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Evan52395
10-17-2010, 01:59 PM
Will we be able to (at the end of the game)(like in Assassin's Creed 1) be able to go on a civilian killing spree without desynch? Because I was disappointed in AC2. If it hasn't been said, then what do you guys think?

SlimeDynamiteD
10-17-2010, 02:01 PM
What? You could go on a civilian killing spree without getting desynch? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_redface.gif

Evan52395
10-17-2010, 02:05 PM
Originally posted by SlimeDynamiteD:
What? You could go on a civilian killing spree without getting desynch? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_redface.gif
Yup, you could kill as many as you wanted while walking along the street. You had to finish the main story first though.

Here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6jymW7QItoI

notafanboy
10-17-2010, 02:05 PM
Originally posted by SlimeDynamiteD:
What? You could go on a civilian killing spree without getting desynch? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_redface.gif
in ac1 yes

Xanatos2007
10-17-2010, 02:10 PM
It's fun going nuts on the civilians in front of Masyaf in the last sequence.

Grafferu
10-17-2010, 02:18 PM
You mean mean people, killing poor civilians http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/sadeyes.gif

notafanboy
10-17-2010, 02:30 PM
Originally posted by Xanatos2007:
It's fun going nuts on the civilians in front of Masyaf in the last sequence.
"there are so many innocents i must be careful not to harm them" http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

Xanatos2007
10-17-2010, 02:30 PM
That made it all the funnier.

itsamea-mario
10-17-2010, 03:03 PM
like mowing the lawn it is.

AnthonyA85
10-17-2010, 03:10 PM
Originally posted by Grafferu:
You mean mean people, killing poor civilians http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/sadeyes.gif

I do it all the time to those damn beggers.

And don't get me started on those crazies/drunks. God, i loved taking out my frustration on them for blowing my cover during missions.

I was really miffed when they took that out of AC2. I hope it's in Brotherhood.

Grafferu
10-17-2010, 03:12 PM
I shall start a petition to save the innocents ! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

jbahr11
10-17-2010, 05:06 PM
A true assassin stays his blade from the flesh of the innocent. Killing civilians breaks the 1st tenant of the Creed

AnthonyA85
10-17-2010, 05:10 PM
Originally posted by jbahr11:
A true assassin stays his blade from the flesh of the innocent. Killing civilians breaks the 1st tenant of the Creed

True, but when you can do it without desyncing, it's also fun! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

TronVigilante
10-17-2010, 05:55 PM
Originally posted by Grafferu:
I shall start a petition to save the innocents ! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

I shall be the first to sign. It was a tennant of the creed to not harm innocents. If you don't follow the creed. . . your just as bad as the templars.

So that's why I punch the crap out of beggars and drunks in AC 1. Punch them till they get sober or knocked out. Usually ended up getting Knocked out.

Evan52395
10-17-2010, 06:01 PM
Originally posted by jbahr11:
A true assassin stays his blade from the flesh of the innocent. Killing civilians breaks the 1st tenant of the Creed
Don't even bother. Al Mualim recited those words. They're dead to me.

gamertam
10-17-2010, 06:26 PM
If you're some sort of psychotic blood thirst for the innocent. You have issue you need to look into, but just for out of boredom with nothing else to do after you have finished the game than i guess so. Oh why can't people just play the darn game as it was intended in the first place?

Evan52395
10-17-2010, 06:29 PM
Originally posted by gamertam:
If you're some sort of psychotic blood thirst for the innocent. You have issue you need to look into, but just for out of boredom with nothing else to do after you have finished the game than i guess so. Oh why can't people just play the darn game as it was intended in the first place?
I normally do it when I've completed 100% of the game (i.e. all feathers, side quests, etc.). Doing it is kind of the same deal as going evil in Fable, you'll have to have a town massacre.

gamertam
10-17-2010, 09:51 PM
Originally posted by Evan52395:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by gamertam:
If you're some sort of psychotic blood thirst for the innocent. You have issue you need to look into, but just for out of boredom with nothing else to do after you have finished the game than i guess so. Oh why can't people just play the darn game as it was intended in the first place?
I normally do it when I've completed 100% of the game (i.e. all feathers, side quests, etc.). Doing it is kind of the same deal as going evil in Fable, you'll have to have a town massacre. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

as long as you can differ what make Fable's game; Fable and Assassin's Creed game; Assassin Creed and you know their main objectives, i'm all good friend. There's no moral choice bad or good in AC(1&2 and now Brotherhood) like it has in Fable. Your choice shape the outcome of the ending. As in AC's series whether main story or side quests. The main objectives is to complete the mission and move on to the next. From my understanding of the series of course.

..but if you kills three innocent bystanders, game's over. Just like in AC2 with Ezio.

Grafferu
10-18-2010, 03:11 PM
Originally posted by jbahr11:
A true assassin stays his blade from the flesh of the innocent. Killing civilians breaks the 1st tenant of the Creed


Originally posted by Masquerade777:
If you don't follow the creed. . . your just as bad as the templars.

this http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif

Evan52395
10-18-2010, 06:18 PM
Originally posted by Evan52395:
Don't even bother. Al Mualim recited those words. They're dead to me.
This. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Grafferu
10-22-2010, 03:28 PM
Originally posted by Evan52395:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Evan52395:
Don't even bother. Al Mualim recited those words. They're dead to me.
This. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Excuse me but what does Al Mualim have to do with a code that was written before his birth ? He is extremely irrelevant in this matter.

JAHman28
10-22-2010, 03:41 PM
Originally posted by Masquerade777:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Grafferu:
I shall start a petition to save the innocents ! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

I shall be the first to sign. It was a tennant of the creed to not harm innocents. If you don't follow the creed. . . your just as bad as the templars.

So that's why I punch the crap out of beggars and drunks in AC 1. Punch them till they get sober or knocked out. Usually ended up getting Knocked out. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I'll sign.

We assassins shall be known as purgers, not butchers. Let's carve Templar bodies as a dish fit for the Gods, not hew innocents as carcasses fit for hounds.

itsamea-mario
10-22-2010, 03:46 PM
erm...

it's erm, like a, erm, ya know, erm.. game erm... yeeaaahhh, don't really mateer whatch'ya do.

Grafferu
10-22-2010, 03:47 PM
Originally posted by JAHman28:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Masquerade777:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Grafferu:
I shall start a petition to save the innocents ! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

I shall be the first to sign. It was a tennant of the creed to not harm innocents. If you don't follow the creed. . . your just as bad as the templars.

So that's why I punch the crap out of beggars and drunks in AC 1. Punch them till they get sober or knocked out. Usually ended up getting Knocked out. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I'll sign.

