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MercilessFatBoy
02-02-2006, 07:22 AM
You said you would not add panser blitz to F8 because it takes time to model a new wepon.... what about enabling F8 to carry the 1000kg bomb we already have?

FW 190 F
From 1943 on eastern front the 190s substituted the Ju 87 "Stuka" in ground attacks. The FW 190 F was a particular model capable to transport a 1000 kg bomb.


Here a nice picture http://www.tgplanes.com/fwbomb.jpg

MercilessFatBoy
02-02-2006, 07:50 AM
if you happen to see this oleg... there are kates droping torpedos on ground targets

anarchy52
02-03-2006, 05:17 AM
F8 in game barelly takes off with half the load...don't confuse RL and game

MercilessFatBoy
02-03-2006, 02:46 PM
Originally posted by anarchy52:
F8 in game barelly takes off with half the load...don't confuse RL and game

Stay out of my topic! if u dont want this mind your own bussines... i have no trouble taking off wiht full loaded FW190!

MADCAT3
02-03-2006, 06:34 PM
MercilessFatBoy play nice

anarchy dose have a point, you would need to use 25% fuel to get off the ground and then you couldn't go far with it any way.

I don't think the 1000Kb bomb all ready ingame would give you enough ground clearance to take off, so you would just rip the bomb off and part of your plane I guess and wouldn't look right.

Willey
02-03-2006, 06:59 PM
We don't even get bombs dor the D-9, or a CORRECT loadout for the Heinkels, what do you expect? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif http://www.ubisoft.de/smileys/26.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif

UberDemon
02-03-2006, 07:08 PM
Originally posted by MercilessFatBoy:
You said you would not add panser blitz to F8 because it takes time to model a new wepon.... what about enabling F8 to carry the 1000kg bomb we already have?

FW 190 F
From 1943 on eastern front the 190s substituted the Ju 87 "Stuka" in ground attacks. The FW 190 F was a particular model capable to transport a 1000 kg bomb.


Here a nice picture http://www.tgplanes.com/fwbomb.jpg

I don't quite understand why Oleg could not add at least one version of the F-8 with rockets (outside that is one of about a billion requests he gets)... hear me out. According to the documentation in FB/AEP Object Viewer for the F-8, there was a Fw-190F-8/PB1 which carried 6xRM4 Rockets or 8xRM4 Rockets, and those rockets are already modeled for the Me-262A-1 and A-2...

Sounds doable and it would require no new modelling for the weapon.

luftluuver
02-03-2006, 07:15 PM
Why not go whole hog and ask for the 1800kg bomb? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

MADCAT3
02-03-2006, 08:17 PM
ok lets have a FW190 weapons frenzy...

Eight SC 50kg bombs (4 fu****e / 4 wing)
SB 1000kg
LT F5b Torpedo
Bv 246 Hagelkorn glider bomb
SG 113A Forstersonde 77 mm recoilless anit-tank weapon
SG 116 Zellendusche anit-bomber salvo weapon


can any one think of any other lol?

CUJO_1970
02-03-2006, 08:34 PM
Originally posted by luftluuver:
Why not go whole hog and ask for the 1800kg bomb? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif


Yes!

And the tall tailwheel too!

VW-IceFire
02-03-2006, 09:12 PM
Originally posted by MADCAT3:
ok lets have a FW190 weapons frenzy...

Eight SC 50kg bombs (4 fu****e / 4 wing)
SB 1000kg
LT F5b Torpedo
Bv 246 Hagelkorn glider bomb
SG 113A Forstersonde 77 mm recoilless anit-tank weapon
SG 116 Zellendusche anit-bomber salvo weapon


can any one think of any other lol?
Panzerfaust? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

BBB_Hyperion
02-03-2006, 10:26 PM
why not just add r4m rockets to f8 wings and use brs132 as anti tank rocketclass .)

So no new weapon needed.

r4m on dora and a8/a9 wouldnt be bad either.

Wingloaded 250 kg Bombs just to mention .)

Viper2005_
02-03-2006, 10:37 PM
SC1000 for Fw-190 is a great idea. Ditto R4Ms, especially if they could be fired in pairs with anti-tank warheads.

I would have thought that this would be quite easy to implement; it would make a great difference to the blue team's ground attack capability against hard targets, and is much more likely to make it into combat online than the Do-335, which looks set to share the fate of the Me-262A2a...

slo_one23
02-04-2006, 01:51 AM
what we realy need is the b-29 and an atomic bomb there would be some good times yes good times http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif

JuHa-
02-04-2006, 02:43 AM
I'll second the wingloaded SC250s, no need for
extra ground clearance. Guessing that if there
were a 3x250 loadout, that wouldn't cause more
than ~50kg extra weight to current max.
(500+4x50)

I regard 3x250 more useful load than 1x1000kg...

