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Kuna15
08-21-2005, 08:41 AM

SeaNorris
08-21-2005, 08:47 AM
I will shoot at any plane that is blue if I am red, or the usual red if I am blue.

I leave planes if they are all of the above that you said. Except B-25s, they keep going and going. But I hat when people shoot at your kill when it has no wing/pilot.

9th_Spitin
08-21-2005, 08:47 AM
If I am close to the ememy (100-+ yrds)and firing then I do not let up on the trigger, if you get hit it's your own fault. Maybe next time you won't do it..

triggerhappyfin
08-21-2005, 08:51 AM
mostly noobs that does kill stealing http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-mad.gif

LeadSpitter_
08-21-2005, 09:09 AM
not really, the only person I ever got angry at was 355th GR Ifestos, he took credit for 4 b-25s 3 sorties in a row a couple patches ago in spits vs 109s.

All were b25s missing a wing or tail and on fire, then 10-20m before the hit the ground festos shoots them thats the only time I got angry and tked him becuase it was not once or twice but 4 times in a row.

In all the other servers people seem to have a problem with him doing that as well. The rest of the 335th are a great bunch tho and skilled respectfull pilots.

BSS_CUDA
08-21-2005, 09:09 AM
only if its blatant, if I'm winged up for me its the team that matters, I had a situation on WC once where Mortin and I were winged up, this was in the 3.04 so getting quality kills in the 38 was very gratifying, I had hammered a 109 and had him smoking and heading towards the deck, we had a spitfire trailing us, Mortin and I disengaged as he was clearly going down, as we climbed we watch the spit drop in behind the 109, the whole time talking on coms that he was probably going to steal the kill. but he just waited, and just before 109 was going to ditch in a field and right before he went down the spit opened up on him, the Irony of the whole thing is the spit was on coms with us and heard our whole conversation about the probable kill steal and did it anyways, there have been hundreds of times, I've left a 109 or 190 go because the controls were shot up and didnt get credit for the kill, such is life, there have been times I've shot down stealers mostly by accident http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif when I was in the saddle and they swooped in between me trying to get my kill. keep in mind I dont usually shoot unless its 200 or less.

HellToupee
08-21-2005, 09:10 AM
it hasnt really happened to me a whole lot, dont really care that much, but i see a hell of alot of kill stealing, saw a empty p47 going down after someone dammaged it with a 190 come along and shoot it up, today when i got swarmed by lufties i had 2 of them collide with each other then as i lost my wing and bailed out a 109 came along and shot it to peices, 2nd time i bailed out of my plane after a d9 took out my engine then another 109 came along and shot the plane up as it was going down. Just what is the point of that its cheating your self.

F0_Dark_P
08-21-2005, 09:12 AM
As it stands , "I feel a bit angry but I don't say anything and carry on with flying."

i wont whine about it on the chat thats for sure, eaven if i know that he is wrong, i just dont have the energy to to argue about it, you aint better yourself if you are screeming and bashing all over the place yourself, i think that is immature and it hurts the game as much as kill stealing

but sure when i fly offline on a campaign and the computer zooms down infront of me and shoots down the plane i have been dogfighting for 5 min then i just want to ripp his head of http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_mad.gif

Da_Godfatha
08-21-2005, 09:19 AM
Why are we having the 100th or more post about this theme? Are you guys bored or what? It happens, it will happen, and there is nothing anyone can do about it. So get over it.It is just a game. For those of you who think it is "Unhonorable", I say wakeup, there is nothing "Honorable" about war, virtual or real.

IMO, those who worry about "Kill stealing" are just stat hogs and nothing more. As long as my side wins, I could care less who gets the credit.

I think it is about time that OM brings out the next patch so we can have something better to whine about than this VERY old theme.

Just my 2 cents worth.

LStarosta
08-21-2005, 09:19 AM
I find out the kill stealer's IP and then I get off the server and hack his PC through his IL2 port. Then I put some of Hristo's kiddie porn on his hard drive and notify the authorities.