We assassins shall be known as purgers, not butchers. Let's carve Templar bodies as a dish fit for the Gods, not hew innocents as carcasses fit for hounds. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Couldn't have said it better myself http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif

JAHman28
10-22-2010, 03:56 PM
Originally posted by itsamea-mario:
erm...

it's erm, like a, erm, ya know, erm.. game erm... yeeaaahhh, don't really mateer whatch'ya do.

I like to impose myself onto the characters I control, so my morals and preferences carry over into gameworlds. I won't kill civilians, never steal, rarely punch the music men and don't do leaps of faith often (they annoy me; it' so unrealistic).

Caligula__
10-22-2010, 04:29 PM
here's the quickest way I know of to kill civilians and not get in trouble (in AC2)

Grab a civilian
Throw them against a wall
Kick em 1-3 times (until you can't kick them anymore)
Loot them
Pick up their body and throw it in water/hay bale/well

itsamea-mario
10-22-2010, 04:31 PM
truth man, truth.

MT4K
10-22-2010, 04:33 PM
Originally posted by Vx_McTavish_xV:
here's the quickest way I know of to kill civilians and not get in trouble (in AC2)

Grab a civilian
Throw them against a wall
Kick em 1-3 times (until you can't kick them anymore)
Loot them
Pick up their body and throw it in water/hay bale/well

Bonus points if it's one of those Musicians http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Grafferu
10-23-2010, 03:45 PM
Originally posted by Vx_McTavish_xV:
here's the quickest way I know of to kill civilians and not get in trouble (in AC2)

Grab a civilian
Throw them against a wall
Kick em 1-3 times (until you can't kick them anymore)
Loot them
Pick up their body and throw it in water/hay bale/well
Why would you do that ? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif specially when there are templars to kill ...

itsamea-mario
10-23-2010, 03:52 PM
cause its fun http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

templars may be evil, but musicians are just damn annoying.

lotsacirclework
10-23-2010, 06:20 PM
Originally posted by jbahr11:
A true assassin stays his blade from the flesh of the innocent. Killing civilians breaks the 1st tenant of the Creed

Al Mualim: Remember, nothing is true...
Alta´r: And everything is permitted.

So I read that as happy shanking to all, its a pity that you cant really do this to those musicians in ac2. Hopefully in <STRIKE>AC2.5</STRIKE> sorry AC:B you can to those who annoy.

ninjasownu
10-23-2010, 07:04 PM
Originally posted by Grafferu:
You mean mean people, killing poor civilians http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/sadeyes.gif
and you didnt want to kill the beggars? I loved stabbing my blade into their warm blood http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/icon_twisted.gif.

AnthonyA85
10-23-2010, 09:14 PM
Yeah, it certianly solved their problems, and put them out of their missery http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

Does anyone else apart from me wonder if we'll see beggers in ACB? At least until we start renervating the districts of Rome?

I personally wouldn't mind if beggers made a comeback, at least now we'd have something to give them (apart from a quick death http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif), but then, they could make it so the beggers swarm you when you do throw monetta. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

Caligula__
10-23-2010, 09:27 PM
I was riding round Forli today and there were a group of peasants nearby that I was riding towards when my brother hit the attack button and in one sweep killed about 5 civilians, automatically de-synchronizing me

Edit - Another fun thing to do is once you kill an assassination target (or the Doge) is kill all guards and then grab the dead body and parade it around the city until guards start attacking you http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

jbahr11
10-23-2010, 09:46 PM
Originally posted by AnthonyA85:
Yeah, it certainly solved their problems, and put them out of their misery http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

Does anyone else apart from me wonder if we'll see beggars in ACB? At least until we start renovating the districts of Rome?

I personally wouldn't mind if beggars made a comeback, at least now we'd have something to give them (apart from a quick death http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif), but then, they could make it so the beggars swarm you when you do throw florins. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

You will see beggars in Brotherhood until you start destroying Borgia Towers and renovating Roma

MT4K
10-23-2010, 09:50 PM
well theres beggers in ac2 also, the only difference being they kind of just sit on the floor looking miserable and don't actively get in your way and annoy you... has it been confirmed that the beggers in acb will "get in your way"?

Grafferu
10-24-2010, 04:21 PM
Originally posted by itsamea-mario:
cause its fun http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif
No it's not http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif


Originally posted by ninjasownu:
and you didnt want to kill the beggars?
There are no beggars or singers on the rooftops.

masterfenix2009
10-24-2010, 04:35 PM
Originally posted by itsamea-mario:
cause its fun http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

templars may be evil, but musicians are just damn annoying.

I thought that too. But then I stopped when I figured out they were singing about me! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

NewBlade200
10-24-2010, 04:38 PM
I wouldnt kill civilians in AC2 even if I wanted to. They are your cover, and your weapon. When the minstrels come to ear-rape me I just take cover in civilians, walk to the next crowd and throw money behind me, past the previous crowd, and they run over there. Nothing good comes from killing them. But sometimes I cant resist abusing the useless ones (fishermen, lone civilians, theives in venice etc.), such as using singers to take out archers at the top of scafolding, or bowling http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

NuclearFuss
10-25-2010, 03:58 AM
Why the hell do musicians know you're an Assassin, but guards don't? The guys swinging the swords are less intelligent than the guys running around with guitar-ish things.

And if musicians know you're an Assassin... WHY ANNOY ME?

extrememuffin
10-25-2010, 11:13 AM
Originally posted by sackboy411:
Why the hell do musicians know you're an Assassin, but guards don't? The guys swinging the swords are less intelligent than the guys running around with guitar-ish things.

And if musicians know you're an Assassin... WHY ANNOY ME?

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif

in AC2 after i beat the game the first time i was just messing around and killed this civilian. all the other civilians there either ran for it or started begging for mercy. so what i did was i would kill 2 civilians then i would wait awhile and if anybody was not begging for mercy i would slit there throat. all the civilians i killed i threw into a bile in the middle of the area and by the end i must of had about 50 civilians.



oh and FLUFFY BUNNIES (happy Mr_Shade?)

Mr_Shade
10-25-2010, 11:31 AM
Very..

ninjasownu
10-25-2010, 03:04 PM
little off topic. But Mr.Shade do we have to call you mister? Can we just say shade? On topic. I hope killing civs is in the game just because it is mindless fun. Why give us the choice in the first one but not the second one?

Grafferu
10-25-2010, 03:41 PM
Originally posted by sackboy411:
Why the hell do musicians know you're an Assassin, but guards don't? The guys swinging the swords are less intelligent than the guys running around with guitar-ish things.

