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tankeriv
05-19-2005, 07:38 AM
Looks really cool to me.

http://www.simhq.com/simhq3/sims/boards/bbs/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=127;t=002684

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tankeriv
05-19-2005, 07:38 AM
Looks really cool to me.

http://www.simhq.com/simhq3/sims/boards/bbs/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=127;t=002684

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Atomic_Marten
05-19-2005, 07:51 AM
Yeah sounds good. Plusvawe Expansions. (http://www.pluswave.de/html/pwx_english.html)

Seems to me there's 3 new expansions total. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif
Rebirth of Honor (FB+AEP, 350 missions, 800+ skins, 150+ pilot skins, 60 in game videos -- I believe those are tracks http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif)
Wings over Waves
Wings over Jungles

All 3 are for merged install.

http://www.pluswave.de/assets/images/Title_WOJ03.jpg

hotspace
05-19-2005, 09:32 AM
I love the look of those http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

Hot Space

3.JG51_BigBear
05-19-2005, 11:11 AM
That is one of the wierdest P-40 schemes I've ever seen.

Saunders1953
05-19-2005, 11:14 AM
I want! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif Looks like late summer though before they are available. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

BM357_Hbent
05-19-2005, 11:36 AM
Way too many objects on those airfields. Atmosphere? More like 1 frame per second galore.

Also, no new planes? I think I'll pass.


A for effort.

C for actual outcome on anything but the highest-end systems.

F for asking us to pay for it.

Capt._Tenneal
05-19-2005, 12:00 PM
Looks good. I'm interested in the distribution for the USA. Once it's in place I'll be more secure, since the ROH deal fell apart just weeks before it's supposed US release, my confidence that I'll see this anytime soon is low right now.

tascaso
05-19-2005, 12:01 PM
Yep I am not to keen on these addons. I bought TLD but many there are so many missions and campaigns it will keep you going for ages.

The Pacific stuff....not great...you need the ships and lots of them. The fleets are incomplete and will most likely not be added on from the information available at this point.

The jungle one might be fun!

Then again there are lots of free campaigns I am flying that are really good!

Uber Demon's UQMG is a great tool for creating interesting missions.

To each his own I guess.

Tony Ascaso

tankeriv
05-19-2005, 12:21 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by BM357_Hbent:
Way too many objects on those airfields. Atmosphere? More like 1 frame per second galore.

Also, no new planes? I think I'll pass.


A for effort.

C for actual outcome on anything but the highest-end systems.

F for asking us to pay for it. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I think you forget a couple of points.

Yesterday at SimHQ some also had a very hot
discussion on this.

At first something that is starting to annoy me a bit. People complaining about no new objects.

This NOT possible due to the policy of 1C. If its good or not I leave it in the middle but it simply is not possible.

About the missions.
If you want to create about 900 missions including 1200 skins.

And good missions.
How long would that take?

Lets say it costs you around eight hours to get you a fully realistic and thoroughly tested mission that is also cool and playable.

I know you can have this many objects without having a frame rate killer.

I know also how many objects you need to have an object killer as I have been over enthusiastic on the Berlin map and I needed to redo it for a 100% else it would have been unplayable because the 1st TLD Berlin map gave around 3fps. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif

In total it took more than a year to create TLD and I am still working on it.

I think it will be about the same for this ones.

In case you don't believe me about how many work there has been spend in it I would recommend to download the Rebirth Of Honor Demo at his site.

www.pluswave.de (http://www.pluswave.de)

Anyway just my two cents http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

gombal40
05-19-2005, 01:17 PM
@ BM357_Hbent

I do know how long it takes to make a mission myself. Even a stinker one like the one i make.

So dont you dare give a judgement on this.

First buy or try and then make comment. (Try seems the most sensible)

Or show me what incredible mission/skins you have made so far

I willing to play them and then make a comment. For the time being...
s.u.

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CapBackassward
05-19-2005, 02:55 PM
There is a demo too, here:

http://www.pluswave.de/html/pwx_download.html

rick

jarink
05-19-2005, 08:38 PM
800+ skins???? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

That's an incredible amount of skins, even spread over 250+ aircraft. (I doubt they're spread evenly, either. I'd imagine there's more BF-109 and FW-190 skins than TB-3 skins.) Maybe they have 4-5 common skins with the only difference being a/c code letter or s/n?

BM357_Hbent
05-20-2005, 01:30 AM
Please reread my post.

I quite clearly stated A for effort.

Also, no matter how you look at it, airfields decorated in the same manner as those shown in the screenshots will kill your framerate. There's simply no denying this. Whereas: C for actual outcome.

And then most importantly, the one reason why I won't even consider to shell out money for this, is because this sim is not open for expansions. You simply can't add new objects -- let alone planes. And maybe, just maybe, that isn't such a bad thing.


On a final note: yes indeed, 800+ skins is great. But you know what? Ever since il2skins went down, I haven't actually missed skins all that much. I play online 95% of the time, and seriously, why have skin downloads on?

PlusWave
05-20-2005, 01:39 AM
Hello,

I've built these addons.

HBent, about the number of objects:

The ground objects are definately not the real problem for FPS.
On the normal maps, big cities or large forests are much worse.