If he lives in a lawless land, I hack his IL2 skins folder and replace every skin with the photographic likeliness of a phallus.

SeaFireLIV
08-21-2005, 09:23 AM
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Kuna15:
Well I know this issue was beaten to death, but I feel that every once and while it is good to see what the community thinks of "kill stealing", and "kill stealers".

QUOTE]

I don`t usually see much KS`s since I rarely fly those kind of servers, but I do fly warclouds and it often happens when there`s a lot of `single` lone wolf fighters. Generally, i`ll never shoot down an aircraft that`s obviously already targeted or obviously disabled.

But, I`ve noticed that some guys can`t tell when a kill steal is a kill steal and when it`s not. I`ve seen some complain when the situation was clearly `free` (no one has a direct target solution) or even when the fighter`s in trouble (being out-manouevered by the enemy plane) and you come in and help. Instead of `thanks`, I get, `Don`t steal my kill!`

This is going slightly off topic, but, there was a time when I used to join a fighter and help him out, but a lot of these john wayne`s are quite ungrateful when you save them from a fiery death, so now I always ask first. If they want back up, I give it, if no response, I leave them to their singular fate.

BSS_CUDA
08-21-2005, 09:27 AM
Originally posted by SeaFireLIV:
but a lot of these john wayne`s are quite ungrateful


OMG!!!!!!!! SeaFire went Hirsto on us http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif

SeaFireLIV
08-21-2005, 09:30 AM
When I say John Waynes this means the http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif`hotshots` who simply can`t teamwork - It could be Spitfire (Brit) flyers. I would and have applied it to Blue as well. Perhaps I should use a different term as `John Wayne` is too much associated with Americans only. I`ll use a different word next time.

And don`t worry. I ain`t on Hristo-Goering`s side.

BSS_CUDA
08-21-2005, 09:36 AM
now if you had said they went Rambo on him that I could accept http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif hell John Wayne died in 2 of those war movies http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/cry.gif I guess you only live twice http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif wait that was James Bond http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif

VW-IceFire
08-21-2005, 09:43 AM
I feel angry if they were idiots and stole an obvious kill. If its ambiguous or the plane was still good...yeah ok I'll be alright.

But if there is a swarm of badguys nearby...wake the hell up and look around. I usually get shot down by another plane while someone kill steals my kill because they weren't going after the still good planes.

Its deficient teamwork skills really.

neural_dream
08-21-2005, 12:07 PM
It happens, it will happen, and there is nothing anyone can do about it

Count missions won instead of personal kills. Then everyone will communicate and noone will waste ammo.

I am not really angry about ks since i count it as my kill in my personal logbook http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif. That will stay for long, while my warclouds stats will be flushed after a couple of months after all http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/10.gif

carguy_
08-21-2005, 12:15 PM
I was very angry at al of them.Sometimes I put much effort into smoking an enemy and finally when it starts decending someone appeared from nowhere and scored the kill.He wasn`t covering me,helping me,shooting enemy,fulfilling his objectives.

I blew my top and I said what I think of him and went to bed.

In the morning I thought of this and I went WHOOOOOA!Easy!No reason to get pissed off over someone who can`t score his own kills.

I lost it completely.Been flying for 2 weeks,don`t give a d!mn if anyone steals me kill.

I hate team killers though.I`m being shot at,blinking navlights,screaming on chat,puffing smoke,flying straight,nothing,the guy keeps shooting at me from 100m and he still can`t ID a friendly.

I say go back to flightschool or feel my wrath.

Pirschjaeger
08-21-2005, 12:40 PM
It is a game but I like the immersion thing. I don't count my kills and will easily give it up to another if they seem hungry enough. When a plane is smoking and out of action I let him go. Why not? My job is to take the enemy's planes out of the sky. If it were so important to kill the pilot then I'd simply bomb where he sleeps.