And if musicians know you're an Assassin... WHY ANNOY ME?
Why would you assume the musicians KNOW you're an assassin ? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif THEY DON'T ! They just spot your fancy clothes and expensive armor, so they assume you're a wealthy man, and that's why they sing for you.

Colossus_1191
10-25-2010, 04:02 PM
I don't like to deviate from the intentions of the game. I am an assassin whose blade only enters those who are evil. I am not some crazed lunatic killing the working class.

Preversive
10-25-2010, 04:06 PM
Originally posted by Colossus_1191:
I don't like to deviate from the intentions of the game. I am an assassin whose blade only enters those who are evil. I am not some crazed lunatic killing the working class.

It's a game you know.... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif *scratches head*

You should do it because you can, and it's free.

persiateddy95
10-25-2010, 04:11 PM
You kill them.
You turn around.
You turn around again.
They're there again.

Colossus_1191
10-25-2010, 04:12 PM
What part of "I don't like to deviate from the intentions of the game" did you not get?

Caligula__
10-25-2010, 11:22 PM
Originally posted by Colossus_1191:
What part of "I don't like to deviate from the intentions of the game" did you not get?

why would they place it there if their intentions weren't that you killed some civvies?

Grafferu
10-26-2010, 01:10 PM
Originally posted by Vx_McTavish_xV:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Colossus_1191:
What part of "I don't like to deviate from the intentions of the game" did you not get?

why would they place it there if their intentions weren't that you killed some civvies? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

To make the game realistic ? duuuh *facepalm* http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/compsmash.gif can you imagine whole cities with no citizens on the streets ?

SWJS
10-26-2010, 01:43 PM
To make the game realistic ? duuuh *facepalm* Smash can you imagine whole cities with no citizens on the streets ?
He means why would they give you the option to kill civilians at the end of the game if they didn't intend you to actually kill them?

It's a fun little thing they threw in as a reward for completing the game. It's sole purpose is there for nothing other than mindless fun. You don't HAVE to use it, but it's there for those who would.

Grafferu
10-28-2010, 04:27 PM
Originally posted by EzioTheAssassin:
He means why would they give you the option to kill civilians at the end of the game if they didn't intend you to actually kill them?
They intend you to collect all the feathers too, but that doesn't mean I did it.


Originally posted by EzioTheAssassin:
It's a fun little thing they threw in as a reward for completing the game. It's sole purpose is there for nothing other than mindless fun. You don't HAVE to use it, but it's there for those who would.
Killing innocents is a "fun reward" ? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif

itsamea-mario
10-28-2010, 04:37 PM
he's talking about AC1.
and i suppose if you really wanted to you could imitate a sort of assassination, using a civilian as a target, and thats hard if you can't kill civilians.

SWJS
10-28-2010, 04:38 PM
Killing innocents is a "fun reward" ? Indifferent
To some people, yes. There are people out there who like to stab random people. It's a game. There's nothing wrong with doing it. If it's possible to do it, then they can do it. You don't have to, but if others want to, they have the right to.

The Creed in Assassin's Creed is also not the tenants, but the meaning. "Nothing is true, Everything is permitted." The tenants were a code, a tradition set in place by an evil old man who was only using the assassin cause to further his own goals. Altair only ever enforced the actual creed. Not the tenants.

DarkicoN14
10-28-2010, 05:46 PM
If renovating rome gets rid of annoying beggers, then by god i'll do it and like it.

also Nothing is True Everything is Permitted

Nuff saif

godsmack_darius
10-28-2010, 06:26 PM
Originally posted by Evan52395:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by jbahr11:
A true assassin stays his blade from the flesh of the innocent. Killing civilians breaks the 1st tenant of the Creed
Don't even bother. Al Mualim recited those words. They're dead to me. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Its the word of the assassins and whoever used them before (a hint to read the codex pages http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

There not the word of Al Mualim, he was just a crazy old man with the POE that you could kill in one hit at the end of the game. pretty funny at first since I was ready for this epic battle then boom, he attacks, and I ironically used the rapeing hidden blade where he stabs him and punches him several times

DeafAtheist
10-29-2010, 03:59 PM
I never intentionally killed any innocents myself when playing AC. However I DID find some sadistic pleasure in poisoning guards and then throwing money at their feet so while they flailed around violently they'd kill citizens themselves who went for the money.

NuclearFuss
10-29-2010, 04:51 PM
Originally posted by Grafferu:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by sackboy411:
Why the hell do musicians know you're an Assassin, but guards don't? The guys swinging the swords are less intelligent than the guys running around with guitar-ish things.

And if musicians know you're an Assassin... WHY ANNOY ME?
Why would you assume the musicians KNOW you're an assassin ? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif THEY DON'T ! They just spot your fancy clothes and expensive armor, so they assume you're a wealthy man, and that's why they sing for you. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Actually listen to what they sing and they do know. They sing stuff about 'stalking from the shadows' and being a hero. You don't sing that to a random noble.

SWJS
10-29-2010, 05:55 PM
Actually listen to what they sing and they do know. They sing stuff about 'stalking from the shadows' and being a hero. You don't sing that to a random noble.
"Somewhere on a rooftop, there's a hero in a hood...blah blah...For his cause is good!"

Grafferu
10-30-2010, 07:34 PM
Like godsmack_darius said, al Mualim didn't wrote the code, it existed before him. It was the word of the assassins.

SWJS
10-30-2010, 08:59 PM
It was the word of the assassins.
"Nothing is True, Everything is Permitted" are the words of the assassins. The tenants aren't.

Let's not forget Ezio isn't even an official member of the order until the end of AC2. And even then, they never ever enforce the tenants of the creed. Ezio just chooses not to kill innocent civilians because of his personal morals.

Grafferu
11-01-2010, 04:21 PM
Exactly, and when I play Ezio I like to put myself "in his shoes" so to speak. That's why I don't kill innocents.
It makes no sens to me killing the very same people I'm trying to save.
It's ******ed.

ninjasownu
11-01-2010, 04:33 PM
Originally posted by Grafferu:
Exactly, and when I play Ezio I like to put myself "in his hoes" so to speak. That's why I don't kill innocents.
It makes no sens to me killing the very same people I'm trying to save.
It's ******ed.
lol in his hoes. One letter missing changes the whole saying lol.

SWJS
11-02-2010, 12:25 AM
It doesn't make any sense to me, killing the very same people I'm trying to save.
Then don't. YOU don't have to, but other people can if they want. Other people have opinions and wants too. They should be respected.

PhiIs1618033
11-02-2010, 01:49 AM
The creed consists of two parts. First, the tenets:
"Stay your blade from the flesh of an innocent."
"Hide in plain sight."
"Never compromise the brotherhood."
Second, the saying:
"Nothing is true, everything is permitted."