Bremspropeller
02-04-2006, 04:06 AM
Anton loadouts:

- removal of outer guns without adding the ETC
- droptanks for all Antons
- ability to load a 250kg bomb underneath every wing (simulating a Gustav model...also doesn't feature the nose-mounted MGs)
- ability to carry four 50kg bombs underneath fusealge
- ability to load R4M rockets (A-8 and A-9 only)
- ability to load the "Krebs Ger√¬§t" (only a candy-job)


Dora loadouts:

- ability to load bombs (up to SC 250) with addition of a ETC504
- ability to load droptanks (300l. and 240l.)
- ability to carry Panzerblitz and R4M rockets


Friedrich loadots:

- ability to load droptank
- ability to carry four SC50 underneath fuselage
- ability to carry Panzerblitz rockets
- Ability to carry a 1000kg bomb


That would be my loadout-whishlist v1.0 http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Bremspropeller
02-04-2006, 04:16 AM
Ah, almost forgot to mention:

Ta loadout:

- ability to load a droptank (new 3D-model required)

Vrabac
02-04-2006, 04:30 AM
Anarchy is right, taking off with the current full load is adventure of it's own. With additional 300kg of weight it might become an attempted suicide... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

However, wing SC250s and some sort of Rockets (ANY rockets with AT capability, just for the sake of making F8 useful at all, since currently it's much smarter to take A8 or A9 and sacrifice the 4x50kg for 40-50kmh of life AND having twice as powerful gun armament) would be extremly welcome.

Unfortunately since nothing happened until now, I doubt we will ever see this. But who knows, we are allowed to hope I guess. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

MercilessFatBoy
02-04-2006, 06:07 AM
I Want my 1000kg bomb... any of u saw the picture?... i have no trouble taking off... why you guys do.... traying to pull up too slow??? or traying to take off across the fiels like in online games ppl dont use the whole lengh of the runway?

p1ngu666
02-04-2006, 06:53 AM
awhile ago i was told by 190 experten that there was no point in a dora with ground attack loadout, cos itll then equal a series in speed, and ud be better off in the a series then cos of radial engine.

id really like more ground attack loadouts for the axis cos there really lacking in that area http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

do335 has internal bomb bay http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif, but still 500kg or something only.

i think wing 250kg, and 500kg under belly was possible too

Bremspropeller
02-04-2006, 07:22 AM
Too bad there are pictures with Doras carrying explosive ordnance http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

MADCAT3
02-04-2006, 07:33 AM
I WANT THESE LOAD OUTS... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif
http://www.baseclass.modulweb.dk/69giap/fileadmin/69_giap_private/images/olegpimp.jpg

Trust Oleg to keep the best load outs for him self lol

I would worry more about the FM for the FW190 then adding a bomb, but that‚‚ā¨ôs my opinion.

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Viper2005_
02-04-2006, 09:16 AM
SC1000 would be a very useful addition. I am quite confident in my ability to take off with 1000 kg.

Use WEP and 100% prop pitch, radiator closed, drop takeoff flaps passing about 180 km/h and fly off at about 200 km/h, getting the gear up quickly.

With this procedure I can take off in an A6 with 700 kg of bombs and room to spare. Ditto in the F-8 with a decent fuel load.

I would use the SC1000 frequently against hard targets. A pair of SC250s would be nice. SC50s are basically useless against hard targets so I'm not bothered about them.

Vrabac
02-04-2006, 10:07 AM
Ok fellows, we actually are able to take off with the max loadout, but you must admit it's on the verge. Yes, 100% pitch, Erhohte Notleistung, flaps at landing, using entire runway and so on. But I somehow think that adding 300kg more would be over the top or at least too near to the top for in-game 190. My oppinion tough, who knows.

Still rockets and wing 250kg hardpoints seem more useful. Rockets would make F8 truly special and give it an advantage over other 190s in certain areas, which it's basically completly lacking right now.

Just don't take me wrong, I'd like to see SC1000 for F8 too and I'm with you, it's just that I think it of less importance than the other things I mentioned.

Viper2005_
02-04-2006, 10:45 AM
If you use landing flaps then you make life harder for yourself because they just provide extra drag. Use no more than takeoff flaps. If you want performance, wait until you reach flying speed before lowering your flaps.

Vrabac
02-04-2006, 10:58 AM
Viper, I'm aware of that, I set them to landing after already speeding up considerably, don't worry I know what drag is. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif But this is about F8 loadouts and SC1000 in particular, not take off procedure, isn't it?