When it's a bomber it's a slightly different story. If he can still fly he might just make it to his target. I will go as far as ramming the bomber if I run out of ammo. Bombers must go down. Fighters are not so important but must be put out of action.

If someone wants to steal my kill then let them. I won't waste my ammo so easily. There does seem to be too many teams of lonewolves though.

Fritz

Pirschjaeger
08-21-2005, 01:35 PM
Actually, one of the reasons I rarely play online is the score keeping. I don't like this. Can you imagine how much teamwork there'd be without scores or know who killed who?

Fritz

Lucius_Esox
08-21-2005, 09:25 PM
I do think it's mostly noobs who do it online. I had an incident the other week which annoyed me though.

I happened to be in the right place at the right time to terminally damage a known "aces" plane on W/C's,, we all knew who it was and to be honest I felt kinda chuffed http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif (It don't happen often believe me http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif )

Just as the guy is about to deck out someone who is not a noob steamed in and put a couple of rounds in,, totally blatent!!!

Yeah yeah I know it's childish and I know who did the damage but the mentality of win at any costs (i.e. cheat if can get away with it) irritates me bigtime in GAMES.

Yep I know I'm a Dinosaur http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Pirschjaeger
08-21-2005, 09:32 PM
You're a fish! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-mad.gif

Fritz

Xiolablu3
08-21-2005, 09:36 PM
I will check whether it was an accident by asking in chat, if they dont respond I will shoot them down so they dont get the points and just to piss them off really..

Its sad and I wont put up with blatant KS.

When plane is going down and someone shoots it to obviously steal.

F19_Ob
08-22-2005, 12:35 AM
Shooting on deadly disabled planes without wings or tails is bad but if someone needs a kill that bad I let them have it with no hard feelings.

Sometimes however a seemingly disabled plane still may be a threat and may kill you or your team mates and thats embarrassing.
I have myself managed shoot down two enemies while heavily smoking, before my engine quit and I had to bail over friendly territory and survived, while the enemies died.
I always have this in the back of my head.

Then one must have understanding that someone else may fire on the plane U damaged and perhaps kill it. That is teamwork to me.

I often fly inferior planes compared to the opposition, and in that situation it's important to get down as many enemies as fast as possible, and absolutely not wait for someone to finish a kill when he can't keep up with the enemy.

To illustrate this situation I mention that a 109 often escapes or holds a flight of hurricanes, but one hurricane is very unlikely to get away from a flight of 109's.
So in my way of seeing things, one 109 equals two hurricanes.

So a flight of hurricanes are happy if anyone in the group is scoring, while the 109's (for example) may choose individualism in a higher degree.

Other than that, sh1t happens and sometimes people misjudge the situation or do stupid things like in real life.

Personally I'm forgiving towards others and hope others will forgive my mistakes aswell.

a thought http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Hristo_
08-22-2005, 02:07 AM
Don't mind it really. It happens. Next time I'll make sure the target goes down before someone else gets to it.

WOLFMondo
08-22-2005, 03:44 AM
I played online for the first time in a few months on WC over the weekend. 11 kills for 1 KIA I was pretty pleasedhttp://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif190 A6's rule!

It was all going fine till I shot down a P39, taking off a wing and setting it on fire. A guy in a 109 followed it all the way to the floor shooting it but missing. I don't mind guys take runs on planes which are still flying and fighting, after all where there to win the map but trying to steal a kill in that manner really sucks.

pauldun171
08-22-2005, 11:13 AM
I don't mind "that much" if someone gets credit for my hard work. I do mind when I'm at point blank range unloading on a bandit and I have some idiot behind me firing over my shoulder hitting me as well.

If I see a Friendly below working on someone I take the high ground and cover the best I can. that way if the bandit gets advantage or tries to disengage I can dive in and take him out.

fighter_966
09-15-2005, 12:32 PM
Originally posted by Kuna15:
Well I know this issue was beaten to death, but I feel that every once and while it is good to see what the community thinks of "kill stealing", and "kill stealers".