Killing innocents would be a direct violation of the first tenet and as such, I think it ******ed to kill innocents in an Assassins Creed game. It just doesn't fit in and is certainly not justified.

glenneey
11-02-2010, 01:15 PM
with the free killing they would attract alot of GTA players http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/34.gif

SWJS
11-02-2010, 05:56 PM
Originally posted by PhiIs1618033...:
The creed consists of two parts. First, the tenets:
"Stay your blade from the flesh of an innocent."
"Hide in plain sight."
"Never compromise the brotherhood."
Second, the saying:
"Nothing is true, everything is permitted."


Killing innocents would be a direct violation of the first tenet and as such, I think it ******ed to kill innocents in an Assassins Creed game. It just doesn't fit in and is certainly not justified. The saying came first, then the tenants. The tenants were optional.

Just as well, it is a game. They gave us the ability to kill civilians as a means of keeping the gameplay enjoyable. Civilians aren't always innocent either. They commit sins and such to, so how are you to know whether or not they're innocent?

The creed and the tenants are both elements of the story of the series, but should have no effect on gameplay, because gameplay is the single most important thing in a video game. It's what separates games from movies. The game should be fun, and there are many means of making it fun.

This is why gameplay and story are segregated for the sake of enjoyment. If all Niko Bellic ever did was just drive around, walk, eat, and go bowling, then the game wouldn't be any fun. The player has the option to do whatever he/she wants, hence the name 'sandbox game'. Sandbox games give you the ability to do as you please in a simulated environment or situation.

AC is a sandbox series, and as such, there shouldn't be pointless limitations as to what the player can do, because it takes away from the concept of sandbox gaming and the ability to have fun and be free to choose what you do.

Therefore, if a player wants to have the option to kill a civilian, they should have the right to do so.

Part of the game's story shouldn't matter in terms of sandbox gameplay, especially something as trivial as a tenant that only appeared as part of the creed in the first game.

The creed is and always was "Nothing is True, Everything is Permitted." The tenants were option.

Period.

Grafferu
11-03-2010, 05:51 AM
Originally posted by EzioTheAssassin:
The saying came first, then the tenants. The tenants were optional.

Who said so ?

PhiIs1618033
11-03-2010, 06:51 AM
Originally posted by EzioTheAssassin:
The saying came first, then the tenants. The tenants were optional.

Just as well, it is a game. They gave us the ability to kill civilians as a means of keeping the gameplay enjoyable. Civilians aren't always innocent either. They commit sins and such to, so how are you to know whether or not they're innocent?

The creed and the tenants are both elements of the story of the series, but should have no effect on gameplay, because gameplay is the single most important thing in a video game. It's what separates games from movies. The game should be fun, and there are many means of making it fun.

This is why gameplay and story are segregated for the sake of enjoyment. If all Niko Bellic ever did was just drive around, walk, eat, and go bowling, then the game wouldn't be any fun. The player has the option to do whatever he/she wants, hence the name 'sandbox game'. Sandbox games give you the ability to do as you please in a simulated environment or situation.

AC is a sandbox series, and as such, there shouldn't be pointless limitations as to what the player can do, because it takes away from the concept of sandbox gaming and the ability to have fun and be free to choose what you do.

Therefore, if a player wants to have the option to kill a civilian, they should have the right to do so.

Part of the game's story shouldn't matter in terms of sandbox gameplay, especially something as trivial as a tenant that only appeared as part of the creed in the first game.

The creed is and always was "Nothing is True, Everything is Permitted." The tenants were option.

Period.
The tenets are vital for the order to stay alive. What makes you think they are optional?

Also, you wouldn't give players the option to kill Mario in AC2 if they wanted to. Not killing innocents is a vital part of the gameplay of Assassin's Creed. If you can kill civilians without penalty, you take away one of the core mechanics of the game, and that is effectively to ruin the game.
I also disagree on your standpoint concerning gameplay and story. For me, a game is only enjoyable if the gameplay and the story are integrated. I'd like to fly in my Assassin's Creed game, so make it happen, because it's fun. Oh, while you're at it, I also think it would be nice to be able to walk through walls and to have permanent invisibility and all that. Thanks!

ultrax21
11-03-2010, 07:10 AM
Originally posted by Evan52395:
Will we be able to (at the end of the game)(like in Assassin's Creed 1) be able to go on a civilian killing spree without desynch? Because I was disappointed in AC2. If it hasn't been said, then what do you guys think?

we can't kill civilians Gabe said on twitter

SWJS
11-03-2010, 03:50 PM
What makes you think they are optional?
The fact that they only show up in AC1, and no other AC game.
Also, you wouldn't give players the option to kill Mario in AC2 if they wanted to. Not killing innocents is a vital part of the gameplay of Assassin's Creed. If you can kill civilians without penalty, you take away one of the core mechanics of the game, and that is effectively to ruin the game. How on Earth does Mario factor into any of this, and how is not killing civilians without penalty a core mechanic of the game?

The core mechanic of the game is the assassination mechanic, which is why it's called Assassins Creed. The ability to kill civilians is optional, a gameplay mechanic implemented to appeal to other types of players.

You don't have to do it, but the mechanic should exist for those who would choose to use it.
I also disagree on your standpoint concerning gameplay and story. For me, a game is only enjoyable if the gameplay and the story are integrated. I'd like to fly in my Assassin's Creed game, so make it happen, because it's fun. Oh, while you're at it, I also think it would be nice to be able to walk through walls and to have permanent invisibility and all that. Thanks! While all gameplay and story must be integrated to some extent, sandbox games, such as Assassin's Creed are called sandbox games for one reason: While mission gameplay is story-specific, free-roam is a mode that allows the player to explore the game world and to do as he/she pleases.

One person may enjoy stabbing everything that moves, while another might enjoy stealth and running on the rooftops.

Sandbox gameplay offers the player the choice to do it their way. Every gamer has a way of playing, and sandbox games offer more than one way to play, even AC.

If you deny the player the right to play their way, the game no longer becomes a sandbox game, and becomes less appealing.

Players should have the choice. There is no right or wrong way for playing AC, or any sandbox game for that matter, and the way the player chooses to play shouldn't be limited by linearity and thinly-veiled morality systems disguised by justifying story mechanics.

You can't choose how other people play, or force them to play your way. The gaming industry isn't run by communists.

DeafAtheist
11-03-2010, 04:12 PM
Originally posted by EzioTheAssassin:
how is not killing civilians without penalty a core mechanic of the game?

