ozon.ru) in Russia. Nice prices, will relearn Russian language with ithttp://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif.And it would be good if future addons are to be released in Russia only.Also, some people that couldn't get FB/AEP in Poland bought it via some Australian online shop,prices aren't too scary there.If I find a link,wil post it here.So you see,there are many possibilities of getting legal game even though it is not released in your country.Sadly,polish distributors suck,they are n00bs in their occupation,only RGP<RPG,RPG and some more RPG....No addon for Civilization 3,for example, and many more games aren't released here...I got Il-2 onlu thanks to the fact that I ordered it 2 months before it's polish release date.And still it was delayed...

http://www.lem.com.pl/db.php?produkt=566


BTW..I hope it will not be released with such delay as Fb.....which was released ,as far as I remember , in May 2004...not sure...

Jason Bourne
12-22-2004, 04:29 PM
man, just order it from online place and get it sent out there, it cant be all that hard.

FI_Macca44
12-22-2004, 04:33 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Jason Bourne:
man, just order it from online place and get it sent out there, it cant be all that hard. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>



yep,most online shops do not send things to Poland (strange) but some do.I mean klopsik should try a bit harder.


BTW

Yes, I DO live in Poland.

klopsik206
12-22-2004, 05:06 PM
FI_Macca, if you can recommend me a place where I could order a copy I'll be very grateful. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

As previous thread is closed:

I am not writing on this forum so someone send me a copy as a christmas gift - I do have money and I am willing to spend it. I am just trying to draw your attention to a problem with distribution.

PF CAN earn more money, much more money. Piracy is great excuse why it doesn't - but this is only excuse covering the problem with distristribution. Can't you see? You're loosing your business!

I hope some guy resposible for that mess will read it and do something about it.

FI_Macca44
12-22-2004, 05:27 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by klopsik206:
FI_Macca, if you can recommend me a place where I could order a copy I'll be very grateful. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


Sure thing

You can order from OZON - Russian online store www.ozon.ru (http://www.ozon.ru)

http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums?a=tpc&s=400102&f=23110283&m=5521094352&r=5421003452#5421003452

If you know Russian or have somebody that could help you with it - no problem. In case you don't know Russian nor anyone who knows the language -


here is an australian online shop - sends to our beautiful Poland too
http://www.dvdcrave.com/products/product.jsp?pid=12848

Apart from that you can always order it from european UBIstore however it is called.They send to Poland,as far as I know.

BTW, some time ago I sent an email to german Amazon Abteilung and this is what I got-

*** Dieser Artikel kann leider nicht an den von Ihnen gew√ľnschten Ort versandt werden. Sie k√¬∂nnen entweder die Versandadresse √¬§ndern oder den Artikel aus Ihrer Bestellung l√¬∂schen, indem Sie seine St√ľckzahl auf 0 setzen und dann den Aktualisierungsbutton unten anklicken ( M√¬∂gliche L√¬§nder anzeigen ) ***

and from amazon.co.uk

*** We're sorry. This item can't be shipped to your selected destination. You may either change the shipping address or delete the item from your order by changing its quantity to 0 and clicking the update button below. ( See eligible countries. ) ***

The Allies betrayed us, brother.....
don't even want to sell us PFhttp://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

Schmouddle-WT
12-23-2004, 04:16 AM
Thats exactly the question I raised some time ago. (If the freaking search function worked you would be able to actually look for it)

Ubi's distribution sucks. That's a straight fact beyond all discussion.

Today is 23rd December and the official distribution has not yet started in Czech Republic.

Thanks to "grey import", I was able to purchase myself a legal copy of PF here in Prague, no warranty, no support, no nothing.


Many of you folks in Western Europe and USA wonder why dont we purchase it online.

1/Not all online stores deliver to CZ, most of Czech online stores are taking orders, but not delivering until the official Czech release is out (2/2005, huh!)

2/Not all folks here have the credit card needed for online purchase.

3/Paypal or similar accounts do not accept customers from Central European countries.

I am quite sorry for fellow simmers in neighbouring states and I understand if they use pirated version until they got a chance to buy their legal copies at ease.

Needless to say, this makes a great dark hole in the distribution chain, confusing customers and greatly increasing "lost purchases" and piracy.

WAKE UP, UBI!

VMF223_Smitty
12-23-2004, 06:59 AM
It is human nature to rationalize our behaviour when we err in judgement.

It can be argued that there are shades of gray in "illegal" behaviour. The arguments are usually put forward by the people who are participating in that behaviour.