I was in the beggining very annoyed with KS, but as a played this game I lost the 'annoying' KS feel somewhere on the hyperlobby road...

I fly now with attitude I don't really care. I will shoot at any enemy plane in the given moment with few exceptions; enemy aircraft is
1)wingless
2)on fire
3)powerless (with engine stop)

Any other situation and I will fire.

Kill steal?? I call it shared kill as it is

tigertalon
09-15-2005, 12:46 PM
I TKed someone on purpose only once because of KS. He was doomed - with Fw190A8 he got two La7s on tail down low. I bnzed both - dewinged first, set the other on fire. Pilot bailed and plane flew controllesly. And then this guy I just saved comes around and explodes that burning La to heaven with his 108s. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_mad.gif Just a slight touch of a trigger was enough. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

WOLFMondo
09-15-2005, 01:05 PM
Originally posted by VW-IceFire:
I feel angry if they were idiots and stole an obvious kill. If its ambiguous or the plane was still good...yeah ok I'll be alright.


100% agree.

Ankanor
09-15-2005, 01:12 PM
It's stupid and annoying. The first time when that happens, I remind him of the KS. if it happens a second time, I don't hate him. just kill him quickly and without guilt. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Monty_Thrud
09-15-2005, 02:01 PM
Intentionally..yes

Unintentional...no

But then i dont fly for points, i fly just for a good Ntrk sortie movie to edit and watch repeatedly afterwards

NorrisMcWhirter
09-15-2005, 02:14 PM
It's disappointing more than anything...that someone will go after a plane that is clearly no longer a threat when there are usually other bandits around that are about to pose problems.

Still, it's only a game http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Ta,
Norris

jimDG
09-15-2005, 02:25 PM
well there was this one time I followed a spit for a minute or so, getting closer and closer and firing burst (to no apparent effect except small pieces flying away). Finally I am at 200 meters and my reticle is pointing a bit downwards, so - I pull, and as I am about to squeze the triger a BnZ-er shoots behind my shoulder and black smoke pours out of the spit. I still pulled the trigger and hammered at him for a while. He went down.
Then the BnZ-er shot me down "for the kill steal". The same individual often says "I didnt say I need help" when someone else shoots an a/c behind his shoulder (or rids him of someone on his 3 o\clock in a turn)

So - what I think? People how play this game for stats and complain about kill steals are
1) Freaking annoying shaiskopfs
2) Ruining the game immersion, not to mention team-play. In a war you dont complain when you have one plane less to fight, regardless of how or why it went down. Americans had the fractional system for shared kills, Germans flipped coins.

So, I dont complain about kill steals. I play this for the fun of it. Not to prove myself to be God all-mighty. If someone wants to have fun blowing a wingless a/c to bits (that I have made wingless) - be my guest - I have already had all the fun I wanted with it.
And if I am in a good position to shoot at an enemy a/c - I will shoot, and not bother looking if someone had been shooting at it for a minute. Unless it is clearly going down (wingless/on fire) in which case I wont waste ammo. And I will not complain about KS regardless of the outcome.

The only people using the same colored airplanes as me who I would gladly shoot at would be precisely the ones who complain about kill steals. But I dont, even though they are not really on my team.

felbeast
09-15-2005, 06:46 PM
I think kill stealing is only really in issue in the psuedo turn-based RPGs (everquest, dark ages, ect.). In the highly dynamic and hard to discern world of flight sims, if it's airborne and an enemy - shoot it.

felbeast
09-15-2005, 06:48 PM
Then the BnZ-er shot me down "for the kill steal". The same individual often says "I didnt say I need help" when someone else shoots an a/c behind his shoulder (or rids him of someone on his 3 o\clock in a turn)

I'm not concerned about kill-stealing myself, but that guys just a big poopy-head.

GT182
09-15-2005, 06:56 PM
What grabs my goat is the AI escorts you have with you stealing kills. The RL "buddies" that do it get shot down by the one they stole from. Fair is fair. "You steal mine, I taketh out you." http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

CUJO_1970
09-15-2005, 07:53 PM
Smokers are always a risky prospect.