It's a core mechanic because you are playing as Desmond who is reanimating the memories of an ancestor (Altair, Ezio) thru the Animums. You are supposed to be viewing their memories as if you were them... doing what they would do and neither Altair or Ezio killed innocents which is why desychnronization happens when too many are killed. The premise of the game isn't that you playing as Desmond can do whatever the hell you please, but that you as Desmond are experiencing the memories of ancestors the way they happened.


You can't choose how other people play, or force them to play your way. The gaming industry isn't run by communists.

No one is trying to choose how you play. The point is that is how Ubisoft chose to do it and Ubisoft isn't likely to make killing innocents part of the gameplay. If you want to kill innocents there are other ways to do it, like poisoning guards and throwing Florins at their feet causing the poisoned guards to kill the innocents going for the money.

SWJS
11-03-2010, 04:35 PM
It's a core mechanic because you are playing as Desmond who is reanimating the memories of an ancestor (Altair, Ezio) through the Animus. You are supposed to be viewing their memories as if you were them... doing what they would do and neither Altair or Ezio killed innocents which is why desychnronization happens when too many are killed. The premise of the game isn't that you playing as Desmond can do whatever the hell you please, but that you as Desmond are experiencing the memories of ancestors the way they happened.
This is what I was waiting for. Thank you for providing an actual, level-headed, and respectful explanation for why you believe killing civilians shouldn't be implemented in the AC series, instead of using the actual creed to justify it and making it sound like you were following some sort of pseudo-religious game cult.

I appreciate your contribution to this debate.

Kakashi590
11-04-2010, 03:00 AM
Originally posted by DeafAtheist:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by EzioTheAssassin:
how is not killing civilians without penalty a core mechanic of the game?

It's a core mechanic because you are playing as Desmond who is reanimating the memories of an ancestor (Altair, Ezio) thru the Animums. You are supposed to be viewing their memories as if you were them... doing what they would do and neither Altair or Ezio killed innocents which is why desychnronization happens when too many are killed. The premise of the game isn't that you playing as Desmond can do whatever the hell you please, but that you as Desmond are experiencing the memories of ancestors the way they happened.


You can't choose how other people play, or force them to play your way. The gaming industry isn't run by communists.

No one is trying to choose how you play. The point is that is how Ubisoft chose to do it and Ubisoft isn't likely to make killing innocents part of the gameplay. If you want to kill innocents there are other ways to do it, like poisoning guards and throwing Florins at their feet causing the poisoned guards to kill the innocents going for the money. </div></BLOCKQUOTE> if this was wholly true the we would have to walk/run/climb/jump the same exact way ezio does and that would have disastrous results. it would kill the sandbox part of the game. plus desmond is experiencing the important memories of ezios life. just think of killing civilians or anything else outside of the story/side missions an an intermission period.

DeafAtheist
11-04-2010, 03:24 AM
Originally posted by Kakashi590:
if this was wholly true the we would have to walk/run/climb/jump the same exact way ezio does and that would have disastrous results. it would kill the sandbox part of the game. plus desmond is experiencing the important memories of ezios life. just think of killing civilians or anything else outside of the story/side missions an an intermission period.

Of course Desmond has some leeway because he's not actually living in Ezio's (or Altair's) memories... he's actually able to control them to a point, but even tho he can control the ancestor's memories, he is still bound by restrictions of the Animus... like being unable to access areas that the Ancestor hasn't accessed yet. For example towards the end of AC2 you reach a point where you must have all 30 Codex pages in order to progress. Desmond is unable to enter the room containing the Codex pages on the wall unless he is able to find whatever pages he is still missing first because Ezio had all of the pages when he experienced that memory.

The same idea goes for killing innocents. Neither Ezio or Altair ran around killing indiscriminately. Their killing was of specific targets with a purpose or of guards that stood between them and their targets. So the Animus is unable to compute when Desmond kills too many of them because it's unrecognizable as a memory and therefore causes a desynchronization.

An intermission period like you suggest does not work because the Animus can't compute far outside the scope of the ancestor's memories. Desmond's freedom within the Animus is limited.

Kakashi590
11-04-2010, 03:45 AM
Originally posted by DeafAtheist:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Kakashi590:
if this was wholly true the we would have to walk/run/climb/jump the same exact way ezio does and that would have disastrous results. it would kill the sandbox part of the game. plus desmond is experiencing the important memories of ezios life. just think of killing civilians or anything else outside of the story/side missions an an intermission period.

Of course Desmond has some leeway because he's not actually living in Ezio's (or Altair's) memories... he's actually able to control them to a point, but even tho he can control the ancestor's memories, he is still bound by restrictions of the Animus... like being unable to access areas that the Ancestor hasn't accessed yet. For example towards the end of AC2 you reach a point where you must have all 30 Codex pages in order to progress. Desmond is unable to enter the room containing the Codex pages on the wall unless he is able to find whatever pages he is still missing first because Ezio had all of the pages when he experienced that memory.

The same idea goes for killing innocents. Neither Ezio or Altair ran around killing indiscriminately. Their killing was of specific targets with a purpose or of guards that stood between them and their targets. So the Animus is unable to compute when Desmond kills too many of them because it's unrecognizable as a memory and therefore causes a desynchronization.

An intermission period like you suggest does not work because the Animus can't compute far outside the scope of the ancestor's memories. Desmond's freedom within the Animus is limited. </div></BLOCKQUOTE> really all i am saying is that when you are not doing missions/sidemissions you are just cut from the story...the game still has to be game. atleast to some extent lol. i know what your getting at but if the animus restrictions actually had a full effect then there would not be free roam in the game there destroying therefore base of the game. my intermission quote was more like if your not in any missions /sidemiss then animus restrictions dont apply like they just give you direct control of ezio rather than you controlling desmond and him controlling ezio. hope that makes sense.

DeafAtheist
11-04-2010, 04:22 AM
Originally posted by Kakashi590:
really all i am saying is that when you are not doing missions/sidemissions you are just cut from the story...the game still has to be game. atleast to some extent lol. i know what your getting at but if the animus restrictions actually had a full effect then there would not be free roam in the game there destroying therefore base of the game. my intermission quote was more like if your not in any missions /sidemiss then animus restrictions dont apply like they just give you direct control of ezio rather than you controlling desmond and him controlling ezio. hope that makes sense.