Examples:

"My company does not pay me enough money for the work I do.
It's not fair, hence it is OK to embezzle money from them or to otherwise rip them off. That makes it even."

Receiving something through illegal means, without payment, for whatever the reason, is wrong.

Not one civilized culture that I can think of condones or allows the confiscation of someone elses property, without permission or payment.

I wish that all people were allowed to have all that they want. It would certainly eliminate greed, avarice, jealousy, many murders, most wars and this recurring subject on this forum.

JHAT-
12-23-2004, 07:43 AM
Well, in Brazil these games get distributed, but if they weren t, there wasn t much we could do. Ordering form an online shop gt s it too expansive to be worth it. Say, a gmae costs 40 bucks + $20 for shipping (maritime). For us here, it would cost 3x more, plus 60% taxes on the dollar price, that is, 180% more. A game distributed here cost around R$100. So, if ordered from an american online shop, it costs us around R$290, that s almost three times more expensive. Besides, it takes more than a month to get here... I ve done that, not worth it.

Daiichidoku
12-23-2004, 07:55 AM
Funny thing is, how can UBI or 1C lose $$$ on a pirated game when it couldnt get a sale anyhow, sue to the game not being available where the person is?

Atomic_Marten
12-23-2004, 08:11 AM
Hm. I will ask just one thing here; after all what's being said;

What if one do not have credit card (you know unemployed, or do not have permanent job -> in which case bank won't give you a credit card), what then guys?

Do you know 'online place' that will send it to you and you pay when you receive it (to your postman or in post office)? 'Cause that's the only way how can one get it if do not have credit card and live in certain countries.

And you live in Poland for example. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

klopsik206
12-23-2004, 09:13 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by VMF223_Smitty:
It is human nature to rationalize our behaviour when we err in judgement.

It can be argued that there are shades of gray in "illegal" behaviour. The arguments are usually put forward by the people who are participating in that behaviour. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I am NOT rationalizing my behaviour.
I admit it - PIRACY IS BAD THING AND I AM NOT TRYING TO COME UP WITH ANY EXCUSE FOR IT.

All I am trying to say is that preaching about piracy is not enought to make a business. You must GIVE A CHANCE to pay the money - the easier it will be to buy a game, the more people will buy it.

You have to be blind to not see it.

Waldo.Pepper
12-23-2004, 10:18 AM
The simplest solution is to make the product available via a secure download.

This is the main reason (in my opinion) that software companies are loosing sales/money.

FI_Macca44
12-23-2004, 10:58 AM
And here problems arise....I don;t know of any foreign online store that accepts payment at delivery.Anyone does and could share the info?Central Europe as the destinationhttp://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif??

FI_Macca44
12-23-2004, 11:23 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Daiichidoku:
Funny thing is, how can UBI or 1C lose $$$ on a pirated game when it couldnt get a sale anyhow, sue to the game not being available where the person is? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Isn't it amazing?Forgotten Battles was released in poland more than a year after its release in the west and Russia.Isn't it lovely?
Most of theose who wanted it got it soon after release in the West, few ppl bought the localized polish version.I hate when they localize games..However if they want to make it right it can be done- Icewind Dale 2 was released in localized version on the same day like the western version.

VMF223_Smitty
12-23-2004, 02:13 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Atomic_Marten:
Hm. I will ask just one thing here; after all what's being said;

What if one do not have credit card (you know unemployed, or do not have permanent job -> in which case bank won't give you a credit card), what then guys?

Do you know 'online place' that will send it to you and you pay when you receive it (to your postman or in post office)? 'Cause that's the only way how can one get it if do not have credit card and live in certain countries.

And you live in Poland for example. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

If I WAS unemployed, the last thing that I would worry about is a pc flight sim, no matter how cool it is.

I am sure that there are people working hard on trying to get distribution rights to places that at present cannot get their product.
I am sure that they are looking for the legal loopholes, but I am also sure that the political wheels turn slowly in almost all countries.
It IS discouraging that people anywhere in the world are unable to get the things they want, or more importantly the things that they NEED.

carguy_
12-23-2004, 02:19 PM
Just a note Forgotten Battles PL has a English install option.
I didn`t even think of installing PL version cuz I still remember how terrible Operation Flashpoint PL was.

VMF223_Smitty
12-23-2004, 02:27 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by klopsik206:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by VMF223_Smitty:
It is human nature to rationalize our behaviour when we err in judgement.