Viper2005_
02-04-2006, 11:08 AM
In which case, let's get back to the SC1000 rather than diverging off onto such subjects as takeoff performance, wing mounted SC250s etc... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

MercilessFatBoy
02-04-2006, 12:42 PM
i just would like a yes or no from the man so i can sleep at night

CD_kp84yb
02-04-2006, 12:55 PM
I fly the F8 when i can get my hands on her, http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

What i normaly do when i have her full loaded,
as saud before full power with wep , wait till you hit 230 ( may take awhile) then hit the flaps to position take off.
Once in the air you must raise the gear and try to hold her stady , cos she will go everywhere where you dont wanna go hahahaha http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/34.gif (mostly downwards )after raising flaps

Well i realy would enjoy all the loadouts even the rockets and why not sc1000, would be a real challenge to take off, well we have a reflybutton dont we?

regards

Viper2005_
02-04-2006, 02:41 PM
Totally agree; rockets and other stuff would be cool, but SC1000 should be a priority because the weapon and the bomb rack are there already so it's an easy thing for Oleg to add.

ImpStarDuece
02-04-2006, 05:32 PM
I also want the 1000kg load-out for the F8 http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

It would be great for knocking down bridges and simulated bunker buster missions, just to name a few.

Just on the ease/difficulty of take-off: I just went and practiced about a dozen take-offs on the Kurland map, on both the grass and concrete strips at the city located at the central, western coast, with full fuel and the 1x 500 kg and 4 x 50 kg load outs.

I found take off suprisingly easy, but then again, if i'm flying jabo, I'll usually fly a P-47. Maybe its the comparison that makes it esay for me. There is a little bit of swing at about 100 kph, and the plane wants to slowly pull to the right, but nothing that can't be easily countered, even with a twist stick.

On the grass strips I could rotate without using flaps by about 2/3 down the runway. With take-off flaps, I was quite comfortably airborne by roughly half-way down the strip. Take-off speeds were usually around 240 kph.

On the concrete strips it's a breeze getting airborne with a full bombload. I could even set the throttle to 100%, without WEP, and get airborne with a fair stretch of runway still in front of me.

p1ngu666
02-04-2006, 05:42 PM
bridges go down surprisingly easy, well a span will

Jaws2002
02-07-2006, 03:15 PM
This two would be good enough for me:

1x500kg+2x250kg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v258/<FA>Jaws/fw-190_0070.jpg

and.... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/59.gif.....


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v258/<FA>Jaws/fw-190_0087.jpg

Viper2005_
02-09-2006, 04:41 AM
X-4's seem rather unlikley to be added. Apart from anything else you'd need a spare set of control inceptors (aka another joystick) for the missile...

SC250s and an SC500 would be nice, but it appears that this loadout would require a different bomb rack. On the other hand, the SC1000 could just be bolted on. Plus it would make a bigger bang http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/784.gif

Philipscdrw
02-09-2006, 06:11 AM
I hope that in TBoB, the program architecture makes it easier to add new weapons. I'm suprised that it's difficult to add new weapons to FB/PF!

luftluuver
02-09-2006, 06:38 AM
Originally posted by Viper2005_:
X-4's seem rather unlikley to be added. Apart from anything else you'd need a spare set of control inceptors (aka another joystick) for the missile... The X-4 could be controlled like you can when a gunner???

Viper2005_
02-09-2006, 06:50 AM
http://www.luft46.com/missile/x-4.html

It's a very clever piece of engineering, but really I think that we should stick to asking for loadouts which we stand a chance of getting; SC1000s were carried by Fw-190s operationally, as were 2xSC250+1xSC500. The X-4 was never issued to the Luftwaffe.

MercilessFatBoy
02-10-2006, 12:00 PM
bump

MercilessFatBoy
02-11-2006, 12:32 PM
bump

Pimpo
02-11-2006, 10:12 PM
Originally posted by Bremspropeller:
Anton loadouts:

- removal of outer guns without adding the ETC
- droptanks for all Antons
- ability to load a 250kg bomb underneath every wing (simulating a Gustav model...also doesn't feature the nose-mounted MGs)
- ability to carry four 50kg bombs underneath fusealge
- ability to load R4M rockets (A-8 and A-9 only)
- ability to load the "Krebs Ger√¬§t" (only a candy-job)


Dora loadouts:

- ability to load bombs (up to SC 250) with addition of a ETC504
- ability to load droptanks (300l. and 240l.)
- ability to carry Panzerblitz and R4M rockets


Friedrich loadots:

- ability to load droptank
- ability to carry four SC50 underneath fuselage
- ability to carry Panzerblitz rockets
- Ability to carry a 1000kg bomb


That would be my loadout-whishlist v1.0 http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

yes please http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif <3

with the 4 SC50 under the fuselage it could carry 2 + 4 + 2 of them?

