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MEGILE
12-18-2005, 03:17 PM

BuzzU
12-18-2005, 03:24 PM
This isn't the real world, so what does it matter?

92SqnGCJimbo
12-18-2005, 03:33 PM
sure megile... whatever u say http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

John_Wayne_
12-18-2005, 03:49 PM
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif

Ken_Det
12-18-2005, 03:50 PM
Good gun platform, fast in a dive, handles real well as long as you know what you are doing.
Not to mention it's the one I like to fly the most.
In good hands its a killing machine http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

92SqnGCJimbo
12-18-2005, 04:40 PM
get yer pitch forks and torches ready... root out the heretic....

Monty_Thrud
12-18-2005, 04:59 PM
NO!...but good ...yes...in the right hands

Spitfire roXXors or you wouldnt be here

bow http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif

Badsight.
12-18-2005, 08:36 PM
Megile , i love your style

you are much better at this than i am http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif

92SqnGCJimbo , i actually respect Stigler a lot for his knowledge & accurate breakdown of FB that he can do at times

neural_dream
12-18-2005, 08:40 PM
Well, urm, actually I do believe the Fw190 was the best of WW2 http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif.

faustnik
12-18-2005, 09:06 PM
It's got to be a contentder below 5K meters, above that, well, not so much. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

You need a 6th "All of the Above" option.

Pirschjaeger
12-18-2005, 09:17 PM
To be honest, I don't know but if I had to guess I'd say yes. It's really hard to decide but if you imagine everything being equal, like pilots, times, numbers, then I'd definitely say yes.

But, like all planes, the 190 is a simple machine and limited by the master plan.

Fritz

MEGILE
12-19-2005, 04:32 AM
Originally posted by 92SqnGCJimbo:
sure megile... whatever u say http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

Care to revise my history?

The Focke Wulf was shooting the allies down in droves until it was besieged by numbers. The Focke Wulf's performance was unmatched and therefore unrivalled by any allied fighter.



Spitfire roXXors or you wouldnt be here

In my History books the allies didn't invade Europe until America finally joined the war.

Like I said.. a war of numbers. Even the Focke Wulf's kill score of 10:1 couldn't sustain the German fight.

CaptAce
12-19-2005, 04:35 AM
Dunno if it's the best fighter of WW2. I'll leave it to you argumentative types to decide. It's sure my favorite plane to fly, though!!

WOLFMondo
12-19-2005, 04:45 AM
FW190 r0x0rs my b0x0rs!

Tempest was the best plane of WW2 but if there is a 2nd place the 190 occupies it.

ElAurens
12-19-2005, 05:18 AM
Um, what exactly is the range of an FW 190?

Case closed.

MEGILE
12-19-2005, 05:26 AM
The Boeing 747-400 can fly 11,000KM non-stop.

Still sore about the FW-190 influencing the bearcat?

I bet it stings liked a face slap on a cold winters day.

WOLFMondo
12-19-2005, 05:30 AM
Originally posted by ElAurens:
Um, what exactly is the range of an FW 190?

Case closed.

Enough so it could take off, shoot some planes down and get home.

Case is still open.

F19_Olli72
12-19-2005, 05:39 AM
What was the k/d ratio for FW190? Finnish Brewsters had 26:1 http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Hristo_
12-19-2005, 06:12 AM
Messerschmitt 109 was the best fighter of the war.

3 guys managed to shoot down 928 enemy planes flying those. And they even lived to tell about it.

MEGILE
12-19-2005, 06:14 AM
The Me-109 served during WW2, 3 years before the Focke Wulf.
It's kill score and ratio is nothing spectacular.

92SqnGCJimbo
12-19-2005, 06:15 AM
megile.. might i ask what history books you are reading this information from????

btw that root out the heretic comment was made more to illustrate the fact that this is just going to become a flame war...

a stupid question i know.. but do people make post like "this plane was the best ever" posts just to stir trouble?? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif

BSS_Goat
12-19-2005, 06:17 AM
Disagree 93.6%

Bearcat99
12-19-2005, 06:18 AM
Riiiiiiight......

MEGILE
12-19-2005, 06:23 AM
Originally posted by 92SqnGCJimbo:
megile.. might i ask what history books you are reading this information from????


I could post a "Spitfire was the best fighter" thread, to suite your sensitive disposition.


Bearcat99
Riiiiiiight......