Had a situation on WC Eastern front where I was dropping down on a smoking Mig. His gear was extended, so I let him go and he promptly breaks left and starts shooting at me http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Fortunately the guy behind me on comms blew his azz to oblivion.


I had to kill a smoker last night because he was firing on Psychlone and not disengaging. Someone got real pissed off, but I felt much better after watching the trak, and I'll do the same thing in the future.

Shoulder shooting or firing on a burning single engine or de-winged a/c is lame.

Burning twins are fair game.

Kuna15
09-15-2005, 09:29 PM
About shoulder shooting, I would say that depends from my PoV. Because sometimes in deck tnb action seconds matter (how fast will boogie bite the dust) so it is important that he goes down asap before his backup shows up. I remember one time when one friendly was waiting for me to finish off the P-47 (I was in FW-190) but I was unable to catch him. So fight took a while and I had to invite friend from above to help me out.

Otherwise when player is in full control from above and see that his friend is gaining on bandit and is certain that he will score, then diving and shoulder shooting is lame... basically it is lame in all 100% hit chances when time isn't of utmost importance.

But almost all of that situations are easily recognizable in game and one can clearly see what his teammate is up to (are his intentions to KS or to help).

jensenpark
09-16-2005, 08:33 AM
Originally posted by WOLFMondo:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by VW-IceFire:
I feel angry if they were idiots and stole an obvious kill. If its ambiguous or the plane was still good...yeah ok I'll be alright.


100% agree. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

You guys are on to something.
Some do take the point thing a bit to serious - either in stealing or not getting points 'deserved'. Two different ends of the situation - maybe both just as annoying.

jimDG
09-16-2005, 08:44 AM
Originally posted by jensenpark:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by WOLFMondo:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by VW-IceFire:
I feel angry if they were idiots and stole an obvious kill. If its ambiguous or the plane was still good...yeah ok I'll be alright.


100% agree. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

You guys are on to something.
Some do take the point thing a bit to serious - either in stealing or not getting points 'deserved'. Two different ends of the situation - maybe both just as annoying. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif Great summary..

Tvrdi
09-16-2005, 08:54 AM
unlike others i think its shared kill in most cases...although, when someone is shooting at already crippled or disintegrated plane its definitely a steal...then Im mad....you must be really an ******* to do that...

WOLFMondo
09-16-2005, 09:08 AM
I think the benefit of being on comms is you talk about whats going on and thats where you get shared kills, ask for help or ask for high cover while your attacking or what happend to me the other day, a guy on WC comms (Blackbird) and I where defending a target and he ran out of ammo and asked me to come finish the job on a 110 that was running for it.

I got the points but we both know it was shared.

jimDG
09-16-2005, 11:05 AM
It's a strange phenomenon, that KS stuff.
10 000 people (or more) play Counter-Strike online every day. You can pump a guy full of lead and reduce his health and armor to 1% (out of 100) than stop to reload, and someone else finishes him off. And yet - in 6 years of playing CS I have never heard of anyone complaining about "Kill steals" or being annoyed about it. I havent even heard the expression. Even though stats, K/D and accuracy ratios are still logged, and highly valued. (and yes, you can check how much damage you've done to someone and see if it is 99% or not)

But when 300 people play il2 online, you hear the term "KS" 5 times in one hour, on most servers. Yeah, I wonder why there's only 300..

Anyway the big difference is (ignoring the kind of people who play etc.) that when a team wins in CS - everyone gets more "money", i.e better guns next round, and everyone is happy.
What difference do my, or anyone else's kills make in Il2 (or whether the team wins the map or not)? To MY gameplay/fun? None.

So - here's the culprit.

People find their own fun in the game, and most often than not - thats to compete with each other (in their own team) in shooting down the newbies to get more stats.

