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mattinen
08-03-2006, 06:42 AM
Most of us have probably heard of allied airmen killed by German civilians in 1943-45, but similar German casualties are perhaps less known. This thread may be of some interest:

http://forum.12oclockhigh.net/showthread.php?s=4f96a2f8...4a4a7604da7ed&t=5600 (http://forum.12oclockhigh.net/showthread.php?s=4f96a2f8ad8aa5553ec4a4a7604da7ed&t=5600)

mattinen
08-03-2006, 06:42 AM
Most of us have probably heard of allied airmen killed by German civilians in 1943-45, but similar German casualties are perhaps less known. This thread may be of some interest:

http://forum.12oclockhigh.net/showthread.php?s=4f96a2f8...4a4a7604da7ed&t=5600 (http://forum.12oclockhigh.net/showthread.php?s=4f96a2f8ad8aa5553ec4a4a7604da7ed&t=5600)

joeap
08-03-2006, 07:05 AM
In fact that thread throws doubt on the reality of the event.

leitmotiv
08-03-2006, 07:07 AM
Fortunes of war---if it happened. That crew may have been cheerfully strafing civilians shortly before getting shot down.

Bearcat99
08-03-2006, 07:10 AM
That stuiff has happened on all side and it does in every war.. to think otherwise is to kid yourself...

Ernst_Rohr
08-03-2006, 09:12 AM
In fact it was not that uncommon.

German airmen were VERY reluctant to bail out over Soviet territory for exactly that reason.

Conversely, the Brits had to rush to the scene of any German plane downed during the Battle of Britain to avoid the local civilians taking matters into their own hands.

The Japanese Army Air Force actually changed the flightsuit for its home defense pilots to include a large Japanese flag on the sleeves, after one of their own pilots was beaten to death by Japanese civilians after an allied bombing raid. The unfortunate pilot had been shot down attacking the B-29's and was badly burned before he managed to bail out, and the civilians couldnt tell who he was.

Basic fact, people DONT like getting bombed, and are not likely to reactly in a positive manner if encountering the bomber or friends thereof. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

polak5
08-03-2006, 10:46 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Bearcat99:
That stuiff has happened on all side and it does in every war.. to think otherwise is to kid yourself... </div></BLOCKQUOTE> http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/agreepost.gif

Genie-
08-03-2006, 10:48 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Bearcat99:
That stuiff has happened on all side and it does in every war.. to think otherwise is to kid yourself... </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

sad but true, both sides, all the time in any war.

TgD Thunderbolt56
08-03-2006, 11:29 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Ernst_Rohr:
...Basic fact, people DONT like getting bombed, and are not likely to reactly in a positive manner if encountering the bomber or friends thereof. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


Couldn't have said it better myself. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif


TB

PBNA-Boosher
08-03-2006, 03:08 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by TgD Thunderbolt56:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Ernst_Rohr:
...Basic fact, people DONT like getting bombed, and are not likely to reactly in a positive manner if encountering the bomber or friends thereof. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


Couldn't have said it better myself. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif


TB </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Amen!

Bo_Nidle
08-03-2006, 05:12 PM
"It is well that war is so terrible €" lest we should grow too fond of it". Robert E Lee - Confederate Army

"War is a messy business, a very,very, messy business" James T Kirk - Starfleet

WarWolfe_1
08-03-2006, 05:25 PM
It happens, it sucks that it happens but it does. I'm sure if any of the 9/11 Highjackers had survied and bailed he would have been Lynched, no doubt in my mind about that.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content"> Basic fact, people DONT like getting bombed, and are not likely to reactly in a positive manner if encountering the bomber or friends thereof. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

This is so true, think I might add it to my sig.

orkan_3d
08-03-2006, 05:27 PM
War is bull...
The thing that we all are fascinated with it is even more fascinating.

luftluuver
08-03-2006, 05:40 PM
Did any read the link? They were not killed by civilians but by African French troops.

VW-IceFire
08-03-2006, 07:38 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by orkan_3d:
War is bull...
The thing that we all are fascinated with it is even more fascinating. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
I think I am fascinated about war and in particular WWII because its a tragedy...and its appear is on the same level as a Shakespearian tragedy. It has a certain appeal to it...after the fact of course. I'm personally horrified about the current conflicts.

La7_brook
08-07-2006, 04:18 AM
you guys need too read more or just look at theses forums , guys grt fairly hot headed here so how do u think they got on in real life, both sides did and not just on the eastern front ,thats on west too / Christer Bergstr¶m books are a good read for both sides with no holds barred

SeaFireLIV
08-07-2006, 05:13 AM
Not a surprise at all. One thing you learn as you go along in life, is that the not-so-nice truth is glossed over since no one likes to admit that theycould be as bad as the enemy sometimes.

Unfortunately, this can get so glossed over that people start believing that certain things can never actually happen or only happen from one particular creed, country or group. But never theirs of course.

It`s really a case of a lack of realistic imagination.

BaronUnderpants
08-07-2006, 05:40 AM
If i remember correctly i read the exact same incounter in a book by....?. Cant recall the auther but its the same "series" as Pierre Closterman. Was about a british pilot serving in France at the outbrake of the war....Anyone know wich one?

Anyways he wrote about witnessing that incedent ( may have been a friend of his ) and i seem to recall it was British Gurkhas, the ones with thoose big knives. They "jogged" passed a downed He111 made a quick turn, pulled out the crew and made the proccess short more or less without slowing down. Thats how it "sounded" when i read it anyway. He went on writing about the total caos surrounding the german invasion of France and all kinds of rumers, spies, assasinations of high ranking millitary personel by infiltrating germans, paratroopers dressed up as nuns and so on.

Wouldnt suprise me if all of it was true, all kinds of wierd stuff happens in war, reality is often wierder than fiction. That it was wrong goes without saying, but what isnt with war.

If i remember it correctly, was a couple of years ago i read it.

EDIT: Im pretty sure the auther was Paul Rickey.