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Clan_Graham
05-01-2005, 12:33 PM
"DOWNFALL"
Go see it. NOW !!!

It's an absolutely brilliant masterpiece of sheer cinematic perfection !!!
Not only is it the best war movie I have ever seen, but it is quite possibly the best movie of any kind that I have ever seen!

This movie grabs you by your private parts and squeezes until you beg for mercy...and you'll love every second of it!
Completely mesmerizing. I couldn't take my eyes off it! I actually had shivers run down my back a few times while watching it!

Movie making at it's very best!
Trust me. You will NOT be disappointed!

Here's the web site if you'd like to see the trailer.
http://www.downfallthefilm.com/

jensenpark
05-01-2005, 12:48 PM
I've heard it is very good...may wait for it to come out on dvd though...

Bearcat99
05-01-2005, 12:57 PM
WOW!!!!! Even the trailer is riveting..... I have to look for this film. It looks like a keeper from the trailer. It would appear that this film is indeed a MUST SEE.... just from the snippets in the trailer it would appear that they went to great legnths for accuracy.... I have read of some of the things I saw from several sources..... looks like a must see.

Saunders1953
05-01-2005, 04:10 PM
I saw it last Sunday; You're right Graham, it is one of the best war movies I've seen especially as pertains to Hitler and his cronies. Bruno Ganz has Hitler down to a "T" and Goebbels (Sp?) is spot on too. The scary part for me is that there came a point in the film where I started to feel kinda sorry for Adolf--it creeps me out that the film humanized him to a degree that I could get to that state. But then he would start spouting some National Socialist ****, or his egomaniacal/megilomania would come flying out and I would come back to reality. But still.... Also, Madga Goebbels is the epitome of a Nazi B**ch. Don't miss it.

(Was hoping for more street fighting scenes, but that's not its focus.)

Tallyho1961
05-01-2005, 05:29 PM
I've seen it twice and it surpasses its billing. It's as good a movie as you'll ever see. Form the WWII perspective, it had a 'Private Ryan' magnitude impact on me.

Find it before it leaves the theatres. The DVD will be a must-own, but this is big screen material all the way.

PS - Saunders: I hear you on the humanization thing - I felt it too, but I'm one of those who believes people like Hitler should be humanized because it makes him even more scary. The fact that he could be kind to his dog and polite to his secretaries, while wreaking havoc on a large part of humanity, is the real lesson to be learned from this dark chapter of history.

dazza9806482
05-01-2005, 05:33 PM
WHOOPS,

Sorry for the double topic! Should probably have read down the topic list first.

yeah, i have just watched it and can thoroughly recommend it as i said in my duplicate post.

the only aspect (and this isnt a criticisim) is the lack of accessability, i went with my fellow history graduate mate, not the girlfriend, and it helps to understand a bit of background, as little is flagged regarding the characters and who they are...

fair enough in my view, and further evidence of why hollywood is the demise of western culture. they would have utterly butchered a film like this...

LeadSpitter_
05-01-2005, 05:40 PM
Looks good I seen the trailer along time ago. One thing that bugs me is the actors dont really look like the real person.

Ex: the guy playing hitler, sure he does a good acting job it seems a little over the top a bit.

With band of brothers you can tell who all the actors were potraing in the movie by just by seeing the intervies of the veterans afterwards. Gaurnere for example, to me thats great casting and acting.

dazza9806482
05-01-2005, 05:48 PM
Actually Leadspitter thats a fair point, i ****ged hollywood however i am a big fan of band of brothers....

i suppose i really mean hollywood blockbuster style films.

as for the casting, its hard to tell, not having experience of these individuals personalities

however after a scene or two u are utterly immersed. ganz is hitler and the actor that plays goebbels is uncanny.

they even recreate the famous cine footage of hitler awarding boy soldiers medals. he looks exactly like the photographs, gaunt and hagard...

as regards the dramatic aspect of Ganz's performance it is engrosing and seems to fit what we know of Hitler firey temper and startling idiosynracies, tender one minute and brutally genocidal the next...

go see it!