It can be argued that there are shades of gray in "illegal" behaviour. The arguments are usually put forward by the people who are participating in that behaviour. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I am NOT rationalizing my behaviour.
I admit it - PIRACY IS BAD THING AND I AM NOT TRYING TO COME UP WITH ANY EXCUSE FOR IT.

All I am trying to say is that preaching about piracy is not enought to make a business. You must GIVE A CHANCE to pay the money - the easier it will be to buy a game, the more people will buy it.

You have to be blind to not see it. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Not blind at all Klop. I wish you the best of luck in getting legal copies of anything that you wish to order. As I said before, it ISN'T fair that you are being penalized because you are a citiizen of Poland. It almost smacks of discrimination.
Do you know why the government of Poland has prohibited the import of this type of software ?
Is it something that people can organize about and try to get something done?

Slightly OT, but:

Poland's history of standing firm in the face of adversity and their thousand year history of free-thinking and independent minded people is universally known.

The Jagiellonian Dynasty was perhaps the greatest advance in eastern European civilization up to that time (14th century). For those unfamiliar with the history of this great nation and people, I suggest that you visit Mieczyslaw Kasprzyk's web site at Kasprzyk's Web site (http://www.kasprzyk.demon.co.uk/www/index.html)

It is a concise and interesting history.

Good luck Klop and Merry Christmas

klopsik206
12-23-2004, 06:15 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by VMF223_Smitty:
Do you know why the government of Poland has prohibited the import of this type of software ?
Is it something that people can organize about and try to get something done?
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

No, it's not government issue.
Poland is now part of EU, which consist a huge free-trade area, so there is no legal barriers for movement of the goods.

The problems are:
- Software distributors (UBI) restricting releases to some areas/countries
- eCommerce (Amazon) not shipping to Central Europe (this is I guess to not infringe on restrictions imposed by distributors)
- Polish distributors releasing games MONTS after original release

I agree with Waldo.Pepper that one thing solving all three is electronic distribution (like Steam for Half Life 2).

Merry Xmas!

VMF223_Smitty
12-23-2004, 06:30 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by klopsik206:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by VMF223_Smitty:
Do you know why the government of Poland has prohibited the import of this type of software ?
Is it something that people can organize about and try to get something done?
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

No, it's not government issue.
Poland is now part of EU, which consist a huge free-trade area, so there is no legal barriers for movement of the goods.

The problems are:
- Software distributors (UBI) restricting releases to some areas/countries
- eCommerce (Amazon) not shipping to Central Europe (this is I guess to not infringe on restrictions imposed by distributors)
- Polish distributors releasing games MONTS after original release

I agree with Waldo.Pepper that one thing solving all three is electronic distribution (like Steam for Half Life 2).

Merry Xmas! <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

If those are the issues (that you mentioned), then it is very easy to see why you are upset.
Perhaps an intense e-mail letter writing campaign by people who are affected by this inequality would help. It sure couldn't hurt. Bigger things have been accomplished because one man stood up and took a stand and did more.

Anyways, good luck. If you want me to e-mail UbiSoft, Amazon, etal, let me know and I'll jump on the bandwagon.

Smitty

FI_Macca44
12-23-2004, 09:17 PM
Hi guys.Yesterday I phoned LEM,polish distributor of PF and FB(year of delay or sohttp://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif).On their website there is December as the time of PF's release.A lady with nice voice at LEM told me that it is going to be released in January. www.timsoft.pl (http://www.timsoft.pl) .a Polish online store says it is going to be released in May 2005.....

Atomic_Marten
12-23-2004, 09:47 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by VMF223_Smitty:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Atomic_Marten:
Hm. I will ask just one thing here; after all what's being said;

What if one do not have credit card (you know unemployed, or do not have permanent job -> in which case bank won't give you a credit card), what then guys?

Do you know 'online place' that will send it to you and you pay when you receive it (to your postman or in post office)? 'Cause that's the only way how can one get it if do not have credit card and live in certain countries.

And you live in Poland for example. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

If I WAS unemployed, the last thing that I would worry about is a pc flight sim, no matter how cool it is.

I am sure that there are people working hard on trying to get distribution rights to places that at present cannot get their product.
I am sure that they are looking for the legal loopholes, but I am also sure that the political wheels turn slowly in almost all countries.
It IS discouraging that people anywhere in the world are unable to get the things they want, or more importantly the things that they NEED. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Geez m8 you're unbelievable(nice attitude BTWhttp://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif). You know not all simmers are above 18.

And also about political wheels.. http://acompletewasteofspace.com/forum/images/smiles/stupid.gif