Agree 100%


Goat

Disagree 93.6%

6.4% aint bad. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

robban75
12-19-2005, 06:24 AM
From the earliest Antons to the highflying Ta 152H, Kurt Tanks creation was superior, or at least equal to anything the allies could field throughout the war from sealevel to 14,000m.

92SqnGCJimbo
12-19-2005, 06:32 AM
megile.. tbh there are many planes that can be considered for the "best plane ever" award... i just want to see the proof you have to make such a bold statement

i mean dont get me wrong.. the early fw190's were awsome when compared to other fighters..
kinda like the me109 when that was released.. however the later ones just seem to miss something..

now best plane ever 1942/43.. then maybe.. then it did crush everything.. but later on in the war in just kinda got overtook.. in places
but thats just mine and a few other peoples feelings on the subject.

so yet again i am asking what sources are you using..

Hristo_
12-19-2005, 06:45 AM
Originally posted by Megile:
The Me-109 served during WW2, 3 years before the Focke Wulf.
It's kill score and ratio is nothing spectacular.

A guy started combat flying 109s almost 2 years after Fw 190 was introduced.

He shot down 352 planes in less than 3 years.

Now that I think of it, our 109 is surely undermodelled, as it is impossible to repeat this historical feat in our sim. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

neural_dream
12-19-2005, 06:48 AM
Dreyer almost did it http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif.

http://dreyermachine.com/il2/

ploughman
12-19-2005, 07:01 AM
Originally posted by Hristo_:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Megile:
The Me-109 served during WW2, 3 years before the Focke Wulf.
It's kill score and ratio is nothing spectacular.

A guy started combat flying 109s almost 2 years after Fw 190 was introduced.

He shot down 352 planes in less than 3 years.

Now that I think of it, our 109 is surely undermodelled, as it is impossible to repeat this historical feat in our sim. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Wel then, he must be the exception that proves the rule. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

MEGILE
12-19-2005, 07:10 AM
Originally posted by Hristo_:


A guy started combat flying 109s almost 2 years after Fw 190 was introduced.

He shot down 352 planes in less than 3 years.


For every plane he destroyed, an me-109 was shot down.

FW-190 never suffered a 1:1 kill ratio.

Hristo_
12-19-2005, 07:11 AM
3 top aces of all time flew the 109. They totalled 928 air victories.

Exception ? Coincidence ?

Of 20 top Luftwaffe aces, 12 flew the 109 exclusively. Is Oleg listening ?

Even Adolph Garand chose the 109 as his ride when asked what would he rather flew. He used his famous phrase: "...as if the angels were pulling...".

F19_Olli72
12-19-2005, 07:15 AM
And what makes you think your as good as them Hristo? Stop whining and learn to fly. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif

MEGILE
12-19-2005, 07:17 AM
20:12 .... that equates to..

5:3

Now, pray tell the ratio of ME-109 to FW-190 Produced. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

neural_dream
12-19-2005, 07:18 AM
In the 109 I feel as if I am the one who fights, not a vehicle that I control. Many aces preferred it over the FW. Although it was much better, it didn't provide that feeling. Oleg captures that in this game and I'm grateful for that http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif.

wojtek_m
12-19-2005, 07:25 AM
Originally posted by robban75:
From the earliest Antons to the highflying Ta 152H, Kurt Tanks creation was superior, or at least equal to anything the allies could field throughout the war from sealevel to 14,000m.

Well, the FW190 was faster and better armed than most of his contemporary opponents, but it was a pretty weak turner and climber. Therefore it was most certainly not the best air superiority fighter. And I wouldn't call it the best overall fighter either. But it was one of the best.

Doctor-Pain
12-19-2005, 07:38 AM
I would say the Dora was the best PISTON engine fighter. The sentence by A. Galland was "As if angels were pushing" and he said it after flying the ME262 Jet, so this was the overall best.
For the high scoring numbers of the BF109:
The problem was that most Squads on the eastern front used BF109 as standard, as the enemy planes weren't as good as in the west and the production rate of the BF109 was higher. The FW was almost only used for Ground attacking in the east replacing the outdated Stukas. All the high scoring pilots flew in the East. Here you have the reason for the BF109 being the plane which the ACES flew.

Pirschjaeger
12-19-2005, 07:53 AM
Had the 109 and 190 developed at the same speed and during the same timeline, and had been in equal numbers and battles, I think the 190 would have come out ahead of the 109 but not by much.

