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MB_Avro_UK
04-18-2007, 03:03 PM
Hi all,

I've not tried Track IR but I'm tempted. Any opinions on this free alternative?

http://freelook.org:80/

Best Regards,
MB_Avro.

rnzoli
04-18-2007, 03:56 PM
It works for me, very immersive, but after a lot of tweaking and home-made stuff making. It's not free - because it takes a lot of free time away from you http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif But it is working quite well now. PM a gentleman called Inadaze, he knows it all, I am still grateful for his excellent suggest on using NewView smoothing on top of the internal smoothing of Freelook.

Inadaze
04-19-2007, 06:49 AM
Thanks for the kind words rnzoli http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blush.gif Lol, I wouldn't say I know it all! I just like anything that works and is cheap! All I've done is try to get what info I can from the Russian guys who really know the score... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Hi MB Avro,

Here's a couple of recent threads that explain a bit about using Freelook and setting it up... The second thread has download link in it to an up to date version of newview and some settings a Russian guy called OlegTR came up with (To use freelook with newview), he has the sensitivity quite high, but overall it's probably the best profile I've come across, just turn the sensitivity down in freelook while you get used to using it, as you get more control you can start cranking it up again.

Getting an LED light source makes all the difference http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/10.gif , and like rnzoli said, be prepared to do quite alot of faffing with settings, and it can take a while to get used too using your head to view (much like Trackir).

First Thread (http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/23110283/m/5931045145?r=5671095245#5671095245)

2nd Thread, more info on using Newview with Freelook (http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/23110283/m/7821051345?r=9771033345#9771033345)

Good Luck!

Inadaze.

Chris0382
04-19-2007, 07:59 AM
I tried cam2pan and freelook and got them working nicely and smoothy with an LED from RS or walmart. The problem was that re-centering was a royal PIA and so I gave up on them.

Lodovik
04-19-2007, 08:32 AM
I used this for quite awhile, until I got fed up with the fact that my settings wouldn't stick. In effect I had to do a ten minute set-up procedure everytime I wanted to use Freelook. As I got some unexpected tax returns not soon after, the way for TIR was well paved http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif
That was over one and a half years, though, so maybe Freelook works better these days. Besides, since it's free, it's not like you have to pay an arm and a leg to try. Hope it works out, it's a whole new world out there! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

Scen
04-19-2007, 11:00 AM
Stop it with the free stuff already and go buy a TIR and be done with it.

Yes it's worth it ya cheapo... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

TgD Thunderbolt56
04-19-2007, 11:13 AM
Originally posted by Scen:
Stop it with the free stuff already and go buy a TIR and be done with it.

Yes it's worth it ya cheapo... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/34.gif

Actually, I admire the dudes that have developed these alternatives. I too was a diehard hatswitch user even AFTER I got my first TIRv1 and stuffed it in the closet for lack of patience.

The reality is, there just isn't an equivalent to TIRv3 or 4 IMO. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

knightflyte
04-19-2007, 12:03 PM
I had Track IR 1. It gave me the fits getting it to center in IL2. Once FB arrived I never had an issue with centering while using the enhanced mode. (or whatever the option is called in TrIR)

TrIR 4 is the bees knees. If money isn't an issue and this is a hobby you enjoy more than a casual glimpse, then I whole heartedly recommend getting TrIR4.

The other free track ir alternatives may give you the ability to scan the skies without hatswitch, but from almost all accounts I've read they can't measure to Track IR.

WWSpinDry
04-19-2007, 12:10 PM
I usually toss my own little testimonial into threads like these. A squad mate gave me their TIR2, and it was great, though it had some limitations. Still, imperfect as it was, I quickly came to see it as a necessity, not a luxury.

Then I bought a TIR4. The improvement was incredible. Seriously, if anyone has doubts based on experiences with TIR1 or TIR2, just upgrade. You won't regret it.

BaldieJr
04-19-2007, 12:47 PM
I dunno. I only recently moved to Tir4. To be honest its not a great improvement over Tir2. In fact the only reason I didn't return it is because 6dof in FS2004 is damned nice.

Rammathorn_
04-19-2007, 12:57 PM
I know its expensive, but TiR 4 will work flawlessly with almost no effort required by the user. I don't have any experience with the webcam programs, but if I had to rate the usefulness of TrackIR in IL2, I would put it just below a joystick.

Bearcat99
04-19-2007, 01:13 PM
Originally posted by BaldieJr:
I dunno. I only recently moved to Tir4. To be honest its not a great improvement over Tir2. In fact the only reason I didn't return it is because 6dof in FS2004 is damned nice.

Thats why I am waiting for BoB to come out before I get 4.... who knows maybe TIR5 will be out then. I got TIR2 and @21 days later 3 was announced....

WWSpinDry
04-19-2007, 02:28 PM
Well, given the thread's been well and truly hijacked ...

Not trying to be overly contrary, but when I endorse something I want to be clear on what I perceive to be the benefits. I see TIR4 offering several substantial improvements over TIR2, based on my recent personal experience with both.

Improvement number one: three tracking points versus one. TIR2 was unable to distinguish whether I was actually turning my head, or just moving it from side to side--such as shifting in my chair. TIR4 knows the difference, and spurious in-game head movement has all but disappeared.

Number two: range of motion. TIR2 had a limited field of view, so when I was moving my head near the limits of the range motion would get jerky and unpredictable. The problem was exacerbated by the reflective square on my Track Hat being at an angle to the unit, presenting a smaller dot to track, right where it was already having difficulty. The TIR2 problem could be mitigated somewhat by amplifying the tracking curves, but at the expense of overall smoothness. With TIR4 detection is smooth and precise even at the extreme edges of head movement, and the reflective strips on the track clip are curved so they present the same amount of reflective area even at extreme head tilts.

Number three: Precision and smoothness. With TIR2, if I moved my head too quickly, especially at slant (as in not discrete up/down or side/side motion), the in-game tracking would frequently get very jerky, or freeze altogether and then jump to the new spot, causing a lot of disorientation. Working with NP techs and changing some USB settings on my rig mitigated the problem somewhat, but it was never satisfactory, especially looking right-to-left. With TIR4 I can move my head as arbitrarily and quickly as I like, and tracking is instant, smooth and precise. I have yet to have a disoriented episode where my on-screen viewpoint isn't exactly where I expected based on my head movement.

Number four: software interface. The new interface for setting and adjusting tracking curves is much, much improved over the v3.13 software, especially in how many adjustment points you get. The 3D head displays are especially useful in tweaking the fringes of the tracking area.

Okay, I think that covers the bulk of my glee over my upgrade. Please add whatever grains of salt you feel are appropriate. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

nikelamp
05-07-2007, 03:58 PM
Or... you may want to try this: http://www.cachya.com. It is an 6DOF software solution, not free but works great for me.

Good luck.


Originally posted by MB_Avro_UK:
Hi all,

I've not tried Track IR but I'm tempted. Any opinions on this free alternative?

http://freelook.org:80/

Best Regards,
MB_Avro.