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leeG727
07-29-2007, 01:36 PM
I was up in Philadelphia this weekend and stopped by the Wings of Freedom Aviation Museum at the Willow Grove Naval Air Station. Thought some of you might be interested in seeing their fully restored Me 262B-1a.

http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g258/leeG727/WingsOfFreedom/Me262B-1a-1.jpg

http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g258/leeG727/WingsOfFreedom/Me262B-1a-2.jpg

http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g258/leeG727/WingsOfFreedom/Me262B-1a-3.jpg

http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g258/leeG727/WingsOfFreedom/Me262B-1a-4.jpg

leeG727
07-29-2007, 01:36 PM
I was up in Philadelphia this weekend and stopped by the Wings of Freedom Aviation Museum at the Willow Grove Naval Air Station. Thought some of you might be interested in seeing their fully restored Me 262B-1a.

http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g258/leeG727/WingsOfFreedom/Me262B-1a-1.jpg

http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g258/leeG727/WingsOfFreedom/Me262B-1a-2.jpg

http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g258/leeG727/WingsOfFreedom/Me262B-1a-3.jpg

http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g258/leeG727/WingsOfFreedom/Me262B-1a-4.jpg

scaredycat1
07-29-2007, 02:08 PM
Nice pics, Thanx for shareing!
I didnt know they built two seaters.

Waldo.Pepper
07-29-2007, 02:29 PM
Does that plane ever deserve a better display/setting/building where you can walk around it without all the clutter around it.

djetz
07-29-2007, 03:11 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by scaredycat1:
Nice pics, Thanx for sharing!
I didnt know they built two seaters. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

It's a trainer. I believe they built quite a few trainer versions of the 262 marks.

stalkervision
07-29-2007, 03:38 PM
Hay those two seaters were even built as night fighters with the back seater a "R-O" where is the radar antenna? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif


btw WOV/WOE has just such a version with a working radar! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

HuninMunin
07-29-2007, 03:51 PM
This particular one is a trainer.
But the most numerous two seated 262 was the B-1a/U1.
There were quite a few produced - two seated night fighters with a FuG 218 Neptun radar in forward fuselage.
They were used as a testbed and intermidiate auxillary craft until the proposed B-2 version ( full glory nightfighter with enlarged fuselage and several minor adjustments ).
A squadron of the 11th Nachtjagdgeschwader was equiped with those and shot down several Mosquitos early in '45.
A little nitpicking: Only the A-1 variants of the 262 were nicknamed Schwalbe.
From A-2a onwards it was called Sturmvogel
(Stormbird).

stalkervision
07-29-2007, 03:58 PM
The night fighter/ twin seat version in WOV/WOE is a total blast to fly and is very well modeled IMO.. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif

The working radar is the really really cool part.. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

HuninMunin
07-29-2007, 04:17 PM
A working radar in SoW will cause sleepless nights for a lot of users here, I'm shure.

stalkervision
07-29-2007, 04:21 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by HuninMunin:
A working radar in SoW will cause sleepless nights for a lot of users here, I'm shure. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

yup.. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

luftluuver
07-29-2007, 04:24 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by HuninMunin:
This particular one is a trainer.
But the most numerous two seated 262 was the B-1a/U1.
There were quite a few produced - two seated night fighters with a FuG 218 Neptun radar in forward fuselage.
They were used as a testbed and intermidiate auxillary craft until the proposed B-2 version ( full glory nightfighter with enlarged fuselage and several minor adjustments ).
A squadron of the 11th Nachtjagdgeschwader was equiped with those and shot down several Mosquitos early in '45.
A little nitpicking: Only the A-1 variants of the 262 were nicknamed Schwalbe.
From A-2a onwards it was called Sturmvogel
(Stormbird). </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
According to the Classic 262 series of books only about 6 Me262 B-1a/U1s were built and only a few sorties were flown by the 4 delivered to 10./NJG11.

The 262 in the photos is WNr 110639. Watson's Wizards gave it number 555 and named it Willie(original name Vera). On the nose was a cartoon Donald Duck clinging to a tubojet.

Anyone know what the red circle on the engine cowl was for?

HuninMunin
07-29-2007, 04:35 PM
I don't know the exact numbers of B-1\U1s "produced", because all of them were converted trainer versions.
About 21 Me 262B s were build overall ( not counting prototypes ).

NJG 11 claimed about a dozen Mossies in the first 2-4 month of '45 ( writting from memory here ), a large part of those by 262s.
I have read that almost all B-1s were converted and in consequence the dreaded one seater learning lessons for new 262 pilots came to happen.
I think the red circle has something to do with engine replacement work, but I couldn't remember for my life what exactly it was, sorry.

stalkervision
07-29-2007, 04:46 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">I think the red circle has something to do with engine replacement work, but I couldn't remember for my life what exactly it was, sorry. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

shh.. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/10.gif It is to align the removable cowling on the engines again after the jet engines are serviced..

I think.. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

HuninMunin
07-29-2007, 04:52 PM
I don't think anyone would need a red circle to do that http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif
But you never know. Maybe they wanted to make shure. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

The-Pizza-Man
07-29-2007, 05:49 PM
Is that a Shooting Star behind it, can we have pics of that?

leeG727
07-29-2007, 06:38 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by The-Pizza-Man:
Is that a Shooting Star behind it, can we have pics of that? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


The P-80 is even harder to get a good picture of than the 262 in the confined space of museum building! But here are two. This was originally a Navy TV-1 but it is painted in the markings of an Air Force P-80C Shooting Star.

http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g258/leeG727/WingsOfFreedom/TV-1P-80C-1.jpg

http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g258/leeG727/WingsOfFreedom/TV-1P-80C-2.jpg