This is a very complicated issue to figure out. The experts have been arguing about this for over 60 years now. The proplem is the lack of consistency in time, machine, pilots, and situations. Obviously, this would take one hell of a complicated formula to answer the question.

I know some will claim I'm biased but honestly I think either the 109 or the 190 was the best WW2 fighter. Had the Luftwaffe and the leaders put a real effort into pushing aviation development throughout the war, instead of just before the war and almost at the end, we wouldn't even be having this discussion.

You can be thankful the Nazi leadership was so slack.

Fritz

robban75
12-19-2005, 08:30 AM
Originally posted by wojtek_m:
Well, the FW190 was faster and better armed than most of his contemporary opponents, but it was a pretty weak turner and climber. Therefore it was most certainly not the best air superiority fighter. And I wouldn't call it the best overall fighter either. But it was one of the best.

It wasn't a good turner, but Tank never meant for it to be a turnfighter either. The Fw 190 was not a weak climber though, at least not below 5000. And it depends on which version of course. A Fw 190A8/R2 was for obvious reasons not a very good climber. But the Fw 190A-5/6 were very much competitive. At least when compared to the P-47 and P-51. The Fw 190D-9 and Ta 152 were both exceptional climbers. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

jensenpark
12-19-2005, 08:52 AM
I had lunch with this gentleman last week:

http://www.hawkertempest.se/whitman.htm

He was a test pilot as well - and was later part of a unit that tested captured German planes - 109/190/262 etc

He states the 190 Dora was the best EXCEPT for the Tempest V.

Of coure you have to throw in the usual caveats: altitude, bias, role/purpose of the plane, etc
Bit like answering what is better: Lanc or B17 - both had many points of strengths over the other

OldMan____
12-19-2005, 09:18 AM
Originally posted by Hristo_:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Megile:
The Me-109 served during WW2, 3 years before the Focke Wulf.
It's kill score and ratio is nothing spectacular.

A guy started combat flying 109s almost 2 years after Fw 190 was introduced.

He shot down 352 planes in less than 3 years.

Now that I think of it, our 109 is surely undermodelled, as it is impossible to repeat this historical feat in our sim. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


Walter Nowotny was ahead of hartman when he died... so one proof cancels the other...

SeaNorris
12-19-2005, 09:19 AM
IL-2 was the best fighter of the war http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/34.gif

Kocur_
12-19-2005, 09:56 AM
Originally posted by Hristo_:
Even Adolph Garand chose the 109 as his ride when asked what would he rather flew. He used his famous phrase: "...as if the angels were pulling...".

He said that after flying early Me-262...

p1ngu666
12-19-2005, 10:03 AM
190 better than 109, anyways http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

Hristo_
12-19-2005, 10:16 AM
Originally posted by Kocur_:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Hristo_:
Even Adolph Garand chose the 109 as his ride when asked what would he rather flew. He used his famous phrase: "...as if the angels were pulling...".

He said that after flying early Me-262... </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

No !

He said "angels were pulling" about 109 and "angels were pushing" about 262. About 190, he said "angels were rolling".

Low_Flyer_MkII
12-19-2005, 10:24 AM
Nice soundbite from 'Dolfo here, along with some other quotes.

http://members.aol.com/geobat66/galland/quotes.htm

ElAurens
12-19-2005, 10:44 AM
Megile, if you think I am the least bit plused by that other bogus thread than you over estimate your own abilities and importance.

As a troll thread I rate this a 6 out of 10.
The basics are there but you are far too involved with the subject matter.

You should learn from a pro like Leadspitter.

Happy Holidays.

http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Bremspropeller
12-19-2005, 11:36 AM
Hum - I think I don't have to tell you about my attitude towards the 190. *insert a Lw pilot with a captured B3 jacket and sun-glasses here* http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

But speaking of 190s:

ElAurens, what's the Hawk 75 pit doin' ? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

GR142_Astro
12-19-2005, 12:38 PM
Great thread.

Who cares about RL, in game I am knife-fighting with 190s in the P38 and luvin' every moment. Got about a 50:0 KD ratio (1 v 1) going at the moment. Teh noxxors roxxors 190 doesn't handle the 4 x .50 and 20mm dot of death too well.

http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif


http://www.alaskool.org/projects/ak_military/wwii_slides/ItsyBitsy-76P38.jpg

MEGILE
12-19-2005, 12:50 PM
Originally posted by ElAurens:
Megile, if you think I am the least bit plused by that other bogus thread than you over estimate your own abilities and importance.