Tallyho1961
05-01-2005, 05:50 PM
Roger on Band of Brothers - the absolute all-time best WWII combat drama ever made. Edges out Private Ryan because of the sheer scope of the project. I've seen it two or three times - once in order - and I don't think there's a single 'BS' moment - when you say to yourself 'gee I wish they hadn't done that' - in the whole ten episodes. Remarkable work.

Bearcat99
05-01-2005, 09:40 PM
BoB is great.. I told my wife thats what I want for my birthday... but I have to see this movie... Im going to get DBW also.. from Amazon..

Monson74
05-02-2005, 12:57 AM
Yes - the scary thing is that Hitler wasn't a monster - he was a human being like the rest of us. We can't just label him & put it all away - then history will repeat itself... & it wasn't just Hitler & those close to him - it was thousands of people doing their job & duty like they were supposed to do - like we're all supposed to do...

Finkeren
05-02-2005, 02:21 AM
I have seen this movie quite a few times now, and I must say that it beats all of my favourite wartime movies (most of them being German BTW) What strikes me is actually that Bruno Ganz DOES look very much like bad ol' Adolf. You just don't realize it from stills or short clips, the way he switches from hyperactive blind optimism to the depression of the doomed is some of the best acting EVER!
The reasons why I really like the film is:

1. It tells us that Hitler was a human being like the rest of us, thus potetially we could all have done this. If you make a monster out of him, you actually take away the worst part of it all: The human destructive behavior

2. Hitler was not alone in this, it was not "one bad man" who tricked everyone into this madness. Hitler was both supported and attempted controlled by most of the German elite, including the big German (and some American)coorporations, wich came out of the war with huge profits. In addition he was supported by most of the German people. None can be said to be free of sin, NONE.

ALL GO SEE THAT MOVIE!
Oh and BTW I'm not German actually, and I still feel responsebility

The.Tyke
05-02-2005, 04:12 AM
If you want Bay watch babes with perfect teeth or Hollywood special effects, forget it !
This is definately one of the best WW2 films ever, on a par with Das Boot.
The gritty acting is superb and you actually feel as though you are in that **** bunker !

Unfortunately it's not out on general release in the UK as it seems most film go'ers don't have the processing power to appreciate films like Downfall these days !

Spitf_ACE
05-02-2005, 05:34 AM
If you're in the UK, go to Ents24 (http://www.ents24.com/web/) to see what films are on at what time in your area.

Fortunately I live in London, and always have a choice of venues.

I saw Downfall a couple of weeks ago, and agree with everyone here that it is a masterpeice

-HH- Beebop
05-02-2005, 07:18 AM
SOLD!

However I'll probably have to wait for the DVD as (especially in this part of the US, Oregon) movies like this are seldom, if ever played. We're just a little too conservative despite our outward appearance of liberalism.

ForkTailedDevil
05-02-2005, 08:36 AM
I have seen this movie twice what a excellent movie. I have even had a few nightmares about being in that bunker. Even though I have read what happened, whatching Gobbels wife walk around and murder all of her kids just chills you right down to your core.

Capt._Tenneal
05-02-2005, 10:41 AM
I saw it once in the theaters also. Excellent film.

I don't know if it's some sort of violence-in-film rule in German cinema, but despite the realism of the film it's still pretty bloodless. You don't see the graphic stuff that's the norm nowadays in Hollywood WW II war films since "Saving Private Ryan" and BoB.

As far as the two prominent women in the cast, Eva Braun looked more like Mia Farrow than the one from history. And Magda Goebbels was sinister but the actress who played her is quite a looker (in a Helen Mirren sort of way).

The most shocking moment for me actually were the scenes with the kids manning the anti-tank or anti-aircraft gun. The way they still blindly believed in the Nazi's and were still spouting the propaganda was chilling. It shows how much some of the young were totally brainwashed. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

BuzzU
05-02-2005, 10:56 AM
Seeing Hitler get his butt kicked, is always good entertainment.

RedDeth
05-02-2005, 11:30 AM
for sheer emotion and feeling no one can put band of brothers above saving private ryan.

private ryan hits the emotions much better.

but band was good and i taped it.

darkhorizon11
05-02-2005, 02:16 PM
Unfortunately, it won't get much attention in the US because it focuses on the Germans vs. Russians with no Americans involved...