Well, how about this - a map starts with just 1 a/c type per team. As the total ammount of points a team has made increases - better and better airplanes (from the same era) become available for everyone's next sortie + better and better armament combos (pods, engine mk108s etc.)
In other words - since you cant make people behave realistically in a sim (they dont die when they get shot down, so the dont teamwork like in WW2) - use reality to make the sim better - Better fighter squadrons (in total kills and K/D ratios) get the better/newest airplanes.
Poles/Checks were given Spits during the BoB and not Hurricanes - because they were better/vets and already had the stats to prove it. => they were more usefull in a better airplane. So this is not CS stuff - this is WW2 stuff. Why not use it?

NorrisMcWhirter
09-16-2005, 11:11 AM
I know of an effective solution to KS'rs. When they go after the plane you damaged, let them follow it low and, when they get bounced and call for help, stay high but leave them to it http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

They soon learn.

Ta,
Norris

Lucius_Esox
09-16-2005, 12:06 PM
Dont think it's the same as fps.. Different average age grop ( probably) and easier to get kills in fps, well for me anyway http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

I think it's pretty easy to kill steal by accident, but if someone obviousley does it deliberately I call em a w*****r either by text ot voice. If they keep doing it they then have another enemy aircraft to contend with, except this time it's on the same side http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

fighter_966
09-16-2005, 02:03 PM
Originally posted by Lucius_Esox:
Dont think it's the same as fps.. Different average age grop ( probably) and easier to get kills in fps, well for me anyway http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

I think it's pretty easy to kill steal by accident, but if someone obviousley does it deliberately I call em a w*****r either by text ot voice. If they keep doing it they then have another enemy aircraft to contend with, except this time it's on the same side http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

So you dont like team work .... shared kill is shared Germans in rl had point system for the matter.I dont understand the term.. war is war or
this game is about downing planes or is it?? dont take it so seriously

Wolf-Strike
09-16-2005, 03:00 PM
Somehow i got pegged as a kill stealer on warclouds.If a plane has a stopped engine or missing wing I will not shoot at it and never have.

I do feel that it shouldnt really matter though.When a rookie is shooting away at a plane you just crippled...do you really care???Let the guy get some good practice in and get the satisfaction of the kill.Will keep more people playing.

II_JG1Schpam
09-16-2005, 04:52 PM
First I'm not that good so when I do get kills I know I got them. Generally I just let it go. I know what I did and didn't do and the scoreboard doesn't really matter. All that matters is one of us got to go home and the other didn't.

CUJO_1970
09-16-2005, 05:01 PM
Comms are good.

That way I can ask permission to kill your smoker, or if you prefer for me to let him go.

FritzGryphon
09-16-2005, 05:08 PM
They soon learn.

Even better, follow them to the enemy, then shoot them in the head.

One of the enemy pilots will surely attack the pilotless plane, 'stealing' your kill, and saving you from a -400 http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Lucius_Esox
09-16-2005, 05:50 PM
So you dont like team work .... shared kill is shared Germans in rl had point system for the matter.I dont understand the term.. war is war or
this game is about downing planes or is it?? dont take it so seriously

This game is about downing planes for your team!! yeah right.. that is my point you do that,, and I do,, and some dipstick comes in and says "Oh sorry it's all for the common good isn't it" http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Seems to be a hardcore of people who behave in a "respectfull" manner but there are some who have the knack of infering their dodgy behaviour is for the common good........ Swivel m8 http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif

jimDG
09-17-2005, 06:21 AM
Originally posted by Lucius_Esox:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">So you dont like team work .... shared kill is shared Germans in rl had point system for the matter.I dont understand the term.. war is war or
this game is about downing planes or is it?? dont take it so seriously

This game is about downing planes for your team!! yeah right.. that is my point you do that,, and I do,, and some dipstick comes in and says "Oh sorry it's all for the common good isn't it" http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Seems to be a hardcore of people who behave in a "respectfull" manner but there are some who have the knack of infering their dodgy behaviour is for the common good........ Swivel m8 http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

there is no common good in that game, thats all. So the people who play it are devided into 2 groups - the ones that play it as it is, and the ones that play as if its ww2 (where there was common gain - to not die). If shot-down people never played the game ever again (dead hands dont move control columns) - now that would result in realistic behaviour of the ones "still alive". And since thats not gonna happen - something's gotta give, on the side of physical realism, to get behavioural realism http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif. As I said before - I think there should be an artificialy introduced common gain - like rare a/c of the same period - for the "next" sorties on a map. Depending on total points for the team.