Whether you are in a mission or not it doesn't matter. You're able to roam freely simply because the ancestor is familiar with the area you are roaming in, but you are still bound by the restrictions of the Animus regardless of whether you're in a specific mission or not. So there are things you are unable to do even free roaming outside of missions, like accessing areas the ancestor hasn't encountered yet and killing civilians. Major actions like that are beyond the scope of the Animus' abilities because they are outside the scope of the ancestor's memories. In free roam outside of missions you as the player don't have direct control of Ezio... well you do simply for the fact that it's a video game, but regardless of whether you're in a mission or not you are still supposed to be playing as Desmond who is accessing the memories of an ancestor and you're bound by the restrictions of the Animus' abilities to read those memories.

I get what you are getting at too, but I simply disagree with you. I like the fact that Ubisoft is a stickler for the canon of their game and doesn't incorporate things into the game that don't fit the canon even if some gamers would enjoy it. Assassin's Creed is one of the few Ubisoft titles that are unmolested and I like it that way. Some of their other titles... Most recently Splinter Cell Conviction went way off the map. The core mechanics of Conviction was changed from earlier titles turning the protagonist from an operative that attempted to avoid detection or engagements to one that killed everything with a pulse. And while the game was still fun, it was a disappointing turn for the franchise. It's not something I am eager to see happen to Assassin's Creed.

Kakashi590
11-04-2010, 05:08 AM
Originally posted by DeafAtheist:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Kakashi590:
really all i am saying is that when you are not doing missions/sidemissions you are just cut from the story...the game still has to be game. atleast to some extent lol. i know what your getting at but if the animus restrictions actually had a full effect then there would not be free roam in the game there destroying therefore base of the game. my intermission quote was more like if your not in any missions /sidemiss then animus restrictions dont apply like they just give you direct control of ezio rather than you controlling desmond and him controlling ezio. hope that makes sense.

Whether you are in a mission or not it doesn't matter. You're able to roam freely simply because the ancestor is familiar with the area you are roaming in, but you are still bound by the restrictions of the Animus regardless of whether you're in a specific mission or not. So there are things you are unable to do even free roaming outside of missions, like accessing areas the ancestor hasn't encountered yet and killing civilians. Major actions like that are beyond the scope of the Animus' abilities because they are outside the scope of the ancestor's memories. In free roam outside of missions you as the player don't have direct control of Ezio... well you do simply for the fact that it's a video game, but regardless of whether you're in a mission or not you are still supposed to be playing as Desmond who is accessing the memories of an ancestor and you're bound by the restrictions of the Animus' abilities to read those memories.

I get what you are getting at too, but I simply disagree with you. I like the fact that Ubisoft is a stickler for the canon of their game and doesn't incorporate things into the game that don't fit the canon even if some gamers would enjoy it. Assassin's Creed is one of the few Ubisoft titles that are unmolested and I like it that way. Some of their other titles... Most recently Splinter Cell Conviction went way off the map. The core mechanics of Conviction was changed from earlier titles turning the protagonist from an operative that attempted to avoid detection or engagements to one that killed everything with a pulse. And while the game was still fun, it was a disappointing turn for the franchise. It's not something I am eager to see happen to Assassin's Creed. </div></BLOCKQUOTE> you just pwned me lol

PhiIs1618033
11-04-2010, 06:12 AM
Originally posted by EzioTheAssassin:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">What makes you think they are optional?
The fact that they only show up in AC1, and no other AC game.
</div></BLOCKQUOTE>
I wrote a rant about how they weren't optional, but that's beside the real point of the discussion.
Not killing innocents showed up in all games and it was stressed a lot. Is that optional, then? (I do understand that if A then B, so if not A then not B is a logical fallacy, but it's more likely than unlikely)


<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Also, you wouldn't give players the option to kill Mario in AC2 if they wanted to. Not killing innocents is a vital part of the gameplay of Assassin's Creed. If you can kill civilians without penalty, you take away one of the core mechanics of the game, and that is effectively to ruin the game. How on Earth does Mario factor into any of this, and how is not killing civilians without penalty a core mechanic of the game? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
I used Mario as an example to introduce you to the way I felt about killing innocents, like telling a story about throwing coloured balls when explaining light.


The core mechanic of the game is the assassination mechanic, which is why it's called Assassins Creed. The ability to kill civilians is optional, a gameplay mechanic implemented to appeal to other types of players.
This point was countered by DeafAtheist. I won't repeat his words.



You don't have to do it, but the mechanic should exist for those who would choose to use it. <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">I also disagree on your standpoint concerning gameplay and story. For me, a game is only enjoyable if the gameplay and the story are integrated. I'd like to fly in my Assassin's Creed game, so make it happen, because it's fun. Oh, while you're at it, I also think it would be nice to be able to walk through walls and to have permanent invisibility and all that. Thanks! While all gameplay and story must be integrated to some extent, sandbox games, such as Assassin's Creed are called sandbox games for one reason: While mission gameplay is story-specific, free-roam is a mode that allows the player to explore the game world and to do as he/she pleases. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
I disagree on your stance on sandbox games. In my eyes, a sandbox game gives you the opportunity to get to your goal as you please, instead of forcing you along a path, like Splinter Cell Conviction does. In a sandbox game, mission gameplay is also free. You can kill your target from above, just run in and fight them all off or whatever.



One person may enjoy stabbing everything that moves, while another might enjoy stealth and running on the rooftops.

Some people enjoy flying and teleportating too.



Sandbox gameplay offers the player the choice to do it their way. Every gamer has a way of playing, and sandbox games offer more than one way to play, even AC.

If you deny the player the right to play their way, the game no longer becomes a sandbox game, and becomes less appealing.

Players should have the choice. There is no right or wrong way for playing AC, or any sandbox game for that matter, and the way the player chooses to play shouldn't be limited by linearity and thinly-veiled morality systems disguised by justifying story mechanics.
If anything, I'm not trying to be moral here.
And I do think there's a wrong way to play AC. That way is abandoning the game's core mechanics and the restrictions these mechanics give them.



You can't choose how other people play, or force them to play your way. The gaming industry isn't run by communists.
You're saying that communism is about taking free will from the people. It's not. The core idea of communism is a society where all goods are collective and everybody produces as much as they can and takes what they need.



This is what I was waiting for. Thank you for providing an actual, level-headed, and respectful explanation for why you believe killing civilians shouldn't be implemented in the AC series, instead of using the actual creed to justify it and making it sound like you were following some sort of pseudo-religious game cult.
Thanks. >.< I did my best to make a proper point on why I think it shouldn't be implemented in the game and I stayed respectful. What has my ability to judge situations to do with this? Don't do it again, please.

SWJS
11-05-2010, 11:09 AM
Thanks. >.< I did my best to make a proper point on why I think it shouldn't be implemented in the game and I stayed respectful. What has my ability to judge situations to do with this? Don't do it again, please.
Oddly this part of the post feels like I'm being scolded by my mother.