Pimpo
02-12-2006, 09:51 PM
if the fw190 is olegs favourite plane why does it lack its full potential? :|


he could make a game "FW190: forgotten loadouts" http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif (just kidding around here http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif)

KG26_Oranje
02-13-2006, 12:09 PM
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v735/KG26Oranje/Luftwaffe-Axis/1v.jpg
FW190_A5/U14

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v735/KG26Oranje/Luftwaffe-Axis/2v.jpg
FW190_A4 VL+FG carrying a Blohm and Voss Bv 246 glider bomb

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v735/KG26Oranje/Luftwaffe-Axis/FW190A.jpg
FW190_A5/U3

MercilessFatBoy
02-15-2006, 07:59 PM
bump

A.K.Davis
02-16-2006, 11:37 AM
Originally posted by Vrabac:
However, wing SC250s and some sort of Rockets (ANY rockets with AT capability, just for the sake of making F8 useful at all, since currently it's much smarter to take A8 or A9 and sacrifice the 4x50kg for 40-50kmh of life AND having twice as powerful gun armament) would be extremly welcome.

Unfortunately since nothing happened until now, I doubt we will ever see this. But who knows, we are allowed to hope I guess. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Perhaps you should not look at this as the lack of usefulness of the F8, but the overusefulness of rockets on other aircraft (due to excessive accuracy, exaggerated firepwoer and artificial ease of use in the sim world) and the lack of effectiveness in some current F8 weapons (e.g. somewhat bizarre AB bomb modelling).

In reality very few F8s were equipped with rockets and were only used at the very end of the war. For the rest of its non-rocket-carrying service life, the Germans certainly did not consider their 190 jabos useless.

That being said, I believe Oleg took a very earnest look at adding the Panzerblitz system, but obviously other additions have taken precedence (as they should, along with urgently needed fixes).

Pimpo
02-17-2006, 02:57 AM
having a larger flexibility but different bomb loadouts would help already http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif (3x250/2x250, 1x500/1x1000) also, would be nice to have jsut any combination of AB/SC that would be possible, i.e. for AT, AB500 + SC250 might be more helpful thant usign a SC500.

Willey
02-17-2006, 03:55 AM
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/59.gif http://blitzpigs.com/forum/images/smiles/bump-smile.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/59.gif

Codex1971
02-17-2006, 04:42 AM
Originally posted by MADCAT3:
I WANT THESE LOAD OUTS... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif
http://www.baseclass.modulweb.dk/69giap/fileadmin/69_giap_private/images/olegpimp.jpg

Trust Oleg to keep the best load outs for him self lol

I would worry more about the FM for the FW190 then adding a bomb, but that‚‚ā¨ôs my opinion.

http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

I'm sorry for re-hashing this pic so late...but I had a bad day at work and this pic has just made my day...LOL http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/34.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/clap.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/winky.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

Viper2005_
02-17-2006, 08:23 AM
Bump for the SC1000!

Bremspropeller
02-17-2006, 10:08 AM
Bah-douge-wah

Viper2005_
02-18-2006, 03:01 PM
Bump for the SC1000

A.K.Davis
02-20-2006, 09:10 AM
By the way all, the 1000kg bomb had to be modified to clear the ground on Fw-190s.

jagdmailer
02-20-2006, 10:01 AM
I would be happy with a 1 X SC500 + 2 X SC250 loadout.

Jagd

Sintubin
02-20-2006, 10:32 AM
BUMB http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

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MercilessFatBoy
03-01-2006, 04:27 PM
Bump

TX-Gunslinger
03-03-2006, 02:25 AM
Bump...Bump...Bump...

1 X 1000

and/or

2 X 250's and 1 X 500

If the F8 can't take off (I don't believe this) with these two loadouts, then perhaps our F8 is not producing enough lift.

BTW, can someone tell me what targets in the sim you can take out with a 1000, that you can't take out with 2 X 250's and 1 X 500 kilo?

S~

Viper2005_
03-03-2006, 10:08 AM
SC1000 = any ship killed in a single pass AFAIK.

Yes, I could ripple the SC250s and the SC500, but in my experience, a single large bomb is often more effective in game than many smaller bombs.

Bump for SC1000!

Matz0r
03-03-2006, 01:20 PM
http://www.pfy.nu/wwii/Aircrafts/Germany/Fw190/FW190-A5-45.jpg

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/784.gif

Viper2005_
03-03-2006, 02:42 PM
Would also be good, but probably harder to model due to the need for a new tail-wheel.

Plus, torpedos in IL2 have an infinite range which can be quite bad for gameplay, especially in dogfight maps; you can tee the thing up from 10 km or more away, let rip and fly home. As you turn final it says "Enemy Ship Destroyed" and the chatbar fills with the letters F T and W in a certain special order...

Pimpo
03-07-2006, 01:53 AM
*bomb* http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Scen
03-07-2006, 10:21 AM
You have my vote

MercilessFatBoy
03-19-2006, 07:09 AM
bump

MercilessFatBoy
03-25-2006, 12:25 PM
bump

joeap
03-25-2006, 04:09 PM
bump! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/winky.gif