As for Hollywood its not that their inherently bad. They just always skew the actual events in favor of a love story because of marketing "experts" who think that it will fill some extra seats. Greed is a powerful thing.

Aaron_GT
05-02-2005, 03:39 PM
Bruno Ganz

Wasn't he the fallen angel in Wim Wenders "Wings of Desire"?

bigchump
05-02-2005, 05:49 PM
Didn't Schickelgruber love his dog right up until he had her poisoned?
See, he had his good points, he wasn't all bad.

JFC_subg
05-02-2005, 06:33 PM
yep agree with most/all above but would also like to point people to another MUST SEE war film that only a sociopath would not find haunting - its called "come and see" and was made in Russia in the 80s, very harrowing and also unusual too, if you see it you will never forget it

Midway41
05-02-2005, 10:54 PM
Wow, this €œDownfall€ sounds amazing and the trailer makes me want to see it as soon as possible.

Don€t mean to get off topic or anything, but one of the best war films I€ve ever seen (and I€ve seen a lot) is one called, €œTae-Gu-Ki€. It€s a foreign film as well as €œDownfall€ and displays a tragic story of the relationship between two brothers during the Korean civil war. They carry it at Blockbuster, and I don€t mean to offend anyone, but it makes €œSaving Private Ryan€ look like a walk in the park or some kind of tranquil picnic. It hasn€t really gotten its own voice out (and I€m guessing because it is a foreign film) but it was recommended to me, and I thought, why not? I was a bit skeptical about it at first, but once I started watching it€¦I was completely GLUED to the screen of the film. It escalates in a blink of an eye. I€ve never seen so much character integrity in a movie. It€s perfectly cinematic, the pictures are amazing and I€ve never seen a war film as realistic as this one.

The next time you go out to rent a movie, get this one! Remember: Tae-Gu-Ki

I swear to you, you won€t regret it!

HotelBushranger
05-03-2005, 02:26 AM
Yes, I really want to watch this movie. I've seen several reviews, and they all give it extremely high marks. Unfortunately, as it's a foreign film but not from America, the biggest movie makers, it is hardly available in my area.

Xnomad
05-03-2005, 02:37 AM
Great film! And it is out on DVD, just not everywhere that's all.

http://www.amazon.de/exec/obidos/ASIN/B0007KNWZI/qid=1115109210/sr=1-2/ref=sr_1_10_2/302-0390100-3925612

So far I couldn't pick out any large historical inaccuracies, even some of the bunker layout (at a glance) seems correct.

dazza9806482
05-03-2005, 02:43 AM
Yeah there really is an astonishing attention to detail, later in the film when Eva and Trauld are in the bunkers outside yard, you can hear Katushya rockets in the background.
Doesnt use any poetic license as well, each scene is based on as much as we know of the historical realities.

Especially the scene when upon hearing Hitlers suicide gun shot, everyone simultaneously sparks up.....

in fact the whole film featured a lot of smoking, something i could tell was torture for my cig loving mate

Aaron_GT
05-03-2005, 04:25 AM
I haven't seen the film myself but many reviewers have praised it for showing the banality of evil, and the strange twists of personality that the morally corrupt have. Basically it means we have to pay careful attention as you can't necessarily spot such evil people with just a glance. Kind of scary.

mynameisroland
05-03-2005, 05:50 AM
Originally posted by BuzzU:
Seeing Hitler get his butt kicked, is always good entertainment.



'I just love watching the beach scene in Saving Private Ryan where the US soldiers get hosed by Mg40's and blown up by artillery seeing any film where the USA get its butt kicked is good entertainment.'


comment?

Bye the way Downfall is a great film Bruno Ganz deserves wider recognition that he will get. His spontaneous rants and gestures were terrifying and Frau Goebells was chillingly portrayed.

What struck home for me was that my grandmother was drafted in to a flak battalion like those young kids who were killed. The propaganda that blinded them in the film was shocking, particularly when that beautiful girl asked the boy to shoot her in the chest while she Seig Heiled to avoid capture by the Russians.