But, on topic, I'm sorry, but your post was a little late. DeafAtheist's post came first, and while your current post is very good and does manage to counteract my post, the fact remains that before, you used the actual creed as leeway to justify not killing civilians, just like every other person in the thread. No offense to anyone, but to me, "It's stupid, the creed says you shouldn't." sounded a lot like the majority of the people posting were overzealous fanboys sounding like they were following the actual creed like some sort of pseudo-religious cult.

That's the only real reason I even entered the debate, well, that and the fact a nice debate is a good way to pass the time until ACB comes out. I'm sorry if I came off as insulting, or cynical, or any other manner of hostility.

I realize you have your own beliefs about the meaning of Sandbox gaming, and I respect that, but I also have my own opinions, and I'm just a gamer who likes to do anything and everything.

While I am against the limitations of the AC series, I still love the unique gameplay and the engaging, intertwined stories, and for me, this is enough to overlook minor sandbox limitations. I'm fairly sure this is something the majority of us can agree on.

Now perhaps instead of having our blades to each others' throats and our feet in our mouths, we should unite as brothers, and enjoy what we always have enjoyed?

Grafferu
11-08-2010, 02:44 PM
Originally posted by EzioTheAssassin:
No offense to anyone, but to me, "It's stupid, the creed says you shouldn't." sounded a lot like the majority of the people posting were overzealous fanboys sounding like they were following the actual creed like some sort of pseudo-religious cult.
So what's wrong with following the creed WHEN playing AC ? Is it wrong to get into the mind-state of an assassin WHEN playing AC ? I was under the impression that that's the exact purpose of the game http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif
I don't understand why are you trying to undermine the importance of the creed, after all the game's name is Assassins CREED and not Assassins Killing Spree.

Tuck2103
11-08-2010, 03:00 PM
-Killing civilians will cancel your contract-

Just don't do it http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

SWJS
11-09-2010, 01:55 AM
I don't understand why are you trying to undermine the importance of the creed, after all the game's name is Assassins CREED
I'm not trying to undermine anything. I've never gotten so immersed in a game that I'd begin living by it's rules it, whether actually playing it or not. The exact purpose of a game in general is for one's entertainment. Games are meant to be played for enjoyment. Assassin's Creed is called Assassin's Creed because 1) It's story revolves around the assassins and their creed and 2) because it involves assassination as a major gameplay mechanic.

It's a game. One of many games that I enjoy. I'm sure if I became immersed to that degree in all of them, I'd be experiencing a real Bleeding Effect.

Don't get me wrong, I've nothing against it, but to me, taking a game that seriously is just ludicrous, and I can't understand why a simple gameplay mechanic is such a huge deal.

Assassin-2012
11-09-2010, 03:00 PM
Originally posted by Evan52395:
Will we be able to (at the end of the game)(like in Assassin's Creed 1) be able to go on a civilian killing spree without desynch? Because I was disappointed in AC2. If it hasn't been said, then what do you guys think?

I do hope we will http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/metal.gif

Grafferu
11-09-2010, 03:13 PM
Originally posted by EzioTheAssassin:
I've never gotten so immersed in a game that I'd begin living by it's rules it
I never said I'm living by the creed, jesus http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif I repeat : I follow the creed only when I'm playing AC, that's it, it seems stupid to me not to do it.

SWJS
11-09-2010, 03:34 PM
I follow the creed only when I'm playing AC, that's it, it seems stupid to me not to do it.
That's what I meant actually. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif I guess I over exaggerated. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/shady.gif

lilbacchant
11-09-2010, 09:38 PM
Originally posted by EzioTheAssassin:
It's a game. One of many games that I enjoy. I'm sure if I became immersed to that degree in all of them, I'd be experiencing a real Bleeding Effect.


Hemorrhoids?

lilbacchant
11-09-2010, 09:41 PM
Originally posted by Grafferu:
I never said I'm living by the creed, jesus http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif I repeat : I follow the creed only when I'm playing AC, that's it, it seems stupid to me not to do it.

I'm confused (a frequent occurence). Soooo, you're saying that in RL you do spill the blood of innocents, but not in AC?

Grafferu
11-10-2010, 01:10 PM
Originally posted by EzioTheAssassin:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">I follow the creed only when I'm playing AC, that's it, it seems stupid to me not to do it.
That's what I meant actually. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif I guess I over exaggerated. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/shady.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Now I'm confused, you agree on following the creed in the game ? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif


Originally posted by lilbacchant:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Grafferu:
I never said I'm living by the creed, jesus http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif I repeat : I follow the creed only when I'm playing AC, that's it, it seems stupid to me not to do it.

I'm confused (a frequent occurence). Soooo, you're saying that in RL you do spill the blood of innocents, but not in AC? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Of course http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/icon_twisted.gif a man gotta have his standards http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/59.gif

SWJS
11-10-2010, 02:21 PM
Now I'm confused, you agree on following the creed in the game ? Blink
Oh no. I meant I was referring to you following the creed in game, not IRL.

Perhaps I should be more clear...


Originally posted by lilbacchant:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by EzioTheAssassin:
It's a game. One of many games that I enjoy. I'm sure if I became immersed to that degree in all of them, I'd be experiencing a real Bleeding Effect.


Hemorrhoids? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>Something like that. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

Nephetslol
11-10-2010, 11:59 PM
This is a game. Killing inocents is fun ( go ask bowerstone) If they can put in more fun do it. I don't want my fun to be limited all for some stupid in game creed that doesn't exist...

gamertam
11-11-2010, 12:15 AM
Murdering innocents bystanders deliberateley, purposely getting out your way to do so is not fun. It's sick,demented and clearly AC is not the kind of game your looking for. However, i can understand someone mistakenly blade a civilian.

Azugo
11-11-2010, 12:17 AM
Originally posted by gamertam:
Murdering innocents bystanders deliberateley, purposely getting out your way to do so is not fun. It's sick,demented and clearly AC is not the kind of game your looking for. However, i can understand someone mistakenly blade a civilian.

It's a game. It doesn't matter.

Nephetslol
11-11-2010, 12:40 AM
Originally posted by gamertam:
Murdering innocents bystanders deliberateley, purposely getting out your way to do so is not fun. It's sick,demented and clearly AC is not the kind of game your looking for. However, i can understand someone mistakenly blade a civilian.

Go outside more... I didn't know killing pixels was so horrible my god i am such a horrible person.. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/shady.gif

SWJS
11-11-2010, 02:38 AM
This is a game. Killing inocents is fun ( go ask bowerstone) If they can put in more fun do it. I don't want my fun to be limited all for some stupid in game creed that doesn't exist...