You are trying to convince someone here.. and it aint me.
One day you will believe yourself.


As a troll thread I rate this a 6 out of 10

This is no troll thread. I merely stated an opinion... and as expected some (inc. you) rather over-sensisitive people enter the thread and start to reply like I just insulted their mother.

joeap
12-19-2005, 01:46 PM
Megile dude, I love the FW-190 but don't believe in "The (New) Best" category. especially as WWII, heck every war is about teamwork and combined ops. It did and does pwn very often though. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

stathem
12-19-2005, 02:13 PM
The Fw190 cost the Germans the war.

It's abject performance over 25,000' meant it could not deny the British the chance to observe what was going on in German held territory, which observation led to accurate target selection for the strategic bomber forces. Indeed, the Luftwaffe had to soldier on with a much earlier and almost as unsuitable design, the Bf109.

Compare this with the older British design, the Spitfire, which, with simple modification to wingtip design and supercharger ratios could intercept at >45,000', or match the Focke-Wulf at low altitudes.

It's poor turn performance meant that if met opposition that had a tactical advantage, it could only run away, and thus concede that airspace to its opponent.

Even after having a bomber engine shoe-horned into it, it could still not match the abilities of the earlier 'long nose Spitfire'

Tank's attempts to create a high altitude version ended in failure. The Ta 152 was rushed into service early before all its bugs had been ironed out, and had an appaling reliabiity record amongst the tiny batch that saw service. Even had the war been extended and the Ta had chance to serve in decent numbers, it would still have been matched, and probably exceeded by, the major redesign of it's nemisis - the Mk21 and 22.

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Hristo_
12-19-2005, 02:35 PM
Going by your logic, Tempest was also a failure.

Spitfire up to the contemporary 190 ? Allow me to laugh at that statement http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

It was Spitfire which had to have a bomber engine horseshoed to it to match the 190 performance. And all 190 had to do is to advance to the next subvariant.

190 could avoid the fight with Spitfire whenever it wanted to. Spitfire had to accept the fight whenever 190 attacked it. That alone is a huge advantage.

Being able to run away when at tactical disadvantage is a quality some pilots would trade their right arm for. Sptifire did not posess that quality.

I really suggest you read a book called "Greenhearts - first in combat with Dora-9", by Axel Urbanke. There are many firsthand accounts on who was who and what was what in air combat in late 1944 WF. Doras scrambled from ground to 7000 meters, catching Mosquitos and reconnaisance Spitfires and shooting them down. Doras equally matched with Tempests, even if flown by pilots straight from pitifl excuses of flying schools.

MEGILE
12-19-2005, 02:42 PM
Originally posted by Hristo_:
Going by your logic, Tempest was also a failure.



http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Difference is, the Allies had the Spitfire XIV up high. It outclassed the Antons, and then at +21 boost was keeping up with, and exceeding the Dora.

Still, despite that... FW-190 was the best fighter of WW2 http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Hristo_
12-19-2005, 02:49 PM
To my knowledge, rarely was a Spitfire XIV used at high altitides. Its range might had something to do with it, perhaps http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif.

It was mostly used at low and medium altitudes, and there it was outclassed by Dora in everything but sustained climb and sustained turning.

In this sim, Spitfires in the sky are cherries waiting to be picked by the nearest 190 http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif. And rightly so.

190 could only run away when at disadvantage and thus concede that airspace to its opponent. I'd take that "only" any time, thank you http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif.

Spitfire could only turn until dead when at disadvantage and thus concede both that airspace and the life of its pilot to its opponent. Hmmmmm.... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

stathem
12-19-2005, 02:51 PM
You know you've hit the nail when Hristo loses his cool... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

Hristo_
12-19-2005, 02:55 PM
You almost made me reinstall the game http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

MEGILE
12-19-2005, 03:03 PM
Originally posted by Hristo_:

In this sim, Spitfires in the sky are cherries waiting to be picked by the nearest 190 http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif. And rightly so.



hristo, when you are right.. you are right. And this time you are right.

You provied a summary of what this thread is about.

Just a tincy wincy nit pick however...
Spitfire XIV +21 Boost at sea level was equal to an FW-190D9 with Water Methanol and 3250 rpm ... must be that Griffon, as we know the Spitfire wasn't the cleanest of all planes.

But above that.. the D9 was all over it like a cheap suite.