Or maybe the stats (both server and in gamehttp://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif should go to zero when you die?http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif Would KS matter then?

fighter_966
09-17-2005, 06:56 AM
Originally posted by jimDG:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Lucius_Esox:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">So you dont like team work .... shared kill is shared Germans in rl had point system for the matter.I dont understand the term.. war is war or
this game is about downing planes or is it?? dont take it so seriously
that would be right solution for so called kill stealing...http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

This game is about downing planes for your team!! yeah right.. that is my point you do that,, and I do,, and some dipstick comes in and says "Oh sorry it's all for the common good isn't it" http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Seems to be a hardcore of people who behave in a "respectfull" manner but there are some who have the knack of infering their dodgy behaviour is for the common good........ Swivel m8 http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

there is no common good in that game, thats all. So the people who play it are devided into 2 groups - the ones that play it as it is, and the ones that play as if its ww2 (where there was common gain - to not die). If shot-down people never played the game ever again (dead hands dont move control columns) - now that would result in realistic behaviour of the ones "still alive". And since thats not gonna happen - something's gotta give, on the side of physical realism, to get behavioural realism http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif. As I said before - I think there should be an artificialy introduced common gain - like rare a/c of the same period - for the "next" sorties on a map. Depending on total points for the team.

Or maybe the stats (both server and in gamehttp://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif should go to zero when you die?http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif Would KS matter then? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

attila68
09-17-2005, 10:14 AM
When I first started playing online i didnt know what KS was or even vulching. Now I know better, if I am in any doubt I leave alone, and would rather lose a kill than lose respect. It is tricky when there is a fight in the vertical, but to be safe I leave alone. Sad really, as my ally might need help. We should give people the benefit of the doubt. I was ****ged off once even after apologising, ****ged off even harder BECAUSE i apologised. I didnt go online for a long time after that. Now I have a respectable 1.6 ratio. We need to encourage noobs, not flame them. Lets just relax and enjoy the game, and point out the loss of E that KS often entails.

Daiichidoku
09-17-2005, 10:40 AM
i usually play df servers...."arcade"

where one has both ext views, and padlock...NO paroblem at all, to see VERY quickly, just (within range) WHO is WHERE and WHAT they are doing

NO EXCUSES for KS , in MOST cases

in these servers, i usually fly to 3-4000m before i even think about starting to hunt, and so, often i can see the behavior of the "many" who seem to prefer tnb fighting on the deck in clownwargon La7s and post war yak 3Ps....

point is, i often see 4,5, 6, or even more of my teammates chasing ONE enemy, that strayed a lil too close to the airfield...
this steams me, as it guarantees a "KS"..but WORSE, is the fact that there is more than two friendlies on one enemy...those extra two or more friendlies can be (and usually are) desparatley needed elsewhere, to help a friendly, who, in all likelyhood, has about 5 or 6 eneemies on his singual ****

teamplay? PFT NONSENSE! if it was teamplay, anyoe after the second tailer would peel off and look to help someone else who REALLY needs it, or look for another threat


KS should NOT happen... why not let the close guy do the shooting...the other, instead of try to take the kill for himself, (and waste the other guys well-spent ammo in the process) try instead, to COVER SIX (you moron!)


when someone blatantly steals a kill that ive been chasing for some time, been pouring my ammo into, and have otherwise been having a great, exciting, challenging DF with, i WILLL teamkill him