Go outside more... I didn't know killing pixels was so horrible my god i am such a horrible person.. Shady

It's a game. It doesn't matter.
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/agreepost.gif

My thoughts exactly.

persiateddy95
11-11-2010, 03:29 AM
I remember in Bloodlines the other day I grabbed a civilian and threw him against the wall, and then I killed him when he was on the ground http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

It's fun, just like running after them while they "Leave me be!" http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/59.gif

Grafferu
11-11-2010, 03:56 PM
@ Nephetslol
If you look at it like that, then the whole game doesn't exist, the assassins don't exist, the templars don't exist, etc.

gamertam
11-11-2010, 07:35 PM
Obviously i can't dictate your gaming experience. But, why would you or anyone limits yourself/themselves the awesomeness Brotherhood has to offer. It certainly is your propagative as you see fit. For me and others who appreciates what the development team worked tiresome bring to us gamers something outstanding of a game. It the least we can do in return is be thankful and justifiably applaud for their work.

Nephetslol
11-12-2010, 10:45 AM
Originally posted by gamertam:
Obviously i can't dictate your gaming experience. But, why would you or anyone limits yourself/themselves the awesomeness Brotherhood has to offer. It certainly is your propagative as you see fit. For me and others who appreciates what the development team worked tiresome bring to us gamers something outstanding of a game. It the least we can do in return is be thankful and justifiably applaud for their work.

what.... I'm buying the game thats enough how I play it doesn't affect anything...

Nephetslol
11-12-2010, 10:46 AM
Originally posted by Grafferu:
@ Nephetslol
If you look at it like that, then the whole game doesn't exist, the assassins don't exist, the templars don't exist, etc.

WHAT! The game exists wether the creed is followed or not holy crap you people need to get off ur asses and go outside jesus.

salted onions
11-12-2010, 11:04 AM
Random question, what joy is there in killing a random civilian anyway? I can understand those damn minstrels, but what about everyone else?

Anyway.

In my opinion, you should be allowed to do so, but there should be a penalty, like you lose two or three points of health. Not like you're not allowed to do it. They're just saying it's looked down upon. It still abides to the rule that the animus is trying to synchronize you with the ancestor, since your ancestor didn't kill people, you become less synchronized when you do so. But it shouldn't be as strict as three strikes and you're out.

Nephetslol
11-12-2010, 11:06 AM
Originally posted by childprodigy:
Random question, what joy is there in killing a random civilian anyway? I can understand those damn minstrels, but what about everyone else?

Anyway.

In my opinion, you should be allowed to do so, but there should be a penalty, like you lose two or three points of health. Not like you're not allowed to do it. They're just saying it's looked down upon. It still abides to the rule that the animus is trying to synchronize you with the ancestor, since your ancestor didn't kill people, you become less synchronized when you do so. But it shouldn't be as strict as three strikes and you're out.

It is fun to kill helpless citizens because there so helpless.

And were saying you should be able to go on a murdering spree after you beat the game like AC1.

persiateddy95
11-12-2010, 01:10 PM
I bought the game, I paid for it, I should be allowed to do whatever I want in it, period.

Grafferu
11-12-2010, 03:22 PM
Originally posted by Nephetslol:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Grafferu:
@ Nephetslol
If you look at it like that, then the whole game doesn't exist, the assassins don't exist, the templars don't exist, etc.

WHAT! The game exists wether the creed is followed or not holy crap you people need to get off ur asses and go outside jesus. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
What's with the "go outside" phrase ? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif you say that in every post http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif
Anyways, what I'm trying to say is that the whole game is fictional, not just the creed.

Sanguion
11-14-2010, 02:45 AM
The killing of innocence should be met with more lenient "punishment" than Assassin's Creed 2 had, though personally, two kills and a little waiting period is fine with me. Those of you who would rather not kill innocent people can still choose not to, and those of us who enjoy killing the weak will have our fun.

Just because you cannot understand why we derive pleasure from killing random civilians on the street does not mean that we should not be allowed to. Say it's sick. Say it's twisted. It is how we choose to play the game, and is none of your business. The fact that the Animus has limited processing ability outside of the memories of an ancestor is a decent point, but one that is very flexible. Who's to say assassins never had reason to kill innocent people? Sometimes innocence is sacrificed for the greater good.

This is a game, developed first and foremost to be enjoyed. Why limit the joy that an audience experiences due to petty moral dilemma?

Lastly, I noticed replies similar to "Some people enjoy flying, why not put that in the game?" Why not? Why should flying not be allowed as an unlockable, optional ability? You don't want to use it? Don't.
You don't want to kill civilians? Don't; but do not force the rest of us to follow the same path.

EXCERPT FOR THE TL-DR CROWD:

Just because you cannot understand why we derive pleasure from killing random civilians on the street does not mean that we should not be allowed to. Say it's sick. Say it's twisted. It is how we choose to play the game, and is none of your business.

xsatanicjokerx
11-14-2010, 02:54 AM
Who's to say assassins never had reason to kill innocent people? Sometimes innocence is sacrificed for the greater good. First law of the creed "must not shed the blood of the innocent" have you not played ac1?

persiateddy95
11-14-2010, 03:50 AM
Originally posted by xsatanicjokerx:
First law of the creed "must not shed the blood of the innocent" have you not played ac1?
How are you so sure they're innocent? Maybe they stole someone's wallet!

Sanguion
11-14-2010, 11:14 AM
Originally posted by xsatanicjokerx:
First law of the creed "must not shed the blood of the innocent" have you not played ac1?

No, that is the first "Tenant", and it is "Stay your blade from the flesh of an innocent." Also, being a tenant does not mean assassins don't break it. Altair broke all three tenants in the first game, including the killing of innocence. Altair killed an old man. Why can't I?

Grafferu
11-14-2010, 03:08 PM
Originally posted by persiateddy95:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by xsatanicjokerx:
First law of the creed "must not shed the blood of the innocent" have you not played ac1?
How are you so sure they're innocent? Maybe they stole someone's wallet! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Great reply Teddybear http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif

persiateddy95
11-14-2010, 03:49 PM
Yeah, could have gone better http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif

But it was just to give an idea of it.

yavanna_1986
11-14-2010, 03:53 PM
I wish I could go Postal on their behinds.

realgangsta213
11-14-2010, 03:54 PM
I didn't enjoy that feature in ac1 except when i got to stab beggars and crazy psychos. They annoyed me so much...

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Evan52395
11-14-2010, 04:30 PM
Wow, great to see how far along the thread has come. Haven't been here in a while...

Sanguion, I couldn't have said it better myself. Very good points.