ElAurens
12-19-2005, 06:41 PM
Originally posted by Bremspropeller:
ElAurens, what's the Hawk 75 pit doin' ? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

I wish I knew. I am hopful that someday we can fly this aircraft in the game. It is such a pretty thing.

Badsight.
12-19-2005, 07:14 PM
Originally posted by Megile:
I merely stated an opinion... and as expected some (inc. you) rather over-sensisitive people enter the thread and start to reply like I just insulted their mother. & every one of them is hilarious!

Pirschjaeger
12-19-2005, 07:27 PM
Originally posted by Hristo_:
In this sim, Spitfires in the sky are cherries waiting to be picked by the nearest 190 http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif. And rightly so.


Do cherries hang that low? I kinda thought of the spits as watermelons, henceforth "spits". http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Fritz

CUJO_1970
12-19-2005, 09:18 PM
This thread meets my approval.

karost
12-19-2005, 09:23 PM
- JG26 was named as "TOPGUN" of WWII , that is a point why I agree with.


- Sad thing for blue friends , game was set up for "BALANCE" to a total enjoyment. but funny thing is a blue guys never give up and still stand on blue side.

- oh... one good thing for "BALANCE" the enjoyment is we never feel boring when online and meet with a good red friend pilots .

S!

92SqnGCJimbo
12-20-2005, 05:05 AM
histros and megile.. is this your way of petitioning oleg to change the fw190 to the uber plane you are misguidedly believing in...

anyway something ive noticed in these forums.. when someone states that such a plane is the best, they always use sources from the side that flew the plane..
i mean heck ive been reading about the 31st and 32nd american fightergroups that flew the spit...and you know what, they liked it and said they were shooting down 109/190's in droves.. so by megiles reckoning that must make the spit the best fighter of all time... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/34.gif

WOLFMondo
12-20-2005, 05:19 AM
Its already uber, as it was in real life. Doesn't need changing in this sim.

190's were very respected by both sides. The RAF had the upmost respect for it. Just ask someone like Eric Brown or Pierre Closterman.

MEGILE
12-20-2005, 06:28 AM
Originally posted by 92SqnGCJimbo:
is this your way of petitioning oleg to change the fw190



That's quite a vivid imagination you have there.

In fact, I have no doubt Hristo would agree completely when I say, oleg has the Focke Wolf 100% correct. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

92SqnGCJimbo
12-20-2005, 06:37 AM
well if its 100% right.. then it certainly isnt the best fighter of ww2

robban75
12-20-2005, 06:48 AM
Originally posted by 92SqnGCJimbo:
well if its 100% right.. then it certainly isnt the best fighter of ww2

Who says the other planes are 100% correct? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

MEGILE
12-20-2005, 06:51 AM
Originally posted by robban75:


Who says the other planes are 100% correct? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif

Robban you troll http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Monty_Thrud
12-20-2005, 06:52 AM
Are the Award Ceremonies on this year?...i wonder who will win the Fishing Fuhrer Award...hmm http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/10.gif

robban75
12-20-2005, 07:17 AM
Originally posted by Megile:

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif

Robban you troll http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Hey, I'm not just a pretty face. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

92SqnGCJimbo
12-20-2005, 07:19 AM
apart from megile and co.. whos to say the 190 is correct in game?? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/mockface.gif

Hristo_
12-20-2005, 07:22 AM
Didn't try the 4.02, so I don't know about 190.

However, when I get back, I'll take the 109 up. It's time to show the Reds what 109 is capable of, just like in the old days of Aces High (I think I had 90:3 K/D in G-10 back in 1999.).

stathem
12-20-2005, 07:25 AM
Originally posted by Hristo_:
Didn't try the 4.02, so I don't know about 190.

However, when I get back, I'll take the 109 up. It's time to show the Reds what 109 is capable of, just like in the old days of Aces High (I think I had 90:3 K/D in G-10 back in 1999.).

You mean,

"I will fly a n00b plane until I get the hang of it again, at which time I will switch back to 190"

Hristo_
12-20-2005, 07:51 AM
In Red language, yes http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

MEGILE
12-20-2005, 08:04 AM
Originally posted by 92SqnGCJimbo:
apart from megile and co.. whos to say the 190 is correct in game??

That concept is what we call politely disagreeing.

Maybe you have heard of it?

ElAurens
12-20-2005, 10:53 AM
None of the aircraft in this sim are 100% correct. Not one.

Even their performance relatve to one another is suspect.

However, overall the sim is an outstanding piece of work.