Believe it or not, all these missions are well tested. I do that on two computers.
On my best, I play them with 1600x1200 res, water2 and AA2Q AF4x.
It's only when starting the engine that fps goes below 10 for a short moment.
In the air I have more than 20 to 40, depending where I look to.
I made tests where I flew some of the missions without any added objects at all and fps was only 5 - 10% better than with all these objects.

If I'm testing a mission and it'sd too slow, I delete planes first, then other objects like sztatic planes which hit the fps much more than buildings.


Martin
PlusWave.

TooCooL34
05-20-2005, 03:25 AM
Thak you PlusWave.
Direct answer from maker himself is good always.

Anyway, can you make your products sold at Amazon.com?
I can't order your products directly cause I live in Korea (very complicated), but I can easily buy via Amazon, US.

And BM357_Hbent, don't bash something that you don't know or cause you don't want.
We want these kind of add-ons and it's one of the best among them.
Attitude that "This thing is s**t cause I don't have any interest in it." is childish.

S4rus
05-20-2005, 03:45 AM
These "addons" aren't really more that a bunch of missions/campaigns and skins thrown together. Thing is, there are a lot of great free missions, campaign and skins online for the willing, not to mention (free) third party mission/campaign generating software (specifically UQMG and DCG).
I am sure there's a lot of work into these payware addons, they're probably good quality products, but really, some people are offering pretty much the same thing for free, so why pay?

JunkoIfurita
05-20-2005, 04:08 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">In total it took more than a year to create TLD and I am still working on it.

I think it will be about the same for this ones.

In case you don't believe me about how many work there has been spend in it I would recommend to download the Rebirth Of Honor Demo at his site. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

@Tankeriv: I recently picked up a couple of your (X1's) add-ons from Matrix Games and was duly impressed. I grabbed a copy of The Last Days and also the older static-campaign based The Case Blue. I actually prefer static branched campaigns to DGen campaigns, but the missions in The Last Days, while dynamic, are generally quite a bit more interesting than the standard DGen missions. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

I do have a suggestion though - Update the manual for The Last Days. At the moment, it has some duplicate entries from the Case Blue manual that make it appear that the add-on pack has more in it than it actually does.

From the TLD manual, 'Accessing the Missions' section. 'Online Missions from Campaigns: 350 for the German Side, 200 for the Russian side'. Now, I know that there aren't any online/co-op components in TLD except for the 14co-op and 4 dogfight maps. In Case Blue, there ARE 300/250 co-op missions from the campaigns, and the manual also states thus.

I'm guessing that the TLD manual is a duplicate of the Case Blue manual, with changes made when necessary. But I must admit I got excited (and then let down) when I thought I was getting 550 MORE co-op missions in the TLD as well.

You might want to update that to keep people who buy your add-on from getting confused - after all, we all know how much grief Oleg's got from people over the 'promised' flyable Betty.

Myself, I'm not worried - heck, I'm gonna go play some of the 1000 plus co-operative missions that came with Case Blue http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

@PlusWave: Looking good, m8 - I'll have to see about picking up Rebirth of Honour when I have the time.

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PlusWave
05-21-2005, 06:39 AM
Hello,

S4rus:
Which scripteds campaign addons have you ever played?
I think there are differencies to simple collections of missions, as you said.

How a bout a story, like in a book?

Martin
PlusWave

Bearcat99
05-21-2005, 10:00 AM
Think about it.... this sim is so awesome it has spawned a flourishing cottage industry that just uses aspects of the sim that are actually available to all of us. In effect it has spawned it's own 3rd party industry... and the code is still locked. Not to shabby if you ask me. This franchise is becomeing to flight sims what Kleenex is to tissue.

Personally I would rather use the missions I make myself.. ot the ones 99th_RedDiamond (AKA UCLANUPE of Redtailed Angels & Red Sturmovik Rising fame) or 99th_Flby or other community members make.. but some of us dont have the skill or the time to make missions or learn how to fully use the UQMG or the FMB, or skinning for that matter. For those folks these little gems are perfect. I think it is great that more people can work and get paid due to the quality of this product.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by S4rus:
These "addons" aren't really more that a bunch of missions/campaigns and skins thrown together. Thing is, there are a lot of great free missions, campaign and skins online for the willing, not to mention (free) third party mission/campaign generating software (specifically UQMG and DCG).
I am sure there's a lot of work into these payware addons, they're probably good quality products, but really, some people are offering pretty much the same thing for free, so why pay? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

All that is true..... but the beauty of it is.... if you dont want it ..... don't buy it. If the free stuff is your cup of tea then great..... but this is another option for those who are interested. Do I have any? Nope!! Not yet any way.... I will probably check out at least one.... if for no other reason than to support the effort.... I did get BoE.. which was decent. There is a market for this... and as long as the people that buy it feel that thery got thier money's worth and no one's work was used without permission (like another add on a while back that I shall leave nameless but did not purchase for that reason) then I think it is great.

heywooood
05-21-2005, 01:34 PM
Pluswave - I look forward to owning your campaigns...looks like excellent work to me.

bird_brain
05-21-2005, 02:29 PM
I think it is great that some of the people out there making missions can get paid for it. After the amount of time it would take to make 400 missions with stories to go along with them and 600 skins http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif they probably deserve more than what they are asking anyway. How much would the rest of you charge for 500 hours work?